Re: RANT: what a dead project looks like

2009-01-13 Thread Issac Goldstand
Without diminishing your point (because it's valid, and you're right),
let's also consider how many of us are in development-centric (or at
least httpd-centric) jobs as compared to the rest of the httpd project
developers...  I think there are substantially less of us working jobs
around apreq as there are httpd developers around httpd.   (There also
isn't much advancement of the project feature-wise lately either; we
should release faster, but there's not much to release lately)

PMC members should, however, at least put more effort into making time
to test releases and vote. 

  Issac

Joe Schaefer wrote:
 Dead projects typically have a bus-factor of 1,
 where committers have all gotten into the habit
 of waiting for one another to come along for the
 ride.  It's true that somebody has to drive the
 bus, but the driver should rotate (and is named
 RM).  The only person allowed to set a schedule
 for a healthy project is an RM, everyone else
 is only allowed to block progress by using their
 voting rights.  This bs we tell each other about
 things we all plan to do soon needs to come
 to a close if we're ever going to be able to handle
 the support load httpd may be asking us to take on.
   



RANT: what a dead project looks like

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
Dead projects typically have a bus-factor of 1,
where committers have all gotten into the habit
of waiting for one another to come along for the
ride.  It's true that somebody has to drive the
bus, but the driver should rotate (and is named
RM).  The only person allowed to set a schedule
for a healthy project is an RM, everyone else
is only allowed to block progress by using their
voting rights.  This bs we tell each other about
things we all plan to do soon needs to come
to a close if we're ever going to be able to handle
the support load httpd may be asking us to take on.