Re: [apple-crop] Apple variety TOGO
Are you sure you are not confusing the variety Toko with Togo? The parentage, origin and description sound like Toko, Jerome L Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I Rutgers University - NJAES Cooperative Extension of Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, NJ 08312 856 307-6450 Ext 1 (Office) 856 307-6476 Fax http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu www:jerseypeaches.com http://aesop.rutgers.edu/~frecon/ _ From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Chiranjit Parmar Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple variety TOGO Dear (I wish I knew your name) Sir, This is what I have found about TOGO at the net. * Parentage: Golden Delicious x Indo Origin: Japan , Introduced: 1963 ,Developed by: Aomori Apple Research Station. Excels in the South. Taste a hint of cinnamon in every bite with these unique apples. I am not sure if TOGO and Cinnamon Spice are same. Dr. Chiranjit Parmar www.fruitipedia.com From: Once mailto:goodf...@onceuponameadow.com Upon a Meadow Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:02 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple variety TOGO I've never heard of a variety named Togo, but there are a number of old varieties that are said to have a spice flavor. Cinnamon Spice is the first I think of, but there's also a Golden Spice, Russet Spice, Darcy Spice etc. You can find all of those varietes (at least as scion wood cuttings) here http://maplevalleyorchards.com/Pages/ScionWood.aspx I go to them when I'm trying to find something obscure, or to Big Horse Creek Farm http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/descriptions1.htm The Granite Beauty is also said to have a hint of spice to it, but they describe it as Cardamom and not Cinnamon. I have a few Granite Beauties we grafted to rootstock last year, so we're still a little ways from getting any fruit. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think there might be a limbertwig variety that is described with a spice note too. Do you know anything else about Togo besides that it is supposed to have a spice flavor? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Hugh Thomas hughthoma...@gmail.com wrote: Chiranjit, Have a look at this: http://www.starkbros.com/products/fruit-trees/apple-trees/cinnamon-spice-app le;jsessionid=F08D8AD63301D097ABB21FAA61AA9F54 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Dr. Chiranjit Parmar parmarch_...@dataone.in wrote: Dear all, I am told that there is a variety of apple named TOGO which has a spicy cinnmon like flavour. Is it correct? Please tell me. Dr. Chiranjit Parmar www.fruitipedia.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop _ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Pellenc 2000 Battery Operated Pruner
Can any one tell me where I can get a new battery for a Pellenc 2000 battery operated pruner in the US. I can't get my battery charged any more. Jerome L Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I Rutgers University - NJAES Cooperative Extension of Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, NJ 08312 856 307-6450 Ext 1 (Office) 856 307-6476 Fax http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu www:jerseypeaches.com http://aesop.rutgers.edu/~frecon/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] arsenic in apple juice
I would refer you to this site for an explanation of lead arsenate use. http://soils.tfrec.wsu.edu/leadhistory.htm I would refer your to the US Apple Association site for an explanation of the arsenic in apple juice information. http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm271394.htm I have worked with orchards having pesticide remediation problems and I think it is highly unlikely the micro minute quantities of arsenic in apple juice are coming from old orchard soils because arsenic is very persistent and if it could be pulled out of the soil by a plant like an apple tree we would have ways to remediate the soil. Arsenic also occurs naturally in the soil and is located in soils that were never in an agricultural crop. Yes you can get a soil test for just about any chemical if you request that to the soil testing laboratory when you submit the sample and if they have the expertise to test for that chemical. You will not get it on a fertility test like most of the agricultural laboratories perform. The word safe is a vague term. Do you consider caffeine safe? Food additives?, medicines? Pesticides used in organic agriculture safe? I don't think your chemical testing laboratory can answer that question. I have always been taught the dose makes the toxin. Certainly the dose and exposure relate to the carcinogen. Would the minute quantities of arsenic in the soil harm you? Would these minute quantities in apple juice harm anyone. We each have our own opinion and try and depend on institutions like the FDA to make these safety determinations. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent Rutgers NJAES Cooperative Extension _ From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of lee elliott Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:32 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: [apple-crop] arsenic in apple juice There is a lot in the news about arsenic being found in apple juice. It's not clear if it's imported or domestic juice, My guess is the problem is related to old orchard ground still being used that is poluted with lead and arsenic from years of spraying. I own some unplanted ground that granddad grew apples on in the 1920s and 1930's.. I have a photo of him sitting on a bulldozer pulling a huge sprayer with a platform on top,a man on top hosing 30 foot trees with arsenic of lead, they soaked them good, I think they used DDT too later on. Would soil test tell if this ground is safe? What level of arsenic found in soil is safe? Does it mater if the arsenic is organic or nonorganic? Does arsenic and lead,or DDT persist in soil or does it break down. How do I know if this ground is safe to grow anything? Lee Elliott, Apple Hill of Scott County, Winchester, Illinois ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Peach orchard
Not really the figures I quoted you is based on 30 year of experience with growers telling me what they can afford to pay for peach land. I have factored in inflation. There are so many variables. Wholesale peach price are quite variable from .37 to .52 per pound FOB for US No#1 Extra fruit. At least 50- 60 % of that price is needed to cover harvesting, handling, storage, and other marketing costs. What is left cover is supposed to cover your investment and production costs. I could write a lot more about this but I don't want to make the message too long. If you can grow and market your entire crop without the influence of the government, competition and better control the cost of marketing and distribution you may be able to set a price(think high) that may cover your investment and the cost of production. Good luck. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Mark Angermayer Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:13 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Peach orchard Thanks for the feedback gentlemen, Jerry, based upon the link, I'm not understanding how you came up w/ $8000/acre. Can you elaborate? It seems like revenue/bu is wildly variable throughout the country. Here, wholesale prices for local peaches run about $25/lug. Retail at farmer's markets run about $12 for 1/2 peck. Comments? Mark - Original Message - From: maurice tougas mailto:appleman.maur...@gmail.com To: Apple-crop discussion list mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Peach orchard The most important factor in determining the profitability of an orchard is the price received for the fruit. This was take home message at IFTA meeting in Pasco,WA a couple of weeks ago, and one that I've always maintained. It's simple. Do your budgets with $10 bushel price vs $50 bushel and see what happens! Mo Tougas Tougas Family Farm On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Jerome Frecon fre...@aesop.rutgers.edu wrote: This pdf on the crop alternatives site may help you with a small orchard. ON our state you cannot have a profitable peach orchard if you buying land for more than $8,000 per acre. http://agalternatives.aers.psu.edu/Publications/peachprod.pdf Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Mark Angermayer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:02 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] Peach orchard We currently have what I call a micro orchard of mostly peaches. The planting is on basically 3/4 of an acre. I sell part time to a farmers market and at roadside. Demand is excellent in this area for local peaches. Farmer's markets do a brisk volume and there is only one other peach grower of any significance in the immediate area. We've been looking for some land to start a real orchard. We've found some land for sale that we are considering making an offer on and have some questions before we do anything. Here are a few for starters. In terms of the economics, what is a reasonable price/acre to pay for land and make a reasonable return selling most the crop retail? The land is 7 miles away from my home. Is this too far? Are there others out there who successfully manage orchards off their home site? What are some of the problems associated with having an orchard several miles away? I'd appreciate any comments in this regard. Thanks, Mark Angermayer Tubby Fruits ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Maurice Tougas Tougas Family Farm Northborough,MA 01532 508-450-0844 _ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop attachment: image001.gif___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Peach orchard
This pdf on the crop alternatives site may help you with a small orchard. ON our state you cannot have a profitable peach orchard if you buying land for more than $8,000 per acre. http://agalternatives.aers.psu.edu/Publications/peachprod.pdf Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Mark Angermayer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:02 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] Peach orchard We currently have what I call a micro orchard of mostly peaches. The planting is on basically 3/4 of an acre. I sell part time to a farmers market and at roadside. Demand is excellent in this area for local peaches. Farmer's markets do a brisk volume and there is only one other peach grower of any significance in the immediate area. We've been looking for some land to start a real orchard. We've found some land for sale that we are considering making an offer on and have some questions before we do anything. Here are a few for starters. In terms of the economics, what is a reasonable price/acre to pay for land and make a reasonable return selling most the crop retail? The land is 7 miles away from my home. Is this too far? Are there others out there who successfully manage orchards off their home site? What are some of the problems associated with having an orchard several miles away? I'd appreciate any comments in this regard. Thanks, Mark Angermayer Tubby Fruits ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World?
Bill: It appears the author of the article in Slate is making the claims about feeding and yields but the data he presents was the result of research done by an economist at the USDA. The author lists the USDA web site where the 2008 study is described. I read it and I do not see all of the claims the author makes in the article on the USDA site. It thus appears he is documenting the results in his article by mentioning the USDA site and giving us the link. Thus I do not see how he is not trying to be biased. Many authors in non refereed publications or all forms of media put their own spin on things, I am not sure if that constitutes being biased? Some of the authors claims seem plausible. You mention many things in your response, some of which seem possible. If you or Rodale could provide some documented or peer reviewed science to better explain these statements this would be an excellent rebuttal to the authors claims. For example your mention The average cost of 20 years of organic food production in Italy remains less than conventional fruits and vegetables with 55,000 certified growers who feed all the school systemsHas there been a peer reviewed study done with documentation on this subject. I am always hungry for good science based information on organic agriculture. I think statements in the article like the following hurt scientists trying to publish information about organic agriculture As Jason Clay, senior vice president of the World Wildlife Fund, http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/a-hybrid-path-to-feeding-9-bil lion-on-a-still-green-planet/ writes, I think we need a new kind of agriculture-kind of a third agriculture, between the big agribusiness, commercial approach to agriculture, and the lessons from organic and local systems. There are so many contradictions in this statement Is he saying that we need agriculture that is not treated as an agribusiness or commercial? In other words new agriculture is not supposed to generate revenue or be operated at a profit? And the lessons from organic and locals systems? Is he saying that all organic and local farmers are not commercial and are not agricultural businesses. This is idiocy. There is no one I hold in higher esteem than a local organic farmer who is commercial and is a viable agribusiness that generates significant revenue and yields, and make a acceptable profit. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sciarappa Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 3:57 PM To: 'Dave Schmitt'; 'Apple-crop discussion list'; agst...@aesop.rutgers.edu; agfacu...@aesop.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World? Thanks for the article Dave. The main fallacy in it's undocumented and biased assertion (same as Rodale's political advocacy approach) is extrapolating apples to oranges. Comparing US certified production to anything gives a false impression. Our American organic effort lags far behind Australia, China, South America and most parts of Europe. Some certification in these countries is more stringent than US and some is not certified at all yet better in quality than US. Incorporating global organic uncertified would paint a very different and more equitable picture. Regardless, if unlimited human population growth occurs, there will be even more food scarcity and food riots but largely because of a distribution chain problem in less accessible places and human populations that cannot economically afford to pay. The average cost of 20 years of organic food production in Italy remains less than conventional fruits and vegetables with 55,000 certified growers who feed all the school systems. That's existing real world evidence that is gaining in European ag every year. USA policy and economic development funding has done all it can to retard such sustainable growth. Bill Sciarappa From: Dave Schmitt [mailto:schm...@aesop.rutgers.edu] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 2:54 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list; agst...@aesop.rutgers.edu; agfacu...@aesop.rutgers.edu Subject: Can Organic Agriculture Feed the World? Interesting piece in Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2287746/ -- attachment: image002.gifattachment: image003.jpg___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
RE: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple pix posted
Has anyone gotten the name yet My second guess would be Ralls but I no Chris guessed that before. Jerry Frecon -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Yoder, Keith Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:21 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple pix posted Jerry and all, No one has gotten the correct answer so far. I have posted some new images of the mystery apple near the top of my disease update web site at: http://arecs.vaes.vt.edu/arec.cfm?webname=winchestersection=about_ussubsec tion=12368PID=ksyoder This apple was discovered in Virginia in the 1800s. Although I picked Tuesday, it was slightly overripe and may have been near optimum 2-3 weeks ago. The color is like a Stayman, and it seems to have more red color than descriptions of it indicate. I know I have eaten it as ripe when it had much less red color than this. Some people don't want me to tell them what it is yet, so I may add some clues as we go along. It does come up with a Google search using its name and apple so I'm tying to avoid certain descriptive keywords at this point. Keith S. Yoder Research and Extension Tree Fruit Pathologist Virginia Tech AREC 595 Laurel Grove Rd. Winchester, VA 22602 From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jerome Frecon [fre...@aesop.rutgers.edu] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:29 PM To: 'Apple-Crop' Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple? The picture is out of focus and it is hard to see the shape, no basin shots.. for the late season I would guess Baldwin. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jon Clements Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:56 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple? Mystery apple? Grown in northern Virginia, courtesy Keith Yoder, Virginia Tech. Just harvested. Likely an antique variety from the area. Note the short stem and rather pronounced lenticel spotting. http://yfrog.com/3lih8j P.S. He knows what it is and 5 bucks is riding on it. Jon -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. = -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
RE: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple?
The picture is out of focus and it is hard to see the shape, no basin shots. for the late season I would guess Baldwin. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jon Clements Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:56 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Apple-Crop: Mystery apple? Mystery apple? Grown in northern Virginia, courtesy Keith Yoder, Virginia Tech. Just harvested. Likely an antique variety from the area. Note the short stem and rather pronounced lenticel spotting. http://yfrog.com/3lih8j P.S. He knows what it is and 5 bucks is riding on it. Jon -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
RE: Apple-Crop: Real or not?
This is a chimera and if the flesh is red it may be called a sectoral chimera meaning a whole section of various layers of tissue have mutated in deference to chimeras that usually occur in one specific layer of tissue. For example, one of the most common is a mutation on the skin where the whole surface or a section of the surface mutates. I am sure geneticists could explain better. I have seen 100s of chimeras in plants. Some of the commons are Red Bartletts, Other Red pears, some of the early Red galas, Triple Red Delicious types, thornless brambles, compact or brachytic type apples and peaches. I used to get many samples when I was research director at a large nursery and people would send them in as new varieties. Also when a new variety was grown in a scion orchard and cut back severely you could see chimeras on some varieties originate from adventitious buds below the outer layers of tissue. This is why new varieties should be propagated from fruiting trees until they are stable. Dr. Dan Dayton of the University of Illinois wrote a review article of chimeras in the sixties and I believe it was Dr. Charlotte Pratt at Cornell that used to a lot of work with chimeras and has published articles on them. I cannot recall if I ever saw a chimera in a Golden Delicious, but have seen red apples with yellow sections of tissue Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Rutgers New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu _ From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jourdain Jean-Marc Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:13 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Real or not? Hello all. I am used with chimeric mutations forward and backward on red del, gala strains but never saw one for golden. Never heard about red mutants from Golden, it drives my opinion to this being a fake, but I would be pleased if this mutant would be from real life, and would be pleased to have related information on this topic from members too. In case it is a chimeric mutant (the cells with the mutation are not in the core of the meristem, but in a second ring of cells) then possibly the shoot at the base of the fruit will give some buds with totally red apples and totally yellow ones. Chance to get one more apple with half red color are very poor imha. Jean Marc Jourdain Jourdain(at)ctifl.fr Ctifl France _ De : apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] De la part de Evan B. Milburn Envoyé : lundi 5 octobre 2009 17:27 À : Apple-Crop Objet : Re: Apple-Crop: Real or not? No big deal! I see this quite often in our orchard. I'm sure all commerical growers have too. Evan Milburn Milburnorchards.com --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Daniel Cooley dcoo...@microbio.umass.edu wrote: From: Daniel Cooley dcoo...@microbio.umass.edu Subject: Apple-Crop: Real or not? To: Apple-Crop apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:43 AM Personally, I think this is the pomological equivalent of the Piltdown Man, made easy by the developmen of Photoshop, but I'm open to opposing views. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6229243/Million-to-o ne-apple-is-half-red-half-green.html -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchardhttp://www.virtualorchard.net http://www.virtualorchard.net/ and managed by Win Cowgill and JonClements webmas...@virtualorchard.net http://us.mc561.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmas...@virtualorchard.net . Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not representofficial opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility forthe content.
RE: Apple-Crop: apples in Indonesia
Two low chill apples Anna and Ein Shemer was introduced by Abba Stein in Doar Na Shomron, Isreal in 1963. The were both low chill apples and sold and planted in low chill areas of the United States for many years. May be this was the same Anna apple. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension, Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jim Rahe Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:57 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Apple-Crop: apples in Indonesia Dear all, A belated reply to Dr. Chiranjit Parmar's email of 2/17/09 regarding apples growing in Jawa, Indonesia that might be of interest of apple growers in temperate climates. I had the privilege of visiting this area, Batu Malang, approximately 100 km south of Surabaya in the eastern part of Jawa in 1991. It's a short drive out of the city of Malang (In the Indonesian language, 'batu' means 'rock', so Batu Malang means Malang's rock or hill. You can locate Malang on most maps of Indonesia, but not Batu Malang because it's relatively small). It was an amazing, eye opening experience. Batu Malang is, or at least was in 1991, a relatively prosperous town whose economy is largely derived from growth of apples and container nursery stock. The area is at about 1500 metres elevation, with an idyllic climate of daytime highs in the mid 20's and nighttime lows in the upper teens, centigrade. It appears that the trick to getting around the absence of winter chilling is to defoliate the trees by hand immediately after harvest. This throws the trees into a pseudo dormancy and new blossom buds break 6-8 weeks later. The area as a whole produces fresh apples 12 month of the year, with individual growers producing in Jan/Jul, Feb/ Aug, Mar/Sept, . The apples are exported to major cities throughout Indonesia, not only on Jawa but distant islands such as Sulawesi. (We lived in Manado, North Sulawesi from Aug 90-92, and apples from Batu Malang were often available in some of the commercial grocery stores, but not local markets.) There were four main varieties of apples being grown at Batu Malang, one of which was called 'Biasa', which means 'common' or 'nothing special', in the Indonesian language. It was commonly used for cooking and I was told that it was a Red Rome, although it was a nondescript yellowish color rather than red. Anna was another variety grown at Batu Malang. Anna is believed to have originated in Thailand, and is noted for having a low chilling requirement. One of the many unanswered questions that I have regarding growing apples in the tropics is whether the defoliation 'trick' would work with any or most varieties, or whether the four varieties being grown at Batu Malang are unusual in that defoliation can be substituted for winter chilling on these varieties but perhaps not others. Certainly, high elevation is a factor. Near Manado where my family lived in North Sulawesi, we saw apples being grown, albeit with very limited success, at the village of Tomohon, at an elevation of ~1200 meters. I was also informed that apples were being grown at high elevations on the Island of Irian Jaya, in the easternmost part of Indonesia. Although growing apples in the tropics was a surprise to me, and probably would be to most pomologists, it has been known long enough that the Indonsesian Ministry of Agiculture had a published handbook on methods of apple cultivation that I was able to obtain from the Batu Malang Research Station in 1992. There is also a Government Research Station at Batu Malang, with a research orchard. There I learned that defoliation does not work on stone fruits, but is being tried on several other temperate climate fruits. Jim Rahe -- Annie's Orchard 4092-248th Street Aldergrove, B.C. V4W 1B5 604-856-3041 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Apple-Crop: For Peach, Nectarine and Wine Grape Growers only
Yes I know that this is an apple list but many also grow or market peaches and nectarines, and a few wine grapes. Next Wednesday September 5, starting at 4 p.m. we are having our annual Fruit Variety showcase. We have about 200 varieties and samples of peaches, nectarines and wine grapes stored and freshly harvested to show. I have attached the program and you can go to our website for http://gloucester.njaes.rutgers.edu for additional information including directions to our building in Clayton, New Jersey, just south of Glassboro and about 20-30 minutes southwest of the Philadelphia airport. The fruit will stay out for display until 9 p.m. If you have something unique bring it a long to show others. Jerome L. Jerry Frecon Agricultural Agent I (Professor 1) Gloucester County Extension Department Head Cooperative Extension of Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive, Clayton, N.J. 08312 Phone 856 307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 http://gloucester.rce.rutgers.edu --- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
RE: Apple-Crop: Time article
In New Jersey all local growers who apply pesticides are certified and licensed. They could not buy or spray pesticides unless they received the necessary training and certification. They also must follow stringent label regulations from the federal government. Many also follow Integrated Pest Management Guidelines from Rutgers Cooperative Extension. For these reasons I think our local organic and conventional growers are honest and of the highest integrity. I also value local growers because they are a tax benefit to my community in a state where property taxes are a big issue, they employ local people, they support a diversified business and community infrastructure, they conserve water and recharge groundwater, they maintain thousands of acres of contiguous woodland, buffers, and prevent soil erosion, the preserve open space, provide wildlife habitat, etc. etc. It is much more enjoyable experience to take my family and drive through farmland and visit a local farm than it is to get in my car and drive to the local mega giant super center that selling cheap produce from a distant location. Jerome L. Frecon Ag Agent and County Extension Dept. Head Rutgers Cooperative Research and Extension Of Gloucester County 1200 North Delsea Drive Clayton, N.J. 08312 856307-6450 Ext 1 Fax 856 307-6476 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gloucester.rcre.rutgers.edu -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:23 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Kurt, I actually agree with you that you, and other farmers, are probably better served by the personal relationship than they would be by certification alone (nothing, I might add, prevents one from benefiting from both). My point was that the consumer's trust is based mostly on the good feelings from the personal relationship, even though there is no demonstrable correlation between this and the things that people claim to value about food production methods. And the physician example is in fact perfectly apropos. Firstly, because physicians are certified, and required to periodically re-certify in their chose area of practice. I suspect it matters a great deal to most people that their doctor actually graduated from medical school, finished a residency, and is regularly re-certified in their speciality. Secondly, it is true that people do choose physicians on recommendations, and personal trust. And, it's a lousy way to choose them. Having been involved research on clinical outcomes, I can say quite certainly that the fact that a physician appears competent, caring and trustworthy is very poorly correlated with whether or not they produce above or below average results for their patients. Many well-loved physicians are, statistically at least, a very bad bet for your health. This of course hardly bolsters my case for certification. Despite our best efforts to certify physician competence, there is still a huge variance in quality. However, there is an important difference between organic certification and doctor certification: organic certification certifies methods, not knowledge alone. There is a movement afoot in the medical field to start doing this with hospitals (if you can't verify that every post heart-attack patient is getting the most proven effective drug regimen, you may lose your blessing as a cardiac care center); organic already does this with horticultural practice. All of this is not to say that I think organic is an altogether great thing. I don't actually like the direction that organic has taken in the last 20 years; many of the regulations in the current certification are to my mind just plain wrong headed. And I certainly think that a local, ecologically-minded agriculture is preferable in many ways to a distant, organically certified one. But, how am I know to that my local grower is following best horticultural, pesticide, and ecological practice. Trust? Not alone. On this one I'm with Ronald Reagan, trust but verify. That is the value of certification. Which bring me back to my starting point: this isn't an either or. Can't there be a certification program for ecologically sound agriculture that steers clear of the silliness in the organic standards, and which tells me something useful about what is going on the farm? At 02:18 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: Fellow Growers, I think that Steve's conclusion about the gullibility of consumers is a little misdirected. I have found that what consumers (people) really value and desire in America is personal relationships. Certification may well serve and be necessary for the 900 mile local model as well as the box stores but I believe that it has been born out of the realization of these retailers that they must somehow compete with the consumer desire to have a personal
