Missatge de Kevin Brubeck Unhammer del dia dt., 1 de
nov. 2022 a les 13:46:
> Hèctor Alòs i Font
> čálii:
>
> > Enunciatives are a kind of adverbs that are put just before verbs in main
> > clauses (although they can also be found in subordinate clauses too). For
> > affirmative clauses, it works like the English reinforcement "do" in "I
> do
> > like", but it is syntactically compulsory for enunciative users, so it's
> > not seen as a reinforcement. The problem is that for affirmative clauses
> > the enunciative is "que", which can be cnjsub (=that), rel (=that,
> which),
> > prn.itg (=what, which) and a comparative (=than). Note that cnjsub, rel
> and
> > prn.itg are often right in front of the verb in Occitan too. For
> negative,
> > interrogative and exclamatory clauses other words can be used, but also
> > "que"... which makes all the thing a big mess. (And there are more with
> > dubitative, emphatic, etc. meanings).
> >
> > As for your proposal, I do not yet have sufficient knowledge of CG to
> fully
> > understand it. My idea would be to make a first pass through a whole text
> > to understand if enunciatives are used in it (for example, recognising
> > other, more infrequent, but more easily recognisable enunciatives). In
> the
> > solution you propose, it seems that this knowledge is acquired
> > progressively, as sentences are translated. I fear that "que" is so messy
> > that at least the first sentences of a text would have the same problems
> as
> > we have now when we translate a Gascon text without enunciatives.
>
> That should be possible too, though I'm not sure how feasible it is to
> get CG to go that far into a text. By default, CG keeps a context of two
> windows, but that's configurable. It should be possible (perhaps with
> minor modifications to cg-proc) to read a bunch of sentences and use
> Window Spanning tests https://visl.sdu.dk/cg3/single/#test-spanning
>
> Tino, have you tried looking ahead several paragraphs, are there any
> downsides? This should be a fairly simple rule file.
>
> > This sounds perfect for Occitan. Is there a documentation in the wiki?
>
> There is! See:
>
> https://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Dialectal_or_standard_variation#Overlapping_variants
Thanks a lot, Kevin, especially for the new updates!
Best,
Hèctor
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