Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
Hello Dave! Good one! Now, if the use of sprinklers for pesticide application is a "Pipe Dream", is this one like "building castles in the air" ? ;-) Vincent On 2012-02-20, at 14:58, Dave Rosenberger wrote: > This list-serve has been rather inactive, so here's a > futuristic issue to pique your imagination: > Over the weekend, I happened to read an interesting article > in NY Times concerning the fact that the US Federal Aviation > Authority has recently begun regulatory changes that will allow > commercial use of drone aircraft in non-military applications. Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. Phytopathologiste Laboratoire de production fruitière intégrée Institut de recherche et de développement en agro-environnement 335, Rang des vingt-cinq Est Case postale 24 Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville (Québec) J3V 4P8 Tél. bureau: 450 653-7368 poste 224 Tél. laboratoire: 450 653-7368 poste 229 Cellulaire: 514-623-8275 Skype: VENTURIA Télécopie: 450 653-1927 Verger du parc national du Mont-Saint-Bruno 330, Rang des vingt-cinq Est Case postale 24 Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville (Québec) J3V 4P8 Téléphone et télécopieur : 450 653-8375 Courriel: vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca Site Internet:www.irda.qc.ca Pour nous trouver: Laboratoire: http://maps.google.ca/maps/place?cid=9609486867104665866&q=irda+pfi&hl=fr&sll=45.557814,-73.360476&sspn=8.87586,1.961403&ie=UTF8&ll=45.557814,-73.360476&spn=0,0&z=16 Verger: http://maps.google.ca/maps/place?cid=11405391288824931904&q=verger+irda&hl=fr&sll=45.54961,-73.350585&sspn=0.012504,0.018389&ie=UTF8&ll=45.54961,-73.350585&spn=0,0&z=16 Un expert est une personne qui a fait toutes les erreurs qui peuvent être faites dans un domaine très étroit. ~ Niels Bohr To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to say what the experiment died of. ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher The plural of anecdote is not data. ~ Roger Brinner The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data. ~ John Tukey Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. ~ Mark Twain (also attributed to Niels Bohr) Poor, but proudly at the highest step I'm qualified for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Ce message peut contenir de l'information de nature privilégiée et confidentielle. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire visé ou croyez l'avoir reçu par erreur, nous vous saurions gré d'en aviser l'émetteur. Si ce message vous a été transmis par erreur, veuillez le détruire sans en communiquer le contenu à d'autres personnes ou le reproduire. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
Drone helicopters sure would come in handy for cherry growers out west who use them to dry fruit to prevent rain cracking. Often there aren't enough copters to go around for what must be a boring job for pilots. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Ln Corvallis, Montana 406-961-3025 Cell- 406-529-2409 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Vincent Philion Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:36 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones Hello Dave! Good one! Now, if the use of sprinklers for pesticide application is a "Pipe Dream", is this one like "building castles in the air" ? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
I often thought that a drone flying low over sweet cherries would help chase the birds away. Jim Bittner Singer Farms 6620 Lake Rd Appleton, NY 14008 716 778 7330 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:59 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] agricultural drones This list-serve has been rather inactive, so here's a futuristic issue to pique your imagination: Over the weekend, I happened to read an interesting article in NY Times concerning the fact that the US Federal Aviation Authority has recently begun regulatory changes that will allow commercial use of drone aircraft in non-military applications. The article is available at http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/technology/drones-with-an-eye-on-the-publi c-cleared-to-fly.html?emc=eta1, but you may need a subscription to view it. The gist of the article is that drone manufacturers are looking for new business options as US military orders are or will be (hopefully?) slowing with the troop draw-down in Afghanistan. The article mentions "crop dusting" as one potential civilian use for drones. That mention triggered a number of questions. Is anyone aware of companies that are actively testing drones for pesticide applications? Given the tremendous losses that occur when weather conditions prevent conventional sprayers from getting through apple orchards in eastern United States, helicopter drones might prove both useful and cost-effective for rapid-response pesticide applications. With modern GPS capabilities, drones could presumably be programmed to accurately fly over tree rows, adjust for wind-associated drift problems, and return to a predetermined parking area for refilling a spray tank. Even if lift capabilities meant that the drone could only spray one acre per tank, application speed might still allow it to cover acreage much faster than conventional sprayers. Spending a million dollars for a drone might sound far-fetched, but various accounts suggest that PA apple farmers lost far more than a million dollars last year when 50 days of rain during the primary scab period created difficulties in maintaining fungicide coverage. One drone operator in that area might have been able to save a lot of acres from scab. Other interesting questions: 1. How much weight could a million-dollar drone carry? 2. Can they operate in adverse conditions (i.e., during rain, with shifting wind currents a low altitudes)? 2. Are helicopter drones quieter than conventional helicopters, or at least no nosier than conventional airblast sprayers? If not, then noise becomes an issue for many fruit farms located near residential areas. (For many orchards in the east, fixed-wing drones would be undesirable because home-owners adjacent to orchards don't appreciate being buzzed by low-flying aircraft, and they would go absolutely nuts if they learned that pilotless drones were carrying pesticides over their properties!) 3. What kind of additional regulations might be imposed/required for a pesticide-laden drone vis-a-vis safety of neighboring properties, etc? 4. Should agrichemical companies be looking for new chemistries and/or formulations that might work better for aerial applications than most of the current products that must be absorbed or adsorbed into the cuticle to be rainfast. The older fungicides that were often applied via aircraft in northeastern United States (back before air applications were mostly discontinued) were contact fungicides that could be readily redistributed by rainfall. Thus perfect coverage of the all foliage was not essential because final coverage was enhanced by the same rains that brought on scab infection periods. I'm not certain how well any of the fungicide products developed since 1985 would actually work when applied via aircraft when trees already have enough open leaves to limit coverage that occurs via aerial application (e.g., during bloom). Coverage with fixed wing and conventional aircraft was enhanced by the turbulence generated from the wings or the rotors, but a small drone might generate less turbulence and redistribution might therefore become more important. I don't expect to see crop-duster drones in NY orchards in the near future, but they may well become practical within the next decade. Sounds like an interesting business for an agricultural techie who always wanted to fly planes but is afraid of heights. -- ** Dave Rosenberger Professor of Plant PathologyOffice: 845-691-7231 Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab Fax:845-691-2719 P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ ap
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
Actually, I just found this video which is much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some web info on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related and http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website indicated that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 hectares of rice in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that graph). apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- ** Dave Rosenberger Professor of Plant PathologyOffice: 845-691-7231 Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab Fax:845-691-2719 P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
That guy's good! I'm thinking drift is not a big issue. On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote: > Actually, I just found this video which is much better: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related > >> Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some web info >> on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related and >> http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website indicated >> that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 hectares of rice >> in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that graph). >> >> > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > -- > ** Dave > Rosenberger > Professor of Plant Pathology Office: 845-691-7231 > Cornell University's Hudson Valley LabFax:845-691-2719 > P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Cell: 845-594-3060 > http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
Well, that settles it. I definitely want to be the first kid on my block to get one. Then again, what color will it be painted? Gary Mount Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell On 2/24/2012 12:25 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote: Actually, I just found this video which is much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some web info on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related and http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website indicated that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 hectares of rice in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that graph). apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
I like this color scheme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHfX6ByzIY Perhaps that one might even scare deer or other trespassers away. There are also videos of these drones carrying cameras. Could you program in search images of egg-laying plum curculios, apple maggot flies and codling moths and do some "spot spraying"? You could add a speaker and supervise u-pickers remotely. One can imagine treating just the tops of trees for codling moth, retreating pesticide-coated red spheres for apple maggot, perimeter row trees for plum curculio. My neighbors might provide the labor for free - two of them spend hours flying their remote-controlled planes in the back yards on our street. Thomas A. Green, Ph.D., CCA, TSP President IPM Institute of North America Inc. 4510 Regent St. Madison WI 53705 608 232-1410 Fax 608 232-1440 ipmwo...@ipminstitute.org www.ipminstitute.org www.greenshieldcertified.org -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Gary Mount Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:34 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones Well, that settles it. I definitely want to be the first kid on my block to get one. Then again, what color will it be painted? Gary Mount Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell On 2/24/2012 12:25 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote: > Actually, I just found this video which is much better: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related > >> Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some >> web info on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related and >> http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website >> indicated that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 >> hectares of rice in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that >> graph). >> >> > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
To bad Gary. My bankers have already given approval for my $1,000,000 loan. The company I ordered it from promised me that mine will be the only purple one in the country! Instructions are included! Evan B Milburn www.milburnorchards.com --- On Sun, 2/26/12, Gary Mount wrote: From: Gary Mount Subject: Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones To: "Apple-crop discussion list" Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 8:34 AM Well, that settles it. I definitely want to be the first kid on my block to get one. Then again, what color will it be painted? Gary Mount Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell On 2/24/2012 12:25 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote: > Actually, I just found this video which is much better: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related > >> Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some web info >> on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related and >> http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website indicated >> that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 hectares of rice >> in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that graph). >> >> > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones
Evan, Great to see your name. As always I am impressed at you uncanny ability to stay on the cutting edge of all things. I DO WHISH YOU WOULD GIVE US FIVE BULLET POINTS ON HOW TO CONTROL THE BANKER??? As it seems you have yours well under control. $1,000,000. For a glorified remote control airplane. Well done EVAN John BelleWood From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Evan B. Milburn Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:38 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones To bad Gary. My bankers have already given approval for my $1,000,000 loan. The company I ordered it from promised me that mine will be the only purple one in the country! Instructions are included! Evan B Milburn www.milburnorchards.com <http://www.milburnorchards.com/> --- On Sun, 2/26/12, Gary Mount wrote: From: Gary Mount Subject: Re: [apple-crop] agricultural drones To: "Apple-crop discussion list" Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 8:34 AM Well, that settles it. I definitely want to be the first kid on my block to get one. Then again, what color will it be painted? Gary Mount Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell On 2/24/2012 12:25 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote: > Actually, I just found this video which is much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6nQCgGTHw&feature=related> &feature=related > >> Peter Jentsch, entomologist at the Hudson Valley Lab, sent me some web info on Yamaha drones used for spraying rice in Japan (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds1BeKsZSho&feature=related> &feature=related and http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_rmax.htm). Another website indicated that these drones were already being used to spray 600,000 hectares of rice in Japan in 2005 (the last year included on that graph). >> >> > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net <http://us.mc659.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=apple-crop@virtualorchard.net> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net <http://us.mc659.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=apple-crop@virtualorchard.net> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
