Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:47:11AM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Jason, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these messages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses) c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline) On my box, when I run namcap on the package built from the PKGBUILD I sent you, I get: c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (ncurses) c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (openssl) c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (readline) And, if I remove all the dependencies, it doesn't report any missing dependencies. It sounds like at the very least it should report openssl as a missing dependency if it's removed. Is there perhaps something I'm missing on my system? It's a fresh install, installed last Friday, from the current ISO and all recent updates have been applied via yaourt. What does readelf -d /usr/bin/c3270 tell you? Namcap doesn't actually use ldd, it uses something faster and more accurate. Jason pgpJPc90WipWH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Jan 29, 2008 11:22 AM, Jason Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:55:26AM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
Jason,
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote:
Being the guy who wrote namcap, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do this at all.
Can I get a copy of the PKGBUILD to test with? It sounds like it should be
detecting these...
I sent you a private e-mail with the PKGBUILD attached.
Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these
messages:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz
c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses)
c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline)
The depends line looks like this:
depends=('ncurses' 'openssl' 'readline')
Notice how openssl isn't listed by namcap as already satisfied? If you
follow the dependency tree, you'll find that ncurses and readline and
covered by a dependency on openssl (openssl - glibc - bash - readline -
ncurses).
Namcap tries to give you the smallest subset of dependencies that your
package needs.
Now, there was a proposal to change the functionality. To list all of the
packages that your package directly depends on. This will eventually
happen, but that's not how it works right now.
In conclusion, there is nothing in namcap about ignoring dependencies in
the base group.
Ah - yeah, that makes more sense - sorry for the confusion. I'm
curious, though, why he reported it listing no deps missing at all
when his depends=() array was empty.
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
Jason, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: What does readelf -d /usr/bin/c3270 tell you? Namcap doesn't actually use ldd, it uses something faster and more accurate. I'm guessing it's the Shared Library section that important to namcap. readelf shows: 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libssl.so.0.9.8] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libcrypto.so.0.9.8] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libnsl.so.1] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libreadline.so.5] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libncursesw.so.5] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libutil.so.1] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:03:17PM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Jason, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: What does readelf -d /usr/bin/c3270 tell you? Namcap doesn't actually use ldd, it uses something faster and more accurate. I'm guessing it's the Shared Library section that important to namcap. readelf shows: 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libssl.so.0.9.8] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libcrypto.so.0.9.8] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libnsl.so.1] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libreadline.so.5] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libncursesw.so.5] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libutil.so.1] 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] Ok, this is probably going to take a little bit of fiddling. Let's get off the mailing list. Can you open a ticket in the bug tracker where we can talk about this more? Jason pgpdTFJHYRR48.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
Hi, You should also try to run namcap on the resulting package and not only on the PKGBUILD ;-) Regards, Colin Pitrat Kevin Monceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Arch General User Mailing List Arch-General@ArchLinux.org cc Subject [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question Kevin Monceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please respond to : General Discusson about Arch Linux arch-general@archlinux.org Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28/01/2008 17:46 Fellow Arch Enthusiasts, I discovered Arch about a year ago, and loved it. I played around with it under VMware for a while, and even created a couple of packages for myself. At the time my hard drive really needed some reorganization/repartitioning before switching to another distribution. But, my DVD burner was acting flaky. Anyway, one year later with a second hard drive installed, and with a new DVD burner on order, I've made the switch to Arch, after trying a few other distros along the way. I can't find the packages I created back when I first started using Arch. At some point I ended up deleting the VMware image to free up some space and neglected to copy the packages. Anyway, I've created a package for c3270. I found an x3270 package but prefer the text console version. Is there a utility that can be used to help set the package's dependencies? I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: That's odd - it looks like it ought to depend on ncurses (and openssl?) at the very least. You can run pacman -Qo on those files to see what packages they belong to, and stick 'em in the deps. Well, it gets even stranger. I tried adding dependencies for openssl, ncurses, and readline, which according to ldd are needed. When I then run namcap on the package file is says those dependencies are unneeded. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
[arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
Fellow Arch Enthusiasts, I discovered Arch about a year ago, and loved it. I played around with it under VMware for a while, and even created a couple of packages for myself. At the time my hard drive really needed some reorganization/repartitioning before switching to another distribution. But, my DVD burner was acting flaky. Anyway, one year later with a second hard drive installed, and with a new DVD burner on order, I've made the switch to Arch, after trying a few other distros along the way. I can't find the packages I created back when I first started using Arch. At some point I ended up deleting the VMware image to free up some space and neglected to copy the packages. Anyway, I've created a package for c3270. I found an x3270 package but prefer the text console version. Is there a utility that can be used to help set the package's dependencies? I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
Kevin Monceaux wrote: By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin I think it's just pacman spelled backwards. DR
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: I think namcap ignores dependencies in the 'base' group, since everyone is expected to have base installed, maybe? I'm not 100% sure of its internals in this sense. That sounds like a reasonable possibility. To get an idea of whether it's more common to explicitly list base dependencies or leave them out I checked a couple of other packages that depend on ncurses. extra/editors/vim and aur/unsupported/alpine both depend on ncurses but don't have ncurses listed as a dependency. extra/network/irssi and extra/network/mutt, on the other hand, explicitly list ncurses as a dependency. So, it looks like there's a mixture in both official and aur based packages. I'd say leave them in - they're clearly needed. I looked through the Arch Packaging Standards page and didn't really get a clear impression on which is the preferred method, but I might have missed something. So, unless I hear otherwise, I'll explicitly list them. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
Re: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question
On Jan 28, 2008 11:46 AM, Kevin Monceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? namcap will find dependencies only when run on a built package - it can't analyse a PKGBUILD and discover deps for you. Build the package, then run namcap /path/to/pkgname-pkgver-pkgrel.pkg.tar.gz and it'll tell you. If you can't even build the package because of missing deps on your system, then check out the project's documentation - they're usually pretty good about telling you what you need.
