RE: income and substitution effect

2003-02-13 Thread Lee Coppock
The income-compensated demand curve illustrates the change in quantity
demanded when relative prices change, holding real income constant.  This
isolates the substitution effect and, I feel helps the students to
understand the difference between real and nominal income.  The benefit is
admittedly small.

The reason I always cover i. and s. effects is that it gives the students a
much better understanding of what causes the demand curve to slope downward.
Both effects are important.  Without the distinction of both income and
subs. effects, what is the explanation for downward sloping demand?  It is
probably based upon the substation effect alone.  If this is the case, then
there would be no discussion of the income effect.  The income effect merely
supports the subs. effect except for inferior goods, and for inferior goods,
the income effect is relatively small.  So maybe the income effect is not
important...

Of course there are at least two important macro policy discussions which
rely heavily on the income effect: the demand for leisure (the effects on
labor supply), and the demand for bonds (the effect on the supply of
savings).  In both cases, the income effect may swamp the substitution
effect at some point.

Lee

-Original Message-
From: Alex T Tabarrok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:34 AM
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Subject: Re: income and substitution effect


   So far we have that i. and s. effects are useful to

a) teach Marshallian demand
b) teach difference between nominal and real income
c) students going on to graduate school
d) useful but for reasons that can't be remembered! :)
e)  useful as a hurdle/signal
f) not useful at the intermediate/mba level

Regarding Marshallian demand this is true but just raises the 
question what is the use of Marshallian demand at an intermediate level? 
 (Note almost all textbooks discuss i. and s. effects but most do not 
teach M. demand.)  As I said in my post, for welfare analysis, income 
and substitution effects become important but this is not taught at the 
I. level.

I don't see how i. and s. effects teach nominal and real income but 
am willing to be enlightened.

  c) is possible but it means that teaching i. and s. effects is a 
waste for most students.

Surely there are enough useful things to teach that are also difficult? 
 thus i. and s. effects is not needed for the hurdle.

Thus the bulk of the posts, and a number I have received offlist, 
increase in my mind the hypothesis that this material is a waste of time 
(relative to other things that could be taught).


Alex

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RE: income and substitution effect

2003-02-11 Thread Lee Coppock
Alex,

I believe that it is certainly worth the trouble for students who go on to
graduate studies, and perhaps for others as well.  I usually discuss
Friedman's Marshallian Demand curve piece and the income/substitution effect
conversation is necessary for this.  In addition, it just helps students to
understand the differences between real and nominal income, they will do
better in Macro if they understand this whole concept.

Lee Coppock

-Original Message-
From: Alex T Tabarrok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:40 AM
To: armchair
Subject: income and substitution effect


Almost every intermediate micro text spends a great deal of time on 
income versus substitution effects.  This is a somewhat tricky concept 
for students to understand so one would hope that the payoff to learning 
the idea is high.  But what is the payoff?  One of the few applications 
is to labor supply which most textbooks put much later in the text and 
don't connect to the income and substitution effect anyway.  Most 
textbooks don't do any sophisticated welfare analysis either.  So is it 
really worthwhile to learn this material?

Alex

-- 
Alexander Tabarrok 
Department of Economics, MSN 1D3 
George Mason University 
Fairfax, VA, 22030 
Tel. 703-993-2314

Web Page: http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/ 

and 

Director of Research 
The Independent Institute 
100 Swan Way 
Oakland, CA, 94621 
Tel. 510-632-1366 







RE: Economic anamolies and Kuhn

2003-01-31 Thread Lee Coppock
stagflation.

-Original Message-
From: fabio guillermo rojas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:32 PM
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Subject: Economic anamolies and Kuhn



I'm teaching a course on the sociology of science and we read Kuhn's
structure of scientific revolutions. FYI, Kuhn says that science is
characterized by "paradigms" - most science works from basic assumptions
justified by "model achievements." Scientific change occurs when anamolies
- observations contradicting theory - undermine the "paradigm" and new
ideas are adopted.

Can someone provide me an example of an anamoly from the recent history of
economics that led to a fundamental change in economic theory?

Fabio