Re: [arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:27:11 -0500
Jude DaShiell  wrote:

> After having run arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash one of the things I
> do is to run alsactl store.
> alsactl store returns error 125 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state no such
> file or directory.  Certainly there's no such file since when alsa
> was run before arch-chroot got run on system boot /mnt/var/lib/alsa
> directory was empty having just run pacstrap on /mnt.  So since this
> is supposed to work, could it be arch-chroot script fails to collect
> and pass along enough of the right environment information to its
> chrooted environment for alsactl store to run?  Details are available
> at: information at:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=43f6670eb3bde26ad6491d2faa631625109f88d0
> 

As a sidenote: Why are you running alsactl store inside the chroot?

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:43:41 +0400
Eric Vidal  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm the creator of Obarun
> I use runit for PID1 and managing service. Repo is available for all
> package builded without systemd support. All this package have the
> name xxx-systemd to avoid trouble with original package. Package are
> maintained every week (one time per week). all this package doesn't
> have service declaration to allow other distro to use it like
> manjaro, alphaos etecetera... A github with all the pkgbuild used is
> available here https://github.com/Obarun + some personnal scripts A
> complete site is available too with forum and a little wiki here
> www.obarun.org Proposal an alternative to systemd on arch system
> isn't impossible even for complex desktop environment. KF5, XFCE4
> work on it.(using consolekit for the moment) dev is managed by gentoo
> eudev (working with jcnelson vdev is in progress, but not working for
> the moment). I use my system from almost one year now and share it
> from july 2015. This system is not perfect (i'm not a good dev) and
> i'm alone to make all the stuff (site, maintaining, new features and
> so one) but i'm the proof that can be possible and without so much
> efford.
> 
> Isn't the work to arch to propose an alternative. Pacman, makepkg,
> pkgbuild are beautiful tools which allow user to make every his want.
> So use it and don't ask anything to arch dev :)
> 

and foo-systemd isn't ambiguous at all! :p

Re: [arch-general] Kernel 4.2.5-1-ARCH max CPU temperature

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:41:01 +0100
Dennis Lange  wrote:

> I downgraded the Kernel Version to 4.2.4-1-ARCH and the temperature
> still goes up to 98°C. I try to investigate more to get an idea of why
> this is happening.
> 

Remove cooler, clean and apply new paste, remount the cooler?

Re: [arch-general] race condition when upgrading the new ncurses package

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:53:55 +0200
Damjan Georgievski  wrote:

> ( 2/70) upgrading ncurses
> [##] 100%
> ( 3/70) upgrading readline
> [##] 100%
> /usr/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncursesw.so.5:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> error: command failed to execute correctly
> ( 4/70) upgrading bash
> 
> 

This is why we need hooks in pacman already. (coming to a maze near you
soon™)

Re: [arch-general] AUR, ABS and outdated/orphaned packages

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:11:23 + (UTC)
bob bdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Great work, Michael!
   From: Michael Beasley youvegotmo...@gmail.com
  To: General Discussion about Arch Linux arch-general@archlinux.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [arch-general] AUR, ABS and outdated/orphaned packages

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:38:17PM -0500, Eli Schwartz wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Michael Beasley
  youvegotmo...@gmail.com wrote:
  
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   I've taken some time to make updated PKGBUILDS and related
   scripts for a few packages
   that are marked as Maintainer: Orphaned and haven't been
   updated in a while.  How would I go about
   submitting or getting these updated approved for testing and
   possibly applying for maintainership?
  
   The wiki explicitly states not to upload to the AUR if any
   version exists in the official package database,
   so I figured it would be best to ask before I get started off on
   the wrong foot.
  
   Thanks all,
   Michael Beasley
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  If the package is in the repositories, just flag them as out of
  date. They should get updated by the Arch maintainers.
  If they are in the AUR, file an orphan request (unless they are
  already orphaned), then adopt them from their page on the AUR. Once
  you are the maintainer, you can then update them freely.
  
  -- Eli Schwartz
 
 Sounds great, I guess I'll send an email to the last packagers; some
 of them have flag dates from months ago.
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 Michael Beasley
 
 
   
Become a TU, ???, PROFITS!

Re: [arch-general] Open-sourced: OpenCL-based multiphysics simulation software package

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 14:08:20 +0300
Zeev Pekar zeev.pe...@avtechscientific.com wrote:

 Dear Archlinux developer community,
 
 we would like to announce the recent open-source release of our
 GPU-enabled multiphysics software - Advanced Simulation Library.
 http://asl.org.il/
 
 Here are some remarkable benchmarks:
 http://asl.org.il/benchmarks/multicomponent_flow/
 
 If possible, please create an Archlinux package for ASL and send me an
 URL where we could make our contributions to the packaging efforts.
 
 Thank you,
 Zeev
 
 ps: Please, like us on Facebook, if you find ASL cool:
 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Avtech-Scientific/828973737156105

I suggest that you simply add it to aur[1] yourself.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository

Re: [arch-general] wsgi_mod

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 11:50:28 -0400
John Dey jsde...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have installed wsgi_mod and followed the instructions at
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mod_wsgi.  I am getting a server
 error:
 
 **
 Server error!
 
 The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete
 your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error
 in a CGI script.
 
 If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
 
 Error 500
 
 jsdey.com
 Apache/2.4.10 (Unix) mod_wsgi/4.2.8 Python/3.4.1
 ***
 
 Can anyone give me some guidance re resolving error.  Thanks.
 
 John

Why not uwsgi or gunicorn? They are usually much better.

Re: [arch-general] GNU IceCat should be in the official repos

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 22 May 2014 14:05:50 +0400
Richter Vania richter.va...@yandex.com wrote:

 With Mozilla Firefox implementing DRM in their source code, I think
 more users - even those who aren't strictly Free Software people -
 will move to GNU IceCat.
 
 I know that most IceCat users compile it themselves but I compiling
 it takes a lot of time and a binary package would help those people
 who don't want to use Mozilla Firefox but still want to keep their
 browser up-to-date.
 
 I know that Arch isn't particularly aligned politically but I see
 this matter as practical, many people are going to switch to GNU
 IceCat if the DRM is implemented.

How to get a package into a official repository:

1. Package it in aur, show that you are capable of doing a good job.
2. Apply to become a TU
3. ???
4. Profit!!! (and IceCat in [community])

Re: [arch-general] creating an archlinux usb key with persistence

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 22:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
Don Raikes don.rai...@oracle.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
  
 
 Are there instructions for creating an archlinux usb key with
 persistence somewhere?
 
  
 
 I want to use my archlinux usb key as a diagnostic tool, and
 sometimes it is helpful to save files to it for later review.
 
  
 
 Any info would be appreciated.
 
 BTW: I am planning on using a 64gb usb key for this endeavor.

Just create a extra partition on the usb stick and format it as f2fs or
whatever. There you go, persistent storage.

Re: [arch-general] Patching in PKGBUILDS

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:51:51 -0500
Mark Lee m...@markelee.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2014-01-01 at 04:33 +0100, Jan Alexander Steffens wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Mark Lee m...@markelee.com wrote:
   Salutations,
  
   While debugging a libva-intel-driver issue, I found that makepkg
   was not reporting failures to patch source files. Is there a
   reason behind this behavior?
  
   Regards,
   Mark
  
   P.S. Happy New Year!
  
   --
   Mark Lee m...@markelee.com
  
  makepkg does not do any patching by itself. Patch commands are given
  by the user, typically in the prepare() function. Since set -e is
  used, makepkg will abort if `patch` returns non-zero. What does your
  PKGBUILD look like?
 
 Salutations,
 
 My patch command was given in the build() section of the PKGBUILD:
 
 build() {
   cd ${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver};
   patch -Np1 -i ${srcdir}/i965_rendering.patch
   ./configure --prefix=/usr
   make
 }
 
 While debugging libva-intel-driver, I applied the rendering patch via
 the PKGBUILD only to find later that it wasn't actually applied.
 Makepkg didn't stop building the package even though it failed to
 apply the patch.
 
 Regards,
 Mark

Sidenote:
patching should be done in prepare() not build()

Re: [arch-general] Default value of j in makeflags of makepkg.conf

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 19:39:03 +0100
Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:

 Am 31.12.2013 07:51, schrieb Sébastien Leblanc:
  I would advise against doing that, considering that there are at
  least a handful of packages (can't name them) that have broken or
  otherwise malfunctioning Makefiles when run in parallel. The
  package maintainers _should_ be aware of those issues, and would
  accordingly add 'options=!makeflags' to their PKGBUILD, but not
  everyone has a multiple core computer,
 
 Really? Who?
 
  nor did everyone test the functionality (there could be
  cases where -j4 runs fine, but -j8 crashes, or other weird race
  conditions).
 
 You are suggesting not changing to a sane default because some
 packages (especially in the AUR) have crappy maintainers. That's
 hardly a reason for anything.
 
 

Your defenition of sane default might not match someone elses.

Many people prefer their box to not slow to a crawl just because they
started makepkg :)

Re: [arch-general] Default value of j in makeflags of makepkg.conf

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:49:27 +0100
Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:

 
 If it were my choice, we would enforce high quality standards for the
 AUR (which would likely force us to delete 90% of PKGBUILDs from it).
 

Speaking of which: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=175171

Re: [arch-general] python-distribute is deprecated and merged back into setuptools.

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:54:47 +0700
Shani Hadiyanto Pribadi shaniprib...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hello,
 
 python-distribute is merged back into setuptools and deprecated.
 [1]
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2013-March/020126.html
 [2] http://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/merge.html
 
 I'm not sure where to report this since the bug report is not for out
 of date package.
 
 Here is the new PKGBUILD for python-setuptools-0.9.8:
 [3] https://gist.github.com/shanipribadi/6210208
 
 Altough setuptools 1.0 will be out very soon (mercurial repo is
 already at 1.0b1, pypi is still at 0.9.8)
 
 Thank you.

I already filed a feature request for it. Nothing is happening to it
though:  https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36193

I was going to clean up the mess in aur, but decided to wait for
whatever response there will be to the feature request first.

Re: [arch-general] Texlive 2013 packages releases to [testing]

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:36:53 -0400
Genes Lists li...@sapience.com wrote:

 On 07/02/2013 06:01 PM, Rémy Oudompheng wrote:
 
 
  If pacnew files appear (notably texmf.cnf and fmtutil.cnf), and the
  installation reports a failure in regenerating formats (which you
  will know by not being able to use an engine), you will need to
  handle the pacnew files, and run fmtutil-sys --all by hand.
 
   What does 'handle the .pacnew' files mean - move them over the orig?
 
  If this situation reaches a high level of absurdity, and if possible
  considering pacman's behaviour, new packages not behaving like this
  might be built later before going to [extra].
 
 
I'd vote for non-absurd behaviour sooner rather than later ... :-)
 
 
 gene
 

You want to merge the files usually, preferably the pacnew into the
existing one.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacnew_and_Pacsave_Files

Re: [arch-general] Linode with stock linux-lts

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 3 May 2013 18:03:57 -0400
Patrick Donnelly batr...@batbytes.com wrote:

 Does anyone have this working with the latest grub+linux-lts? I've
 been trying to follow the steps on [1] but have had no success. I've
 been using grub-common instead of grub.
 
 [1] https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8376
 
 --
 - Patrick Donnelly

I use the stock kernel (not -lts (the lts kernel really is too old, it
should be bumped to atleast 3.4 that is the current lts from
upstream) using pv-grub to boot it directly.

The forum post you linked to is full of bad advice and outdated info.

First off, you don't have to install grub on arch (also we have grub2
now, not 0.97)

Secondly, never -Sy foobar unless you _really_ know what you are doing

How to get pv-grub to work with arch:
Follow http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/PV-GRUB , except that you
don't have to edit the MODULES array in mkinitcpio.conf unless you are
not using the block hook.

Re: [arch-general] Errors while upgrading ghc and haskell packages

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:27:00 +0200
Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com wrote:

 Total newbie on haskell packages here.
 
 While upgrading to the last version of ghc and related haskell
 packages from testing, I've seen the following errors in the pacman
 log
 
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded ghc (7.6.2-1 - 7.6.3-1)
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package
 text-0.11.2.3 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package
 info from stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded
 haskell-text (0.11.2.3-2 - 0.11.2.3-3) [2013-04-26 09:54]
 [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package transformers-0.3.0.0
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package info from
 stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded
 haskell-transformers (0.3.0.0-3 - 0.3.0.0-4)
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package
 mtl-2.1.2 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package info
 from stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded haskell-mtl
 (2.1.2-2 - 2.1.2-3) [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg:
 cannot find package syb-0.4.0 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET]
 Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN]
 upgraded haskell-syb (0.4.0-1 - 0.4.0-2) [2013-04-26 09:54]
 [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package json-0.7 [2013-04-26
 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package info from stdin ... done.
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded haskell-json (0.7-4 - 0.7-5)
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package
 parsec-3.1.3 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package info
 from stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded
 haskell-parsec (3.1.3-2 - 3.1.3-3) [2013-04-26 09:54]
 [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ghc-pkg: cannot find package regex-base-0.93.2
 [2013-04-26 09:54] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] Reading package info from
 stdin ... done. [2013-04-26 09:54] [PACMAN] upgraded
 haskell-regex-base (0.93.2-12 - 0.93.2-13)
 
 Is it safe to ignore those cannot find package X or is there
 something that must be done?
It is probably the unregister scriptlet that fails, because ghc got
updated before those packages, so they are no longer in the db.

If you are paranoid just go trough ghc-pkg list and check that all the
pages are listed after the update.

Re: [arch-general] directive 'SyncFirst'

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:24:52 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

 Hi :)
 
 how can be ensured that e.g. linux-headers are updated first in the
 future?
 
 I couldn't find a word on the English Arch website and just the
 information that it is ignored now, without a hint what to do, on the
 German website.
 
 [root@archlinux yaourt-git]# pacman -Syu
 warning: config file /etc/pacman.conf, line 19: directive 'SyncFirst'
 in section 'options' not recognized.
 :: Synchronizing package databases...
  core is up to date
  extra is up to date
  community is up to date
  multilib is up to date
 :: Starting full system upgrade...
 warning: ardour: ignoring package upgrade (2.8.16-1 = 3.0-1)
  there is nothing to do
 
 [rocketmouse@archlinux yaourt-git]$ yaourt -Syu
 [sudo] password for rocketmouse: 
 warning: config file /etc/pacman.conf, line 19: directive 'SyncFirst'
 in section 'options' not recognized.
 :: Synchronizing package databases...
  core is up to date
  extra is up to date
  community is up to date
  multilib is up to date
 warning: config file /etc/pacman.conf, line 19: directive 'SyncFirst'
 in section 'options' not
 recognized.
 
 Regards,
 Ralf
 

Hooks have been suggested as a possible solution to this problem as far
back as 2010[1] (there is some interesting comments in that bug report),
but no one have cared enough about it to bother to actually do
something about it. (It's just like the package signing story!)

A certain other distro which shall rename unnamed have decided to patch
back SyncFirst into pacman 4.1, so if you can't wait for/be bothered to
implement hooks, you may want to look at their project.

Alternatively  you can wrap pacman to make sure that the headers is
always installed before whatever requires them.

[1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20165 

Re: [arch-general] Protect a cron job from systemd

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:07:01 +0200 (EET)
Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hello list,
 
 among various tasks, I also run sysstat for monitoring my server's
 load. The way it runs by default is via the hourly cron, as a job
 that lasts exactly one hour. Sometimes I need to stop crond
 (systemctl stop dcron) to perform some short maintainance, and
 restart it a minute later that I'm done.
 
 Previously the sadc monitoring process of sysstat wasn't being
 killed, since it double forked and stayed up as a daemon.
 Unfortunately now systemd kills the whole cgroup, and in this manner
 it's possible to lose up to one hour of accounting logs. Any ideas on
 how to instruct systemd to not kill it when terminating crond?
 
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Dimitris
 
As a sidenote:
You could use a systemd timer unit instead of cron. You can start/stop
them on a per unit basis instead of having to kill off the whole of
cron.

Re: [arch-general] Introduction from a blind arch user

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:36:33 -0500
kendell clark coffeekin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all:
 I've just recently begun tentatively using arch on a usb thumb drive.
 I am blind, so I use the arch linux for the blind image to install.
 I'm writing to ask what other blind arch linux users as a desktop,
 since that's what I've become used to using. I don't know much about
 gnome 3 but would be willing to try it, or any other desktop that
 works well with orca.
 Thanks
 Kendell clark
 

I'm not blind, but my local lug has a few blinder users, and I've
worked with a few too. Most of them prefer either pure tty or a
tiling wm. They are all braille users though, so if you prefer
text2speach instead ymmv. 

Re: [arch-general] systemd transition on virtual server - help needed

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:43:17 +0200
G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote:

 hi list,
 i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
 now that systemd smoothly comes to be standart, i would like to 
 understand, how this affects my machine.
 as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which is
 a 2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german webhosting
 provider). also i do not know much about the virtualisation machinery
 running there. as this is a server used for productivity, i would
 like to understand whats happening to it, to keep maintenance
 downtime at a reasonable low level.
 at what point will i (propably) get in trouble because of systemd,
 when (if ever) will i be unable to boot with this machine if i keep
 updating? thanks for helping suggestions.
 georg

There is some info about the future of initscripts and sysvinit in this
thread:

http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-September/023668.html

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:19:31 +0200
Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de wrote:

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 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
  And we are back...
 
 Sir, you've got some yarbles.
 IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too,
 well, general. What about if we would split this list up into a list
 for technical questions (e.g. arch-support) and a more philosophical,
 rambling one (e.g. arch-discussion), so that everyone could choose
 his/her own poison?
 
 P.S.: This is definitely a help request to make the make the arch
 mailing lists a happy place again ;-)
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Imo it's not a problem that arch-general has a wide topic. You have to
remember that it actually worked well for years, it's really only in the
last 6-12 months or so that arch-general have really started to go
downhill.

Here is how it goes (in my eyes)

1) community is small, S/N ratio is awesome, discussions are generally
friendly

2) community starts growing fast, and brings with it a lower S/N ratio

3) more flame-wars etc starts to happen, causing some of the good
people to leave. S/N ratio gets even worse.

4) almost none of the devs nor old-timers and the more
friendly/knowledgeable
people are left. S/N goes to hell, bad press happens because of it,
just increasing the downward spiral.


I can only see two things that can really help slow down/stop/revert the
spiral: 

1) Moderation. Get rid of the serial trollers/flamers
2) Get more devs and good people to join and be active.

Where the second point probably is the most important. 

Re: [arch-general] fglrx driver doesn't work

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:13:00 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

 On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:02:15 +0200, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
  ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Model: ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
 
  The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst drivers.
  You will need to use a legacy driver, or the open source driver.
 
 OK, so I misunderstood what I read about RS690. The radeon driver
 does work, but it might (or might not) be the cause for xruns, that's
 why I'll test the proprietary driver.
 Hopefully there's an outdated version supporting X1... cards and
 hopefully it won't cause issues to downgrade X.
 
 To be continued later today, or within the next days.
 
 Thank you,
 Ralf

I suggest switching to the free driver. It is slower, not that it
really matters that much for that card, but it will generally cause a
lot less pain when it comes to maintaining it.

Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:52:54 +0900
Zhengyu Xu xzy3...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Allan,
 
 Thank you very much for the link as well as the removal of systemd
 i686 from testing repo. Sorry for generating some unnecessary noise
 in this list.
 
 Best regards,
 Z.
 

Don't worry, you are not at fault in any way here, the systemd
hateboy(z)/fudspreader(s) are.

Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:37:26 +0900
Zhengyu Xu xzy3...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:00 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
  On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu xzy3...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   Dear all,
  
   After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
   messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
  
   [   10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8
   error 4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a000+1a4000]
   [   10.539700] systemd[1]: Caught SEGV, core dump failed.
  
   Downgrade to 189-4 can solve this problem. I want to know if this
   is a personal problem or a general bug affecting others as well.
  
   Best regards,
   Z.
  
  
  Boots fine on my x86_64 desktop.
  
 
 Thank you, I forgot to say that mine is i686.
 


For those interested in the actual problem at hand and not the trolling
loser (unsubscribing == letting the troll win btw, so imo don't do it)

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31645

Re: [arch-general] problem with realtek 8192cu usb wireless card

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:57:26 +0600
Kirill Churin reflex...@reflexing.ru wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Xeslaro bfsc...@gmail.com wrote:
i bought a usb wireless card TP-Link WN821Nv4 with idVendor=0bda
  and idProduct=8178, which shows it's a realtek 8192cu card.
  although i'm using linux kernel 3.2.6, which includes a module
  called rtl8192cu, from the source i could see there's no support
  for the specific idVendor and idProduct.
 
i downloaded the driver source from the official realtek website,
  which does support the idVendor and idProduct, and compiled the
  driver successfully, i could see wlan1 using ip link show, and
  there is an entry called wlan1 under /sys/class/net. however,
  neither iw nor wpa_supplicant would work, they all complain that
  there is no such device, it seems that the
  corresponding /sys/class/ieee80211/wlan1 entry is missing.
 
another usb wireless card wlan0 is working normally on the
  system, and i compared /sys/class/net/wlan0
  and /sys/class/net/wlan1, the only one missing is a symbolic link
  called phy80211 pointing to /sys/class/ieee80211...
 
any idea why this is happening?
 
  iw dev wlan1 info
  command failed: No such device (-19)
 
  wpa_supplicant -c someconf -i wlan1 -d
  wpa_supplicant v1.0
  random: Trying to read entropy from /dev/random
  Initializing interface 'wlan1' conf 'someconf' driver 'default'
  ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file 'someconf' -
  'someconf' Reading configuration file 'someconf'
  Priority group 0
 id=0 ssid='somessid'
  Could not open file /sys/class/net/wlan1/phy80211/name: No such
  file or directory rfkill: initial event: idx=0 type=1 op=0 soft=0
  hard=0 nl80211: Set mode ifindex 6 iftype 2 (STATION)
  nl80211: Failed to set interface 6 to mode 2: -19 (No such device)
  nl80211: Try mode change after setting interface down
  nl80211: Set mode ifindex 6 iftype 2 (STATION)
  nl80211: Failed to set interface 6 to mode 2: -19 (No such device)
  nl80211: Interface mode change to 2 from 0 failed
  nl80211: Could not configure driver to use managed mode
  netlink: Operstate: linkmode=0, operstate=6
  nl80211: Set mode ifindex 6 iftype 2 (STATION)
  nl80211: Failed to set interface 6 to mode 2: -19 (No such device)
  nl80211: Try mode change after setting interface down
  nl80211: Set mode ifindex 6 iftype 2 (STATION)
  nl80211: Failed to set interface 6 to mode 2: -19 (No such device)
  nl80211: Interface mode change to 2 from 0 failed
  wlan1: Failed to initialize driver interface
  Failed to add interface wlan1
  wlan1: Cancelling scan request
  wlan1: Cancelling authentication timeout
 
  dmesg from the wlan1 driver:
  [ 2537.374661] rtw driver version=v3.4.3_4369.20120622
  [ 2537.380171] Build at: Sep  1 2012 13:52:58
  [ 2537.385927] register rtw_netdev_ops to netdev_ops
  [ 2537.391583] CHIP TYPE: RTL8188C_8192C
  [ 2537.397244]
  [ 2537.397246] usb_endpoint_descriptor(0):
  [ 2537.408120] bLength=7
  [ 2537.413582] bDescriptorType=5
  [ 2537.419078] bEndpointAddress=81
  [ 2537.424544] wMaxPacketSize=200
  [ 2537.429913] bInterval=0
  [ 2537.435244] RT_usb_endpoint_is_bulk_in = 1
  [ 2537.440624]
  [ 2537.440626] usb_endpoint_descriptor(1):
  [ 2537.450986] bLength=7
  [ 2537.456117] bDescriptorType=5
  [ 2537.461147] bEndpointAddress=2
  [ 2537.466243] wMaxPacketSize=200
  [ 2537.471125] bInterval=0
  [ 2537.475760] RT_usb_endpoint_is_bulk_out = 2
  [ 2537.480458]
  [ 2537.480460] usb_endpoint_descriptor(2):
  [ 2537.489402] bLength=7
  [ 2537.493733] bDescriptorType=5
  [ 2537.497926] bEndpointAddress=3
  [ 2537.502099] wMaxPacketSize=200
  [ 2537.506073] bInterval=0
  [ 2537.509887] RT_usb_endpoint_is_bulk_out = 3
  [ 2537.513856]
  [ 2537.513858] usb_endpoint_descriptor(3):
  [ 2537.521544] bLength=7
  [ 2537.525452] bDescriptorType=5
  [ 2537.529399] bEndpointAddress=84
  [ 2537.533343] wMaxPacketSize=40
  [ 2537.537275] bInterval=1
  [ 2537.541104] RT_usb_endpoint_is_int_in = 4, Interval = 1
  [ 2537.545186] nr_endpoint=4, in_num=2, out_num=2
  [ 2537.545189]
  [ 2537.553163] USB_SPEED_HIGH
  [ 2537.557627] Chip Version ID: VERSION_NORMAL_TSMC_CHIP_92C.
  [ 2537.562081] RF_Type is 2!!
  [ 2537.566879] EEPROM type is E-FUSE
  [ 2537.571336]  ReadAdapterInfo8192C
  [ 2537.576120] Boot from EFUSE, Autoload OK !
  [ 2537.723758] EEPROMVID = 0x0bda
  [ 2537.728133] EEPROMPID = 0x8178
  [ 2537.566879] EEPROM type is E-FUSE
  [ 2537.571336]  ReadAdapterInfo8192C
  [ 2537.576120] Boot from EFUSE, Autoload OK !
  [ 2537.723758] EEPROMVID = 0x0bda
  [ 2537.728133] EEPROMPID = 0x8178
  [ 2537.732330] EEPROMCustomerID : 0x00
  [ 2537.736555] EEPROMSubCustomerID: 0x00
  [ 2537.740796] RT_CustomerID: 0x00
  [ 2537.745040] _ReadMACAddress MAC Address from EFUSE =
  6c:e8:73:bf:97:30 [ 2537.749722] EEPROMRegulatory = 0x0
  [ 2537.754358] _ReadBoardType(0)
  [ 2537.758898] BT Coexistance = disable
  [ 2537.763473] RT_ChannelPlan: 0x02
  [ 2537.767994]
  

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:24 +0200
Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
 SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot
 of controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll
 to determine the will of the community:
 http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=502d2113e4b02c3adb09a939
 
 Please vote and spread!

86.4% of all statistics shows that 93.9% of all online polls have an
average 37.9% accuracy rate compared to the reality.

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:47:10 -0400
Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
 Those that want to insult me (again you know who you are)  go right 
 ahead if it makes you feel good.
 Sorry I wont' see your insults.
 
 Good luck and Good nite
 
 Mabuhay
 

http://youtu.be/ey0wvGiAH9g

Not that I have ever insulted you before :)

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
  felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
  Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so
  consider me a skeptic.
 
  That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling
  anything.
 
  You are selling a distribution.
 
  We are? Damn. Where is my cut. Allan!?
 
 :-)
 
 it's interesting to me how so many can believe that
 OSS/distros/etc/etc are really driven and decided by the whimsical
 desires of the complete, mob-like user base.
 
 open, collaborative development has only 5% to do with feel good
 all-for-one-and-one-for-all type shitz, and 95% to do with the needs
 of the investing/funding/contracting user-base, and/or the
 itches/scratches/interests of developers capable of architecting
 useful tools from mere ideas and/or hot air.
 
 example: in the last ~2 months i've contributed code to ~4 different
 projects: 3 were fulfilling a *business* need for the company that
 employs me, relating to AMQP and [gag] SOAP, which frankly i could
 care less about and would actually prefer if they faded away forever
 ... but no, i FURTHERED them, because that's what the requirements
 called for; another project is a popular Python application server,
 and was furthered for both business and personal/pleasure reasons
 (interesting); only 1 was purely for fun, relating to Python - JS
 translation ... a real challenge ...
 
 alas, even the one for fun i did for *me* -- not to sound like an ass,
 but i don't much give two shitzs about everyone else's needs less they
 contribute competent code, or at the very least, competent thought and
 constructive ideas.  a little respect goes a long way ...
 
 ... and on that same vein, i have next-to-nil patience for whining.
 the point of this ramble-esque message is to highlight the fact that
 90% of what i output is business related, 30-40% of that is shit i
 wish would evaporate, and 10-20% is my personal
 interests/free-time-development (which i abandon and find other
 projects once it becomes boring and/or un-fun)
 
 SO! truth is the commercial fedoras/redhats and ubuntus out there are
 all a vibrant part of this process, and they WILL supply/shoulder the
 bulk of development.  buck up folks! just get used to it!  Arch plays
 a part too (yay python2 symlink! ;-) in various capacities, but
 software research/development and long-term maintenance of decadent
 tools is NOT that part.  why? because Arch is part of the 10-20%
 section of most developer's time -- ehm, you know, the part where they
 do what they !@#$%^ want -- so suck it up and make clear/concise
 contributions of code/thought/reason as best you can ... because this
 endless droning on RE:piddly-little-wah-wah-problems makes for really
 fscking boring reads.
 

Relevant link:

http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Can-open-source-be-democratic-1663702.html

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 *wall of text*

I, for one, welcome our new red hatted underlings.

Re: [arch-general] IRC channel

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:03:54 +0300
Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote:

 well, I use gmail, searching for add-on to fix this :)
 so, what do you recommend for very light client with text  voice chat
 support?
 maybe teamspeak?

pidgin/xmpp or mumble.

Re: [arch-general] [linux-lts] unable to auto mount some usb device

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:03:53 +0800
GSC xgd...@gmail.com wrote:

 After recent update of linux-lts to 3.0.33, it fails to auto mount my
 android device as usb storage(moto atrix2). My other usb devices  are
 auto mounted successfully, just this one fail to auto mount every
 time. It can be manually mount successfully. And I tried linux
 kernel(3.3.8), auto mounted successfully. Only in current linux-lts
 the device fail to automatically mount every time. Any one
 experiencing the same? Which log should I analyse to solve it?

That would depend on just how you are automounting it.

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:52:13 -0500
Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let's not forget Loui, We are all human and make mistakes. A QA
 process is definitely a good thing.
 
 On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Fri 23 Dec 2011 10:42 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
   On Friday 23 Dec 2011 05:32:25 Jonathan Vasquez wrote:
I wanted to know what was he trying to say? Is he saying that
Arch and other Arch-like distros aren't serious distros that
aren't meant for production? I mean I understand that Arch is
rolling release and all that, but it's packages are marked
stable by their corresponding upstreams.
  
   I think the point is that it can be dangerous to use ArchLinux for
   critical applications, because there are occasional breakages
   during updates.  That's simply because Arch doesn't have a
   development cycle including a QA phase.  Distributions such as
   Debian can make certain guarantees about the stability of their
   software, because they only use older and thoroughly-tested
   software by default.
 
  QA like when Debian broke SSL? I would rather trust Arch Linux for
  critical applications.
 
 
 
 
Arch do have a huge QA/QC department. And by chance, it happens to be
the exact same size as our user base :p

Re: [arch-general] How-to for pacman 4.0 transition ?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:30:16 +0200
fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.
 
 I saw on arch-commits list that pacman 4.0 is in testing. So, is there
 somewhere a how-to to follow to ease the transition ?
 
 Thanks a lot !
 
man pacman
man pacman.conf

Then update/fix/rebuild anything you have that relies on
pacman/libalpm, like eg your favourite aur helper.

Re: [arch-general] Howto find alternate ABS source download mirror?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:05:32 -0500
David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:

 Guys,
 
Where do I find a list of ABS download mirrors?
 
I was working with ffmpeg and the download from ftp.archlinux.org
 was painfully slow due to the throttled connection. Is there
 somewhere mirrors for ABS sources are listed? Usually it doesn't
 matter because most sources are relatively small, but with packages
 like ffmpeg (50 meg), the throttling difference can be extreme.
 Thanks.
 
 You can check out at the same commit that the tarball is from the git
 tree, or just grab the latest git version. It is fairly safe as
 there isn't often any breakage in the ffmpeg tree.

Re: [arch-general] pacman -Sl

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:57:38 -0400
Daenyth Blank daenyth+a...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:53, Karol Blazewicz
 karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/9/3 Jérôme M. Berger jeber...@free.fr:
  Joker-jar wrote:
  Hello! I just made `pacman -Ql ...` analogue for don't installed
  packages. Enjoy ;)
 
  http://paste.org.ru/?h5cg9y
 
         You mean like “pkgfile -l” ?
 
                 Jerome
  --
  mailto:jeber...@free.fr
  http://jeberger.free.fr
  Jabber: jeber...@jabber.fr
 
 
 
  nosr is another package that does that (and more)
  https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=51938
 
 
 They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Evil rumours also has it that 'nosr' may be coming to a pacman near you
soon.

Re: [arch-general] build db and files

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:18 -0300
Sergio de Almeida Lenzi lenzi.ser...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello 
 
 I must build the .db and .files  
 (files that exists in the distribuition: core, community...) I must
 build
 them from the /var/abs/xxx  directory.
 
 Can someone point me the the solution
 
 Thanks for any help,
 
 Sergio
For the .db: repo-add --help

Also see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Local_repository_HOW-TO

Personally I would not built nor host from /var/abs though.

Re: [arch-general] DropBox problem

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 11:25:13 -0300
Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Recently I am having problems with DropBox. I have it installed
 (1.1.31-1)and there is indeed a file named /opt/dropbox/dropbox, but
 the daemon seems not to find it:
 
   ~/ dropboxd
   /usr/bin/dropboxd: line 10: /opt/dropbox/dropbox: No such file or
 directory
 
 
 That's only me or other people had this bug too?
 
 
 Cheers
 Bernardo
file(1) it, I bet you installed it for the wrong architecture.

Re: [arch-general] Leandro Costa wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:30:12 + (UTC)
Leandro Costa via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com wrote:

 LinkedIn
 Leandro Costa requested to add you as a connection on
 LinkedIn: --
 
 Gergely,
 
 I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
 
 - Leandro Costa
 
 Accept invitation from Leandro Costa
 http://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gmfn7j4g-q/URVwc-9dcTd5kGQV68qFBFAwcTxbHZhtaNkxhTYz/blk/I29978003_70/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_c3tvcP0Me3sVej99bSZKr4Vps6cPbPgTcPkQcjkUdz8LrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/
 
 View invitation from Leandro Costa
 http://www.linkedin.com/e/j2jirp-gmfn7j4g-q/URVwc-9dcTd5kGQV68qFBFAwcTxbHZhtaNkxhTYz/blk/I29978003_70/0MdRYPc30UdPAVcAALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/
 
 
  

I don't want to be a part of your professional network.

 _ 
 I will destroy you linkedin 
 - 
\,-^-.
 \   !oYo!
  \ /./=\.\__
   ##)\/\
||-w||
||  ||

   Cowth Vader

Re: [arch-general] 2010.05 iso images problem?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:51:08 +0100
didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Le Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:03:56 +0100,
 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be a écrit :
 
  did you do a netinstall? that fetches the latest packages from the
  mirror...
 
 No, that was a core iso image, the source selected was CD (albeit
 being actually a usb key), no ethernet network physically available
 and wifi was not configured.
 
Did you happen to reuse an old /boot or / partion? (or maybe had the
wrong /boot partion in your booloader?)

Re: [arch-general] 2010.05 iso images problem?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:04:58 +0100
didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys,
 
 I have downloaded a 2010.05 x86_64 core iso image from
 http://mir.archlinux.fr/iso/ and verified its sha1sum.
 After installation, I end up with a 2.6.37 kernel (out in 2011.01)
 with no modules (2.6.27 and 2.6.33 modules are available).
 
 http://mirrors.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/ has the same sha1sum for this
 iso.
 
 Is there not a problem with these images?
 Right now I am updating this Archlinux installation from a Debian
 chroot, so it is not a blocking problem, but out of curiosity, I would
 like to know.
 
 Thanks,
 Didier.

The new testisos found at http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/ is
prefered, but the old release iso should work just fine too.
Are there actually no modules in /lib/modules/2.6.37-ARCH/ or is the
kernel just complaining about no depmod file? If the former,
reinstalling the kernel26 package should solve it, but the intresting
questin is why the modules didn't get installed in the first place. If
the later, just run a depmod -a

Re: [arch-general] kde4 loads kde3 parts -- is this a packaging issue?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:50:50 -0600
David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:

 Guys,
 
   I need some help figuring out where to start in trying to keep kde4
 from loading most of kde3 when kde4 is launched from the kdm chooser.
 A picture is worth 1000 words:
 
 [109k]  (800x600)
 http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/ArchLinux_kde3+kde4.800.jpg
 
 (full res 264k 1280x800)
 http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/ArchLinux_kde3+kde4.jpg
 
   In the screenshot, kde (kde4) was launched from the kde4 kdm. The
 background is the kde4 background. Both the kde3 kicker and kde4
 plasma-panel loaded (and are both fully operational) at the bottom of
 the screen. Launching apps or system settings the panels, properly
 loads the corresponding kde3/kde4 app.
 
   The plasma-desktop has loaded and the kde4 Desktop Folder is
 present. The kde4 window decorations are present, but if you
 rt-click on the desktop, you get the kdemod context menus and all
 kdemod apps are in the default Domino style.
 
   What I'm trying to do is narrow down why this happens on Arch and
 so we can fix it. I'm guessing this probably happens when
 kde4-kdelibs or kde4-kdebase gets built and installed, but that is
 just a guess.
 
   This seems to be a packaging issue because it doesn't happen with
 other distros that have both kde4 and kde3 installed together. It
 doesn't happen in reverse either with kdemod3 based on Trinity.
 Loading the updated kdemod3 doesn't load the kde4 panel, but kde4
 does load the kde3 panel.
 
   Anybody familiar with this issue on Arch and how it might be solved?
 
The problem might be related to /usr/share/autostart and similar in
$HOME being shared by kde4 and kdemod. That is my
guess anyway. You could take a look at the paths etc on whatever distro
that has both kde4 and kde3 working fine alongside and see what they
are doing to them.

Re: [arch-general] Shutdown and reboot

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:12:24 +1000
joker-...@yandex.ru joker-...@yandex.ru wrote:

 Please tell me the best way to allow non root user to use halt,
 reboot, shutdown e t.c. May be set group power to this binaries?
 
 $ ls -l /sbin/halt
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15152 2010-10-02 13:26 /sbin/halt
 
 (Not only for me but in distro). No?
halt:
dbus-send --system --print-reply\
--dest=org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager\
org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Stop

reboot:
dbus-send --system --print-reply\
--dest=org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager\
org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Restart

suspend:
dbus-send --system --print-reply\
--dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower\
org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend

hibernate:
dbus-send --system --print-reply\
--dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower\
org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate

or use sudo.

Re: [arch-general] How to detect when a package is removed from a group in pacman

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:15:44 + (GMT)
F B fbab...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Hi,
 recently bin86 was removed from base-devel group but the unique way I
 know to see this change is manually reading the pkg changelog in the
 arch site. The problem is simple, how to detect this change in
 pacman? For example, after a gnome upgrade, if a new package is added
 to gnome group I can do: pacman -S --needed gnome to install the
 missing package. But if a package is removed? How can I remove this
 package that doesn't belong to a group anymore? I hope you understand
 the question. Why not add metapackages (as for kde) for base,
 base-devel, gnome and gnome-extra that doesn't have this problem?
 
 
   

Even if it was removed from the group, it could still be needed on your
system.

pacman -Qdt might be more useful than checking if package x is still
in group y.

Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:53:33 -0300
Martín Cigorraga martosurf7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys, I'm having this rare issue:
 
 several days ago I installed some things from [Testing] and because I
 don't wanna screw-up my system I turned it off.
 Since then, every day I check for updates -roughly 10 days more or
 less- pacman keeps telling it's all up-to-date while I know there's
 nearly everyday an update while not within several hours, at least in
 my system with what I have installed.
 
 Also I was using packer (a community tool to deal with AUR) which
 keeps telling some installed packages (14) were newer than those found
 in theire repos (not from AUR but from extra and community
 rpositories).
 
 Today I downloaded latest mirrorlist, did a # pacman -Syy  pacman
 -Suu and gave system is up-to-date which is in fact very strange, I
 mean, come on, there wasn't any updates in all these days? I don't
 think so :p
 
 But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer
 -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something
 like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to
 check for 1272 packages lol
 
 The weirdest thing? I can't install ABS, as you hear it, pacman can't
 found it in extra (or community or wherever it resides).
 
 So the million question here is: is there *any* way to initialize
 whole pacman and it local repositories cache? I think of it as the
 last resort to may be fix this.
 
 Thanks!
Can you pastebin your pacman.conf please?

Also, picking packages from testing and then diabeling it might cause
your system to break too :). Either use testing or don't, mixing like
that is generally unsafe.

Re: [arch-general] Xorg-server 1.8 - when?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:47:16 +0530
Gaurish Sharma cont...@gaurishsharma.com wrote:

 Hi,
 I think Nvidia still does not work with 1.8
 
 Regards,
 Gaurish Sharma

The last I heard was that the devs are waiting for the legazy nvidia
drivers to be updated.
(nvidia-173xx/96xx)

Re: [arch-general] [xmonad] Screenshot of all workspaces?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:45:43 -0400
Daenyth Blank daenyth+a...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:31, Nick Stepa hired...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello all! I use xmonad and want to make screenshot of all
  workspaces at once. How can I do it?
 
  Plz don`t say: For each workspace - switch to it and use scrot (=
 
 
 
 For each workspace, switch to it and use import :)
Write a function in xmonad.hs that goes trough each workspace and makes
a screenshot of each, and then combines it all into one large
image. And make a keybinding for it. 

Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:48:39 -0500
Burlynn Corlew Jr burl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held m...@hehejo.de wrote:
 
  http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/
 
  * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim
  conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of
  vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now
  installs vim as well.
 
  --
  Gruß, Johannes
  http://hehejo.de
 
 
 This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be
 updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine
 and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch
 on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read
 the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering
 questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they
 never come up.
IMO instead of attacking the poor soul you should point him nicely in
the right direction, like the 2 posting before you did. 

Re: [arch-general] what is this supposed to mean ?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:56:29 +0200
Fons Adriaensen f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:28:04AM +0300, Evangelos Foutras wrote:
 
  Please see the front page news. There are instructions regarding the
  CUPS update. :)
 
 OK, pacman -Sf cups and then re-trying the update
 did the trick. Will have to check my printer 
 tomorrow...
 
 Many thanks, but I 'rest my case':
 
  messages such as 'blabla exists in file system'
  are not very informative.
 
 Ciao,
 
These 2 stickied threads (and a couple of others) are more or less a
must read for every arch users:

PLEASE READ BEFORE UPGRADING
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57205

pacman error: FILENAME exists in filesystem
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56373

Re: [arch-general] Vim Syntax Highlighter

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:18:07 -0400
Carlos Mennens carlosw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I noticed today when editing a config file for Postfix in Vim that one
 value was listed in white text only and everything else was in color.
 This lead me to beleive the value or parameter was wrong or not being
 recognized by Postfix configuration but it is. I asked Postfix and the
 said:
 
 Your VIM syntax highlighter is out of date
 
 Can anyone tell me if there is a way to update this manually if I have
 the latest version of Vim in my Arch repo?

I assume you are talking about data_directory?

The pfmain.vim file that arch has is the latest that is shipped from
upstream vim as far as I can see. There is a couple of newer versions
floating around on the net tho, here is one of them:
http://fuji.web.cern.ch/fuji/vim/syntax/pfmain.vim
But even that one doesn't have data_directory defined as a keyword.
It's rather trivial to add it tho.

But as said by a smart person:
You should not depend on vim to tell you what keyword is valid in your
main.cf

Re: [arch-general] Where to install python apps: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/xyz??

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:27:25 -0600
David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:

 Guy,
 
   I know nothing about python other than what it is. I need to
 install repoview-0.6.5 on my arch server, but I'm not sure where.
 Looking at the other python apps like cairo, FusionIcon, etc.. thay
 seem to be installed as a subdirectory to:
 
 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/
 
   The repoview directory contains:
 
 drwxr-xr-x  3 david david  4096 Feb 19 13:31 templates
 -rw-r--r--  1 david david  3457 Feb 19 13:31 ChangeLog
 -rw-r--r--  1 david david 18009 Mar  3  2005 COPYING
 -rw-r--r--  1 david david   708 Jul 19  2007 README
 -rw-r--r--  1 david david  2634 Sep 27  2007 repoview.8
 -rwxr-xr-x  1 david david 32932 Feb 19 13:31 repoview.py
 
   Do I just move the directory
 to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/?  Then is there something else I
 need to do to register (for lack of better words) repoview
 somewhere so python knows it is there? Then what about the man page?
 Anything special required to do I just move it to /usr/share/man
 or /usr/local/man?
 
You should use makepkg for it unless you are doing it in virtualenv.

There already is a PKGBUILD for repoview in aur.
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=35377

Re: [arch-general] Kde upgrade ?phonon/qt?

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:28:40 +0100
Michael Schaefer archlinux@micele.de wrote:

 On 17.02.2010 10:09, richard terry wrote:
  # pacman -Sy --asdeps qt
  error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy
  dependencies) :: qtscriptgenerator: requires phonon
 
 pacman -Rd qtscriptgenerator (and possibly amarok) will do the job.
 
 regards
 michael
IMO this is better: 
# pacman -S --asdeps qt phonon

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

[Øyvind Heggstad]

One thing that haven't been mentioned:
Have you installed any ttf fonts, or do you only have the font packages
in the xorg group? If you haven't installed any extra ttf fonts, then
do so, dejavu, bistream, ms fonts and the freefonts are usually good
choices.

Re: [arch-general] which video card driver- proprietary...

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:36:45 -0500
Preston C. gprest...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I tried the command pacman -S nvidia and it said that
 nvidia-utils conflicts with libgl. Then is asked me if I wanted to
 remove libgl? Any help here is appreciated.
Say 'yes'. nvidia-utils provides libgl.

Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15:39 +0200
Attila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2008 17:07 Nigel Henry wrote:
 
  On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting
  services, and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my
  Debian installs, I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI,
  and allows you to stop and start services.
 
 I can understand your feelings because as i start using archlinux i
 search a tool as chkconfig too but i recognized that such a tool is
 not really necessary.
 
 So why do i think this? The equipollent of chkconfig --list | grep
 '3:on' is the DAEMONS array in the rc.conf and the equipollent of
 the status of the running daemons ist the content of /var/run/daemons
 (kdm is not there but it have a pid file).
 
 The only thing what i miss is that chkconfig --list shows me the
 x(inet) lines too but this is not so much necessary for archlinux
 from my view.
 
 In my case i must say that the most what i have missed at the
 beginning has more to do with myself and what i have used before than
 with archlinux. Perhaps this helps you too.
 
 See you, Attila
 
 
I've wrote a quick and dirty implementation of a tool for
starting/stopping services and listing their status.

It's quite simple tho, since it's just something I wrote to see if I
remembered shell scripting..

http://arch.har-ikkje.net/scripts/daemon-0.5.sh

Re: [arch-general] Kernel upgrades question, as can't revert to earlier kernel

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 23:35:46 +0200
Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've noticed for some time now that some distros are upgrading the
 current running kernel, rather than installing a new kernel version,
 which if there are problems with the new kernel, you could boot the
 earlier kernel, which you know was working ok.
 
 I'm currently updating my Don't Panic install, and there is a kernel
 update to 2.6.25.4-1 , and 21% done so far. Is there some way that
 this latest kernel version can be installed as a new kernel, and
 leave the existing one alone?
 
 I don't like this way of updating the kernel, as you have no way of
 booting to the earlier one if the latest version is problematic.
 
 26% done now.
 
 Nigel.
 

There is a realy simple solution to this one:

Make a copy of the the kernel, initcpio and System.map that you want to
keep, and add an entry in grub that points at it. Also make a copy of
the modules in /lib

This way you can always have a kernel to fall back on. 

Personaly, I like the way that arch handles kernel updates, and dislike
strongly the way e.g. debian do, where you after a while end up with 20
kernels installed, many of the same version, just with a different set
of patches.

Re: [arch-general] 2008.04-RC Images are out

[Øyvind Heggstad]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:04:37 -0500
Simo Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Crosspostingissocool
 http://www.archlinux.org/news/389/
 
 Enjoy.

I had some strange issues with kernel panics, oops and other fun, on my
first try at installing using the 64bit ftp image. Sadly it only
happened once and I was unable to reproduce it, so I won't make a bug
report on it. Once the kernel opsed and hangd after udev events, and
once it panicked during installation of pkg's. But no prob at next try.

I tried about 8 more times to trigger it again, but no sucsess :/

Anyone else noticed anything similar?