RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)
Yes, I am a big fan of Bollywood of yester-year...because what is being produced now has such little substance! Still, like you had correctly pointed out, I am a novice when it comes to Salil Chaudhary's music; but I have always thought that compared to Naushad, Shankar-Jaikishan, SDB, RDB and so on, he had done very little music, maybe just for artsy movies like Do Bheega Zamin and Devdas (Bimal Roy's), not to make light of these masterpieces of filmmaking. Well, I listened to Anand today a lot and I see what you are sayingthe songs are really, really captivating. Maine Tere Liye might be the 3rd in the list now for me after Kahin Door Job and Na Jiya Lage Na. I think RDB's music sound closer to Salilda's music in Anand, like RDB's Ane Wala Pal from Golmaal. Coming to Anbe from Rythm, I see it has heavy orchestration, counterpoint, and emotive changes like Salilda was known for, so in that sense I can draw parallels, but I still don't have a good idea of Salilda's sound to make any firm conclusions. Maybe after I explore some of the other movies and songs that you have suggested, I can bring this topic up again! :) I really appreciate all the information you have provided here. All I can ask these modern composers is 'what did you do with the great tradition od Indian melodies of these greats?' When people start focusing on commercial success, the first thing to disappear is quality artistic work. Thank God for ARR who is doing everything he can to bring back the wonderful tradition of melody. Take care, Dasun >From: Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary) >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:53:41 -0800 (PST) > >to moderator and other members--> excuse me for digressing...and >discussing other composer...i am doing so..because it will give a little >understanding to others also..abt yesteryear composers who have, in some >way or the other, influenced Rahman.. > > > Hi! Dasun, > > I am glad that you appreciate the music given by the legends of >yester-years...looks like you are complete novice when it comes to Salil >Chaudhary's music...i hope the link i gave came to some use atleast. > Anand is not just abt Maine Tere liye...try listening to "kahi door jab >din"...what a fantastic melody it is..the mukhuda itself is enough to >captivate the listener... > or try "na jiya lage na " from same film..which is tuned in raag >Bhageeswari. > there are plenty of films of Salilda, in which he has displayed his >mastery..like the prelude music for the song "aaha rim jhim ke yeh" from >film "usne kaha tha"..it is not a normal brain which can conceive such >wonderful stuff.. > > and regarding your query: > > The song from movie Rhythm is a complex composition...it also has many >uthar-chadaos...i mean...u cannot sing that song casually..no straight >lines..lot of ups and downs..and influence of western classical is >evident..thats why i feel its like tribute to salilda...see the aalaaps in >that song...its unusual... > by uthar-chadaos..i mean ups-downs of notes..which strains >singer/instrumentalist a lot..for eg: take the film choti si baatu have >a song by mukesh "yeh din kya aaye"...listen carefully.."yeh din" is on >higher notes while "kya aaye" is on lower notes...even when he finishes >antharas..the ending is low-scale..and immediately connecting it to lines >of mukhuda as "yeh din"..strains composers a lot.. > example 2: film "parakh"..song"oh sajna"...follow the sitar notes...they >are very tricky..with high scale immediately followed by low scale >notes...if a instrumentalist himself finds it so complex..imagine the brain >which composed such pieces..thats what Salilda was famous for. > > Aakarsh. > > my blog : www.musicmavericks.blogspot.com > >Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Aakarsh! > >Thanks a lot man, that blog spot is awesome! At a personal level, Naushad >probably had the biggest influence on ARR as both are deeply spiritual men, >thus their emphasis on strong melodies. Yesterday, I was listening to 'Hai >Na' and felt certain similarities with the lovely 'Teri Husn ki' from >Leader >although I can't still pinpoint them at a detailed level. The more obvious >ones are the introductions on the santoor (correct me if I'm wrong on the >instrument). > >Coming to Chowdhury's music, I did see Anand once and liked 'Meine Tere >Liye,' but did not know it was by him! Although Anand ma
RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)
to moderator and other members--> excuse me for digressing...and discussing other composer...i am doing so..because it will give a little understanding to others also..abt yesteryear composers who have, in some way or the other, influenced Rahman.. Hi! Dasun, I am glad that you appreciate the music given by the legends of yester-years...looks like you are complete novice when it comes to Salil Chaudhary's music...i hope the link i gave came to some use atleast. Anand is not just abt Maine Tere liye...try listening to "kahi door jab din"...what a fantastic melody it is..the mukhuda itself is enough to captivate the listener... or try "na jiya lage na " from same film..which is tuned in raag Bhageeswari. there are plenty of films of Salilda, in which he has displayed his mastery..like the prelude music for the song "aaha rim jhim ke yeh" from film "usne kaha tha"..it is not a normal brain which can conceive such wonderful stuff.. and regarding your query: The song from movie Rhythm is a complex composition...it also has many uthar-chadaos...i mean...u cannot sing that song casually..no straight lines..lot of ups and downs..and influence of western classical is evident..thats why i feel its like tribute to salilda...see the aalaaps in that song...its unusual... by uthar-chadaos..i mean ups-downs of notes..which strains singer/instrumentalist a lot..for eg: take the film choti si baatu have a song by mukesh "yeh din kya aaye"...listen carefully.."yeh din" is on higher notes while "kya aaye" is on lower notes...even when he finishes antharas..the ending is low-scale..and immediately connecting it to lines of mukhuda as "yeh din"..strains composers a lot.. example 2: film "parakh"..song"oh sajna"...follow the sitar notes...they are very tricky..with high scale immediately followed by low scale notes...if a instrumentalist himself finds it so complex..imagine the brain which composed such pieces..thats what Salilda was famous for. Aakarsh. my blog : www.musicmavericks.blogspot.com Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Aakarsh!Thanks a lot man, that blog spot is awesome! At a personal level, Naushad probably had the biggest influence on ARR as both are deeply spiritual men, thus their emphasis on strong melodies. Yesterday, I was listening to 'Hai Na' and felt certain similarities with the lovely 'Teri Husn ki' from Leader although I can't still pinpoint them at a detailed level. The more obvious ones are the introductions on the santoor (correct me if I'm wrong on the instrument).Coming to Chowdhury's music, I did see Anand once and liked 'Meine Tere Liye,' but did not know it was by him! Although Anand may not be in the same league as Madhumati, after buying the album just now (it's amazing what you can find on the iTunes Music Store!) and listening to the four songs, I can see they are definitely above par in melodic content. I will definitely check out the other movies you had noted as well.Couple of questions for you.1. What made you attribute 'Anbe' from Rythm to Salilda's style?2. Can you briefly describe the meaning of 'Uthar-Chadaos?Gopal,I tried to make this as 'ARRelevant' as possible since I think these discussions are very educational for us all, but feel free to give the 'take it outside!' command as necessary. :)Regards,Dasun>From: Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com>To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com>Subject: RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:49:36 -0800 (PST)>>Hi!>> read your mail...the biggest surprise came to me when i read that >Madhumati is the only album of Salil Chaudhary which you've heard. He was a >super-genius who was ranked along the likes of S.D.Burman, Naushad , Madan >Mohan and all..>> His area of expertise was Western Classical plus Folk.Infact, >Ilaiyaraaja worked with Salilda as a guitarist,which is why he too emulated >similar ingredients. Salilda was the first composer,in india, who looked at >Symphonies of the west..and understood the nuances which he adapted very >well..by fusing indian folk into it.We can say that his music was also a >kind of Fusion. he was a genius...his compositions were kinda complex..with >lot of Uthar-Chadaos..infact...the number of simple compositions is very >less...because most of his compositions used to baffle the >instrumentalists...people in those times used to feel that he is a cut >different from the rest because of his unique formula of >symphony+folk+classical.>> Some fantastic albums of Salilda are here : >http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/m/music_director.494/ try them...my >picks would b
Re: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)
Hey guys, This discussion is really gr8. If you guyz could throw some more light on some of his best songs. I personally like the title song of Ragnigandha (Lata Mangeshwar is awsome). guys pls continue. Raghu - Original Message - From: Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary) Hi! read your mail...the biggest surprise came to me when i read that Madhumati is the only album of Salil Chaudhary which you've heard. He was a super-genius who was ranked along the likes of S.D.Burman, Naushad , Madan Mohan and all.. His area of expertise was Western Classical plus Folk.Infact, Ilaiyaraaja worked with Salilda as a guitarist,which is why he too emulated similar ingredients. Salilda was the first composer,in india, who looked at Symphonies of the west..and understood the nuances which he adapted very well..by fusing indian folk into it.We can say that his music was also a kind of Fusion. he was a genius...his compositions were kinda complex..with lot of Uthar-Chadaos..infact...the number of simple compositions is very less...because most of his compositions used to baffle the instrumentalists...people in those times used to feel that he is a cut different from the rest because of his unique formula of symphony+folk+classical. Some fantastic albums of Salilda are here : http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/m/music_director.494/ try them...my picks would be Anand, Maya, Parakh, Rajnigandha, Choti Si baat, Chaya, etc.,. i know Rahman admires Salilda a lot...however, having heard many Salil-da songs, i can say that Rahman doesnt imbibe much of Salilda's style...he does..but not much..According to me Rahman is (more) heavily inspired by Naushad...and sometimes, both the Burmans..and at times even Ilaiyaraaja...he himself admits it..The Salil-da ingredient is very less..but yet, if you take a song like "Sky"song from "Rhythm"..it is his tribute to Salil-da. Regards Aakarsh. ( www.musicmavericks.blogspot.com ) Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you so much for this link! I have always been blown over by the Music of Madhumati, eversince I saw the movie (one of my first in Hindi along with Abhimaan) as a 9 or 10 year old. I still remember falling in love with the beauty of Vaijyanthimala, so this movie has a special meaning for me too! Coming back to the music of Salil Chouwdhury, it is a class apart in this movie, his versatality shows through the incredible variety of styles he composes in this album. From the lyrical ballad Dil Tadap, to the lovely Zulmi Sanga Aankh Ladi, to the heartwrenching Toote Hue Khwabon, to the comical Jungle Mein, and the opening Aja Re Paradesi, which always gave me the impression that both Mani Ratnam and ARR had this song in mind for Roja's opening chinna chinna Asai, just a hunch. Anyway, truly a masterpiece by all means. Unfortunately, that is the only Salil Chouwdhury album I currently have or heard, well I have the old Devdas DVD, but that does not have many songs.Looks like he was Bimal Roy's favorite, that should speak enough of his genius! I like these topics...we should branch out once in a while and discuss the old greats of Indian music, who undoubtedly have influenced ARR in many ways.>From: "Manoj Mohan C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com>To: "ARR Fans" >Subject: [arr] [semi-ARR] ARR mentioned in tribute to Salil Da>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:37:27 +0530>>...Music directors from Shankar-Jaikishen to A.R. Rahman have been >struck by Salil da's felicity in matching orchestration with >emotions..The skilful use of obligato, the counter melody flowing >around the main melody, is an unfailing attraction of his >music.Both Ilayaraja and A.R. Rahman followed the path charted by >him. Ilayaraja was introduced to the film industry as guitarist and combo >organ player in Salil da's recordings and his influence on Ilayaraja is >evident. R.K. Sekhar, Rahman's father, worked with Salil da as an >assistant. Rahman himself testifies that attending Salil da's recording >sessions at a young age left an indelible impression on him.>>http://www.hindu.com/mag/2005/11/20/stories/2005112000340500.htm>>Manoj Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL
RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)
Hi Aakarsh! Thanks a lot man, that blog spot is awesome! At a personal level, Naushad probably had the biggest influence on ARR as both are deeply spiritual men, thus their emphasis on strong melodies. Yesterday, I was listening to 'Hai Na' and felt certain similarities with the lovely 'Teri Husn ki' from Leader although I can't still pinpoint them at a detailed level. The more obvious ones are the introductions on the santoor (correct me if I'm wrong on the instrument). Coming to Chowdhury's music, I did see Anand once and liked 'Meine Tere Liye,' but did not know it was by him! Although Anand may not be in the same league as Madhumati, after buying the album just now (it's amazing what you can find on the iTunes Music Store!) and listening to the four songs, I can see they are definitely above par in melodic content. I will definitely check out the other movies you had noted as well. Couple of questions for you. 1. What made you attribute 'Anbe' from Rythm to Salilda's style? 2. Can you briefly describe the meaning of 'Uthar-Chadaos? Gopal, I tried to make this as 'ARRelevant' as possible since I think these discussions are very educational for us all, but feel free to give the 'take it outside!' command as necessary. :) Regards, Dasun >From: Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary) >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:49:36 -0800 (PST) > >Hi! > > read your mail...the biggest surprise came to me when i read that >Madhumati is the only album of Salil Chaudhary which you've heard. He was a >super-genius who was ranked along the likes of S.D.Burman, Naushad , Madan >Mohan and all.. > > His area of expertise was Western Classical plus Folk.Infact, >Ilaiyaraaja worked with Salilda as a guitarist,which is why he too emulated >similar ingredients. Salilda was the first composer,in india, who looked at >Symphonies of the west..and understood the nuances which he adapted very >well..by fusing indian folk into it.We can say that his music was also a >kind of Fusion. he was a genius...his compositions were kinda complex..with >lot of Uthar-Chadaos..infact...the number of simple compositions is very >less...because most of his compositions used to baffle the >instrumentalists...people in those times used to feel that he is a cut >different from the rest because of his unique formula of >symphony+folk+classical. > > Some fantastic albums of Salilda are here : >http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/m/music_director.494/ try them...my >picks would be Anand, Maya, Parakh, Rajnigandha, Choti Si baat, Chaya, >etc.,. > > i know Rahman admires Salilda a lot...however, having heard many >Salil-da songs, i can say that Rahman doesnt imbibe much of Salilda's >style...he does..but not much..According to me Rahman is (more) heavily >inspired by Naushad...and sometimes, both the Burmans..and at times even >Ilaiyaraaja...he himself admits it..The Salil-da ingredient is very >less..but yet, if you take a song like "Sky"song from "Rhythm"..it is his >tribute to Salil-da. > > > Regards > Aakarsh. > ( www.musicmavericks.blogspot.com ) > >Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you so much for this link! I have always been blown over by the >Music >of Madhumati, eversince I saw the movie (one of my first in Hindi along >with >Abhimaan) as a 9 or 10 year old. I still remember falling in love with the >beauty of Vaijyanthimala, so this movie has a special meaning for me too! >Coming back to the music of Salil Chouwdhury, it is a class apart in this >movie, his versatality shows through the incredible variety of styles he >composes in this album. From the lyrical ballad Dil Tadap, to the lovely >Zulmi Sanga Aankh Ladi, to the heartwrenching Toote Hue Khwabon, to the >comical Jungle Mein, and the opening Aja Re Paradesi, which always gave me >the impression that both Mani Ratnam and ARR had this song in mind for >Roja's opening chinna chinna Asai, just a hunch. Anyway, truly a >masterpiece >by all means. Unfortunately, that is the only Salil Chouwdhury album I >currently have or heard, well I have the old Devdas DVD, but that does not >have many songs. > >Looks like he was Bimal Roy's favorite, that should speak enough of his >genius! I like these topics...we should branch out once in a while and >discuss the old greats of Indian music, who undoubtedly have influenced ARR >in many ways. > > > >From: "Manoj Mohan C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@ya
RE: [arr] to Dasun Abeysekara (regarding Salil Chaudhary)
Hi! read your mail...the biggest surprise came to me when i read that Madhumati is the only album of Salil Chaudhary which you've heard. He was a super-genius who was ranked along the likes of S.D.Burman, Naushad , Madan Mohan and all.. His area of expertise was Western Classical plus Folk.Infact, Ilaiyaraaja worked with Salilda as a guitarist,which is why he too emulated similar ingredients. Salilda was the first composer,in india, who looked at Symphonies of the west..and understood the nuances which he adapted very well..by fusing indian folk into it.We can say that his music was also a kind of Fusion. he was a genius...his compositions were kinda complex..with lot of Uthar-Chadaos..infact...the number of simple compositions is very less...because most of his compositions used to baffle the instrumentalists...people in those times used to feel that he is a cut different from the rest because of his unique formula of symphony+folk+classical. Some fantastic albums of Salilda are here : http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/m/music_director.494/ try them...my picks would be Anand, Maya, Parakh, Rajnigandha, Choti Si baat, Chaya, etc.,. i know Rahman admires Salilda a lot...however, having heard many Salil-da songs, i can say that Rahman doesnt imbibe much of Salilda's style...he does..but not much..According to me Rahman is (more) heavily inspired by Naushad...and sometimes, both the Burmans..and at times even Ilaiyaraaja...he himself admits it..The Salil-da ingredient is very less..but yet, if you take a song like "Sky"song from "Rhythm"..it is his tribute to Salil-da. Regards Aakarsh. ( www.musicmavericks.blogspot.com ) Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you so much for this link! I have always been blown over by the Music of Madhumati, eversince I saw the movie (one of my first in Hindi along with Abhimaan) as a 9 or 10 year old. I still remember falling in love with the beauty of Vaijyanthimala, so this movie has a special meaning for me too! Coming back to the music of Salil Chouwdhury, it is a class apart in this movie, his versatality shows through the incredible variety of styles he composes in this album. From the lyrical ballad Dil Tadap, to the lovely Zulmi Sanga Aankh Ladi, to the heartwrenching Toote Hue Khwabon, to the comical Jungle Mein, and the opening Aja Re Paradesi, which always gave me the impression that both Mani Ratnam and ARR had this song in mind for Roja's opening chinna chinna Asai, just a hunch. Anyway, truly a masterpiece by all means. Unfortunately, that is the only Salil Chouwdhury album I currently have or heard, well I have the old Devdas DVD, but that does not have many songs.Looks like he was Bimal Roy's favorite, that should speak enough of his genius! I like these topics...we should branch out once in a while and discuss the old greats of Indian music, who undoubtedly have influenced ARR in many ways.>From: "Manoj Mohan C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com>To: "ARR Fans" >Subject: [arr] [semi-ARR] ARR mentioned in tribute to Salil Da>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:37:27 +0530>>...Music directors from Shankar-Jaikishen to A.R. Rahman have been >struck by Salil da's felicity in matching orchestration with >emotions..The skilful use of obligato, the counter melody flowing >around the main melody, is an unfailing attraction of his >music.Both Ilayaraja and A.R. Rahman followed the path charted by >him. Ilayaraja was introduced to the film industry as guitarist and combo >organ player in Salil da's recordings and his influence on Ilayaraja is >evident. R.K. Sekhar, Rahman's father, worked with Salil da as an >assistant. Rahman himself testifies that attending Salil da's recording >sessions at a young age left an indelible impression on him.>>http://www.hindu.com/mag/2005/11/20/stories/2005112000340500.htm>>Manoj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "arrahmanfans" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS New country music artists Country music artists Music artists New music artists Christian music artists Unsigned music artist
