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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Dear Angela, I have no idea why you choose to be on this listserv if you believe the Dutch and British governments are "highly intellectual" and have "have proven themselves over the course of HISTORY to make peaceful sound judgements based on logic." Now my brothers on this listserv have little patience with you, and suggest that no one take your comment seriously. But for some reason you were added to the list, so before you unsubscribe, I will take a moment to respond to your statement. You see, this triumphalism that is inherent in Blair's speech is the sound of the victory (we think it is temporary)of capitalism in its most savage state ever.The French call it "le capitalisme sauvage." The idea of having " a strong stomach" for Blair's remarks relates to his assumptions - and your own. See, the new jobs in Europe are mostly McJobs, but even the "good" jobs are the result of the process called "Globalization," which has impoverished the Third World and the former USSR and Eastern Europe. Not to be concerned about the immiseration of the people who have been destroyed by these economic developments marks you as a person who doesn't yet understand what is going on in the world . If you genuinely want to be "anti-NATO" you need to see that the growth of NATO, the war on Yugoslavia and now NATO expansion European and overwhelmingly US expansion into the European and Asian continents since the end of the COLDWAR has been aggressive, militaristic, murderous and avaricious. All the wars Tony Blair neglects to mention that have created these new Western European economic developments have robbed someone. Even his references to enhanced GDPs for the EU makes no mention of who got what. The working class and farming and service workers have not equally shared in the economic growth. He says that women are now working. Many have to because no longer in Europe can a family subsist on one salary. That's been happening in the US foe a longer time. Women working is not a mark of liberation. It is about wage slavery. Sure, women want to work at intersting and creative jobs, but those kinds of jobs are not commonly found. In the US that is painfully clear as the gap between rich and poor has grown massively since the 1980s. But European capitalists are also the major beneficiaries of globalization which, Angela, you need to see is imperialism in a monstrous and rapacious incarnation, more horrible for the poor and the workers- and the environment- than any system previously created. They are not making 'peaceful sound judgements,' they are destroying the world. If you don't see it this way, you should unsubscribe. Or you could start reading this stuff and open your heart and your mind and the truth will make you free. H --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- "Isn't the parliment as well as the Dutch government and peoples worth trusting and believing especially when they are as strong and as highly intellectual, and have proven themselvs over the course of HISTORY to make peaceful sound judgements based on logic?" I can only assume that the person who wrote this is trying to be funny. I have seen this sort of thing in many other mailing lists/message boards - a doe-eyed, innocent newcomer makes a startlingly ignorant comment which preciptates a totally pointless debate by other members of the list. I think the word for it is a "troll". My advice would be to ignore it. >From: angela zeedijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:07:49 + > >HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK >--- > >This is a very convincing speach, perhaps i don't understand the context of >which it is being sent to me, why would i need a strong stomache to read >this? Please explaine why anything that was stated below should bother me? >If it is true,what is stated below and meant, then it sounds as if EU is in >a good position. Could it be the last few statements? Does England seem to >be needed to be depended upon by the rest of the EU, or is that a >misconception? Isn't the parliment as well as the Dutch government and >peoples worth trusting and believing especially when they are as strong and >as highly intellectual, and have proven themselvs over the course of >HISTORY >to make peaceful sound judgements based on logic? Please let me know what i >am not understanding here, based on her speech. >Many thanks, >A > > >>From: Francisco Javier Bernal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] >>Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:43:18 - >> >>HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK >>--- >> >>Blair's Barcelona statement in full >> >>The full text of the prime minister's statement to the Commons on the EU's >>Barcelona summit. >> >>"With permission Mr Speaker, I should like to make a statement about the >>European Council which took place in Barcelona on 15 and 16 March. >> >>Two years ago at Lisbon the European Union set out to become the world's >>most competitive and dynamic economy by 2010. Since that date the European >>Union has created five million new jobs. There are now nearly three >>million >>more women in work. Tax rates on low wage earners have been falling. We >>have agreed a new framework for competitive telecoms markets. >> >>Telecoms liberalisation has cut the price of calls across the EU by almost >>a half. As a result of the EU Action Plan internet access has doubled >>across the EU. We have cut red tape for small firms so that a private >>limited company can now be set up in under two weeks in ten EU Member >>States. We have recently agreed proposals to deliver a single EU >>securities >>market, and cheaper capital for small firms. >> >>The recent difficulties faced by the world economy mean we cannot rely on >>cyclical growth to deliver the employment Europe's citizens need. We must >>push ahead with the structural reforms to Europe's economies. >> >>At Stockholm a year ago, progress stalled. Barcelona had to recover >>momentum. There is no doubt that after Barcelona we are moving again, >>though there is still much ground to be made up by 2010. Such progress, as >>there is, is a tribute to the Commission and the leadership of the Spanish >>Presidency and I pay tribute to the excellent chairmanship of prime >>minister Aznar. >> >>Here is what was achieved. >> >>We set a timetable under majority voting to complete the single market in >>financial services, itself capable of boosting EU GDP by half a percentage >>point. No fewer than 25 different liberalising measures have already been >>agreed. Seven more key measures will be agreed by the end of the year. >> >>Most of all, we made a breakthrough in opening up the European energy >>market. All member states have now agreed fully to open up the >>non-domestic >>market by 2004 with free and fair competition. This represents over 60 per >>cent of the total market in gas and electricity. In addition, it is clear >>that the overriding majority of EU countries are now ready to open up >>their >>domestic markets as well
RE: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Here is a Conservative response. Blair has achieved nothing apart from poorer public services and higher taxes - unless one counts bombing and killing innocent people as an achievement. Even his own Party is getting sick of this egotistical fascist. JDK http://www.conservatives.com/news_article.cfm?obj_id=27516&speeches=1 Ancram: We can show that we believe in Great Britain again Speech to Conservative Spring Forum 2002 It is a great pleasure to be addressing you here in Harrogate again. My role this year is different, but my aim is the same. To start to win the next election. I must thank you for the enormous help and support you gave me in my three years as Party Chairman. I know you will do the same for David Davis who has got off to such a flying start, and I wish him well. Our task over the coming months and years is to rebuild public trust in our Party. It will be won primarily on the public services. But it can be won on broader canvases too, and foreign affairs is one of them. September 11 changed many things. It changed in particular the perception of the invulnerability of powers like America and the UK. Defence strategies suddenly required new dimensions. International aid came centre stage as part of international economic planning and development. We have had a good session. The contributions we have had from the floor have been of great insight and common sense as well. Today we face a changed world where Cold War certainties and the stability of the great blocs are gone. What we have do now is to identify common interests, and to create agile international alliances from them. I also believe that loyalty, and trust and friendship have an important part to play. Loyalty to those who have stood and still stand by us; trust in those with whom we can do business; and friendship with those whose values we share. After 11 September Tony Blair did well. I paid tribute to his role in building the international coalition against terrorism, and we gave him our support. But since then power seems to have gone to his head. Building coalitions suddenly turned into his "I can heal the World" speech to his conference last October. That speech was vainglorious claptrap and it was dangerously misjudged. For a start, how can he aspire to heal the world when he so clearly cannot heal public services in Britain? And far from his much vaunted ethical foreign policy, too much of the rest of his actual foreign policy is coloured by three shaming features - let-down, sell-out and surrender. Firstly let-down. Blair told his Party Conference that "if Rwanda happened again today ... we would have a moral duty to act there", and that he would "not tolerate ... the behaviour of Mugabe's henchmen". He talked about healing the scars on Africa. Brave words which raised high hopes in Zimbabwe. But they were words without action. Blair went to Africa recently, but he never went near Zimbabwe. Nothing new. When we called for targeted sanctions after the rigged parliamentary elections in 2000, this Government wrung its hands and did nothing. The same when the illegal land grabs began. And when voter registration began to be rigged in November. On each of these occasions we called for real pressure on Mugabe and on each occasion the Government did nothing. They even accused us of irresponsibility. And when in February they finally saw the light, it was too late. So in the face of murder and torture in Zimbabwe whatever happened to Blair's 'moral duty to act'? As Mugabe's thugs stole the election where was the active non-toleration he had promised? Far from healing the world - or even the scars on Africa - he stood by while the open wound which is Zimbabwe gaped and bled, and he did nothing. He let the people of Zimbabwe down, and in the process killed his ethical foreign policy stone dead. There is still just a chance to retrieve something from this mess. The Commonwealth suspension was a start and I pay tribute to Australian PM John Howard for it. But we must start now in earnest to bring together a wider international coalition including the US, the Commonwealth, the EU and the states of southern Africa, to exert real pressure on the Mugabe regime to hold new free and fair elections under international scrutiny. Only that way can democracy be restored. Our Government should lead this initiative. They should stop talking and start doing - and we will chase them until they do. And then there is sell out, betraying one's friends. This government has no qualms about betrayal. Blair and Straw are turning their backs on centuries of loyalty to Britain and to the Crown by selling out the sovereignty of the people of Gibraltar. They are preparing a deal with Spain to share sovereignty over the rock and a bribe for Gibraltar to accept it. But however it is wrapped up, sovereignty
Re: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Hello Angela, and welcome to the list. I'm not sure if I understand what you meant with your reply. The message is sent to you as you asked to join the list and I approved your membership. If you did so by mistake, just send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, would you be so kind to explain me when "in the course of history", has ever Phony Bliar been dedicated to peace and "peaceful solutions based on logic"? Are the systematically planned bombing of civilians, the politics of terrorism for its own goals, etcetera included in this category? If you believe so, being a self-satisfied liberal -I sincerely hope not- I'm afraid you're in the wrong place. Warmest regards, Francisco Javier Bernal co-list manager > > This is a very convincing speach, perhaps i don't understand the context of > which it is being sent to me, why would i need a strong stomache to read > this? Please explaine why anything that was stated below should bother me? > If it is true,what is stated below and meant, then it sounds as if EU is in > a good position. Could it be the last few statements? Does England seem to > be needed to be depended upon by the rest of the EU, or is that a > misconception? Isn't the parliment as well as the Dutch government and > peoples worth trusting and believing especially when they are as strong and > as highly intellectual, and have proven themselvs over the course of HISTORY > to make peaceful sound judgements based on logic? Please let me know what i > am not understanding here, based on her speech. > Many thanks, > A > > > >From: Francisco Javier Bernal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:43:18 - > > > >HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > >--- > > > >Blair's Barcelona statement in full > > > >The full text of the prime minister's statement to the Commons on the EU's > >Barcelona summit. > > > >"With permission Mr Speaker, I should like to make a statement about the > >European Council which took place in Barcelona on 15 and 16 March. > > > >Two years ago at Lisbon the European Union set out to become the world's > >most competitive and dynamic economy by 2010. Since that date the European > >Union has created five million new jobs. There are now nearly three million > >more women in work. Tax rates on low wage earners have been falling. We > >have agreed a new framework for competitive telecoms markets. > > > >Telecoms liberalisation has cut the price of calls across the EU by almost > >a half. As a result of the EU Action Plan internet access has doubled > >across the EU. We have cut red tape for small firms so that a private > >limited company can now be set up in under two weeks in ten EU Member > >States. We have recently agreed proposals to deliver a single EU securities > >market, and cheaper capital for small firms. > > > >The recent difficulties faced by the world economy mean we cannot rely on > >cyclical growth to deliver the employment Europe's citizens need. We must > >push ahead with the structural reforms to Europe's economies. > > > >At Stockholm a year ago, progress stalled. Barcelona had to recover > >momentum. There is no doubt that after Barcelona we are moving again, > >though there is still much ground to be made up by 2010. Such progress, as > >there is, is a tribute to the Commission and the leadership of the Spanish > >Presidency and I pay tribute to the excellent chairmanship of prime > >minister Aznar. > > > >Here is what was achieved. > > > >We set a timetable under majority voting to complete the single market in > >financial services, itself capable of boosting EU GDP by half a percentage > >point. No fewer than 25 different liberalising measures have already been > >agreed. Seven more key measures will be agreed by the end of the year. > > > >Most of all, we made a breakthrough in opening up the European energy > >market. All member states have now agreed fully to open up the non-domestic > >market by 2004 with free and fair competition. This represents over 60 per > >cent of the total market in gas and electricity. In addition, it is clear > >that the overriding majority of EU countries are now ready to open up their > >domestic markets as well. We agreed a decision on the relevant directives > >will be taken by majority vote, at the late
Re: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- This is a very convincing speach, perhaps i don't understand the context of which it is being sent to me, why would i need a strong stomache to read this? Please explaine why anything that was stated below should bother me? If it is true,what is stated below and meant, then it sounds as if EU is in a good position. Could it be the last few statements? Does England seem to be needed to be depended upon by the rest of the EU, or is that a misconception? Isn't the parliment as well as the Dutch government and peoples worth trusting and believing especially when they are as strong and as highly intellectual, and have proven themselvs over the course of HISTORY to make peaceful sound judgements based on logic? Please let me know what i am not understanding here, based on her speech. Many thanks, A >From: Francisco Javier Bernal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:43:18 - > >HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK >--- > >Blair's Barcelona statement in full > >The full text of the prime minister's statement to the Commons on the EU's >Barcelona summit. > >"With permission Mr Speaker, I should like to make a statement about the >European Council which took place in Barcelona on 15 and 16 March. > >Two years ago at Lisbon the European Union set out to become the world's >most competitive and dynamic economy by 2010. Since that date the European >Union has created five million new jobs. There are now nearly three million >more women in work. Tax rates on low wage earners have been falling. We >have agreed a new framework for competitive telecoms markets. > >Telecoms liberalisation has cut the price of calls across the EU by almost >a half. As a result of the EU Action Plan internet access has doubled >across the EU. We have cut red tape for small firms so that a private >limited company can now be set up in under two weeks in ten EU Member >States. We have recently agreed proposals to deliver a single EU securities >market, and cheaper capital for small firms. > >The recent difficulties faced by the world economy mean we cannot rely on >cyclical growth to deliver the employment Europe's citizens need. We must >push ahead with the structural reforms to Europe's economies. > >At Stockholm a year ago, progress stalled. Barcelona had to recover >momentum. There is no doubt that after Barcelona we are moving again, >though there is still much ground to be made up by 2010. Such progress, as >there is, is a tribute to the Commission and the leadership of the Spanish >Presidency and I pay tribute to the excellent chairmanship of prime >minister Aznar. > >Here is what was achieved. > >We set a timetable under majority voting to complete the single market in >financial services, itself capable of boosting EU GDP by half a percentage >point. No fewer than 25 different liberalising measures have already been >agreed. Seven more key measures will be agreed by the end of the year. > >Most of all, we made a breakthrough in opening up the European energy >market. All member states have now agreed fully to open up the non-domestic >market by 2004 with free and fair competition. This represents over 60 per >cent of the total market in gas and electricity. In addition, it is clear >that the overriding majority of EU countries are now ready to open up their >domestic markets as well. We agreed a decision on the relevant directives >will be taken by majority vote, at the latest by end of 2002. This means >that a single market in energy is now attainable. > >We agreed to deliver broadband technology across the European Union by >2005. That means internet access at 10 times the present speed. > >We agreed to boost our commitment to research and development towards a >target of 3 per cent of GDP by 2010. The new Research Framework programme >will spend Euro 17.5 billion to this end. New industries like the growing >biotech market will benefit significantly. > >We have agreed to implement by the end of 2002 proposals to reduce >regulation on business, and a new system for consultation with business >before new regulation is introduced. > >These steps go hand in hand with a social policy which seeks to encourage >more and better jobs for all. The record of British government is strong. >We have guaranteed fair rights at work. We have a national minimum wage. > >Our disability, gender and race equality legislation is among the most >advanced in Europe. We have introduced a new system of tax credits to make >work pay. >
For those with a strong stomach [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Blair's Barcelona statement in full The full text of the prime minister's statement to the Commons on the EU's Barcelona summit. "With permission Mr Speaker, I should like to make a statement about the European Council which took place in Barcelona on 15 and 16 March. Two years ago at Lisbon the European Union set out to become the world's most competitive and dynamic economy by 2010. Since that date the European Union has created five million new jobs. There are now nearly three million more women in work. Tax rates on low wage earners have been falling. We have agreed a new framework for competitive telecoms markets. Telecoms liberalisation has cut the price of calls across the EU by almost a half. As a result of the EU Action Plan internet access has doubled across the EU. We have cut red tape for small firms so that a private limited company can now be set up in under two weeks in ten EU Member States. We have recently agreed proposals to deliver a single EU securities market, and cheaper capital for small firms. The recent difficulties faced by the world economy mean we cannot rely on cyclical growth to deliver the employment Europe's citizens need. We must push ahead with the structural reforms to Europe's economies. At Stockholm a year ago, progress stalled. Barcelona had to recover momentum. There is no doubt that after Barcelona we are moving again, though there is still much ground to be made up by 2010. Such progress, as there is, is a tribute to the Commission and the leadership of the Spanish Presidency and I pay tribute to the excellent chairmanship of prime minister Aznar. Here is what was achieved. We set a timetable under majority voting to complete the single market in financial services, itself capable of boosting EU GDP by half a percentage point. No fewer than 25 different liberalising measures have already been agreed. Seven more key measures will be agreed by the end of the year. Most of all, we made a breakthrough in opening up the European energy market. All member states have now agreed fully to open up the non-domestic market by 2004 with free and fair competition. This represents over 60 per cent of the total market in gas and electricity. In addition, it is clear that the overriding majority of EU countries are now ready to open up their domestic markets as well. We agreed a decision on the relevant directives will be taken by majority vote, at the latest by end of 2002. This means that a single market in energy is now attainable. We agreed to deliver broadband technology across the European Union by 2005. That means internet access at 10 times the present speed. We agreed to boost our commitment to research and development towards a target of 3 per cent of GDP by 2010. The new Research Framework programme will spend Euro 17.5 billion to this end. New industries like the growing biotech market will benefit significantly. We have agreed to implement by the end of 2002 proposals to reduce regulation on business, and a new system for consultation with business before new regulation is introduced. These steps go hand in hand with a social policy which seeks to encourage more and better jobs for all. The record of British government is strong. We have guaranteed fair rights at work. We have a national minimum wage. Our disability, gender and race equality legislation is among the most advanced in Europe. We have introduced a new system of tax credits to make work pay. Our New Deal has got over 300,000 young people into work. Since we came to power unemployment in Britain has fallen to its lowest level for 25 years. We have one of the highest employment rates in Europe overall, including for women and for older workers. Europe agreed the enlargement agenda must focus on measures targeted at jobs, enterprise and moving people off benefit into work rather than heavy-handed regulation - the British approach and increasingly the European one. As the Barcelona conclusions say: "employment is the best guarantee against social exclusion" . The enlargement countries came to Barcelona and for the first time participated in policy debates. We also discussed how to make our decision-making more streamlined and efficient once we become a European Union of 25, 27 and more. I welcome the proposals of the Secretary General of the Council, Javier Solana, which will now be taken forward by the Spanish presidency. In many respects these echo the ideas which chancellor Schroeder of Germany and I put forward in a recent paper on Council reform. The Council also addressed a range of pressing international issues. The EU committed to increase its average development aid to 0.39 per cent of GDP by 2006. This achievement owes a lot to the lead given by my right honourable friends the chancellor and development secretary. It is worth an extra $7 billion a year. If delivered it m
