[apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

[Kurt W. Alstede]

Hello Fellow Growers:

 

We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit input
from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere's.specifically a 5320N
2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both these
tractors.

 

We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland T4.75V.
They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base features and
horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the overall height
of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls that have been
added to the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are intrigued by how
relatively small the packaging of the New Holland vineyard tractor is with
an overall width of just 48".  We see a lot of opportunities for this
tightly packaged New Holland in our brambles and blueberries in addition to
our high density orchard blocks.  Having never owned a New Holland narrow
tractor and I was hoping that some of you might lend some insight into your
personal observations.  It appears to us that New Holland has put a lot of R
& D into their narrow and orchard tractors and that their "Blue Cab" is
quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would appreciate your feedback.

 

Thanks!

 

Kurt

 

 

Kurt W. Alstede

General Manager,

Alstede Farms, LLC

P.O. Box 278

1 Alstede Farms Lane,

Chester, New Jersey 07930

United States of America

 

Tel:  908-879-7189

Fax: 908-879-7815

  www.alstedefarms.com

 

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Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

[BMH]

Kurt,
We don't have any of the vineyard series New Holland models, but we 
have 2 of the orchard profile models, both with super-steer.  One is an 
open station and the other has a cab.
We have found New Holland's equipment to be competitive with John 
Deere equipment in terms of quality and peformance.  Some will like 
"green" better than "blue" no matter what.  However, our New Holland 
equipment has served very well and seems to be well-designed.  The New 
Holland cab is also more comfortable than the cabs on other equipment, 
especially the Kubota models.  (I don't want to knock Kubota, though, as 
they have the most fuel-efficient models on the market.)
These new tractors have a ton of electronics and the new emissions 
regulations add yet another layer to the complexity of their designs.  
There is always danger of electronics failure with any brand, so having 
a dealership nearby would be influential in a purchase decision, 
particularly if the price is competitive.  Do parts come from a local 
warehouse or do they have to be shipped from Europe?
We also have a JD 5083EN set up with forklifts front and back and 
my son says it's the best tractor we've even owned for that purpose.  He 
prefers the shuttle on the JD to the New Holland, but both work well.
In conclusion, I wouldn't fear the New Holland or the JD models you 
are investigating.  But we've been pleased with "blue's" performance, 
for sure.

-Brad

Brad M. Hollabaugh
General Manager
Hollabaugh Bros., Inc.

On 11/7/2015 9:50 AM, Kurt W. Alstede wrote:


Hello Fellow Growers:

We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit 
input from fellow growers.  We currently have John 
Deere’s…specifically a 5320N 2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We 
are very pleased with both these tractors.


We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland 
T4.75V. They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base 
features and horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about 
the overall height of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution 
controls that have been added to the tops of the engines.  Contrary, 
we are intrigued by how relatively small the packaging of the New 
Holland vineyard tractor is with an overall width of just 48”.  We see 
a lot of opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland in our 
brambles and blueberries in addition to our high density orchard 
blocks.  Having never owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was 
hoping that some of you might lend some insight into your personal 
observations.  It appears to us that New Holland has put a lot of R & 
D into their narrow and orchard tractors and that their “Blue Cab” is 
quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would appreciate your feedback.


Thanks!

Kurt

*Kurt W. Alstede*

General Manager,

Alstede Farms, LLC

P.O. Box 278

1 Alstede Farms Lane,

Chester, New Jersey 07930

United States of America

Tel: 908-879-7189

Fax: 908-879-7815

www.alstedefarms.com 

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Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

[Bill Beni]

We have a T4050f with the optional front 3pt. arms and PTO. We also have a
T4060f, both are orchard models with cabs. They are real workhorses. I love
the supersteer and how well they ride even on rough ground.
We also have 3 John Deere 5101EN models. We have appreciated the economy
PTO, it saves a ton on fuel. We went with the higher horsepower of the
5101so we would still have plenty of power at the lower engine RPM running
in economy PTO. With this option we can run 10 hours spraying on a tank of
fuel, where the New Holland is about 5 hours.
The John Deere has a more comfortable cab and offers more operator comfort
especially during long days. We like the electric PTO switch and shuttle
shift. It doesn't have a a very tight turning radius and rides very rough
compared to the New Holland and with the high hood it is harder to see up
close to the front. Our dealer told us that John Deere 5101EN is no longer
available. I am not sure about the lower horsepower models, but apparently
they will be redesigning the EN models to allow for the new Tier 4
requirements.
For maneuvering in close quarters and general working we prefer the New
Holland. We don't have the vineyard model so I can't comment on the cab
comfort. However the front 3 pt. hitch and PTO are valuable. However the
front PTO is 1000 rpm and runs in a reverse direction. We run a Perfect
Mower on the front which is great for visibility close to harvest and the
option to pull a sprayer at the same time. We will be mounting a 3pt.
forklift on the front for harvest which can be taken off quickly because it
is simply 3 pt. hitch. It also comes with mid mount valves for hydraulic
needs up front.
For fuel economy the economy PTO saves us a lot on fuel with the John
Deere. The Deere is more comfortable for long hours. There are a few more
options on the Deere, like lift arm controls on the back fenders for ease
of hooking up implements by yourself.
Both tractors have their strong points, and weaknesses. I am not sure what
the retooled Deere will be like, New Holland is in their 2nd year of Tier 4
engines.
This is are tight for service on both tractors due to being so compact.
We have had electrical and air conditioning issues with both brands. Hope
this helps.
On Nov 7, 2015 9:55 AM, "Kurt W. Alstede"  wrote:

> Hello Fellow Growers:
>
>
>
> We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit
> input from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere’s…specifically a
> 5320N 2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both
> these tractors.
>
>
>
> We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland
> T4.75V.  They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base
> features and horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the
> overall height of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls
> that have been added to the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are
> intrigued by how relatively small the packaging of the New Holland vineyard
> tractor is with an overall width of just 48”.  We see a lot of
> opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland in our brambles and
> blueberries in addition to our high density orchard blocks.  Having never
> owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was hoping that some of you might
> lend some insight into your personal observations.  It appears to us that
> New Holland has put a lot of R & D into their narrow and orchard tractors
> and that their “Blue Cab” is quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would
> appreciate your feedback.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
> *Kurt W. Alstede*
>
> General Manager,
>
> Alstede Farms, LLC
>
> P.O. Box 278
>
> 1 Alstede Farms Lane,
>
> Chester, New Jersey 07930
>
> United States of America
>
>
>
> Tel:  908-879-7189
>
> Fax: 908-879-7815
>
> www.alstedefarms.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [apple-crop] New Holland vs. John Deere

[Rusty Lamb]

Also don't have vineyard version but have 5 cab and 2 open station.  Once
you drive one you will not want to go back to a john deere.  With that said
we have only our better operators in them I do not think they are as tuff
as a john deere but you can't beat the ride. We have under 2000 hours on
them but no major problem yet.  The super steer is a big advantage over
other tractors when you go to close row spacing.

Rusty Lamb
Yonder Farms
rusty164l...@gmail.com

Hello Fellow Growers:



We are evaluating a new orchard tractor purchase and wanted to solicit
input from fellow growers.  We currently have John Deere’s…specifically a
5320N 2WD and a 5420N 4WD; both with cabs.  We are very pleased with both
these tractors.



We are currently looking at a John Deere 5085EN versus a New Holland
T4.75V.  They are both essentially the same tractor in terms of base
features and horsepower; prices are similar.  We are concerned about the
overall height of the John Deere caused by the Tier 3 pollution controls
that have been added to the tops of the engines.  Contrary, we are
intrigued by how relatively small the packaging of the New Holland vineyard
tractor is with an overall width of just 48”.  We see a lot of
opportunities for this tightly packaged New Holland in our brambles and
blueberries in addition to our high density orchard blocks.  Having never
owned a New Holland narrow tractor and I was hoping that some of you might
lend some insight into your personal observations.  It appears to us that
New Holland has put a lot of R & D into their narrow and orchard tractors
and that their “Blue Cab” is quite nicely engineered.  Again, we would
appreciate your feedback.



Thanks!



Kurt





*Kurt W. Alstede*

General Manager,

Alstede Farms, LLC

P.O. Box 278

1 Alstede Farms Lane,

Chester, New Jersey 07930

United States of America



Tel:  908-879-7189

Fax: 908-879-7815

www.alstedefarms.com



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