Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020
Hi, Thanks for the reply, I totally understand the need for the languages, even I have done and published some research work on Indian Languages. That's why I got interested and want to contribute to Apertium. As we have to use rule-based learning so as a native speaker I can only work on Hindi but I have seen no mentor knows it, so I just wanted to know can I still work and write a proposal for that? Also can you please give me an overview of how and where I can use the neural methods in Apertium. I am really interested to work on those projects. Thank You On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 8:14 AM Jonathan Washington < jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Himanshu, > > Apertium generally isn't looking for "some developer" to write MT > systems. The community is usually looking for people who know a language > and care about it. > > Also, there are over 150 million speakers of those languages combined, so > I'm not sure how rare it is to find developers who know one of them. > > This all being said, there are interesting ways to augment Apertium with > neural methods. I believe the community is open to projects that do this, > so if you're interested in pursuing that sort of project, there may be > viable options. > > -- > Jonathan > > чт, 5 мар. 2020 г. в 15:33, Himanshu choudhary < > himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in>: > >> Ok thanks >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 1:49 AM Scoop Gracie wrote: >> >>> It needs to be rule based. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 Himanshu choudhary < >>> himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in> wrote: >>> Hi, I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or unsupervised machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the task "Apertium English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some open-source data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine translation can produce better results and also we don't need to have a knowledge of the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it is very rare that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. Please let me know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based learning. so that I can move forward. Thank you ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> ___ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020
Hi Himanshu, Apertium generally isn't looking for "some developer" to write MT systems. The community is usually looking for people who know a language and care about it. Also, there are over 150 million speakers of those languages combined, so I'm not sure how rare it is to find developers who know one of them. This all being said, there are interesting ways to augment Apertium with neural methods. I believe the community is open to projects that do this, so if you're interested in pursuing that sort of project, there may be viable options. -- Jonathan чт, 5 мар. 2020 г. в 15:33, Himanshu choudhary < himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in>: > Ok thanks > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 1:49 AM Scoop Gracie wrote: > >> It needs to be rule based. >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 Himanshu choudhary < >> himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or >>> unsupervised machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the >>> task "Apertium English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some >>> open-source data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine >>> translation can produce better results and also we don't need to have a >>> knowledge of the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it >>> is very rare that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. >>> Please let me know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based >>> learning. so that I can move forward. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> ___ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020
Ok thanks On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 1:49 AM Scoop Gracie wrote: > It needs to be rule based. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 Himanshu choudhary < > himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or >> unsupervised machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the >> task "Apertium English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some >> open-source data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine >> translation can produce better results and also we don't need to have a >> knowledge of the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it >> is very rare that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. >> Please let me know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based >> learning. so that I can move forward. >> >> Thank you >> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020
It needs to be rule based. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 Himanshu choudhary < himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in> wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or unsupervised > machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the task "Apertium > English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some open-source > data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine translation > can produce better results and also we don't need to have a knowledge of > the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it is very rare > that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. Please let me > know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based learning. so > that I can move forward. > > Thank you > > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
[Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020
Hi, I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or unsupervised machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the task "Apertium English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some open-source data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine translation can produce better results and also we don't need to have a knowledge of the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it is very rare that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. Please let me know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based learning. so that I can move forward. Thank you ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
You could at least be a backup member. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 Daniel Swanson wrote: > If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do > that. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie > wrote: > >> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose >> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for >> each. >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font >> wrote: >> >>> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain >>> exactly what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I >>> have no interest in standing for the PMC. >>> Hèctor >>> >>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de >>> març 2020 a les 12:07: >>> Replied inline... On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: > Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. > Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never been strictly enforced or followed. It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be realistic this time. As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. -- Tino Didriksen ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> ___ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do that. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie wrote: > We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose > that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for > each. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font > wrote: > >> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly >> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no >> interest in standing for the PMC. >> Hèctor >> >> Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de >> març 2020 a les 12:07: >> >>> Replied inline... >>> >>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: >>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. >>> >>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of >>> people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the >>> strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have >>> never been strictly enforced or followed. >>> >>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be >>> realistic this time. >>> >>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in >>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because >>> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 >>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. >>> >>> -- Tino Didriksen >>> >>> ___ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >>> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
Since it seems like there are enough people to help conduct the election, I’ll just put in my name for the candidacy formally. Thanks Tanmai Sent from my iPhone > On 05-Mar-2020, at 23:28, Scoop Gracie wrote: > > > We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose > that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for > each. > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font wrote: >> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly >> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no >> interest in standing for the PMC. >> Hèctor >> >> Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de març >> 2020 a les 12:07: >>> Replied inline... >>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. >>> >>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people >>> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict >>> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never >>> been strictly enforced or followed. >>> >>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be >>> realistic this time. >>> >>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in >>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if >>> we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 >>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. >>> >>> -- Tino Didriksen >>> >>> ___ >>> Apertium-stuff mailing list >>> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for each. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font wrote: > If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly > what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no > interest in standing for the PMC. > Hèctor > > Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de > març 2020 a les 12:07: > >> Replied inline... >> >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: >> >>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. >>> >> >> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people >> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict >> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never >> been strictly enforced or followed. >> >> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be >> realistic this time. >> >> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in >> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because >> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 >> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. >> >> -- Tino Didriksen >> >> ___ >> Apertium-stuff mailing list >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff >> > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no interest in standing for the PMC. Hèctor Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de març 2020 a les 12:07: > Replied inline... > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: > >> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. >> > > Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people > who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict > interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never > been strictly enforced or followed. > > It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be > realistic this time. > > As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in > https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if > we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 > voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. > > -- Tino Didriksen > > ___ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
Replied inline... On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote: > Under the bylaws, it's one or the other. > Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never been strictly enforced or followed. It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be realistic this time. As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure. -- Tino Didriksen ___ Apertium-stuff mailing list Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
