Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-09 Thread Axilleas Pi
On 08/10/2012 03:08 AM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote:
> Hey Squall,
>
> I took the opportunity and created a small very simple PKGBUILD for
> your application. I assume it doesn't depend on something special.
> Also the package name will have to change and this will affect the
> PKGBUILD as well.
>
> When you move to git you will also have to change the PKGBUILD.
>
> This is the first time I make a PKGBUILD file so if someone notice
> something wrong please let me know.
>
> # PKGBUILD for mime backup tool
> # Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos 
> pkgname=mime
> pkgver=2.0.0
> pkgrel=1
> pkgdesc="Mime is a command line backup program written in Python"
> arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
since it's a python app, arch should be 'any'
>
> url="http://http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/";
There's a double http:// :P
>
> license=('GPL3')
> depends=('python2')
> source=(http://mime-backup.googlecode.com/files/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)
> md5sums=('9f6c3a33bffde6126b7a7bd85d38e7c5')
>
> build() {
> cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
> chmod 644 $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/mime.conf.sample
> python2 setup.py install --root=$pkgdir || return 1
|| return 1 is not needed any more, pacman handles it. Rename startdir
to srcdir.
Also it's a good practice to place brackets {} around pkgdir and srcdir,
or place the whole path in double quotes.
>
> }
>
> What do you think?
>
>



[arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.4.8-1

2012-08-09 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Hi guys,
please signoff 3.4.8 series for both arches.
package is not in testing, please grab it from here:
http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/

This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.1 is in [testing].

greetings
tpowa
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Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-09 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:42 AM, David C. Rankin
 wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 08:43 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM, David C. Rankin
>>  wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2012 11:02 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need
 any information in the beginners guide.  At the very beginning of each
 of those guides the intended audiences are described.
>>>
>>>
>>> I get that, and I do appreciate the concise nature of the install_guide. On
>>> the other hand, what percentage of users are already grub2 experts?
>>
>> The installation guide is for those who know what they're doing. That
>> INCLUDES (IMHO) the knowledge that grub2 exists and that it has its
>> own wiki page. Conciseness is more important for this page than trying
>> to include things some people may not know.
>>
>
> I agree with all you said. I guess I just look at it from the standpoint of
> "What would someone who wants to try Arch need to make it work, and how could 
> it
> be made easier?" The conciseness is great, but the easier it is to follow the
> trail, the better.

By adding a link to the grub2 wiki =)


Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-09 Thread Jan Steffens
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:32 AM, David C. Rankin
 wrote:
> Guys,
>
>   The latest scribus update attempts to install gimp-light 2.6.11 (not 
> 2.6.12?)
> as a dependency for the update. This fails on my box because I created a 
> gimp26
> package which is gimp 2.6.12.
>
>   Is the 'gimp-light' being pulled in my scribus a full gimp 2.6 install? If 
> it
> is, I'm happy to dump my package and just use it. Anybody know more about this
> new 'gimp-light' package that scribus wants?
>
> --
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

There is no gimp-light package in the repositories, and scribus does
not depend on gimp.


Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread gt
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 04:14:20PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 03:56 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> >
> >Must keep up with the I need a new version because the old one is working too
> >well.
> >Must find something to break
> >
> >Aye, the microsoft culture has finally invaded linux.
> >
> >
> 
> No kidding!
> 
>   In more ways than one... It's nice to know the new thunderbird
> only requires about 100M more RAM than thunderbird 2.x did. Good
> lord! So much for tight, well optimized code that uses minimal
> resources. Take a look at:
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing:Memory_Usage_Problems
> 
> ** don't forget to look under the "References" section at the end.
> Especially the bug fixes that talk about correcting "massive memory
> usage"...

Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are
having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times
and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical
client).

Also, for browser based solutions maybe you can give opera (it includes
a good email client), or seamonkey a try.

In the end if you don't have something against cli clients, you can try
mutt or sup.


[arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys,

  The latest scribus update attempts to install gimp-light 2.6.11 (not 2.6.12?)
as a dependency for the update. This fails on my box because I created a gimp26
package which is gimp 2.6.12.

  Is the 'gimp-light' being pulled in my scribus a full gimp 2.6 install? If it
is, I'm happy to dump my package and just use it. Anybody know more about this
new 'gimp-light' package that scribus wants?

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Kyle
Thanks for posting the information about journalless ext4. I now have a 
100MB ext4 /boot partition with no journal on my flash drive rather than 
using ext2. Syslinux is working perfectly with this configuration.

~Kyle


Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 08/09/2012 08:43 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM, David C. Rankin
>  wrote:
>> On 08/05/2012 11:02 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>> The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need
>>> any information in the beginners guide.  At the very beginning of each
>>> of those guides the intended audiences are described.
>>
>>
>> I get that, and I do appreciate the concise nature of the install_guide. On
>> the other hand, what percentage of users are already grub2 experts?
> 
> The installation guide is for those who know what they're doing. That
> INCLUDES (IMHO) the knowledge that grub2 exists and that it has its
> own wiki page. Conciseness is more important for this page than trying
> to include things some people may not know.
> 

I agree with all you said. I guess I just look at it from the standpoint of
"What would someone who wants to try Arch need to make it work, and how could it
be made easier?" The conciseness is great, but the easier it is to follow the
trail, the better.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.


Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:56:39 -0500
"David C. Rankin"  wrote:

> On 08/05/2012 11:02 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need
> > any information in the beginners guide.  At the very beginning of each
> > of those guides the intended audiences are described.
> 
> I get that, and I do appreciate the concise nature of the install_guide. On 
> the other hand, what percentage of users are already grub2 experts?
> 

Well, you don't have to be an expert in bootloaders to use them these days.
For example, I don't even care about the format of syslinux.cfg, yet I
installed syslinux on my Arch router w/o any problems. You have to know about
MBR, initramfs and kernel image, but that's about it. On the other hand, if
someone wants to boot from an encrypted LVM volume with UEFI and GPT -- either
learn or use Fedora...

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Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-09 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM, David C. Rankin
 wrote:
> On 08/05/2012 11:02 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>
>> The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need
>> any information in the beginners guide.  At the very beginning of each
>> of those guides the intended audiences are described.
>
>
> I get that, and I do appreciate the concise nature of the install_guide. On
> the other hand, what percentage of users are already grub2 experts?

The installation guide is for those who know what they're doing. That
INCLUDES (IMHO) the knowledge that grub2 exists and that it has its
own wiki page. Conciseness is more important for this page than trying
to include things some people may not know.


[arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel

2012-08-09 Thread Sudaraka Wijesinghe
Hi Everyone,

I have an external monitor connected to my laptop via HDMI which I use
side by side to get an extended desktop.

When I boot the system with 3.5 Kernel I don't get any signal on the
external monitor, laptop display and everything else work fine.

It works fine with 3.4.x Kernels, and I believe it's not a X problem as
it's not getting any signal even before X starts (It does with 3.4.x).

I was wondering if anyone else has this issue and possibly a solution,
or is this something I need to submit upstream?

Thanks.

-- 

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Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-09 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
Hey Squall,

I took the opportunity and created a small very simple PKGBUILD for
your application. I assume it doesn't depend on something special.
Also the package name will have to change and this will affect the
PKGBUILD as well.

When you move to git you will also have to change the PKGBUILD.

This is the first time I make a PKGBUILD file so if someone notice
something wrong please let me know.

# PKGBUILD for mime backup tool
# Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos 
pkgname=mime
pkgver=2.0.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Mime is a command line backup program written in Python"
arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
url="http://http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/";
license=('GPL3')
depends=('python2')
source=(http://mime-backup.googlecode.com/files/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)
md5sums=('9f6c3a33bffde6126b7a7bd85d38e7c5')

build() {
cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
chmod 644 $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/mime.conf.sample
python2 setup.py install --root=$pkgdir || return 1
}

What do you think?


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Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.07.2012 05:46, schrieb Not To Miss:
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191008] PGD 10b42e067 PUD 0
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191011] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT SMP
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191015] CPU 0
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191016] Modules linked in: fuse
> pci_stub vboxpci(O) vboxnetflt(O) vboxnetadp(O) vboxdrv(O)
> snd_hda_codec_realtek nvidia(PO) r8169 snd_hd
> a_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd
> soundcore microcode psmouse i2c_i801 serio_raw intel_agp processor pcspkr
> iTCO_wdt coretemp mii evdev inte
> l_gtt iTCO_vendor_support button i2c_core ext4 crc16 jbd2 mbcache raid0
> raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor xor async_tx
> raid6_pq raid1 md_mod sr_mod cdr
> om sd_mod usbhid pata_jmicron hid pata_acpi ahci libahci uhci_hcd ata_piix
> ata_generic ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod usbcore usb_common floppy
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191057]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191059] Pid: 1373, comm: gnome-shell
> Tainted: P   O 3.4.4-2-ARCH #1 Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
> P35-DS3R/P35-DS3R
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191063] RIP:
> 0010:[]  [] _nv003990rm+0x4160/0xa790
> [nvidia]

This originates in the nvidia driver, so it is likely there is a bug
there. Try if the problem still occurs with nouveau.

There have been occasions where virtualbox causes weird errors in the
kernel, so you could also try disabling the virtualbox modules - it is
still more likely that nvidia is the problem.




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Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-08-09 Thread Squall Lionheart
Not sure if it's any help, but it looks like your using virtualbox.  I am
also using it to run XP and ever since I started using the multiple monitor
option in the XP virtual machine, it hasn't been as stable.  I also use the
Seamless mode, which causes some random graphics glitches.  My system
became un-responsive earlier today however, I was still able to CTRL+F1 to
a virtual console and from their I had to init 3 and then init 5 to get my
desktop back.  I think this is a virtualbox issue.

Squall

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Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-09 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM, fredbezies  wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and
> burn mp3 to a CD.

< snip >

> Any ideas ?

Maybe you need to install gstreamer0.10-bad-plugins (optional dependency).


Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin

On 08/09/2012 03:56 PM, Baho Utot wrote:


Must keep up with the I need a new version because the old one is working too
well.
Must find something to break

Aye, the microsoft culture has finally invaded linux.




No kidding!

  In more ways than one... It's nice to know the new thunderbird only 
requires about 100M more RAM than thunderbird 2.x did. Good lord! So much for 
tight, well optimized code that uses minimal resources. Take a look at:


https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing:Memory_Usage_Problems

** don't forget to look under the "References" section at the end. Especially 
the bug fixes that talk about correcting "massive memory usage"...


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Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-08-09 Thread Not To Miss
I've updated Arch and all the observations I had before are amost gone
(the jittering screen and one monitor can't be locked). But the
problem of sporadic freezing is still happening. It's so annoying. I
tried the boot flag "clocksource=HPET" suggested by Myra as following
but it doesn't work:

 53 LABEL arch
 54 MENU LABEL Arch Linux
 55 LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux
 56 APPEND root=/dev/md2 ro modprobe.blacklist=floppy clocksource=HPET
 57 INITRD ../initramfs-linux.img


Here is the record in /var/log/everything.log just before it happened
(these call stacks are logged sometimes, not every time it hangs):
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912096] BUG: unable to handle kernel
paging request at 002015f822c0
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912102] IP: []
_nv004044rm+0x447f/0xae8b [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912264] PGD 10fb0b067 PUD 0
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912267] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT SMP
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912271] CPU 3
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912272] Modules linked in: fuse
pci_stub vboxpci(O) vboxnetflt(O) vboxnetadp(O) vboxdrv(O)
snd_hda_codec_realtek nvidia(PO) snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer pcspkr serio_raw
r8169 microcode evdev processor button i2c_i801 intel_agp coretemp i2c_core
psmouse intel_gtt snd soun
dcore iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support mii ext4 crc16 jbd2 mbcache raid0
raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor xor async_tx
raid6_pq raid1 md_mod sr_mod usbhid
hid cdrom sd_mod pata_jmicron pata_acpi ata_generic ata_piix uhci_hcd ahci
libahci ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod usbcore usb_common
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912314]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912316] Pid: 1637, comm: gnome-shell
Tainted: P   O 3.4.7-1-ARCH #1 Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
P35-DS3R/P35-DS3R
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912320] RIP:
0010:[]  [] _nv004044rm+0x447f/0xae8b
[nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912445] RSP: 0018:88010b779a68
EFLAGS: 00010246
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912447] RAX: ffbb RBX:
88010faa0008 RCX: 00088004
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912449] RDX: 88010faa0380 RSI:
88010faa0008 RDI: 002015f82008
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912451] RBP: 880110e45fe0 R08:
 R09: 880110e45fec
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912454] R10:  R11:
0246 R12: 00088004
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912456] R13:  R14:
88010faa0380 R15: 
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912458] FS:  7ffc16a8d940()
GS:88011fd8() knlGS:
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912461] CS:  0010 DS:  ES: 
CR0: 80050033
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912463] CR2: 002015f822c0 CR3:
00010fb08000 CR4: 27e0
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912465] DR0:  DR1:
 DR2: 
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912467] DR3:  DR6:
0ff0 DR7: 0400
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912469] Process gnome-shell (pid:
1637, threadinfo 88010b778000, task 8801188c3f80)
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912471] Stack:
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912472]  88010faa0008
88010faa0008  00088004
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912477]  c90005084008
a06d9b3c 880115f86000 88010faa0008
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912481]  
880110e43000 c90005084008 a0917c20
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912485] Call Trace:
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912609]  [] ?
_nv004044rm+0x4373/0xae8b [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912663]  [] ?
rm_check_pci_config_space+0x4f0/0xab9 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912714]  [] ?
nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv014810rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv014853rm+0x31/0x389 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv009812rm+0xf7/0x13a [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv004044rm+0x4a81/0xae8b [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
rm_check_pci_config_space+0x93f/0xab9 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
__kmalloc+0x2e/0x180
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv014810rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv000535rm+0x62/0x98 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv016391rm+0x39/0x74 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 phelps kernel: [72554.912749]  [] ?
_nv016929rm+0x1517/0x1568 [nvidia]
Aug  9 16:25:38 

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot

On 08/09/2012 03:54 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 08/08/2012 03:20 PM, PyroPeter wrote:



Thunderbird really is a big pile of crap. There are bugs everywhere! I
havn't seen something this bad since KDE 4.0. The only reason I didn't
switch to mutt yet is that I don't know how to replace the filter 
feature.


You know when projects start playing the 'version number game' the 
important part of development suffers. I have used thunderbird for 
years without complaint. In the past 12 months it has archived mail 
into oblivion and really suffered a lot from the (I want to be a web 
browser too) bloat...


It is comical to think how many years it took to go from version 1.x 
to version 2.x in slow measured steps, and now:


[2010-04-22 22:19] installed thunderbird (3.0.4-1)
[2010-07-11 04:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.0.4-1 -> 3.1-2)
[2010-07-20 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1-2 -> 3.1.1-1)
[2010-08-09 02:27] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.1-1 -> 3.1.2-1)
[2010-09-09 23:22] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.2-1 -> 3.1.3-1)
[2010-09-18 17:57] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.3-1 -> 3.1.4-1)
[2010-09-28 18:58] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-1 -> 3.1.4-2)
[2010-10-19 18:21] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-2 -> 3.1.5-1)
[2010-10-30 01:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.5-1 -> 3.1.6-1)
[2010-12-09 16:46] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.6-1 -> 3.1.7-1)
[2010-12-11 15:03] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-1 -> 3.1.7-2)
[2010-12-31 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-2 -> 3.1.7-3)
[2011-03-01 20:56] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-3 -> 3.1.8-1)
[2011-03-07 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.8-1 -> 3.1.9-1)
[2011-03-16 12:24] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-1 -> 3.1.9-2)
[2011-04-29 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-2 -> 3.1.10-1)
[2011-05-04 00:25] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-1 -> 3.1.10-2)
[2011-06-05 17:13] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-2 -> 3.1.10-3)
[2011-06-22 14:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-3 -> 3.1.11-1)
[2011-06-29 08:26] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1)
[2011-06-29 11:05] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 3.1.11-1)
[2011-06-30 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1)
[2011-08-17 08:58] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 6.0-1)
[2011-08-31 10:29] upgraded thunderbird (6.0-1 -> 6.0.1-1)
[2011-09-06 21:55] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.1-1 -> 6.0.2-1)
[2011-09-28 01:01] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.2-1 -> 7.0-1)
[2011-10-03 13:24] upgraded thunderbird (7.0-1 -> 7.0.1-1)
[2011-11-08 15:51] upgraded thunderbird (7.0.1-1 -> 8.0-1)
[2011-12-22 11:45] upgraded thunderbird (8.0-1 -> 9.0-1)
[2011-12-24 22:17] upgraded thunderbird (9.0-1 -> 9.0.1-1)
[2012-02-03 10:22] upgraded thunderbird (9.0.1-1 -> 10.0-0)
[2012-02-07 09:48] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-0 -> 10.0-2)
[2012-02-13 13:44] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-2 -> 10.0.1-1)
[2012-02-17 11:54] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.1-1 -> 10.0.2-1)
[2012-03-19 13:20] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.2-1 -> 11.0-1)
[2012-04-05 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (11.0-1 -> 11.0.1-1)
[2012-04-23 16:11] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-1 -> 11.0.1-2)
[2012-04-26 09:00] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-2 -> 12.0-1)
[2012-05-09 16:24] upgraded thunderbird (12.0-1 -> 12.0.1-1)
[2012-06-14 13:39] upgraded thunderbird (12.0.1-1 -> 13.0-1)
[2012-06-19 13:06] upgraded thunderbird (13.0-1 -> 13.0.1-1)
[2012-07-20 11:15] upgraded thunderbird (13.0.1-1 -> 14.0-1)

  Oh well, so goes many projects...




Must keep up with the I need a new version because the old one is 
working too well.

Must find something to break

Aye, the microsoft culture has finally invaded linux.







Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread Squall Lionheart
My opinion is that they are trying to keep up with the version number of
chromium.  So many in the past have plaid with version numbers to make them
selfs "look" better and more mature.  M$ has done it, Slackware did it,
Mozilla is doing it...

$ pacman -Ss chromium
extra/chromium 21.0.1180.75-1

Squall

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Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin

On 08/05/2012 11:02 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need
any information in the beginners guide.  At the very beginning of each
of those guides the intended audiences are described.


I get that, and I do appreciate the concise nature of the install_guide. On 
the other hand, what percentage of users are already grub2 experts?


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Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin

On 08/08/2012 03:20 PM, PyroPeter wrote:



Thunderbird really is a big pile of crap. There are bugs everywhere! I
havn't seen something this bad since KDE 4.0. The only reason I didn't
switch to mutt yet is that I don't know how to replace the filter feature.


You know when projects start playing the 'version number game' the important 
part of development suffers. I have used thunderbird for years without 
complaint. In the past 12 months it has archived mail into oblivion and really 
suffered a lot from the (I want to be a web browser too) bloat...


It is comical to think how many years it took to go from version 1.x to 
version 2.x in slow measured steps, and now:


[2010-04-22 22:19] installed thunderbird (3.0.4-1)
[2010-07-11 04:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.0.4-1 -> 3.1-2)
[2010-07-20 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1-2 -> 3.1.1-1)
[2010-08-09 02:27] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.1-1 -> 3.1.2-1)
[2010-09-09 23:22] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.2-1 -> 3.1.3-1)
[2010-09-18 17:57] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.3-1 -> 3.1.4-1)
[2010-09-28 18:58] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-1 -> 3.1.4-2)
[2010-10-19 18:21] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-2 -> 3.1.5-1)
[2010-10-30 01:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.5-1 -> 3.1.6-1)
[2010-12-09 16:46] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.6-1 -> 3.1.7-1)
[2010-12-11 15:03] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-1 -> 3.1.7-2)
[2010-12-31 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-2 -> 3.1.7-3)
[2011-03-01 20:56] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-3 -> 3.1.8-1)
[2011-03-07 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.8-1 -> 3.1.9-1)
[2011-03-16 12:24] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-1 -> 3.1.9-2)
[2011-04-29 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-2 -> 3.1.10-1)
[2011-05-04 00:25] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-1 -> 3.1.10-2)
[2011-06-05 17:13] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-2 -> 3.1.10-3)
[2011-06-22 14:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-3 -> 3.1.11-1)
[2011-06-29 08:26] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1)
[2011-06-29 11:05] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 3.1.11-1)
[2011-06-30 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1)
[2011-08-17 08:58] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 6.0-1)
[2011-08-31 10:29] upgraded thunderbird (6.0-1 -> 6.0.1-1)
[2011-09-06 21:55] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.1-1 -> 6.0.2-1)
[2011-09-28 01:01] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.2-1 -> 7.0-1)
[2011-10-03 13:24] upgraded thunderbird (7.0-1 -> 7.0.1-1)
[2011-11-08 15:51] upgraded thunderbird (7.0.1-1 -> 8.0-1)
[2011-12-22 11:45] upgraded thunderbird (8.0-1 -> 9.0-1)
[2011-12-24 22:17] upgraded thunderbird (9.0-1 -> 9.0.1-1)
[2012-02-03 10:22] upgraded thunderbird (9.0.1-1 -> 10.0-0)
[2012-02-07 09:48] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-0 -> 10.0-2)
[2012-02-13 13:44] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-2 -> 10.0.1-1)
[2012-02-17 11:54] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.1-1 -> 10.0.2-1)
[2012-03-19 13:20] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.2-1 -> 11.0-1)
[2012-04-05 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (11.0-1 -> 11.0.1-1)
[2012-04-23 16:11] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-1 -> 11.0.1-2)
[2012-04-26 09:00] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-2 -> 12.0-1)
[2012-05-09 16:24] upgraded thunderbird (12.0-1 -> 12.0.1-1)
[2012-06-14 13:39] upgraded thunderbird (12.0.1-1 -> 13.0-1)
[2012-06-19 13:06] upgraded thunderbird (13.0-1 -> 13.0.1-1)
[2012-07-20 11:15] upgraded thunderbird (13.0.1-1 -> 14.0-1)

  Oh well, so goes many projects...

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Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin

On 08/08/2012 11:46 AM, Baho Utot wrote:

What version of thunderbird where you using?

I have 13.0


  I have 14.0. You are very lucky, I see anywhere from 30-99.9% when 
accessing folders, scrolling, etc.. After it completes all operations, then it 
will settle down to 0.3%. I have tried different desktops, fluxbox, gnome, 
etc.. and the behavior remains the same (better in fluxbox, but not by much)


  I guess this is something I will just have to watch. Nothing jumps out as 
being the cause. I don't know if there is something gtk related that could do 
it, or what other errors I would expect to see if that were the case. I'll 
poke around some more and report back with anything that looks promising.


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Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread David C. Rankin

On 08/08/2012 08:33 AM, Adam Sparks wrote:

I saw an email just like this like week and made a switch to chromium.
There is a difference. Especially when opening a new window, Firefox has
some very large spikes. Don't use Thunderbird so I cannot say anything
about that.


Thanks,

  If you are running chromium -- *make sure* you tweak the privacy settings 
to that it isn't sending all your browsing information back to its master. 
That is the primary reason I do not use it. I know it isn't as bad on Linux as 
on windows, but there are still concerns.


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Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread Squall Lionheart
>
> I've got similar issues with Thunderbird, when I've got installed
> enigmail. Maybe that's the issue?


I would suggest disabling all your add ons and see if anything changes with
your cpu usage.  I run these apps on a regular bases with minimal
extensions and have never had cpu usage issues, unless a poorly written web
page start to freak out.

Squall

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Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-09 Thread Łukasz Redynk
I've got similar issues with Thunderbird, when I've got installed 
enigmail. Maybe that's the issue?


On 08/09/2012 05:04 PM, Squall Lionheart wrote:

I run firefox 14.0.1 and thunderbird 14.0 from extra and don't have any
issues with performance.  Have you checked your plugins to see if any of
those might causing issues?

Squall




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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
> superior in every aspect.

ext4 is superior and it even beats btrfs in some speed tests. However,
it is rare that any new thing is superior in every respect.

An ext2 filesystem is easier to recover with tools like testdisk rather
than file carving and ext2 is supported on more operating systems.
Neither of these apply to /boot but if you don't need the more complex
journaling (that allows writes of a sort on a read only mount) where
your kernel is stored then why have it, though there seems to be a
reason now.

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 18:27, schrieb Manolo Martínez:
> On 08/09/12 at 06:26pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 09.08.2012 18:23, schrieb Manolo Martínez:
>>> On 08/09/12 at 11:18am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
 On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:35:04 -0400
 Manolo Martínez  wrote:
> Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?

 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4

>>> Is the information on the move from ext3 to ext4 valid for the issue at
>>> hand?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
> 
> Thanks, Thomas and Leonid.
> M

To be more precise:

The wiki shows the following command:

# tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/the_partition
This converts ext3 to ext4 or ext2 to journal-less ext4.

# tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/the_partition
This converts both ext2 and ext3 to ext4

# tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,^has_journal /dev/the_partition
This converts both ext2 and ext3 to journal-less ext4

I haven't tried most of this, but it should work.

(Beware: This command alone doesn't work, only use it as described in
the wiki.)



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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 08/09/12 at 06:26pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 09.08.2012 18:23, schrieb Manolo Martínez:
> > On 08/09/12 at 11:18am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:35:04 -0400
> >> Manolo Martínez  wrote:
> >>> Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?
> >>
> >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4
> >>
> > Is the information on the move from ext3 to ext4 valid for the issue at
> > hand?
> 
> Yes.
> 

Thanks, Thomas and Leonid.
M


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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 18:23, schrieb Manolo Martínez:
> On 08/09/12 at 11:18am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:35:04 -0400
>> Manolo Martínez  wrote:
>>> Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?
>>
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4
>>
> Is the information on the move from ext3 to ext4 valid for the issue at
> hand?

Yes.



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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 08/09/12 at 11:18am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:35:04 -0400
> Manolo Martínez  wrote:
> > Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4
> 
Is the information on the move from ext3 to ext4 valid for the issue at
hand?

M


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot

On 08/09/2012 12:12 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote:

[putolin]

... and another enthralling battle of wits brought to you by 
arch-general! 


I think that it's general archcommander and chief






Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:35:04 -0400
Manolo Martínez  wrote:

> On 08/09/12 at 05:27pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> > Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:
> > > In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
> > > journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
> > > filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
> > > space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
> > > times or disk usage.
> > 
> > Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
> > superior in every aspect.
> > 
> > 
> Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4

> 
> Manolo
> 
> 



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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot

On 08/09/2012 12:08 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Am 09.08.2012 17:58, schrieb Baho Utot:

It is not 10 year old information it was published just after ext4 came out

google is your friend.

It is still outdated information. After ext4 came out, it took a few
months until Google started implementing ext4 without a journal -
precisely because ext2 was outdated and had bad performance. This work
has been finished long ago and is available to everyone.

It seems Google is _your_ friend.



What ever, I am not going to bow down to you



Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 08/09/12 at 06:08pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 09.08.2012 17:58, schrieb Baho Utot:
> > It is not 10 year old information it was published just after ext4 came out
> > 
> > google is your friend.
> 
> It is still outdated information. After ext4 came out, it took a few
> months until Google started implementing ext4 without a journal -
> precisely because ext2 was outdated and had bad performance. This work
> has been finished long ago and is available to everyone.
> 
> It seems Google is _your_ friend.
> 

... and another enthralling battle of wits brought to you by
arch-general! 
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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 17:58, schrieb Baho Utot:
> It is not 10 year old information it was published just after ext4 came out
> 
> google is your friend.

It is still outdated information. After ext4 came out, it took a few
months until Google started implementing ext4 without a journal -
precisely because ext2 was outdated and had bad performance. This work
has been finished long ago and is available to everyone.

It seems Google is _your_ friend.



Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:12:34 -0400
Jonathan  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Ionut Biru  wrote:
> > On 08/09/2012 01:55 AM, Myra Nelson wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dave Reisner  wrote:
> >>> On Aug 8, 2012 6:04 PM, "Allan McRae"  wrote:
> 
>  On 09/08/12 05:29, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
> > Am 08.08.2012 21:25, schrieb Evangelos Foutras:
> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Tobias Powalowski
> >>  wrote:
> >>> It was just a rebuild, with an added optdepend :/
> >>> Sorry folks, didn't want to break something.
> >>> I don't have the time now to look at it.
> >> Seems like a patch was added: avoid-using-ext2_fs.patch.
> >>
> >> I took the liberty to remove the package from [testing] until we
> >> figure out what's broken.
> > The patch is from fedora, to be able to build syslinux.
> > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/syslinux.git/tree/
> >
> 
>  It is needed as the ext2 fs stuff has been removed from the kernel
> >>> headers.
> 
>  Allan
> 
> >>>
> >>> Incidentally it also causes ext2 /boot to be unbootable.
> >>
> >> Incidentally it also causes ext2 /boot to be unbootable, without a
> >> doubt it does.
> >>
> >> Dave's install scripts work great easiest install I've ever done,
> >> however it won't boot off of ext2 with syslinux.
> >>
> >
> > Why do you want ext2 on /boot? All bootloaders support ext3/4 this days.
> >
> >> Myra
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ionuț
> >
> 
> In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
> journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
> filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
> space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
> times or disk usage.

But there is no ext{2,3} these days. The driver is ext4 for all ext* FS, only
configurations differ...

> 
> to see journal size:
> device=/dev/sda7; debugfs -R "stat <$(tune2fs -l $device | awk
> '/Journal.inode/ {print $3}')>" $device |& awk '/Size: / {print $6}' |
> head -1; unset device
> 
> John



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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot

On 08/09/2012 11:45 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Am 09.08.2012 17:34, schrieb Baho Utot:

On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:

In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
times or disk usage.

Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
superior in every aspect.



Ext2

Ext2 stands for second extended file system.
It was introduced in 1993. Developed by Rémy Card.
This was developed to overcome the limitation of the original ext file
system.
Ext2 does not have journaling feature.
On flash drives, usb drives, ext2 is recommended, as it doesn’t need to
do the over head of journaling.
Maximum individual file size can be from 16 GB to 2 TB
Overall ext2 file system size can be from 2 TB to 32 TB

Have a look at entry 5.

Thanks for telling me to look at "entry 5" but not enumerating the
entries. Thanks for quoting 10 year old information without giving a source.

What are you trying to tell us again?



I gave you credit to be able to count, I guess you have trouble with that.

It is not 10 year old information it was published just after ext4 came out

google is your friend.





Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 17:34, schrieb Baho Utot:
> On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:
>>> In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
>>> journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
>>> filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
>>> space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
>>> times or disk usage.
>> Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
>> superior in every aspect.
>>
>>
> 
> Ext2
> 
> Ext2 stands for second extended file system.
> It was introduced in 1993. Developed by Rémy Card.
> This was developed to overcome the limitation of the original ext file
> system.
> Ext2 does not have journaling feature.
> On flash drives, usb drives, ext2 is recommended, as it doesn’t need to
> do the over head of journaling.
> Maximum individual file size can be from 16 GB to 2 TB
> Overall ext2 file system size can be from 2 TB to 32 TB
> 
> Have a look at entry 5.

Thanks for telling me to look at "entry 5" but not enumerating the
entries. Thanks for quoting 10 year old information without giving a source.

What are you trying to tell us again?



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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 17:35, schrieb Manolo Martínez:
> On 08/09/12 at 05:27pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:
>>> In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
>>> journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
>>> filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
>>> space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
>>> times or disk usage.
>>
>> Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
>> superior in every aspect.
>>
>>
> Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?

There's HOWTOs on doing this. You won't use all the features, but your
files will convert to extents while being updated.

To be safe, reinstall your bootloader after converting.




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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Baho Utot  wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Then use ext4 without a journal.

[snip]

> On flash drives, usb drives, ext2 is recommended, as it doesn’t need to do
> the over head of journaling.

Same holds for ext4 without journaling...


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 08/09/12 at 05:27pm, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:
> > In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
> > journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
> > filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
> > space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
> > times or disk usage.
> 
> Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
> superior in every aspect.
> 
> 
Is it safe to change an existing /boot from ext2 to ext4?

Manolo


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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot

On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:

In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
times or disk usage.

Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
superior in every aspect.




Ext2

Ext2 stands for second extended file system.
It was introduced in 1993. Developed by Rémy Card.
This was developed to overcome the limitation of the original ext file 
system.

Ext2 does not have journaling feature.
On flash drives, usb drives, ext2 is recommended, as it doesn’t need to 
do the over head of journaling.

Maximum individual file size can be from 16 GB to 2 TB
Overall ext2 file system size can be from 2 TB to 32 TB

Have a look at entry 5.


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan:
> In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
> journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
> filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
> space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
> times or disk usage.

Then use ext4 without a journal. ext2 is out of date and ext4 is
superior in every aspect.




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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Jonathan
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Ionut Biru  wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 01:55 AM, Myra Nelson wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dave Reisner  wrote:
>>> On Aug 8, 2012 6:04 PM, "Allan McRae"  wrote:

 On 09/08/12 05:29, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
> Am 08.08.2012 21:25, schrieb Evangelos Foutras:
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Tobias Powalowski
>>  wrote:
>>> It was just a rebuild, with an added optdepend :/
>>> Sorry folks, didn't want to break something.
>>> I don't have the time now to look at it.
>> Seems like a patch was added: avoid-using-ext2_fs.patch.
>>
>> I took the liberty to remove the package from [testing] until we
>> figure out what's broken.
> The patch is from fedora, to be able to build syslinux.
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/syslinux.git/tree/
>

 It is needed as the ext2 fs stuff has been removed from the kernel
>>> headers.

 Allan

>>>
>>> Incidentally it also causes ext2 /boot to be unbootable.
>>
>> Incidentally it also causes ext2 /boot to be unbootable, without a
>> doubt it does.
>>
>> Dave's install scripts work great easiest install I've ever done,
>> however it won't boot off of ext2 with syslinux.
>>
>
> Why do you want ext2 on /boot? All bootloaders support ext3/4 this days.
>
>> Myra
>>
>
>
> --
> Ionuț
>

In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a
journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the
filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some
space. These may matter to you if you are trying to optimize boot
times or disk usage.

to see journal size:
device=/dev/sda7; debugfs -R "stat <$(tune2fs -l $device | awk
'/Journal.inode/ {print $3}')>" $device |& awk '/Size: / {print $6}' |
head -1; unset device

John


[arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-09 Thread fredbezies
Hello.

I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and
burn mp3 to a CD.

I got an error box saying :

"Name of mp3 file" could not be opened

"Name of mp3 file" is not suitable for audio or video media

I had to use k3b. By the way, only mp3 are not usable. Flac files are ok.

Any ideas ?

Thanks.

-- 
Frederic Bezies
fredbez...@gmail.com