Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt
Thanks Bill! I will attempt the move to the trellis. One of the varieties I planted this year was green tip(ing) before I could even get them in the ground. That was less than 24 hours out of the nursery and soaking overnight. They are the furthest along and doing great. So I keep a glimmer of hope. Also, thanks for "burl". I'm still building the vocabulary. Tommy and Art, thanks for the info, sounds like this move is riskier than the Fall move. Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketer So. Cal. Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt Fleming, William Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:37:49 -0700 My experience is the burl (ball) is the rootstock. I wouldn't worry about it rooting. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Ln Corvallis, Montana From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Rye Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:48 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt I don't have a whole lot of choice, I promised my wife I would only use the space while she wasn't using it. She's going to replant soon since it is Spring. Also, the trees already started out poking out of the cage a bit, a year's growth will exceed the size of the cage. When I moved those trees originally, I considered them lost. So if any survive the move back to the orchard, that's a gain. I have some vitamin-B hopefully that will reduce the shock. So since the "ball" has roots on the underside, can I still consider them size controlled by the rootstock? Everything I have read says "don't let the scion root. Reason: you'll lose the size controlling nature of the rootstock" the scion has not rooted. Also read, "after settling, mound the dirt up to just under the ball" i.e. "keep the ball out of the dirt". But no reason why is given that I have found, could be merely a buffer zone between the dirt and scion. What is the reason to keep the ball out of the dirt? What is the implication of roots coming from the ball (underside)? Can I just clip them like any rootsucker? If I've lost the size controlling nature of the rootstock I don't want those two trees on the trellis. If I still have the size controlling nature of the rootstock, I don't want to plant them on their own and have to stake them, I would rather train them back on the trellis. Thanks for your reading. Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketer So. Cal. Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt Tommy and Sandy Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:35:23 -0700 Dear sir, It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves extended. They need to be dormant to move them without much shock. Tommy Bruguiere Dickie Bros. Orchard - Original Message - From: Rye To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt. The underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not. Are there any implications? I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root. I didn't pay enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball and some scion were buried. Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout healthy leaves. I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard. With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing the size controlling nature of the rootstock? Again, the scions did not root. The answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back on the trellis or free standing in the periphery. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt
My experience is the burl (ball) is the rootstock. I wouldn't worry about it rooting. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Ln Corvallis, Montana From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Rye Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:48 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt I don't have a whole lot of choice, I promised my wife I would only use the space while she wasn't using it. She's going to replant soon since it is Spring. Also, the trees already started out poking out of the cage a bit, a year's growth will exceed the size of the cage. When I moved those trees originally, I considered them lost. So if any survive the move back to the orchard, that's a gain. I have some vitamin-B hopefully that will reduce the shock. So since the "ball" has roots on the underside, can I still consider them size controlled by the rootstock? Everything I have read says "don't let the scion root. Reason: you'll lose the size controlling nature of the rootstock" the scion has not rooted. Also read, "after settling, mound the dirt up to just under the ball" i.e. "keep the ball out of the dirt". But no reason why is given that I have found, could be merely a buffer zone between the dirt and scion. What is the reason to keep the ball out of the dirt? What is the implication of roots coming from the ball (underside)? Can I just clip them like any rootsucker? If I've lost the size controlling nature of the rootstock I don't want those two trees on the trellis. If I still have the size controlling nature of the rootstock, I don't want to plant them on their own and have to stake them, I would rather train them back on the trellis. Thanks for your reading. Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketer So. Cal. Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt Tommy and Sandy Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:35:23 -0700 Dear sir, It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves extended. They need to be dormant to move them without much shock. Tommy Bruguiere Dickie Bros. Orchard - Original Message - From: Rye To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt. The underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not. Are there any implications? I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root. I didn't pay enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball and some scion were buried. Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout healthy leaves. I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard. With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing the size controlling nature of the rootstock? Again, the scions did not root. The answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back on the trellis or free standing in the periphery. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt
I don't have a whole lot of choice, I promised my wife I would only use the space while she wasn't using it. She's going to replant soon since it is Spring. Also, the trees already started out poking out of the cage a bit, a year's growth will exceed the size of the cage. When I moved those trees originally, I considered them lost. So if any survive the move back to the orchard, that's a gain. I have some vitamin-B hopefully that will reduce the shock. So since the "ball" has roots on the underside, can I still consider them size controlled by the rootstock? Everything I have read says "don't let the scion root. Reason: you'll lose the size controlling nature of the rootstock" the scion has not rooted. Also read, "after settling, mound the dirt up to just under the ball" i.e. "keep the ball out of the dirt". But no reason why is given that I have found, could be merely a buffer zone between the dirt and scion. What is the reason to keep the ball out of the dirt? What is the implication of roots coming from the ball (underside)? Can I just clip them like any rootsucker? If I've lost the size controlling nature of the rootstock I don't want those two trees on the trellis. If I still have the size controlling nature of the rootstock, I don't want to plant them on their own and have to stake them, I would rather train them back on the trellis. Thanks for your reading. Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketer So. Cal. Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt Tommy and Sandy Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:35:23 -0700 Dear sir, It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves extended. They need to be dormant to move them without much shock. Tommy Bruguiere Dickie Bros. Orchard - Original Message - From: Rye To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt. The underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not. Are there any implications? I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root. I didn't pay enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball and some scion were buried. Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout healthy leaves. I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard. With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing the size controlling nature of the rootstock? Again, the scions did not root. The answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back on the trellis or free standing in the periphery. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt
We have successfully transplanted trees (200 Macoun M9) just before leaf abscission. The leaves easily strip off and then the trees were moved. This was late October here in Maine. Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Tommy and Sandy wrote: > Dear sir, > It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves > extended. They need to be dormant to move them without much shock. > Tommy Bruguiere > Dickie Bros. Orchard > - Original Message - > From: Rye > To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM > Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt > > I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt. The > underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not. Are there any > implications? > > I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall > because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root. I didn't pay > enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball > and some scion were buried. > > Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout > healthy leaves. I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard. > With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing > the size controlling nature of the rootstock? Again, the scions did not > root. The answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back > on the trellis or free standing in the periphery. > > Thanks, > > Rye Hefley > Future Farmers Marketer > So. Cal. > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
