Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images

2010-03-08 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 07:32:18PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Piyush P Kurur p...@cse.iitk.ac.in wrote:
 

 
 What I suggest is this -
 http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Diskless_network_boot_NFS_root
 

  I saw the wiki. I am not looking for a diskless boot. We have
here a pxelinux boot loader that allows people to select one of
the distros that we mirror here and install it on their machine
by just connecting to ethernet port here and enabling PXE boot.
One of the images is that of arch.

I definitely *do not* want the following

(1) NFS mounts: I prefer to have all the stuff required for
a netinstall in the initrd image. The actual packages will come
from the local mirror. NFS is unnecessarily compilcated and would
mean I have to also run an NFS server and cannot get away with a
tftp server.

(2) No custom kernel: I don't want a custom kernel. The standard
kernel should be made to work.


Besides I thought this is a good oppurtunity to hack a bit
on image creation process.


Best

ppk


Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images

2010-03-08 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Piyush P Kurur ppk wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 07:32:18PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Piyush P Kurur p...@cse.iitk.ac.in wrote:
 


 What I suggest is this -
 http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Diskless_network_boot_NFS_root


  I saw the wiki. I am not looking for a diskless boot. We have
 here a pxelinux boot loader that allows people to select one of
 the distros that we mirror here and install it on their machine
 by just connecting to ethernet port here and enabling PXE boot.
 One of the images is that of arch.

 I definitely *do not* want the following

 (1) NFS mounts: I prefer to have all the stuff required for
 a netinstall in the initrd image. The actual packages will come
 from the local mirror. NFS is unnecessarily compilcated and would
 mean I have to also run an NFS server and cannot get away with a
 tftp server.

 (2) No custom kernel: I don't want a custom kernel. The standard
 kernel should be made to work.


 Besides I thought this is a good oppurtunity to hack a bit
 on image creation process.


 Best

 ppk


So you want to do a templated installation something like that of
kickstart availalbe in Fedora, Redhat and CentOS.

It is possible using Arch Installation Framework but it is under
development and not meant for use in production.

I have a small idea but I don't know if it will work or not. If it
works, it will be something great.

You have to hack mkinitcpio but in a different manner.

Add pacman.conf, mirrorlist (with your local LAN mirror on the top, if
you have one), a static version of pacman into an mkinitcpio image
using a kernel which will be used for netbooting.

Then in the sysinit, after adding the devices by udev, and network
config, run the pacman commands to install the OS via FTP mirror which
will preferrably use your LAN mirror.

Once you've prepared the basic kernel and the initrd, boot using PXE,
and let syslinux (or whatever PXE loader you're using) load our custom
initrd and kernel from TFTP server.

When this runs on the client machine, then pacman will execute the
install commands.

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
Site  Server Administrator
www.itech7.com


Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images

2010-03-08 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:33:16 +0530
Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote:

 So you want to do a templated installation something like that of
 kickstart availalbe in Fedora, Redhat and CentOS.
 
 It is possible using Arch Installation Framework but it is under
 development and not meant for use in production.
 

aif is the installation software which is pretty stable and has
officially replaced the old /arch/setup and /arch/quickinst scripts
since august last year. (it also supports automated installations)

it has however nothing to do with the actual creation of images.
we (arch-releng) use the archiso tool to do that, there's also the
unofficial archboot scripts which are meant for creation of
lightweight, early-userspace-only images.


Dieter


Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images

2010-03-08 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote:
 On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:33:16 +0530
 Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote:

 So you want to do a templated installation something like that of
 kickstart availalbe in Fedora, Redhat and CentOS.

 It is possible using Arch Installation Framework but it is under
 development and not meant for use in production.


 aif is the installation software which is pretty stable and has
 officially replaced the old /arch/setup and /arch/quickinst scripts
 since august last year. (it also supports automated installations)

 it has however nothing to do with the actual creation of images.
 we (arch-releng) use the archiso tool to do that, there's also the
 unofficial archboot scripts which are meant for creation of
 lightweight, early-userspace-only images.


 Dieter


Okay. I read about AIF in the forum (Google search), so was unsure
about its stability. Isn't there any documentation about AIF ?

-- 
Nilesh Govindarajan
Site  Server Administrator
www.itech7.com


Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images

2010-03-08 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:07:07 +0530
Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Dieter Plaetinck
 die...@plaetinck.be wrote:
  On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 22:33:16 +0530
  Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote:
 
  So you want to do a templated installation something like that of
  kickstart availalbe in Fedora, Redhat and CentOS.
 
  It is possible using Arch Installation Framework but it is under
  development and not meant for use in production.
 
 
  aif is the installation software which is pretty stable and has
  officially replaced the old /arch/setup and /arch/quickinst scripts
  since august last year. (it also supports automated installations)
 
  it has however nothing to do with the actual creation of images.
  we (arch-releng) use the archiso tool to do that, there's also the
  unofficial archboot scripts which are meant for creation of
  lightweight, early-userspace-only images.
 
 
  Dieter
 
 
 Okay. I read about AIF in the forum (Google search), so was unsure
 about its stability. Isn't there any documentation about AIF ?
 

not as much as i would want, but:

http://projects.archlinux.org/aif.git/tree/README
in the repository there are also examples, (very brief) design notes,
etc.

and of course:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide

Dieter