Re: [apple-crop-2] What to do when fireblight hits tall spindle
Doug, it's sort of complicated. First, you probably know the bacteria travels from the tip downwards. The idea is to cut well below where the infection has traveled. You can cut away some bark and see where the brown area meets green cambium. I cut pass this point - well past it. I'm guessing I would cut about three times the length of the affected area. For example, if the tip has died back 6 inches, I would remove 18 inches of that limb. This is my gut but but this has worked for me in the past. I don't know the extent of your knowledge, but you need to be careful not to spread the bacteria with your tools and hands. Some people dip their tools in alcohol or Clorox between cuts. I use Clorox wipes on my shears, making sure I use a fresh wipe almost every cut, as the wipe ought to be very wet. On small limbs, say a quarter of an inch or less, I rip the limb off. The big thing is, take action now!! With warm weather you can get a lot of damage. If you burn the limbs, don't let the smoke drift into your orchard - something a guy told me Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:24 PM, "wincowg...@centurylink.net" > wrote: > > Doug- where are you located? > What rootstock(s)? > What cultivars? > How old are the trees in your tall spindle? > What was your fireblight control program at bloom? > any post bloom program(s) > > Win > >> On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Doug Nelson >> wrote: >> >> I appear to have fireblight popping up in my orchard. The ipm group tells me >> to prune all limbs back to central leader and not to do any spraying. >> >> What do you do? >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > Win Cowgill > Apple-Crop Co-Founder > Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University > Visiting Scholar, UMASS-Amherst > CEO- Win Enterprises International, LLC > Editor Horticultural News > PO Box 143 > Baptistown, NJ 08803 > Office 908-489-1476 > Fax- 908-996-6404 > Email: wincowg...@mac.com > www.wincowgill.com > www.virtualorchard.net/ > http://giselacherry.com/ > http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html > http://www.appletesters.net > http://nc140.org > Twitter @mrsuncrisp > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop-2] Is this list serve dead
Thanks Doug. And thanks to the other guys that answered my question about SWD. We don't have that pest here... yet Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Doug Nelson > wrote: > > I got this hugh > >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 11:39 PM Hugh Thomas wrote: >> Doug, same here. If you get this, please reply... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Doug Nelson >> > wrote: >> > >> > I have seen very little traffic all season. No responses to my two queries. >> > ___ >> > apple-crop mailing list >> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop-2] Is this list serve dead
Doug, same here. If you get this, please reply... Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Doug Nelson > wrote: > > I have seen very little traffic all season. No responses to my two queries. > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop-2] Efficacy
Art, what is SWD? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote: > > Can someone explain why an insecticide might be excellent for SWD on one crop > but only moderate on another crop. > > Art Kelly > Kelly Orchards > Acton, Maine > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop-2] Nurse limb removal?
My gut feeling, not based on any science I know of, just a few years of kicking dirt around, is too leave them until dormant, so that they can help with photo timing in the fall and the senescence will put back some nutrients. Just sayin' Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Jon Clements wrote: > > Anybody have an opinion (or expertise?) on when is the best time to remove > nurse (limbs) on top-worked trees? Obviously want to push the grafts, so do > the nurse limbs take away energy? I guess I want to say they should/could be > removed during the upcoming dormant season, but what about cutting them off > now? Most of the grafts have grown one to two feet by now now... > > Thanks. > > Jon > > -- > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 Verizon > 413.378.3068 Project Fi > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin Street > Belchertown, MA 01007 > http://umassfruit.com > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Soil Anchors
David, I use these, and they work great. I have no idea how they would work in your situation: http://www.wilsonirr.com/ecommerce/trellis/anchoring/screw-anc-36-hvy-8-disc-hv-rod.php You screw them into the ground using a tool that mounts on a 3 point auger rig: http://www.wilsonirr.com/ecommerce/trellis/anchoring/anchor-insert-tool-2-3-4-x-5-3.php On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:04 PM, David Kollas wrote: > Kurt and Mo: > > Thank you for your comments. > > If pull-out is the reason for discarding the Duckbill > anchoring method, I wonder if a larger model would > overcome that. The largest Duckbill model is about 12 inches long. A > second line of “duckbills”, also by Foresight > Products, is called Manta Ray, and is made for increased resistance, > installed with hydraulic jackhammer. There > are also options for stoney soils (ductile iron, hot-dipped in zinc, > rather than the standard aluminum). However, > searches of company websites, and telephone contacts, have been short on > pertinent,applicable value in my recent > efforts. > > The thought of trying to put auger-type anchors in my stony > land does not appeal to me, and driving > posts has never attracted me either. Channel iron does seem worth > trying, but I am hoping to find something > I could get really excited about. > > David > Kollas Orchard, CT > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Matrix Herbicide
Deborah, Have you tried Matrix for apple sucker control? On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Deborah I. Breth wrote: > Matt, > I have had very good results in trials but success depends on the weed > complex on your farm? > > Sent from my iPhone > Deborah Breth > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Matt Pellerin > wrote: > > I am considering using Matrix herbicide for weed management in my > Orchard. I was wondering if anyone has used this and if you could share > your experience with the effectiveness of this chemical. How does it > perform as a pre-emergent and post-emergent? Spring application or fall > application? > > Thanks, > -- > Matthew Pellerin > Agricultural Manager > Treworgy Family Orchards > 3876 Union St > Levant, ME 04456 > www.treworgyorchards.com > 207-884-8354 <(207)%20884-8354> > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Matrix Herbicide
Good idea. I'll check Matrix out. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Matt Pellerin wrote: > Hugh, > Thanks for the input on Chateau. I actually regularly use Chateau. I was > thinking of using Matrix as a rotation so that I don't repeatedly use > Chateau every year. > > Thanks, > Matt > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Hugh Thomas > wrote: > >> I don't know but look into Chateau. Spray it in the spring and it holds >> back the weeds all season. I keep it off the trunks of the trees by hand >> spraying a circle around each tree and then following up with a larger >> power hand gun sprayer at low pressure with a V tip. You will need a gram >> scale, the rates are crazy low, like 4 oz per acre or something... >> https://www.valent.com/agriculture/products/chateau/index.cfm >> >> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Matt Pellerin > > wrote: >> >>> I am considering using Matrix herbicide for weed management in my >>> Orchard. I was wondering if anyone has used this and if you could share >>> your experience with the effectiveness of this chemical. How does it >>> perform as a pre-emergent and post-emergent? Spring application or fall >>> application? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -- >>> Matthew Pellerin >>> Agricultural Manager >>> Treworgy Family Orchards >>> 3876 Union St >>> Levant, ME 04456 >>> www.treworgyorchards.com >>> 207-884-8354 <(207)%20884-8354> >>> >>> ___ >>> apple-crop mailing list >>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >>> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > > > -- > Matthew Pellerin > Agricultural Manager > Treworgy Family Orchards > 3876 Union St > Levant, ME 04456 > www.treworgyorchards.com > 207-884-8354 <(207)%20884-8354> > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Matrix Herbicide
I don't know but look into Chateau. Spray it in the spring and it holds back the weeds all season. I keep it off the trunks of the trees by hand spraying a circle around each tree and then following up with a larger power hand gun sprayer at low pressure with a V tip. You will need a gram scale, the rates are crazy low, like 4 oz per acre or something... https://www.valent.com/agriculture/products/chateau/index.cfm On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Matt Pellerin wrote: > I am considering using Matrix herbicide for weed management in my > Orchard. I was wondering if anyone has used this and if you could share > your experience with the effectiveness of this chemical. How does it > perform as a pre-emergent and post-emergent? Spring application or fall > application? > > Thanks, > -- > Matthew Pellerin > Agricultural Manager > Treworgy Family Orchards > 3876 Union St > Levant, ME 04456 > www.treworgyorchards.com > 207-884-8354 <(207)%20884-8354> > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Cosmic Crisp
I attended the annual trade show in Washington for two years in a row, about 2013 -14. At that show Cosmic Crisp was displayed, hyped and offered as a tasting. I tried it twice at one show and then again at the next year's show. There was some "crisp'" like most apples, but the taste was shallow, it didn't linger. The crisp part was far less than Honeycrisp, and the taste part was a lessened sensation. This is, of course, a subjective interpretation. My taste buds are unique like my DNA, and others may have a different view. My view is that Honeycrisp "explodes" in the mouth, (speaking of my Honeycrisp, grown at 3500' elevation in Montana, with summer nights cooling to 40-50 degrees F) and Cosmic Crisp is just another apple. Most of the apples grown around Yakama, Washington have this problem. The taste is shallow, and the fruit is huge from some orchards. I believe the problem is night time temps. If an apple cools at night, the fruit is smaller, firmer and sweeter. My take on it. I am not a Phd or officially trained biologist. My guess, which is not based on science or objective measurement, is that the hype was projected, the growers bought into it, and now this Cosmic Crisp will enter the market and high elevation honey crisp will blow it out of the water. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Shoemaker, William H wrote: > So Hugh, I hope it didn't taste "pimpled-up". Could you tell us what were > the negatives and positives of your tasting experience? > > Thanks for a good laugh. > > Bill > > *William H. Shoemaker * > > *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist* > > *University of Illinois* > > wshoe...@illinois.edu > ------ > *From:* apple-crop [apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] on behalf of > Hugh Thomas [hughthoma...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:15 PM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Cosmic Crisp > > First of all, "Cosmic Crisp" is a stupid name, no doubt, some committee > consisting of 500 came up with it. Sounds like a pimpled-up teen-aged > super-hero character from another planet who gets real flakey if you mess > with him. And by the way, he has a red outfit with a big logo on his chest > with a yellow *CC*. Secondly, it doesn't taste that good. I've tasted it > two or three times. Third, I understand it's meant for Washington growers > only, wherein WSU has a restriction. I not sure about this, but if true, I > wonder if WSU gets any our federal taxes. Is so, and you want to grow it, > contact your Senator. > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:59 AM, maurice tougas < > appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My understanding is that Cosmic Crisp will be an open variety in seven >> years. >> >> Numbers we were quoted for "all in" establishment costs per acre was >> $60,000 on a large planting. No land acquisition costs. Land prep, trees, >> support, tractors, irrigation, machinery buildings and housing for H2A >> labor included. I do not know if overhead towards packing facility was >> factored in. >> >> Mo Tougas >> Tougas Family Farm llc >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Craig J. Kahlke >> wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this. When WA decides on something, it’s full speed >>> ahead. >>> >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Craig J. Kahlke >>> >>> Area Extension Educator >>> >>> Fruit Quality Management >>> >>> Team Leader >>> >>> Lake Ontario Fruit Program >>> >>> Cornell Cooperative Extension >>> >>> 4487 Lake Ave >>> >>> Lockport, NY 14094 >>> >>> Cell: 585-735-5448 <(585)%20735-5448> >>> >>> Work: 716-433-8839, ext. 237 <(716)%20433-8839> >>> >>> Fax: 716-438-0275 <(716)%20438-0275> >>> >>> Email: cj...@cornell.edu >>> >>> http://lof.cce.cornell.edu/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *David Doud >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2017 10:33 AM >>> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >>> *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Cosmic Crisp >>> >>> >>> >>> A good concise article on what Washington state growers are doing with >>> Cosmic Crisp over the next two years - the figures are staggering - >>> >>> >>> >&
Re: [Apple-Crop] Cosmic Crisp
First of all, "Cosmic Crisp" is a stupid name, no doubt, some committee consisting of 500 came up with it. Sounds like a pimpled-up teen-aged super-hero character from another planet who gets real flakey if you mess with him. And by the way, he has a red outfit with a big logo on his chest with a yellow *CC*. Secondly, it doesn't taste that good. I've tasted it two or three times. Third, I understand it's meant for Washington growers only, wherein WSU has a restriction. I not sure about this, but if true, I wonder if WSU gets any our federal taxes. Is so, and you want to grow it, contact your Senator. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:59 AM, maurice tougas wrote: > My understanding is that Cosmic Crisp will be an open variety in seven > years. > > Numbers we were quoted for "all in" establishment costs per acre was > $60,000 on a large planting. No land acquisition costs. Land prep, trees, > support, tractors, irrigation, machinery buildings and housing for H2A > labor included. I do not know if overhead towards packing facility was > factored in. > > Mo Tougas > Tougas Family Farm llc > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Craig J. Kahlke > wrote: > >> David, >> >> >> >> Thanks for sharing this. When WA decides on something, it’s full speed >> ahead. >> >> >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> >> Craig J. Kahlke >> >> Area Extension Educator >> >> Fruit Quality Management >> >> Team Leader >> >> Lake Ontario Fruit Program >> >> Cornell Cooperative Extension >> >> 4487 Lake Ave >> >> Lockport, NY 14094 >> >> Cell: 585-735-5448 <(585)%20735-5448> >> >> Work: 716-433-8839, ext. 237 <(716)%20433-8839> >> >> Fax: 716-438-0275 <(716)%20438-0275> >> >> Email: cj...@cornell.edu >> >> http://lof.cce.cornell.edu/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >> Behalf Of *David Doud >> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2017 10:33 AM >> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >> *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Cosmic Crisp >> >> >> >> A good concise article on what Washington state growers are doing with >> Cosmic Crisp over the next two years - the figures are staggering - >> >> >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/washington-apple-growers- >> gamble-big-cosmic-crisp-byron-phillips?trk=mp-reader-card >> >> >> >> 'et cavete ab agricola’ - >> >> 'let the grower beware'… >> >> …and the sales desks also... >> >> >> >> David Doud - grower, IN - silver tip on early blooming varieties - >> >> so sorry to see reports of the eastern temperatures of a couple nights >> ago... >> >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > > > -- > Maurice Tougas > Tougas Family Farm > Northborough,MA 01532 > 508-450-0844 <(508)%20450-0844> > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
Hugh Thomas Thomas Farms LLC Stevensville, Mt. USA Author, *The Biology of Human Freedom* On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Hugh Thomas wrote: > Kurt, > You are absolutely right. In fact, my wife and I had decided to sell our > house /small farm if Clinton had won. Just after the election, I ordered > more trees to expand our orchard. That tree order was politically driven. > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Kurt W. Alstede > wrote: > >> Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers, >> >> >> >> I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so little >> tolerance these days for alternative view points. Yet, to suggest that >> politics don’t influence our businesses and farms would be not only a >> mistake but also a disservice to our goal of helping and supporting one >> another who grow apples. What I can share with you with confidence as a >> full time family farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama >> administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging >> than any other time in my 35 years of farming. I have seen a steady >> increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory compliance as well >> as the amount of management time that I and my team spend simply making >> sure that our business can operate….none of which helps us grow a better >> apple for our customers. We are only 10 days into the new administration >> and I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance our >> family business to the next generation in an environment that once again >> values and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work, rural values, and the risk >> that we all take each year as farmers. I also look forward to a positive >> business environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and >> preserve more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the local economy. >> >> >> >> Simply stated….I am very excited! >> >> >> >> Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless the United >> States of America. >> >> >> >> >> >> *Kurt W. Alstede* >> >> General Manager, >> >> Alstede Farms, LLC >> >> P.O. Box 278 >> >> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >> >> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >> >> United States of America >> >> >> >> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >> >> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >> >> www.alstedefarms.com >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] >> >> >> >> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Vincent Philion >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:14 PM >> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >> *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop >> >> >> >> Please keep "alternative facts" and politics out of this thread. >> >> Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. >> >> >> Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:06, Hugh Thomas a écrit : >> >> The intended effect was to promote the idea that the right wing extremist >> Donald Trump was trying to suppress opposition voices. Contrast this to the >> fact that for years the fascist left has threatened any scientist that >> questions global warming. The death penalty has been called for many times. >> By the way, the idea: “97% of scientists agree…” is just more fake news. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Cooley >> wrote: >> >> Since journalists are among the most dishonest human beings on earth, we >> probably should all just stop paying attention to the news, and let the new >> administration get on with the important business of making America great >> again. No offense Con, but America first! >> >> >> >> But if you’re not inclined to stop paying attention, it turns out the >> USDA kerfuffle came about from an internal decision, not the White House. >> It strikes me as typical of ARS culture. >> >> >> >> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-suppos >> ed-gag-order-agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
Kurt, You are absolutely right. In fact, my wife and I had decided to sell our house /small farm if Clinton had won. Just after the election, I ordered more trees to expand our orchard. That tree order was politically driven. On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote: > Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers, > > > > I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so little > tolerance these days for alternative view points. Yet, to suggest that > politics don’t influence our businesses and farms would be not only a > mistake but also a disservice to our goal of helping and supporting one > another who grow apples. What I can share with you with confidence as a > full time family farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama > administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging > than any other time in my 35 years of farming. I have seen a steady > increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory compliance as well > as the amount of management time that I and my team spend simply making > sure that our business can operate….none of which helps us grow a better > apple for our customers. We are only 10 days into the new administration > and I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance our > family business to the next generation in an environment that once again > values and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work, rural values, and the risk > that we all take each year as farmers. I also look forward to a positive > business environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and > preserve more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the local economy. > > > > Simply stated….I am very excited! > > > > Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless the United > States of America. > > > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> > > Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *Vincent Philion > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:14 PM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop > > > > Please keep "alternative facts" and politics out of this thread. > > Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. > > > Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:06, Hugh Thomas a écrit : > > The intended effect was to promote the idea that the right wing extremist > Donald Trump was trying to suppress opposition voices. Contrast this to the > fact that for years the fascist left has threatened any scientist that > questions global warming. The death penalty has been called for many times. > By the way, the idea: “97% of scientists agree…” is just more fake news. > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Cooley wrote: > > Since journalists are among the most dishonest human beings on earth, we > probably should all just stop paying attention to the news, and let the new > administration get on with the important business of making America great > again. No offense Con, but America first! > > > > But if you’re not inclined to stop paying attention, it turns out the USDA > kerfuffle came about from an internal decision, not the White House. It > strikes me as typical of ARS culture. > > > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-supposed-gag-order- > agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound > > > > Dan > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
You could have said this a few posts back. Since you chose my post to hit within 7 minutes, I must have struck very close to the truth. On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Vincent Philion wrote: > Please keep "alternative facts" and politics out of this thread. > > Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. > > Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:06, Hugh Thomas a écrit : > > The intended effect was to promote the idea that the right wing extremist > Donald Trump was trying to suppress opposition voices. Contrast this to the > fact that for years the fascist left has threatened any scientist that > questions global warming. The death penalty has been called for many times. > By the way, the idea: “97% of scientists agree…” is just more fake news. > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Cooley wrote: > >> Since journalists are among the most dishonest human beings on earth, we >> probably should all just stop paying attention to the news, and let the new >> administration get on with the important business of making America great >> again. No offense Con, but America first! >> >> But if you’re not inclined to stop paying attention, it turns out the >> USDA kerfuffle came about from an internal decision, not the White House. >> It strikes me as typical of ARS culture. >> >> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-suppos >> ed-gag-order-agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound >> >> Dan >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
The intended effect was to promote the idea that the right wing extremist Donald Trump was trying to suppress opposition voices. Contrast this to the fact that for years the fascist left has threatened any scientist that questions global warming. The death penalty has been called for many times. By the way, the idea: “97% of scientists agree…” is just more fake news. On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Cooley wrote: > Since journalists are among the most dishonest human beings on earth, we > probably should all just stop paying attention to the news, and let the new > administration get on with the important business of making America great > again. No offense Con, but America first! > > But if you’re not inclined to stop paying attention, it turns out the USDA > kerfuffle came about from an internal decision, not the White House. It > strikes me as typical of ARS culture. > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/firestorm-over-supposed-gag-order- > agricultural-scientists-was-self-inflicted-wound > > Dan > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Jonagold
A heavy crop will do it. Find a tree with good color and then make an estimate of the leaves / fruit ratio. I'm betting the non-coloring trees have 10-40 leaves or per fruit, whereas the good color trees will have 50-100+ leaves per fruit. My take on it.. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:19 PM, kellyorchards wrote: > Why are my Jonagolds not coloring? Can this be an issue if they have a > heavy crop? > > > > Art Kelly > Kelly Orchards > Acton, Maine > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Deer Damage
Kurt, The same applies here. I forgot and left the gate open one night, closed it the next morning when I left and locked a big Mule Deer buck inside. He got his rack hooked under a lower wire, ran like crazy and broke off 46 trees at the graft union. I had to chase him on a 4 wheeler and drive him out. Everyone around here fights the deer problem, but our 8 ft. fence is 100%. It is a super cheap investment. On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote: > Hello Fellow Growers, > > > > We maintain over 10 linear miles of 8 foot high woven wire fence with two > additional strands of high tensile above to give us 9 feet total. It is > the best investment we have ever made in our farming operation. Perhaps > equally important to our irrigation. You will never fully appreciate how > much crop you are losing each year until you fully exclude the deer from > your fields and orchards. Naturally we still back up any intrusion by > providing the deer with lead pills. > > > > We tried all of the repellents, then had electric, but nothing works like > the woven wire fences. > > > > Best, > > > > Kurt > > > > *Kurt W. Alstede* > > General Manager, > > Alstede Farms, LLC > > P.O. Box 278 > > 1 Alstede Farms Lane, > > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > > United States of America > > > > Tel: 908-879-7189 > > Fax: 908-879-7815 > > www.alstedefarms.com > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *Hugh Thomas > *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:49 AM > *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Deer Damage > > > > I tried everything I could find out here in Montana - the commericial > products, bars of soap, sprayed-on soap and somethings I forgot. I found > the solution with an eight-foot hi tensile wire fence around our property. > The MSU research station near us has an eight foot electric fence, and the > mule deer get on their sides and squirm under the lower wire. > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Pat Curran > wrote: > > A few years ago I experienced a significant amount of deer damage on new > plantings & requested a depravation permit from the Illinois DNR. They > suggested a product called Plant Skid, & said it had worked well in other > locations. I did so, and it definitely helped the situation. It also > works well on vegetable plots when sprayed around the perimeter. The > drawback is that it must be resprayed after rain washes it off. > > Having said that, I concur with others on this list. . . the best > deterrent is lead. > > > Pat Curran > Currans Orchard > 6385 Kilburn Avenue > Rockford, Illinois 61101 > 815-963-7848 > p...@curransorchard.com > www.curransorchard.com > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Deer Damage
I tried everything I could find out here in Montana - the commericial products, bars of soap, sprayed-on soap and somethings I forgot. I found the solution with an eight-foot hi tensile wire fence around our property. The MSU research station near us has an eight foot electric fence, and the mule deer get on their sides and squirm under the lower wire. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Pat Curran wrote: > A few years ago I experienced a significant amount of deer damage on new > plantings & requested a depravation permit from the Illinois DNR. They > suggested a product called Plant Skid, & said it had worked well in other > locations. I did so, and it definitely helped the situation. It also > works well on vegetable plots when sprayed around the perimeter. The > drawback is that it must be resprayed after rain washes it off. > > Having said that, I concur with others on this list. . . the best > deterrent is lead. > > > Pat Curran > Currans Orchard > 6385 Kilburn Avenue > Rockford, Illinois 61101 > 815-963-7848 > p...@curransorchard.com > www.curransorchard.com > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Apple-crop address change
Here in Western Montana we had a few weeks of above average temps and the bloom on our trees was huge. I'm new at apples and didn't realize how much the trees were going to be over loaded with fruitlets. Now I have to thin like crazy. The third leaf Honeycrisp trees have about 200 apples per tree, some may have a lot more than that. After all of this fruit set, the weather turned cooler than average for a about 2-3 weeks, and the fruitlets are about 10mm. Tomorrow is going to be in the mid 70's with several 80 degrees days following, so I'm spraying Sevin+Maxcel hoping to knock-off about 80% of these apples. Anyone with ideas would be appreciated... On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Jon Clements wrote: > Hi everyone, after many year of apple-c...@virtualorchard.net, the list > address has changed to apple-crop@virtualorchard.com. Please use the > latter address when posting to apple-crop from hereon out. > > That being said, anyone care to comment on the crop conditions out there? > Here in Massachusetts, after a long spring, with considerable freeze damage > to apple buds in early April, we are finally seeing what is left. It varies > from orchard to orchard, but on average we are probably looking at 75-80% > of an average crop of just over 1 million bushels. Could be better, could > be worse. Still a long way to go though... > > -- > Jon Clements > aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin St. > Belchertown, MA 01007 > 413-478-7219 > umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] National Academy of Sciences finds GMOs to be 'safe'
Table salt is "safe," but a box of it over a short time frame will kill you. A man died in Germany (back in the 1980's) when he drank 20L of water over a 24 hour period. In the early 1900's (1903 I think) Scientific American magazine had an article stating how crazy driving an automobile was, in that, "people were sitting on a bomb.." meaning the gas tank full of gasoline. The deeper problem is the erroneous concept of artificiality. Aristotle referred to the false idea that scientific experiments can’t be valid because they are “artificial,” that is, man made. His premise was that humans are separate from nature. Could be he saw the Earth as natural and humans as Gods. The Christian doctrine also views man as an outsider, the evil beings that screwed-up the Garden of Eden, an otherwise perfect place. I suspect these premises are the basis of the environmental movement. Everything man does is natural. Humans are natural to the earth, if humans make GMO’s, then GMO’s are a natural outcome of the actions of a naturally occurring animal that populates the earth. GMO’s are far safer than the thousands of trillions of tons of poisons plants manufacture in the “natural environment.” For the most part, the 100% natural is what we need to avoid and change. On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Jerry Frecon wrote: > It is not necessary because we have good apples. If we were planting > papayas and needed disease resistant varieties to keep our planting alive > then we would plant GMO varieties as the papaya industry has. It all > comes down to risk benefit. The term safe does not imply bias but the fact > that they are safe. Good science. > > > > *Jerome L "Jerry" Frecon* > > *Professor Emeritus, Rutgers University* > > *Horticultural Consultant* > > > > *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On > Behalf Of *Jon Clements > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:53 PM > *To:* apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] National Academy of Sciences finds GMOs to be > 'safe' > > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/17/national-academy-of-sciences-finds-gmos-to-be-safe/ > > > > Anybody rushing out to order Arctic Apples now? Does the 'safe' in quotes > imply bias? > > > > Jon > > > > * > > Old: apple-c...@virtualorchard.net; New: apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > > > > -- > > Jon Clements > aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin St. > Belchertown, MA 01007 > 413-478-7219 > umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
