Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 31 July 2010 12:37, ALAUX, Guillaume guilla...@alaux.net wrote: On 31 July 2010 12:23, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 01:08 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: On 31 July 2010 11:51, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 12:22 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? send me everything Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks are you updating to the new stable series? -- Ionuț The 5.5.30 yes. Well actually the update is hardly just a version change. You can already get it here and use ithttp://github.com/galaux/abs/blob/master/tomcat_current/PKGBUILD . done I would also like to propose this new package tomcat-admin http://github.com/galaux/abs/tree/master/tomcat_current-adminthat provides the administration webapp. These have been tested on i686 and x64. upload it in aur and if it gets enough votes maybe somebody will move it into community. -- Ionuț upload it in aur and if it gets enough votes maybe somebody will move it into community. Hum... I should have thought about that ! There it ishttp://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=39306 . Thanks. Hi Ionut, Hi everyone, As said earlier, I have some changes to the tomcat package that I would like to share: * Fixed the userdel tomcat in tomcat.install that did not delete the user/group * Changed $arch from ('i686' 'x86_64') to ('any') (Java is supposed to be cross-platform right?) * Removed --with-java=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk from ./configure options - ./configure uses the $JAVA_HOME variable automatically so there shouldn't be any need for that option - $JAVA_HOME needs to be set to the path of JVM we build against but this is a Java pre-requisite anyway - This allows Tomcat to be built and run from virtually any JVM (tested with openjdk6 and jdk/jre from Sun/Oracle) * Core files moved from /opt/tomcat to /usr/share/tomcat (Java Packaging Guidelineshttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Java_Package_Guidelines#Arch_Java_Packaging ) * Log file moved from /opt/tomcat/logs/catalina.log to /var/log/tomcat/ * Conf files moved from /opt/tomcat/conf to /etc/tomcat * Webapps folders moved from /opt/tomcat/webapps to /srv/http/tomcat/webapps * Cleaned startup script /etc/rc.d/tomcat to use variables from /etc/conf.d/tomcat I have tested these changes on i686 and x86_64 and with openjdk6 and jdk/jre: that installs, runs and web applications work to. Source package enclosed. What do you think? Do some of these changes look useful to you? -- Guillaume
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 29 July 2010 17:33, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/29/2010 05:57 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 29 July 2010 16:42, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/29/2010 12:34 AM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUXguilla...@alaux.net wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.orgwrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7 alternatives like Peter said. What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something? OK tested ! So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package: 1) this one http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current is made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated 2) this one http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom is the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but looks cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant ! Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie /opt/java/{,jre} Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo Guillaume thanks for this. i'll add it later today as Dan is kinda inactive -- Ionuț I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? -- Guillaume send me everything -- Ionuț Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/31/2010 12:22 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? send me everything Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks are you updating to the new stable series? -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 31 July 2010 11:51, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 12:22 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? send me everything Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks are you updating to the new stable series? -- Ionuț The 5.5.30 yes. Well actually the update is hardly just a version change. You can already get it here and use ithttp://github.com/galaux/abs/blob/master/tomcat_current/PKGBUILD . I would also like to propose this new package tomcat-adminhttp://github.com/galaux/abs/tree/master/tomcat_current-adminthat provides the administration webapp. These have been tested on i686 and x64. The last things I wanted to test are not related to these PKGBUILDs but to some changes I would like to propose. I could maybe post these later when tested. -- Guillaume
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/31/2010 01:08 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: On 31 July 2010 11:51, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 12:22 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? send me everything Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks are you updating to the new stable series? -- Ionuț The 5.5.30 yes. Well actually the update is hardly just a version change. You can already get it here and use ithttp://github.com/galaux/abs/blob/master/tomcat_current/PKGBUILD . done I would also like to propose this new package tomcat-adminhttp://github.com/galaux/abs/tree/master/tomcat_current-adminthat provides the administration webapp. These have been tested on i686 and x64. upload it in aur and if it gets enough votes maybe somebody will move it into community. -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 31 July 2010 12:23, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 01:08 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: On 31 July 2010 11:51, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/31/2010 12:22 PM, ALAUX, Guillaume wrote: I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? send me everything Hi Ionuț, I just need to test one last thing on x64 when at home on Sunday and will send it right away. Thanks are you updating to the new stable series? -- Ionuț The 5.5.30 yes. Well actually the update is hardly just a version change. You can already get it here and use ithttp://github.com/galaux/abs/blob/master/tomcat_current/PKGBUILD . done I would also like to propose this new package tomcat-admin http://github.com/galaux/abs/tree/master/tomcat_current-adminthat provides the administration webapp. These have been tested on i686 and x64. upload it in aur and if it gets enough votes maybe somebody will move it into community. -- Ionuț upload it in aur and if it gets enough votes maybe somebody will move it into community. Hum... I should have thought about that ! There it ishttp://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=39306 . Thanks.
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/29/2010 12:34 AM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUXguilla...@alaux.net wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7 alternatives like Peter said. What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something? OK tested ! So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package: 1) this onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current is made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated 2) this onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom is the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but looks cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant ! Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie /opt/java/{,jre} Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo Guillaume thanks for this. i'll add it later today as Dan is kinda inactive -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/29/2010 05:57 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 29 July 2010 16:42, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/29/2010 12:34 AM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUXguilla...@alaux.net wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.orgwrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7 alternatives like Peter said. What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something? OK tested ! So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package: 1) this one http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current is made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated 2) this one http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom is the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but looks cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant ! Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie /opt/java/{,jre} Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo Guillaume thanks for this. i'll add it later today as Dan is kinda inactive -- Ionuț I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to get back in business? -- Guillaume send me everything -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@alaux.net wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7 alternatives like Peter said. What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something? OK tested ! So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package: 1) this onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current is made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated 2) this onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom is the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but looks cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant ! Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie /opt/java/{,jre} Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo Guillaume
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete.
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: Hi, On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote: I also have some suggestions for these packages: - rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so would enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7) Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all the similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were alternatives. So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer contains the phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for. Just a thought. Pete. i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name. -- Ionuț Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal : 1) to add some more info about the package 2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the 6 in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and jre5, jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would un-install jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and tomorrow 7) are both used a lot ! well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm not against to use upstream name What about splitting the PKGBUILD? +1 So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme, e.g. java6-open-jdk I do agree. the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really search for java sun it would find jre/jdk pacman -Ss java sun -- Ionuț well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and jdk package when version 7 is released I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7 alternatives like Peter said. What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something?