Re: [apple-crop] horticulture

[Jill Kelly]

Yes, it is relatively high density, Spencer and Honeycrisp on M26 at 5 X15.  
The limbs average about 2" in diameter and the leader is around 3".  Some of 
the trees have 2-3 of these large limbs.  When I pruned them in 2014 and pruned 
out the highest big limb I often got a vigorous upright shoot that I don't 
think is going to make a suitable renewal limb.  We are talking random trees so 
the task of maybe spreading these shoots is easily overlooked.  I was thinking 
that if I pruned out the lowest big limb that maybe there would be a little 
more suppression of that renewal shoot and it would grow at a wider angle and 
less vigorously.
'
On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Dave Schmitt wrote:

> Hi Art,
>  
> It’s hard to make a recommendation without seeing what you are talking about 
> . Assuming this is a high density planting and you like where the branch is 
> placed you can make a “dutch” or bevel cut to renew and weaken the branch. If 
> you have to choose between the two the higher limb would be my first choice.
>  
> From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
> [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelly
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:52 AM
> To: Apple-Crop
> Subject: [apple-crop] horticulture
>  
> Enough of the depressing stuff.  If you have some trees that have developed 
> some overly large limbs (>50% of the diameter where it joins the leader) in 
> the bottom of the tree should you prune out the highest large limb or the 
> lowest large limb, not wanting to prune them all out for fear of over 
> invigorating the tree?  I'm heading out to prune now after some paperwork.  
> I'll save that block for later pending the advice you all give.
>  
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Re: [apple-crop] OBLR

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Glen.  Have you been getting the scouting reports we do and are they of 
any use to you?

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me
On Jul 3, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Glen Koehler wrote:

> Hi Art
>There is no OBLR pheromone trap treatment threshold that I know of.  As 
> Jon said, the traps are used for timing not threshold detection.
> 
>   That said, and with a big "buyer beware" cautionary note that we really 
> can't extrapolate from one pest to another, I still find it "informative" to 
> note that the MidAtlantic Orchard Monitoring Guide mentions three pheromone 
> trap based thresholds for apple Lep pests:  Codling moth (5 CM per week per 
> trap), Tufted apple budmoth (roughly 15 TABM per trap per week based on 
> Figure 11.1), and Lesser appleworm ( 5 LAW per trap per week, which is based 
> on the CM threshold, so maybe we can extrapolate between pests!).
> 
> The problem with using pheromone traps for thresholds is that the traps 
> attract males and the pest population depends on number of females laying 
> eggs, and the number of larvae of both sexes, neither of which may be very 
> well correlated with male captures in pheromone traps.  Add in the 
> variability caused by trap placement, wind direction, flight temperatures 
> etc., and it's not hard to see why pheromone traps are more useful as 
> presence/absence detectors for timing degree day models to estimate optimum 
> time for direct observation than for making population density measurements.
> 
>  When populations are low, I don't even trust pheromone traps that much 
> as biofix detectors unless a large number of traps are used and are regularly 
> checked.  My concern there is that with a low population and an inefficient 
> trapping system, the appearance of moths in the traps may be delayed past the 
> date when emergence began.  Thus it may be better to use both degree day 
> model to estimate the adult emergence date or other biofix and trapping and 
> compare them to decide which seems more realistic for setting biofix for 
> subsequent degree day estimate to identify optimum sampling date.   Of 
> course, is the population is high, only the pheromone traps will indicate 
> that.
> 
> My guess is that 7.5 per trap is definitely enough to schedule time for 
> making larval count, but not enough to lose sleep over until you get those 
> scouting results.  The threshold for larval observation is 3 infested 
> terminals with living OBLR larvae per 100 terminals checked.  The degree day 
> estimate for start of OBLR flight at Sanford Ag-Radar site near you was June 
> 18.  Based on that, the optimum sampling date is July 11, with a July 15 
> followup if the first check is below threshold.  ( I don't think the July 3 
> egg hatch date is relevant because your trap catch levels are not high enough 
> to indicate convincing need for treatment, so better to wait for scouting 
> observations.)
>  
>   I entered your June 20 biofix and that nudged the optimum scouting date 
> to July 13 with July 17 followup.  We'll make that part of the scouting visit 
> that week, but we will only be able to do one check vs. the recommended two 
> check protocol.
> 
> - Glen
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Jill Kelly  wrote:
> Thanks Jon.
> On Jul 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jon Clements wrote:
> 
>> Art, there is no "threshold" as far as I know. Pheromone traps are typically 
>> used to establish a biofix to time the best treatment. See:
>> 
>> http://www.fruitadvisor.info/tfruit/clements/models/oblr.html
>> 
>> According to AgRadar, you should be out spraying for this pest July 3 so you 
>> can relax on the 4th. But, your namesake tropical depression/storm/hurricane 
>> Arthur may have something to say about that too!
>> 
>> http://pronewengland.org/AllModels/MEmodel/ME-Sanford-InsectDates.htm
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Arthur Kelly  
>> wrote:
>> Is there a treatment threshold for pheromone trap captures for OBLR?  We 
>> averaged 7.5/trap today.  We trapped the first adults on 6/20, one per trap.
>> 
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Re: [apple-crop] OBLR

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Dennis.
On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:

> Is there a treatment threshold for pheromone trap captures for OBLR?  We 
> averaged 7.5/trap today.  We trapped the first adults on 6/20, one per trap.
> 
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Re: [apple-crop] OBLR

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Jon.
On Jul 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jon Clements wrote:

> Art, there is no "threshold" as far as I know. Pheromone traps are typically 
> used to establish a biofix to time the best treatment. See:
> 
> http://www.fruitadvisor.info/tfruit/clements/models/oblr.html
> 
> According to AgRadar, you should be out spraying for this pest July 3 so you 
> can relax on the 4th. But, your namesake tropical depression/storm/hurricane 
> Arthur may have something to say about that too!
> 
> http://pronewengland.org/AllModels/MEmodel/ME-Sanford-InsectDates.htm
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Arthur Kelly  wrote:
> Is there a treatment threshold for pheromone trap captures for OBLR?  We 
> averaged 7.5/trap today.  We trapped the first adults on 6/20, one per trap.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles

[Jill Kelly]

We use 1/2 rate from both sides for the coverage as opposed to full rate both 
sides.  Also you can mix for one block and then either add the water or more 
material for the other block.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Maine
On Jun 9, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Nick Lucking wrote:

> Vincent,
> 
> I would like to do alternate row spraying in the high density block and at 4 
> mph, I noticed poor coverage similar to what Peter mentioned.  Are you guys 
> going every row?  Also, my rows are very, very tight up against the deer 
> fence and that speed it was hard to get turned around without downshifting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nick Lucking
> Cannon Valley Orchard
> Cannon Falls, MN
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Re: [apple-crop] Tall spindle trellis

[Jill Kelly]

Row length Kevin.  We are at 30-35' between line posts.
On Feb 20, 2014, at 9:13 AM,  
 wrote:

> Hi Art;
> 
> Are you talking about total length of a row, or length between support
> posts?
> 
> Kevin Hauser
> Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
> Riverside, CA
> 
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:23:45 -0500, Arthur Kelly 
> wrote:
>> What is the longest length of trellis for tall spindle apple planting
> that
>> growers have experience with?
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Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management

[Jill Kelly]

Interstems do make for a more expensive tree.  Wasn't the thinking always to 
use interstems for a free standing, supported early years, well anchored but 
smaller tree?
On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Hugh Thomas wrote:

> Steven,
> Sorry for my ignorance, but why use interstems? 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Steven Bibula  wrote:
> I am sorry for not being clearer in my initial post.  My main question is 
> about Honeycrisp on various interstems managed with renewal pruning.  That 
> is, does anyone have experience with this.
> 
>  
> 
> Steven Bibula
> 
>  
> 
> From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
> [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Hugh Thomas
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:52 AM
> To: Apple-crop discussion list
> Subject: Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management
> 
>  
> 
> Rich,
> 
> I'm curious about your location and elevation.
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Rich Everett  wrote:
> 
> I have a couple acres of  honey crisp on different root stock and I'd tell 
> anyone that the tree is difficult to grow, susceptible to many diseases from 
> powdery mildew to pith and much more.  The apple taste great fresh, we've 
> juiced with the taste not very desirable for juice.  Again, the toughest 
> apple tree for us to grow and we have 15 varieties.  Good luck
> 
>  
> 
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jill Kelly  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've got Honeycrisp on M26 at 5X15 Steve.  The 5 looks pretty good but the 15 
> probably could had been 13.  Your welcome to come down to have a look 
> sometime.
> 
>  
> 
> Art Kelly
> 
> Kelly Orchards
> 
> Acton, Maine
> 
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Steven Bibula wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I plan to trial Honeycrisp on B.9/B.118, B.9/MM.111 and G.11/MM.111.  I also 
> plan to use renewal pruning, with no permanent limbs.  Considering Jon 
> Clements' recommendation for Honeycrisp on B.9 at 2 feet apart in the row, 
> any thoughts about spacing for these other combinations, or cautions?  My 
> thinking: If Honeycrisp on B.9 means waiting to crop until the third leaf, 
> maybe it is better to not rely heavily on Tall Spindle, but instead also go 
> with fewer trees on interstems (cheaper per acre) that will presumably last 
> longer, need less expensive support and still be trained to a compact, U-Pick 
> friendly fruiting wall.
> 
>  
> 
> Steven Bibula
> 
> Plowshares Community Farm
> 
> 236 Sebago Lake Road
> 
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Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management

[Jill Kelly]

I've got Honeycrisp on M26 at 5X15 Steve.  The 5 looks pretty good but the 15 
probably could had been 13.  Your welcome to come down to have a look sometime.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Maine
On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Steven Bibula wrote:

> I plan to trial Honeycrisp on B.9/B.118, B.9/MM.111 and G.11/MM.111.  I also 
> plan to use renewal pruning, with no permanent limbs.  Considering Jon 
> Clements' recommendation for Honeycrisp on B.9 at 2 feet apart in the row, 
> any thoughts about spacing for these other combinations, or cautions?  My 
> thinking: If Honeycrisp on B.9 means waiting to crop until the third leaf, 
> maybe it is better to not rely heavily on Tall Spindle, but instead also go 
> with fewer trees on interstems (cheaper per acre) that will presumably last 
> longer, need less expensive support and still be trained to a compact, U-Pick 
> friendly fruiting wall.
>  
> Steven Bibula
> Plowshares Community Farm
> 236 Sebago Lake Road
> Gorham ME 04038
> 207.239.0442
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Re: [apple-crop] Residual pesticide activity

[Jill Kelly]

I still think that water saturated ground will drown them.  They need oxygen to 
survive, even in the soil.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:

> Hi Art
> See paragraph in last newsletter.  Bottom line is sugar should also 
> increase efficacy of Assail and possibly Delegate against AM but nobody knows 
> if there would be other problems created by spraying sugar on apples.  I find 
> the slow start to AM catches perplexing.  Only speculation I have to explain 
> it is that they suffered high mortality in winter.  But that might be wishful 
> thinking.  Next few weeks will tell.
> - Glen
> 
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Arthur Kelly  wrote:
> There is a recommendation to add sugar when making an application of Assail 
> for SWD on berries to stimulate feeding.  1-2 lbs per hundred gal.  What 
> about for apples when using Assail or Delegate for instance?  My 
> understanding is that when first emerged the flies feed.  FYI we trapped the 
> first AM fly on 8/2 here.  Only one on five traps.
> 
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, David Kollas  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Thank you, Art.  It is always better to know whether the most-informed 
> have the answers; or whether, instead, they are not sure either.
> 
>   The uncertainty that Reissig expressed in his paper of 2003 apparently 
> continues now ten years later. In that paper he indicated the need for 
> additional research to assess practical aspects of replacing organophosphates 
> with newer chemistries in commercial orchards.
> 
>   A practical aspect of using Calyso or Assail in leu of Imidan that is 
> separate from their mode of action on Apple Maggot, is the 
> question of how to incorporate them into a label-compliant 
> resistance-management program that includes control of many pests in addition 
> to Apple Maggot. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
>  
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Arthur M. Agnello wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Harvey Reissig did a study on the efficacy of some of the newer products 
>> against apple maggot, and published it some years ago: 
>> 
>> Reissig, W. Harvey.  2003.  Field and Laboratory Tests of New Insecticides 
>> Against the Apple Maggot, Rhagoletis pomonella (Walsh) (Diptera: 
>> Tephritidae).   Journal of Economic Entomology 96 (5): 1463-1472 — I will 
>> send you a pdf of it in a separate email.  
>> 
>> However, his general findings were that there are no new insecticides that 
>> are as effective in controlling AM as the organophosphates, particularly in 
>> “high pressure situations”.  It is also true that most of the new materials 
>> are not as directly toxic to the flies as the OPs, and the efficacy of many 
>> these new materials appears to be due to their ability to prevent flies from 
>> ovipositing as long as they are in contact with their residues.  We really 
>> don’t know the mechanism of this mode of action, but in many laboratory 
>> bioassays the flies will not lay eggs on treated apples, although they 
>> remain alive.  So far, we would say that in most normal US orchards, which 
>> are presumed to be initially free from internal AM infestations and are not 
>> near abandoned orchards and other large sources of unsprayed host trees, we 
>> have not seen control failures or even increased damage in orchards that are 
>> not treated with organophosphates, although AM catches in monitoring traps 
>> placed along the edges of these orchards appears to be higher than when they 
>> were sprayed with organophosphates.
>> 
>> As far as efficacy, Calypso is definitely the most effective of the new 
>> insecticides, followed by Assail.  Delegate and Altacor also have some 
>> activity, but would probably not provide control in orchards with internal 
>> infestations or those that are near heavy unsprayed sources of infestations.
>> 
>> Art
>> 
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>> 
>> From: Dave Kollas 
>> Reply-To: Apple-crop discussion list 
>> Date: Fri, Aug 2 10:44 AM
>> To: Apple-crop discussion list 
>> Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Residual pesticide activity
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for that, Peter.
>> 
>> I suppose that if the systemic activity of neonics is sufficient to kill 
>> Apple Maggot eggs or larvae during a (two week?) period after application, 
>> and  up to 2 inches rainfall, they could be expected to be as good as Imidan 
>> or Guthion, regardless of whether the adults are killed by fruit or foliar 
>> contact.
>> Or, perhaps female flies are killed by ovipositor contact with systemic 
>> neonic during egg insertion? 

Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt

[Jill Kelly]

We have successfully transplanted trees (200 Macoun M9) just before leaf 
abscission.  The leaves easily strip off and then the trees were moved.  This 
was late October here in Maine.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Tommy and Sandy wrote:

> Dear sir,
> It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves 
> extended.  They need to be dormant to move them without much shock.
> Tommy Bruguiere
> Dickie Bros. Orchard
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> From: Rye
> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM
> Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt
> 
> I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt.  The 
> underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not.  Are there any 
> implications?
> 
> I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall 
> because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root.  I didn't pay 
> enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball 
> and some scion were buried.  
> 
> Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout 
> healthy leaves.  I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard.  
> With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing 
> the size controlling nature of the rootstock?  Again, the scions did not 
> root.  The answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back 
> on the trellis or free standing in the periphery.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [apple-crop] Tree height v. row spacing

[Jill Kelly]

Yea, thanks Jon.  The trees were planted 25 years ago and were probably state 
of the art then.  Never again.  Your presentation in Maine inspired some to see 
some tall spindle plantings.

Art
On Mar 26, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Jon Clements wrote:

> It's probably taller than you would like, however, your between-row
> spacing is probably wider than it should be. There is not a problem
> growing the trees shorter (except the negative implications of trying
> to keep a tree shorter than it wants to be), however, yield per acre
> will suffer. You need to farm all the sunlight available to maximize
> yield. (Within reason.)
> 
> I suspect the 0.9 factor came from research. I usually just say 1:1
> because it is simpler and easier to 'mind' calculate.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 2011/3/26 Arthur Kelly :
>> You're probably right Jon.  It's taller than I would have thought.  Where
>> does the .9 come from?
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/3/26 Jon Clements 
>>> 
>>> 0.9 X 18 feet = 16.2 feet, if you want to maximize production.
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Arthur Kelly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Generally (NNW/SSE) North/South rows, M26 Mac, 8X18, slender pyramid
>>> form.  What tree height?
>>> 
>>> Art Kelly
>>> Kelly Orchards
>>> Acton, Me
>>> 
>>> 2011/3/26 maurice tougas 
 
 I would agree with Jon, but add a couple of other considerations that I'd
 use to fine tune your "rule".
 The first would be row orientation. North / South oriented rows will
 receive more uniform light exposure than trees  East / West, and so perhaps
 an extra percentage of height could be added.
 Second, training system  results in differing depth or density of canopy,
 and so a system with wider row spacing may result in longer branches which
 may result in greater shading in the interior of the tree. Systems such as
 tall spindle, super spindle and maybe fruiting wall systems result in
 narrower canopies and so there is less depth to the canopy resulting in 
 less
 distance sunlight must travel to trunk. That said, these systems may well
 have a more dense canopy than more open, widely spaced trees when pruned
 properly.
 The narrower canopies I believe have the advantage, and so the ratio of
 height to row spacing may again allow for a slightly taller tree.
 Thirdly, consider hours of sunlight per growing season. I've never seen a
 "zone chart" for this. Might be an interesting project for some 
 statistician
 (Wes!), but developing some sort of sunlight zone similar to traditional
 hardiness zones should influence height/width ratio.
 Certainly the number of hours of sunlight, and, it's intensity on
 average, received in Pasco,WA or Hastings, NZ  is appreciably higher than
 Northborough,MA or Acton,ME and has an influence on ideal height/row width
 ratio.
 Mo Tougas
 Tougas Family Farm
 Northborough, MA
 
 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Jon Clements 
 wrote:
> 
> If you are growing hi-density apples, then tree height should be no
> greater than between-row width. Slightly less (0.9) is even better.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 2011/3/25 Arthur Kelly :
>> What do you all think about required row spacing for various tree
>> heights?
>>  Should row width be 1.1, 1.3 or 1.5 X tree height?
>> Art Kelly
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Re: Apple-Crop: Apple Maggot

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Dennis,
 One spray for AM, wow.  We are always at least two and often three.  To 
date Codling Moth has not been an issue for us.  This season I went from 5/27 
until 7/27 with no applications.  It has been an unusual year.  Usually we 
finish up on Plum Curculio about mid-June and then have Apple Maggot around 
mid-late July.


Thanks again,
Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
On Aug 5, 2010, at 9:32 AM,  
 wrote:

> Art,
>  
> I have used Assail for apple maggot control for several seasons now with very 
> good results.  I have been able to time our sprays so any second generation 
> of codling moth is usually hit as well.  We just did our AM spray about a 
> week ago for this season.  I usually do not include Assail in my first 
> generation codling moth sprays so that I am only using it once per season. I 
> use the Cornell Apple Maggot Monitoring form found 
> athttp://nysipm.cornell.edu/publications/apple_man/files/am.pdf and I use 
> unbaited traps so my threshold is one fly/trap.  I have never had to do a 
> second spray for apple maggot.   Hope this helps!
>  
> Dennis Norton
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard
> 15908 Hebron Rd.
> Harvard, IL 60033-9357
> Office (815) 648-4467
> Mobile (815) 228-2174
> Fax (609) 228-2174
> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
> http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
> http://www.revivalhymn.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Arthur Kelly
> To: Apple-Crop
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:24 AM
> Subject: Apple-Crop: Apple Maggot
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with Assail as an apple maggot control?
>  
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME

Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers

[Jill Kelly]

I have about 1/3 24' rows. 1/3 18' rows and the last 1/3 are 15' rows.  What 
pressure and GPA do you operate at Mo?


Thanks, Art
- Original Message - 
From: "Mo Tougas" 

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers


Hi Art

We've been using the Albuz and spraying systems AI nozzles for several 
seasons now. We'd been using them for herbicides and for spraying 
strawberries for years and were quite satisfied.
Two years ago we started using them in airblast sprayers. We've found that 
they are a bit limited there. The droplets are heavy, and we feel that 16' 
row spacing is about as far as we can go and get uniform overage. Past that, 
and pattern has not been satisfactory. I'd suggest caution. Use a couple in 
the top positions on your sprayer, and be sure to use water sensitive paper 
in your trees to be sure you are happy.


Mo Tougas
Tougas Family Farm,LLC
Northborough, MA

On Apr 2, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:


Hi all,
 I am considering switching over to air induction nozzles for my 
orchard sprayer.  What is the experience so far in terms of pressure, 
gallons per acre, the effect of row spacing and tree size etc?  Does 
anyone have any suggestions?


Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me




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Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers

[Jill Kelly]

Big help.  Thanks very much.  Pretty much how I was approaching it.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deveau, Jason (OMAFRA) 
  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers


  Hi Arthur,

  I was recently at an apple meeting in Quebec. One presentation summarized a 
series of international papers comparing conventional disk - core nozzles to 
air induction in airblast orchard applications. Efficacy was par across the 
board. I also have it on good authority that ai works well in grapes, too.

  You'll need to increase your pressure to match nozzle manufacturer 
specifications. As a rule of thumb, they require about twice the pressure 
versus a standard nozzle. Generally about 80 psi, but be sure to check the 
specs and try to operate them in the middle of their pressure range.

  Gallons per acre shouldn't change. Spray the rate and volume that's worked 
for you in the past. Nozzling your sprayer with ai nozzles is the same process 
as with any other nozzle. Work out your desired output for one boom and divide 
by the number of nozzles.

  As for row spacing and tree size, again, you should spray the volume and rate 
that's worked in the past using conventional nozzles - your method needn't 
change.

  Again, these are just rules of thumb, but try not to drive faster than 5 km 
per hour and don't spray less than 500 litres per hectare. Penetration and 
coverage suffer, respectively, if you push these limits.

  Does this help?

  Cheers,
  Jason Deveau - Application Technology Specialist - OMAFRA

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  Subject: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers 


  Hi all,
   I am considering switching over to air induction nozzles for my orchard 
sprayer.  What is the experience so far in terms of pressure, gallons per acre, 
the effect of row spacing and tree size etc?  Does anyone have any suggestions?

  Art Kelly 
  Kelly Orchards
  Acton, Me

Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Jonathan,

It looks like I will need to spray cooper Sunday evening.  Things are opening 
fast in this weather.

Art- Original Message - 
  From: jbbis...@comcast.net 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers


  Art,
  I am trying them for the first time myself. I went with TurboDrop from 
Greenleaf. They were the only brand that had gallonage/minute range I needed. 
This capacity comes at a price as the nozzle and AI body are quite long and 
require modification to the sprayer if you use the two nozzle w/rollover setup.

  T-Jet and Albuz make shorter ones that fit inside the nozzle body, but they 
don't seem to put out the higher GPM's that the TurboDrops do. 

  Unfortunately this warm spring weather has pushed our trees and we needed to 
spray sooner than I had planned. I put the old nozzles back in so I could get 
some fungicide out. 

  I'm planning to make the necessary mods to the sprayer and test pattern with 
water sensitive paper as soon as I can get a chance.

  Dr. Landers from Cornell spoke at our Pomological Society meeting this past 
December and had a lot of good information on drift reduction and sprayer 
tuning.

  Regards,
  Jonathan Bishop
  Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect


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  Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:14:55 -0400
  To: Apple-Crop
  Subject: Apple-Crop: AI nozzles for airblast sprayers


  Hi all,
   I am considering switching over to air induction nozzles for my orchard 
sprayer.  What is the experience so far in terms of pressure, gallons per acre, 
the effect of row spacing and tree size etc?  Does anyone have any suggestions?

  Art Kelly 
  Kelly Orchards
  Acton, Me

Re: Apple-Crop: degree days and apple bloom prediction

[Jill Kelly]

We hit 15 degrees last Saturday morning and may have gotten some damage.  We 
were at silver tip then on apples and swollen bud on peaches.  Cool weather, 
wet weather since has slowed development.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fleming, William 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:20 PM
  Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: degree days and apple bloom prediction


  I'm jealous, well sort of.

  Fully dormant here at 4000 ft Montana. Skiff of snow last night with a low of 
24°, high today in the 40s.

  Forecast is for lows in the teens. Plenty of time left here for pruning.

   

  Bill Fleming

  Montana State University

  Western Ag Research Center

  580 Quast Ln

  Corvallis, MT 59828

   


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Behalf Of Arthur Kelly
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:19 AM
  To: Apple-Crop
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: degree days and apple bloom prediction

   

  Acton, Maine
  Mar. 31, 2010

  McIntosh silver tip
  Peaches swollen bud
  Temps in the 70's for Fri and Sat
  Copper spray on Easter ?
  This is fun

  Art Kelly
  Kelly Orchards

  On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:18 AM, William Sharp  wrote:

I am In the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia and we are about 1/2" green 
tip (or a little further) on Red Delicious.  It is supposed to be quite warm 
the next couple of days and I am trying to predict when apple bloom may be i.e. 
will it be within the next week.  Does anyone have info on using DD to predict 
bloom?

We are not yet at bloom on peaches, but I expect it to start 
tommorrow...

 

Bill Sharp
   

   

Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard

[Jill Kelly]

I have some rows that are 375 ft long supported by Best Angle stakes that 
are in their 14th year.  A Vert Axe system on M9 at 5X15.  I have been very 
careful to keep large limbs out of the tops.  The Best Angle stakes are the 
largest ones, 10' long and about every 30'.  So far so good.  We used the 
same system in 2002 on more 375' rows.  So far so good on those as well. 
The end anchors are either buried wheel rims or those helix anchors.


Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
- Original Message - 
From: "Jon Clements" 

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: posts for organic orchard


I am intrigued by the option of using metal stakes (best angle?) for
smaller plantings (several acres) and with very hi-density systems
(tall-spindle or super spindle, 3 ft or 2 ft between trees
respectively) on, for example, B.9 rootstock. But I have been told
they will not hold up? I am thinking row lengths of several hundred
feet, placing the stakes every 10 meters (30 feet) or so, 10 ft. tall
stakes driven 2.5 feet into ground puts the top wire at 7.5 feet.
Seems cost-effective, easy to run wires through holes, easy to drive
(compared to wood) and should be OK for organic. Need to figure out
the end-support I suppose. What am I missing?

Jon

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Gary Mount
 wrote:

I will be planting an orchard for organic production this year and am
looking for a solution to obtaining posts. As far as I know, treated posts
are not acceptable in the NOP (I would love to stand corrected on this 
one)

and I don,t like metal posts very much. I saw some really nice concrete
posts at Fruit Logistica last winter in Berlin, but don't know of any in 
the

USA. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

-
Gary Mount
Terhune Orchards
330 Cold Soil Rd
Princeton, NJ 08540
609-924-2310
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Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Vol...

[Jill Kelly]

Lots of input on this one Jonathan.  It seems that some labels say not to go 
below a certain rate per acre.  I am aware of at least one case where a 
pyrethroid failed to control apple maggot.  I agree that the OPs give more 
room for error.  It looks like pest management will get much more precise as 
we get into "softer" materials in terms of timing, monitoring and rates.


Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan B. Bishop" 

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and 
Tree Row Vol...




Hi Art,
In our case we started our AM program July 1. While scouting the orchard 
just prior to making the second application two weeks later, I observed 
scary levels of adult activity, but I figured maybe I had washed out of 
coverage or that these were newly emerged adults that weren't yet mature 
and hadn't been killed by the Avaunt yet. I never suspected that the 
material was not effective. Unfortunately, the story became clear as I 
began to observe high incidence of egg laying in the fruit.


I believe that Avaunt is just a lot less effective against Apple Maggot 
than I thought when I chose it from the list of control options. Since the 
end of the season I have found four different insecticide trials that 
showed Avaunt performing poorly against Apple Maggot. There could also 
have been mitigating circumstances in 2009 not related to Avaunt that 
contributed to the high incidence of damage. It was wet which aided 
emergence of the Apple Maggot adults from the soil. The rain might have 
impacted the insecticide cover on the tree canopy, etc... but DuPont 
believes that by applying the TRV methodology in calculating the rate I 
reduced the dose below what they say the product needs to be effective. 
They could have referenced other factors but specifically blamed TRV for 
the failure.


I believe that TRV is a method to express acreage as a volume of space. 
DuPont only wants to recognize acreage as an area of land, regardless of 
tree size. If an "acre" is a function of tree area I applied the full 
rate. If an acre is an area of land only, then I did apply too little of 
the product. As a practical matter, then how do we adjust our sprayers as 
we go from block to block of different size trees?


Do you know what other products failed to control AM this past season, or 
the circumstances surrounding the failures?


More growers than I expected are still using OP's like Imidan and I am not 
aware of any control failures in orchards where OP's were used.


Regards,
Jonathan Bishop

Jill Kelly wrote:
Jonathan, you are not the only orchard to experience severe apple maggot 
damage this past season.  I don't believe any consensus has been arrived 
at as to when or how.  In some cases it has been felt to have been early 
damage.  In others it has mainly impacted later varieties such as 
Cortland, Red Del, etc.  In others use of pyrethroids has been implicated 
or heavy rain wash-off.


Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Bishop" 


To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and 
Tree Row Vol...



The timing to kill Apple Maggot is when the adult flies are present in 
the orchard flying around and feeding but prior to oviposition. There is 
currently no pupacide on the market and if there was we would be 
applying it with a ground sprayer to the orchard floor, not an airblast 
rig to the tree canopy.


Regards,
Jonathan Bishop

???
B.W. Bishop & Sons, Inc. Bishop's Orchards
1355 Boston Post Road Growers of Fine Fruit
Guilford, CT 06437 Since 1871

Vistit us on the web at: www.bishopsorchards.com



kborcha...@aol.com wrote:
I would think that because apple maggot over winter on the ground that 
reduction of amount applied per acre in theory would result in a  less 
than proper amount of  active material applied to control the pest.
The small to large house would not be as important as the fact that 
each was on a one acre lot. Just my opinion and experience.



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Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Vol...

[Jill Kelly]

Jonathan, you are not the only orchard to experience severe apple maggot 
damage this past season.  I don't believe any consensus has been arrived at 
as to when or how.  In some cases it has been felt to have been early 
damage.  In others it has mainly impacted later varieties such as Cortland, 
Red Del, etc.  In others use of pyrethroids has been implicated or heavy 
rain wash-off.


Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan B. Bishop" 

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and 
Tree Row Vol...



The timing to kill Apple Maggot is when the adult flies are present in the 
orchard flying around and feeding but prior to oviposition. There is 
currently no pupacide on the market and if there was we would be applying 
it with a ground sprayer to the orchard floor, not an airblast rig to the 
tree canopy.


Regards,
Jonathan Bishop

???
B.W. Bishop & Sons, Inc. Bishop's Orchards
1355 Boston Post Road Growers of Fine Fruit
Guilford, CT 06437 Since 1871

Vistit us on the web at: www.bishopsorchards.com



kborcha...@aol.com wrote:
I would think that because apple maggot over winter on the ground that 
reduction of amount applied per acre in theory would result in a  less 
than proper amount of  active material applied to control the pest.
The small to large house would not be as important as the fact that each 
was on a one acre lot. Just my opinion and experience.



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Re: Apple-Crop: manure

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Axel,
 You're correct.  There may not be enough sulfur available if we all tried 
to do it organically.  IPM seems to be best for us and probably for the 
environment here in the northeast.  In 2009 we had three days out of thirty 
with sun during June and July.  I was told by one organic apple grower that he 
had thirty applications on by the end of July, primarily for diseases.  We 
typically have to begin scab control towards the end of April and have bloom 
mid-late May.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Axel Kratel 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: manure


  Unfortunately, the answer is yes, at least according to OMRI. I say 
unfortunately, because this means a certified organic orchard in this manner 
can have more chemical pesticides than a conventional orchard that uses organic 
pesticides but chemical fertilizer. 

  I would love to hear how you manage an organic apple orchard in Maine, that 
must be a tough thing to do. Here in the West we are so dry during the growing 
season that organic is relatively easy to do. But I hear it's much harder on 
the East coast.






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  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
  Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 6:41:49 AM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: manure


  If you apply manure from animals that are not raised organically or are 
confined to cages or feed lots are you still organic?  I think too much!

  Art Kelly
  Kelly Orchards
  Acton, ME

Re: Apple-Crop: deer

[Jill Kelly]

I'll be looking for the stout on the 15th Mo.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mo Tougas 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: deer


  We have found that Irish Spring works best in combination with dryer sheets, 
and Guinness Stout.


  You need to hang both the sheets and the soap on the perimeter of the 
orchard, and place bottles of stout about every fifty feet or so.


  Lebricons will smell the Irish Spring and see the white dryer sheets, and 
think they are at a football (soccer) game. They will naturally drink the 
stout, while hanging around in the trees around the perimeter of the orchard. 
While they


  enjoy the stout they will make such a scene that no self respecting deer will 
be found near the orchard.


  Mo Tougas
  Tougas Family Farm
  Northborough,MA 01532












  On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:49 PM, jerry sietsema wrote:


Howard, how do you make that solution? What rates???  Thanks!!!
  - Original Message -
  From: Howard Claussen
  To: 'Apple-Crop'
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:35 AM
  Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: deer


  I have a small (150 tree) family orchard.  I spray my trees with a 
solution of Irish Spring soap.  Have not lost a tree in 15 years to deer or 
rabbits.
  I also hang each year ¼ bar of soap from each tree so

Re: Apple-Crop: Early bearing

[Jill Kelly]

We planted Northern Spy on bud-9 in 2002 at 5'X15'.  Could have been 5'X14'.  
Very little pruning other than to keep the tree in balance, Axe system, some 
crop 2006 and full crop by 2008.  No treatments.
Raining here today but I was up to my knees in snow yesterday pruning. 

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jourdain Jean-Marc 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:46 AM
  Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Early bearing


  Hello

  In our area we are used with making fruit from vigour, we try not to use 
chemicals or girdling, or root cuts, to lower the global shoot growth. This we 
think would drive the orchard to less potential.

  In most of the situation, no pruning (at least till fruit set comes), rope 
bending, low nitrogen supply can achieve the job. This is investment since it 
takes only 2 or 3 years of intensive care. 

  What we call equilibrium is reached when the tree crops on a regular base, 
and makes the necessary and sufficient wood and buds for the next year. 

  Depending on soil climate conditions, rootstock, variety habit, the 
equilibrium is reached for a tree volume that can be very variable (2 meters to 
6 meters tall trees). Tree and row spacing at plantings must anticipate this 
tree volume, not so easy to tune. 

   

   

  Jean Marc Jourdain

  www dot Ctifl dot fr

  France south west

   


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  De : apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] De 
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  Envoyé : mardi 10 mars 2009 20:32
  À : Apple-crop
  Objet : Apple-Crop: Early bearing

   

  Would someone care to divulge a recipe for getting slow-to-bear varieties 
into production sooner.  I have Northern Spy in mind using Ethrel or NAA or 
combinations.  Apogee perhaps.  Other techniques?

   

  Harold Schooley

  Schooley Orchards Limited

  Simcoe, Ontario

  Canada

   

Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl

[Jill Kelly]

I agree, the primary use of ethrel in New England has been to advance 
ripening.  As a thinner it is considered only as a last resort.  Some are 
using it to enhance return bloom on Honeycrisp.  Art Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: "Arthur Harvey" 

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl


Although it is now 50 years back, I seem to recall that ethrel was used on 
McIntosh crops in NH around the first week of September, to cause premature 
reddening---but also premature drop if they were not picked very soon. 
Also, very poor shelf life.




--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Harold J. Larsen  wrote:


From: Harold J. Larsen 
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl
To: "Apple-Crop" 
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:10 PM
Interesting variation on spelling of the material. Here it
is spelled "Ethrel." To my understanding, its use
here in Colorado is more to enhance return bloom (I think by
enhancing thinning in conjunction w/ other thinners prior to
flower initiation -- but I could easily be wrong on that).

Harold L.

-- Dr. Harold Larsen, Interim Manager - WCRC
Res. Pathologist & Ext. Fruit Dis. Specialist
Colo. St. Univ., WCRC - Orchard Mesa
3168  B  1/2  Road
Grand Junction, CO  81503-9621
Ph:  (970) 434-3264, x-205
FAX:  (970) 434-1035
EMail:  harold.lar...@colostate.edu


Con.Traas wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that I have not been kicked off apple crop for
bad behaviour. I have not seen any posts in a little while.
>
> In the past few weeks I have been analysing results of
farm-scale trials on the use of post-blossom ethryl to cause
thinning in apples. The results seem to be very variable,
depending on variety, with Alkmene and Bramley’s
practically unaffected, and Katja, Jonagored and Elstar
dropping a lot of apples, but with little positive effect on
fruit size.
>
> As this is my first year trying this chemical, I would
be interested in any observations.
>
> Con Traas
>
> Cahir
>
> Ireland
>
> PS. Congratulations to the US readers on your new
President. Do you expect any effects on pomology?
>



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Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl

[Jill Kelly]

I've only used ethryl to stimulate flower-bud initiation on some Gingergolds on 
106 at 6X16.  It seemed to accomplish that job.  They will probably end up at 
12X16.  Maybe.  It's only 50 trees in three rows at the edge of the orchard.  
Con's right.  Have we been kicked off because we're Irish?  Make that half 
Irish.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jill Kelly 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl


  Everyone seems to have a "what's in it for me" attitude but not much of what 
can I/we do.  Too much of the economy running through the government makes me 
nervous.  We have a market economy which may be easier to muck-up than fix-up.  
If markets are allowed to work(with adequate regulation) our economy and 
society will be stronger.  Competion (with adequate regulation) makes us 
stronger.  Anyone want to buy some Mac's?  It is snowing today in Maine and 
after this storm we should have about 3 feet on the ground.  Last week we had 
-18 and -23 and I was wondering about my peaches.  Thank goodness that's only 
-7 and -10 F.  Too close for comfort.

  Art Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: Matt McCallum 
To: Apple-Crop 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl


Haven't seen any talk on a bail out for apple growers, however they are 
about to pass the biggest pork filled "bail out" bill ever. It would be nice to 
spray a little ethryl on the bill to thin it down! 


On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Con.Traas wrote:


  Hello all,
  I hope that I have not been kicked off apple crop for bad behaviour. I 
have not seen any posts in a little while.
  In the past few weeks I have been analysing results of farm-scale trials 
on the use of post-blossom ethryl to cause thinning in apples. The results seem 
to be very variable, depending on variety, with Alkmene and Bramley’s 
practically unaffected, and Katja, Jonagored and Elstar dropping a lot of 
apples, but with little positive effect on fruit size.
  As this is my first year trying this chemical, I would be interested in 
any observations.
  Con Traas
  Cahir
  Ireland
  PS. Congratulations to the US readers on your new President. Do you 
expect any effects on pomology?

Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl

[Jill Kelly]

Everyone seems to have a "what's in it for me" attitude but not much of what 
can I/we do.  Too much of the economy running through the government makes me 
nervous.  We have a market economy which may be easier to muck-up than fix-up.  
If markets are allowed to work(with adequate regulation) our economy and 
society will be stronger.  Competion (with adequate regulation) makes us 
stronger.  Anyone want to buy some Mac's?  It is snowing today in Maine and 
after this storm we should have about 3 feet on the ground.  Last week we had 
-18 and -23 and I was wondering about my peaches.  Thank goodness that's only 
-7 and -10 F.  Too close for comfort.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Matt McCallum 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Ethryl


  Haven't seen any talk on a bail out for apple growers, however they are about 
to pass the biggest pork filled "bail out" bill ever. It would be nice to spray 
a little ethryl on the bill to thin it down!


  On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Con.Traas wrote:


Hello all,
I hope that I have not been kicked off apple crop for bad behaviour. I have 
not seen any posts in a little while.
In the past few weeks I have been analysing results of farm-scale trials on 
the use of post-blossom ethryl to cause thinning in apples. The results seem to 
be very variable, depending on variety, with Alkmene and Bramley’s practically 
unaffected, and Katja, Jonagored and Elstar dropping a lot of apples, but with 
little positive effect on fruit size.
As this is my first year trying this chemical, I would be interested in any 
observations.
Con Traas
Cahir
Ireland

PS. Congratulations to the US readers on your new President. Do you expect 
any effects on pomology?

Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts

[Jill Kelly]

Thanks Arthur,
Is that the blade Jock refers to as the Narrow Smoothie.

Arthur Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts


Yes, the blades for the Wheeler saw are $3 each (payment with order), 
shipping free.  I won't have time to fill the order until October 15 or 
so.


On another topic, the federal law governing organic foods was recently 
amended by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.  This will allow 
synthetic ingredients to be added to organic-labeled foods.
If this is important to you, please visit my website, 
www.RestoreOrganicLaw.org



--- On Sat, 9/13/08, Jill Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Jill Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts
To: "Apple-Crop" 
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 10:12 PM
Arthur,
 Do you still make the pruning saw blades?  They were
great.

Art Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: "Arthur Harvey"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Apple-Crop"

Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts


> Hi, Sam.  We still remember fondly our work at your
orchard.  Now totally
> involved with wild blueberries in Maine, with a few
peaches coming along.
> Arthur & Elizabeth
>
> On another topic, the federal law governing organic
foods was recently
> amended by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.
This will allow
> synthetic ingredients to be added to organic-labeled
foods.
> If this is important to you, please visit my website,
> www.RestoreOrganicLaw.org
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Sam Nassar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Sam Nassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts
>> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:27 PM
>> I would like to ask if anyone has a discounted
source for
>> Woods mower parts?
>>
>> Thankyou,
>>
>> Sam Nassar
>>
>> Apple Acres, Windham, NH
>
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Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts

[Jill Kelly]

Arthur,
Do you still make the pruning saw blades?  They were great.

Art Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts


Hi, Sam.  We still remember fondly our work at your orchard.  Now totally 
involved with wild blueberries in Maine, with a few peaches coming along. 
Arthur & Elizabeth


On another topic, the federal law governing organic foods was recently 
amended by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.  This will allow 
synthetic ingredients to be added to organic-labeled foods.
If this is important to you, please visit my website, 
www.RestoreOrganicLaw.org



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From: Sam Nassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apple-Crop: Woods mower parts
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:27 PM
I would like to ask if anyone has a discounted source for
Woods mower parts?

Thankyou,

Sam Nassar

Apple Acres, Windham, NH



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Re: Apple-Crop: Honeycrisp

[Jill Kelly]

What spacing are you guys using?  We have Honeycrisp on 26 at 5X15.  I expect 
to keep them at 10' tall.  The 5 looks pretty good but the 15 may be a little 
far apart.  Most of what we are doing is vertical axe.  We are in Acton, Me 
which is about 30 miles from the ocean.  We had petal fall on McIntosh on May 
25.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Baisden, Herdie 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:08 PM
  Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Honeycrisp


  Good point, Trever. I neglected to mention that ALL of our Honeycrisp/G16 and 
Honeycrisp/B9 are supported.

  Herdie Baisden
  Maiden Rock Apples



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  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:52 PM
  To: Apple-Crop
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Honeycrisp


  Art, 

  We have Brookfield Gala and Honeycrisp on G16.  Great looking trees but they 
need a support system.  Both varieties are brittle at the graft union.

  Trever Meachum
  SW Michigan
- Original Message - 
From: Jill Kelly 
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Apple-Crop: Honeycrisp


Does anyone have any experience with Honeycrisp on G16 rootstock?  We have 
had some trouble with breakage at the union with M26.  This has occurred just 
from handling the trees prior to planting.

Art Kelly
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[Jill Kelly]

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From: Jill Kelly 
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Honeycrisp


Does anyone have any experience with Honeycrisp on G16 rootstock?  We have had 
some trouble with breakage at the union with M26.  This has occurred just from 
handling the trees prior to planting.

Art Kelly

Apple-Crop: Honeycrisp

[Jill Kelly]

Does anyone have any experience with Honeycrisp on G16 rootstock?  We have had 
some trouble with breakage at the union with M26.  This has occurred just from 
handling the trees prior to planting.

Art Kelly

Re: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control

[Jill Kelly]

Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug ControlThat's pyrethroid.

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jill Kelly 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control


  A pyrethriod at tight cluster might do the job with less impact on 
beneficials.

  Art Kelly
  Kelly Orchards
  Acton, Me
- Original Message - 
From: waldo&judy 
To: Apple-Crop 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control


Peter,
Thanks to the response regarding my question... TPB can be a problem in our 
orchards here in Nova Scotia and our only effective control has been pyrethoids 
which tend to wipe out most of the beneficials. The recommended strategy that 
we employ is to treat ONLY the high value varieties, such as honeycrisp, with a 
pyrethoid at pink. Again very harsh on predators but one can have real economic 
damage on this variety from this insect. 

Waldo Walsh
Birchleigh Farms
254 Bentley Road
Berwick, Nova Scotia CANADA
B0P 1E0

  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter J. Jentsch 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:48 PM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control


  Hi Waldo,


  The tarnish plant bug (TPB) tend to move on and off apple during the 
pre-bloom season. Since they don't tend to 'linger' their exposure to 
insecticides is limited. Admire (Imidacloprid), provides low to moderate levels 
of toxicity in the field due to this dynamic nature of the TPB. In lab studies 
Calypso (thiacloprid) , Actara (thiamethoxam), or Assail and (acetamiprid) 
demonstrated relatively high levels of direct toxicity to TPB but 'the residual 
toxicity of these neonicotinoids to L lineolaris in orchards was very 
short-lived' ('Pest Management Science' reference below).


  Imidacloprid has demonstrated relatively low toxicity to the predatory 
mite T.pyri and A. fallacious, but high direct toxicity to honey bees ('Cornell 
Tree Fruit Guidelines' reference below). The pyrethroid class has been the only 
class effective against the TPB in the field. In our studies in the mid-Hudson 
Valley of NY, a TC and Pink application would be needed to get control. Even at 
that we typically see 1% damage. Yet if yearly damage reducing market quality 
is below 3-4%, is it economically viable to make two applications.


  Peter

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  Pest Management Science
  Volume 61, Issue 10 , Pages 991 - 996


  The intrinsic toxicity of several neonicotinoids to Lygus lineolaris and 
Hyaliodes vitripennis, a phytophagous and a predacious mirid
  Noubar J Bostanian 1 *, John M Hardman 2, Estelle Ventard 3, Gaétan 
Racette 1
  1Horticultural Research and Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food 
Canada, 430 Gouin Blvd, St Jean-sur-Richelieu, Qc, Canada, J3B 3E6
  2Atlantic Food and Horticulture Research Centre, Agriculture and 
Agri-Food Canada, 32 Main street, Kentville, NS, Canada, B4N 1J5
  3Établissement National d'Enseignement Supérieur Agronomique de Dijon, 21 
Bd Olivier de Serres, 218000 Quetigny, France
  email: Noubar J Bostanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

  *Correspondence to Noubar J Bostanian, Horticultural Research and 
Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, 430 Gouin Blvd, St 
Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec, Canada, J3B 3E6
  Reference to trade names and proprietary products does not imply that 
such names are unprotected. No endorsement of names products or companies is 
made or implied, nor is any criticism intended of similar products or companies 
which are not mentioned.

  Keywords
  toxicity * Hyaliodes vitripennis * Lygus lineolaris * apple orchards * 
neonicotinoids

  Abstract
  The tarnished plant bug Lygus lineolaris (Palisot de Beauvois) is a key 
pest of apples in eastern Canada and, currently, chemical control is the only 
way to manage this pest. Hyaliodes vitripennis (Say) is a univoltine indigenous 
predacious mirid and an integral part of biological control programs for apples 
in certain regions of Quebec. In worst-case laboratory conditions, 
thiamethoxam, thiacloprid and acetamiprid were exceptionally toxic to this 
predacious mirid. The adults were more susceptible than the nymphs. However, 
the residual toxicity of these neonicotinoids to L lineolaris in orchards was 
very short-lived. Because of the short residual toxicity, neonicotinoids should 
be applied when L lineolaris is at maximum abundance and well before eggs of H 
vitripennis hatch in late June.





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  Cornell Tree Fruit Guidelines,
  Table 12. Activity Spectrum of pome fruit insecticides and acaricides


  h

Re: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control

[Jill Kelly]

Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug ControlA pyrethriod at tight cluster might do 
the job with less impact on beneficials.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me
  - Original Message - 
  From: waldo&judy 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control


  Peter,
  Thanks to the response regarding my question... TPB can be a problem in our 
orchards here in Nova Scotia and our only effective control has been pyrethoids 
which tend to wipe out most of the beneficials. The recommended strategy that 
we employ is to treat ONLY the high value varieties, such as honeycrisp, with a 
pyrethoid at pink. Again very harsh on predators but one can have real economic 
damage on this variety from this insect. 

  Waldo Walsh
  Birchleigh Farms
  254 Bentley Road
  Berwick, Nova Scotia CANADA
  B0P 1E0

- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Jentsch 
To: Apple-Crop 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Apple-Crop: Admire for Tarnished Plant Bug Control


Hi Waldo,


The tarnish plant bug (TPB) tend to move on and off apple during the 
pre-bloom season. Since they don't tend to 'linger' their exposure to 
insecticides is limited. Admire (Imidacloprid), provides low to moderate levels 
of toxicity in the field due to this dynamic nature of the TPB. In lab studies 
Calypso (thiacloprid) , Actara (thiamethoxam), or Assail and (acetamiprid) 
demonstrated relatively high levels of direct toxicity to TPB but 'the residual 
toxicity of these neonicotinoids to L lineolaris in orchards was very 
short-lived' ('Pest Management Science' reference below).


Imidacloprid has demonstrated relatively low toxicity to the predatory mite 
T.pyri and A. fallacious, but high direct toxicity to honey bees ('Cornell Tree 
Fruit Guidelines' reference below). The pyrethroid class has been the only 
class effective against the TPB in the field. In our studies in the mid-Hudson 
Valley of NY, a TC and Pink application would be needed to get control. Even at 
that we typically see 1% damage. Yet if yearly damage reducing market quality 
is below 3-4%, is it economically viable to make two applications.


Peter





Pest Management Science
Volume 61, Issue 10 , Pages 991 - 996


The intrinsic toxicity of several neonicotinoids to Lygus lineolaris and 
Hyaliodes vitripennis, a phytophagous and a predacious mirid
Noubar J Bostanian 1 *, John M Hardman 2, Estelle Ventard 3, Gaétan Racette 
1
1Horticultural Research and Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food 
Canada, 430 Gouin Blvd, St Jean-sur-Richelieu, Qc, Canada, J3B 3E6
2Atlantic Food and Horticulture Research Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food 
Canada, 32 Main street, Kentville, NS, Canada, B4N 1J5
3Établissement National d'Enseignement Supérieur Agronomique de Dijon, 21 
Bd Olivier de Serres, 218000 Quetigny, France
email: Noubar J Bostanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

*Correspondence to Noubar J Bostanian, Horticultural Research and 
Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, 430 Gouin Blvd, St 
Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec, Canada, J3B 3E6
Reference to trade names and proprietary products does not imply that such 
names are unprotected. No endorsement of names products or companies is made or 
implied, nor is any criticism intended of similar products or companies which 
are not mentioned.

Keywords
toxicity * Hyaliodes vitripennis * Lygus lineolaris * apple orchards * 
neonicotinoids

Abstract
The tarnished plant bug Lygus lineolaris (Palisot de Beauvois) is a key 
pest of apples in eastern Canada and, currently, chemical control is the only 
way to manage this pest. Hyaliodes vitripennis (Say) is a univoltine indigenous 
predacious mirid and an integral part of biological control programs for apples 
in certain regions of Quebec. In worst-case laboratory conditions, 
thiamethoxam, thiacloprid and acetamiprid were exceptionally toxic to this 
predacious mirid. The adults were more susceptible than the nymphs. However, 
the residual toxicity of these neonicotinoids to L lineolaris in orchards was 
very short-lived. Because of the short residual toxicity, neonicotinoids should 
be applied when L lineolaris is at maximum abundance and well before eggs of H 
vitripennis hatch in late June.







Cornell Tree Fruit Guidelines,
Table 12. Activity Spectrum of pome fruit insecticides and acaricides


http://ipmguidelines.org/TreeFruits/content/CH07/default.asp#_Toc197765114




-- 
Peter J. Jentsch
Extension Associate
Department of Entomology
Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab
3357 Rt. 9W; PO box 727
Highland, NY 12528

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone 845-691-7151
Mobile: 845-417-7465


http://www.nysaes.cornell.ed

Re: Apple-Crop: position available

[Jill Kelly]

Do you ever reach an age where "some day it will be better" doesn't apply?

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
  - Original Message - 
  From: Justeen Judson 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: position available


  Just how young would you suggest?  Some day isn't good enough for the younger 
set.  I seems that they want instant results, and farming isn't instant.  I all 
boils down to you gotta have heart, mind, body and soul into it.  Because when 
the sun sets, and your day is done, you'll stand back and look at your orchard 
and say to yourself  "It's been a good day and some day it will be better."

  As we all know;  every day is a good day, just some are better than others.

  Justeen Judson
  Gilly Station Orchard
  Calhan, CO
- Original Message - 
From: Ken Hall 
To: Apple-Crop 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: position available


This position should be of interest to a younger individual who thinks he 
might want a farm of his own some day, but doesn't have the capital to dive 
straight in. It's a decent living and an unmatched learning opportunity. If I 
were younger and single, I would be all over this (of course, I also like Maine 
a lot, and would spend a lot of weekends either hiking the hills or haunting 
the Maritime Museum in Bath).

Important caveat, though--I got interested in farming, and there isn't, 
relatively speaking, as much of that around as there once was. This is an issue 
my employers are wrestling with (as am I personally, through my work with our 
training and development committee) too. One can always make more money in the 
Fortune 100 in some other industry, so how do we get people interested in ag, 
and therefore willing to make certain tradeoffs?

Ken D. Hall
Business Manager
MeisterPro Information Resources
Meister Media Worldwide





From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Con.Traas
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:42 AM
To: Apple-Crop
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: position available


I must say that I think any employer would be very lucky to get a good 
manager to work those hours, with the extra flexibility required, for the 
salary offered (even though I would love such a job myself, if I did not have 
my own farm). Perhaps there are too many attractive alternative careers 
available to young people these days, but I don't think we would find many 
takers here. Mind you, it is good to see that the farm has the prospect of 
making a profit of $100,000, 10% of which could go to the manager. Any farm 
making a decent profit is a beacon to all of us.

Con Traas

 




  - Original Message - 

  From: Renae Moran 

  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 

  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:25 PM

  Subject: Apple-Crop: position available

   

  Apple Orchard Manager Position

   

  We currently have an opening for a farm manager in our operation.  We are 
Ricker Hill Orchards, a family farm in Turner, Maine, started in 1803. Our 
apple orchards are located in seven towns in Maine's western foot hills.  
(snip)  

   

Re: Apple-Crop: Wood chipper

[Jill Kelly]

I've got one for sale.  Might need a little rehabing.

Art Kelly
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Apple-Crop" 
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Apple-Crop: Wood chipper


Does anyone know of where I could rent a three point hitch pto wood 
chipper?

I'm in Westford,Ma. Thanks Keith Bohne




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Re: Apple-Crop: position available

[Jill Kelly]

Hi Renae,
 What are the apple breeding programs in the northeast?

Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renae Moran 
  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:25 PM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: position available


  Apple Orchard Manager Position

   

  We currently have an opening for a farm manager in our operation.  We are 
Ricker Hill Orchards, a family farm in Turner, Maine, started in 1803. Our 
apple orchards are located in seven towns in Maine's western foot hills. We 
produce IPM and organic apples, high bush blue berries, IPM cranberries, and 
other fruit and mixed vegetables to a much smaller degree.  We employ five 
orchard managers who each manage and maintain 50 to 120 acres of apples.  The 
farm manager spends most of their time on the same farm, pruning, mowing, 
spraying, and managing the harvest crew.  Decisions on chemical control for 
pest and disease management and thinning are made by the owner.  General farm 
workers are available when extra labor is needed.  Record keeping for each farm 
is done an individual enterprise with expenses and income from the quality and 
quantity of crop.  Managers must be available to work when needed to grow the 
crop to its top potential.  There will be some flexibility on work schedule.  
Occasionally the manager will work with our packing operation, cranberry 
operation, or helping on one of the other manager's farms, as needed.  This 
position involves some excessive hours during May/June and September/October.  
Our regular work week is Monday through Friday, 7 am to 4:30 pm.  

  Base salary is between $27K and 35K, commensurate with experience 
and education.  Manager's share of profits from their farm is 10% up to 
$10,000.  Benefits include a medical and retirement plan, vehicle and clothing 
allowance.  Housing may also be available.  

   

  Thank you for your interest,

  Harry Ricker

  cell 207-754-3455, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.rickerhill.com

   

   

   

Re: Apple-Crop: Returns for apples tree run

[Jill Kelly]

You would need to provide a little more information, such as percent XF and 
sizes, percent bags etc.  Art Kelly
  - Original Message - 
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  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:50 AM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: Returns for apples tree run


  What return for tree run should I expect from a packer for Red Delicious that 
pack out, say 75%?
  John Crumpacker





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Re: Apple-Crop: Spring 2008

[Jill Kelly]

Here in Maine we have about 3' of snow on the ground topped by 1/2" of ice.  We 
have bloom usually towards the end of May.  Your are right about the chemical 
input expenses.  They just spiral upwards.  The best we can do is to do a good 
job of soil and leaf analysis and only use what is required.  For pest and 
disease control we do IPM.  It's the best we can manage.  Dwarf trees help.  In 
my opinion organic is a poor choice for us.  Too many trips spraying (30 or 
more) and too much material(especially sulfur, which can't be good for the 
soil).  Our primary variety is McIntosh which is susceptible to apple scab.  
Thankfully, we don't need to apply much Nitrogen.  Often foliar will do.  
Smartfresh has made a big difference for us.  There seems to be an improving 
market and a sense of optimism that I have not experienced in many years.  Our 
labor is mostly H-2A (Jamacian) and is experienced, skilled and reliable but 
very expensive.  We had our best crop in several years in 2007 but can only 
hope for a repeat in 2008.

Art Kelly
  From: Con.Traas 
  To: Apple-Crop 
  Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:51 AM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: Spring 2008


  Hello all,

  We are experiencing a lovely warm spell for this time of the year, and St. 
Valentine's Day. Although warm, the trees are not so advanced as they were a 
few years ago, when the first Victoria plum trees started flowering at this 
time. So, at the moment it looks as though (assuming the weather does not 
remain warm for too long) we will have an early spring, but not one for the 
record books, which is a relief, as we have often had damaging frosts in early 
May, which is still a long way off.

  On our own farm we still have apples in store, and thanks to the Smartfresh 
treatment, they are really excellent. In fact, they seem to stay that fresh 
that I need to add far fewer high-acid apples to my juice to get a nice balance 
between sweetness and acidity. My only problem is to figure out what to do with 
the high acid apples.

  In general growers were happy with apple demand this year, but are very 
concerned about the rising costs of fertiliser (linked to oil prices it seems), 
and agrochemicals. However, labour is still the number one cost, and it looks 
likely to remain that way. At least in Ireland it is possible to get labour, 
whereas in the UK and Holland, it can be very difficult.

  I would be interested to hear what prospects are like in other parts of the 
World, and how the spring is shaping up. Right now I've got to go out and do a 
bit of work.

  Con Traas

   

   

Re: Apple-Crop: Treated posts - Organic Certification

[Jill Kelly]

We have used Best Angle Tree Stakes in the largest size.  I think it is 2"X3".  
We are IPM, not organic, but for us these have held up so far.  You have space 
them more frequently but they can be pounded into our stoney ground.
Art Kelly
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  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:04 PM
  Subject: Apple-Crop: Treated posts - Organic Certification


  Hello Listers:
  In Washington State, at least, orchardists who are certified organic are not 
allowed, by regulation, to use treated posts to stake their trees or other 
fruit.  I would like to know from those of you who are certified organic how 
you are supporting crops in a long-lasting manner?
  Thanks
  D. DelBoca
  N.W. Washington  
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Apple-Crop: cell tower leasing

[Jill Kelly]

Does anyone have any experience or input regarding leasing some of your land to 
a cell phone provider for a cell tower?  The income would be nice at this point 
but I am concerned about immpact on PYO, neighbors etc.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Me