Re: academic journals

2002-06-24 Thread Robin Hanson

Fred Foldvary wrote:
> > universities are maximizing something, but it's not clear what.
>
>Could it be that such universities seek to maximize prestige, or academic
>esteem?   Thus, the original seed of
>good and useful research grows into a tree where the fruit becomes an end in
>itself and is perpetuated by cultural memes which are themselves the end.

I hope you meant "original seed" metaphorically, rather than temporally.
It's not clear there ever was a time when things were different.

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Re: academic journals

2002-06-22 Thread Fred Foldvary

> universities are maximizing something, but it's not clear what.
> John Samples

Could it be that such universities seek to maximize prestige, or academic
esteem?  In the academic culture, publishing in "top" journals generates
esteem, so that is what is sought.  Secondarily, an academic reputation
generates esteem among the public.  Students then seek out such universities,
not because the teaching is good, since it may not be, but because the
prestige carries over to degrees and credentials.  Thus, the original seed of
good and useful research grows into a tree where the fruit becomes an end in
itself and is perpetuated by cultural memes which are themselves the end.

The question is whether the "top" economic journals do publish the most
useful and innovative research and insights, or whether an academic culture
has developed that self-perpetuates an illusion.

Fred Foldvary 

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academic journals

2002-06-21 Thread John Samples

I have taken the liberty of changing the subject line since the discussion seems to 
have shifted.

Given that this is the Armchair list, what would economists make of an industry that 
works like this:

A firm (the university) hires employees (professors) to make products (articles) that 
are then given gratis to other firms (journal publishers) who produce a product (a 
journal) that is then sold back to a part of the original firm (the university 
library) who buys it on behalf of other parties (its faculty) who by and large will 
not spend their own money on the product (and do so only when there is severe price 
discrimination in their favor). Academic books fit the same model except the product 
is sold to the publisher but the proceeds go to the employee and not the firm that 
originally invested in the writing of the book.

Steve Landesberg recently remarked to me in relation to his experience with university 
administration that it's clear universities are maximizing something, but it's not 
clear what. Perhaps by publishing journals, universities maximize the quality of 
students who seek admission.

 

John Samples

Cato




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