Re: [arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
hi... u got it very right ajit..and the unconventional factor is always there... Ajit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now, I'm speaking about his Hindi output. When I listen to songs like Ay Hairathe, Tere Bina, Lukka Chuppi, Tu Bin Bataye, Yeh Rishta, Yeh Jo Desh, Saawariya, Pal Pal Bhari, Desh Ki Mitti, Naina Neer, Piya Ho, etc. etc. etc., there is no doubt in my mind that no other musical director in recent times has created as powerful and moving melodies as our Boss. Nevermind the arrangements, rhythm, sound, for which our Boss is already king and known for it. There is an evergreen stamp to many of his recent melodies. However, I don't hear the media or the general public raving about his sense of melody too often. And I think it's ignorant to say that Rahman should be known for his technical skills rather than his tune skills. Without a doubt, the man is a master tunesmith. I just don't see how people don't realize that when listening to the examples above. One reason why his melodies may not be as appreciated as they should is based on a comment that my parents made recently after listening to some of Rahman's songs. They like Rahman a lot and know how brilliant he is, etc. However, they keep mentioning how the songs of today in general compared to the evergreen years lack powerful yet simple melodies and moving lyrics. When I point to Rahman's songs, they agree that his songs are melodious, but the THEY ARE HARD TO SING. For them, that is the sticking point, that Rahman's songs are often too difficult to sing (unless one is a trained and talented singer) and one cannot hum them as easily. Seems like an overly simplistic point, but perhaps to the commaon man, it's true. While Rahman's songs are beautiful, full of melody, the melodic contours are often full of twists and turns and tinged with a classical bent, making them difficult for the average person to just listen with ease and to hum along. I think this makes a difference with popularity. Many of Rahman's most commercially successful numbers were ones that were not only catchy, but easy to hum along and sing with. Maybe this is the reason why Nadeem Shravan were called the melody kings (don't make me laugh too hard). Although their melodies were often stale and cheesy, their songs were easy to sing along with, light and easy music for the common man to digest. Not that Rahman has to ever stoop as low as NS, but perhaps there is a point here. One of the reasons why the song Tere Bina is so popular is perhaps that along with being beautiful and brilliant, the melody itself is fairly simple enough to understand and remember easily, esp. the dham dhara dham part. Same goes for Ru Ba Ru from RDB. Anyway, agree or disagree, I think this will be interesting to discuss. - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: [arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
Ajith, i completely agree with you. I think ARR's songs are challneges to any mediocre or an OK singer. The best example may be the music talent shows. I watched almost all the episodes of Sa Re Ga Ma Pa that aired last year and saw every singer fail miserably on ARR's tracks. They performed well on the same songs later when they were trained properly. In Bengali, we often discuss one thing that some poet write for mass people and some write for other poets only. ARR is a music director whose music is truly and completely understood by another knowlegable person only (by stating this I am not inflating myself because I think I love his music and have to go ways to understand it perfectly). He gives 'food' of that standard which common man cannot digest, but yes they can definitely savour it. Have anybody travelled by train in North India belt? There are a number of beggers on this trek who sing amazingly. Their range and skill of singing is unbelievable. Everytime on my trip to home, i ask them to sit and sing in my compartment. All the songs they sing are either by Nadeem Shravan or Anu Malik. I know they are also very good composers but their music is like water - can be digested by any and everybody but leaves no mark later. Durba --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pradeepan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this certainly is an interesting topic. first abt the difficulty of Singing ARR Tunes: In a way it may be true. But Ajit, were you referring to the Tune itself being complicated or the Lyrics ? as far as Lyrics are concerned, Great Lyrics with good phonetics can only give 10% to the song at best. MUSIC will always be the #1 Factor. that is one reason why Language is also not a barrier for Good Music. Regarding the tune itself being complicated, I dont know - maybe true. Ai Hairathe song maybe complicated in terms of Tune - but still the Mind can keep playing them over n over. So whether I am singing it aloud while walking/bathing doesnt really matter :) About Visuals: I agree that great visuals can enhance a song's popularity. But I want to tell again that MUSIC will remain the #1 factor for a song. Even if Prabhu Deva hadnt danced for Muqqabla song , what do you think wud have happened ? I have no doubt that it would have been a massive hit. Of course the exceptions wud be songs that were watched just for the Visuals. Of all the ARTS, MUSIC will always be #1. It is greater than the movie itself. It is greater than the Lyrics itself. Plus as Shwetha says, the best way to enjoy music is to close the eyes, and absorb the Music into the mind. God Bless ARR. Bye. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Shwetha Signs shwethasigns@ wrote: To Dear Ajit_ji Mundra-Ji :-) Sorry to kid u. I thought of addrsng u with twice ji's as one for targeting video two days back now audio is fired to mean what i say here now. What happnd ? Mind breaking ! .. First u targeted the directors to mention you want to see mr.ARR work only with bollywood directors especially mr.gowariker for others are not visualising his songs properly. Now its audio turn, TO TARGET MR. RAHMAN HIMSELF. If you subtract your arguments.., the resultant will be M/s.Nadeem Shravan other such simple music making bollywood MDs must work with bollywood directors. Good going. As per your argument already mr.ARR is not composing all of bollywood movies as there r other BW-MDs doing their bit. Then why worry. Only few BW-Dirs pick mr.ARR. Added to that If that is your such fans' wish then Fans in other regions ll be happier ever than now to enjoy ARR's works in more regional films than this too much expecting fans of bollywood for they could be not be satisfied by any means. Sorry to ask something in general to all such dissatisfied fans, whether are they correct in all, 100% ? If you analyse like this you cannot enjoy any outcome of present entertainment. Its better to realize enjoy the works as it is... presented. Otherwise you will not find satisfaction forever. Take life as it comes. No fuss needed. I like to refer what gr8 visuals we see in Water movie songs, a serious theme. It is ordinary. But songs are extraordinary. We do not need visuals at all, when we able to appreciate any kind of good music. Even in garments designing, MISMATCH is also a fashion than usual matching. So if visuals do not match just forget enjoy music. For that it is not fair to pin-point certain things directly or indirectly. Or intentions ? To me my friends, when it is music, we wont switch on video songs for... that will distract from enjoying music completely. And if we wish to see video, wont try to match the audio and just enjoy the visuals. Visuals in songs are not depicting reality. Just an exaggeration, imagination even absurd to say be it any movie, if you analyse deep in your way
Re: [arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
Did I say that I only wanted Rahman to work with Bollywood directors? Quite an assumption you made. I find your comments quite hilarious for their impulsiveness and complete misinterpretation. Thanks for the humor. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Shwetha Signs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Dear Ajit_ji Mundra-Ji :-) Sorry to kid u. I thought of addrsng u with twice ji's as one for targeting video two days back now audio is fired to mean what i say here now. What happnd ? Mind breaking ! .. First u targeted the directors to mention you want to see mr.ARR work only with bollywood directors especially mr.gowariker for others are not visualising his songs properly. Now its audio turn, TO TARGET MR. RAHMAN HIMSELF. If you subtract your arguments.., the resultant will be M/s.Nadeem Shravan other such simple music making bollywood MDs must work with bollywood directors. Good going. As per your argument already mr.ARR is not composing all of bollywood movies as there r other BW-MDs doing their bit. Then why worry. Only few BW-Dirs pick mr.ARR. Added to that If that is your such fans' wish then Fans in other regions ll be happier ever than now to enjoy ARR's works in more regional films than this too much expecting fans of bollywood for they could be not be satisfied by any means. Sorry to ask something in general to all such dissatisfied fans, whether are they correct in all, 100% ? If you analyse like this you cannot enjoy any outcome of present entertainment. Its better to realize enjoy the works as it is... presented. Otherwise you will not find satisfaction forever. Take life as it comes. No fuss needed. I like to refer what gr8 visuals we see in Water movie songs, a serious theme. It is ordinary. But songs are extraordinary. We do not need visuals at all, when we able to appreciate any kind of good music. Even in garments designing, MISMATCH is also a fashion than usual matching. So if visuals do not match just forget enjoy music. For that it is not fair to pin-point certain things directly or indirectly. Or intentions ? To me my friends, when it is music, we wont switch on video songs for... that will distract from enjoying music completely. And if we wish to see video, wont try to match the audio and just enjoy the visuals. Visuals in songs are not depicting reality. Just an exaggeration, imagination even absurd to say be it any movie, if you analyse deep in your way to say people do not dance daily or do not sing nearly 5 mts. while shopping or while doing any action for that sake be it a simple song. Kindly consider my post in right spirit. Rgds Ajit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now, I'm speaking about his Hindi output. When I listen to songs like Ay Hairathe, Tere Bina, Lukka Chuppi, Tu Bin Bataye, Yeh Rishta, Yeh Jo Desh, Saawariya, Pal Pal Bhari, Desh Ki Mitti, Naina Neer, Piya Ho, etc. etc. etc., there is no doubt in my mind that no other musical director in recent times has created as powerful and moving melodies as our Boss. Nevermind the arrangements, rhythm, sound, for which our Boss is already king and known for it. There is an evergreen stamp to many of his recent melodies. However, I don't hear the media or the general public raving about his sense of melody too often. And I think it's ignorant to say that Rahman should be known for his technical skills rather than his tune skills. Without a doubt, the man is a master tunesmith. I just don't see how people don't realize that when listening to the examples above. One reason why his melodies may not be as appreciated as they should is based on a comment that my parents made recently after listening to some of Rahman's songs. They like Rahman a lot and know how brilliant he is, etc. However, they keep mentioning how the songs of today in general compared to the evergreen years lack powerful yet simple melodies and moving lyrics. When I point to Rahman's songs, they agree that his songs are melodious, but the THEY ARE HARD TO SING. For them, that is the sticking point, that Rahman's songs are often too difficult to sing (unless one is a trained and talented singer) and one cannot hum them as easily. Seems like an overly simplistic point, but perhaps to the commaon man, it's true. While Rahman's songs are beautiful, full of melody, the melodic contours are often full of twists and turns and tinged with a classical bent, making them difficult for the average person to just listen with ease and to hum along. I think this makes a difference with popularity. Many of Rahman's most commercially successful numbers were ones that were not only catchy, but easy to hum along and sing with. Maybe this is the reason why Nadeem Shravan were called the melody kings (don't make me laugh too hard). Although their melodies were often stale and cheesy, their songs were easy to sing along with, light and easy music for
[arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
For now, I'm speaking about his Hindi output. When I listen to songs like Ay Hairathe, Tere Bina, Lukka Chuppi, Tu Bin Bataye, Yeh Rishta, Yeh Jo Desh, Saawariya, Pal Pal Bhari, Desh Ki Mitti, Naina Neer, Piya Ho, etc. etc. etc., there is no doubt in my mind that no other musical director in recent times has created as powerful and moving melodies as our Boss. Nevermind the arrangements, rhythm, sound, for which our Boss is already king and known for it. There is an evergreen stamp to many of his recent melodies. However, I don't hear the media or the general public raving about his sense of melody too often. And I think it's ignorant to say that Rahman should be known for his technical skills rather than his tune skills. Without a doubt, the man is a master tunesmith. I just don't see how people don't realize that when listening to the examples above. One reason why his melodies may not be as appreciated as they should is based on a comment that my parents made recently after listening to some of Rahman's songs. They like Rahman a lot and know how brilliant he is, etc. However, they keep mentioning how the songs of today in general compared to the evergreen years lack powerful yet simple melodies and moving lyrics. When I point to Rahman's songs, they agree that his songs are melodious, but the THEY ARE HARD TO SING. For them, that is the sticking point, that Rahman's songs are often too difficult to sing (unless one is a trained and talented singer) and one cannot hum them as easily. Seems like an overly simplistic point, but perhaps to the commaon man, it's true. While Rahman's songs are beautiful, full of melody, the melodic contours are often full of twists and turns and tinged with a classical bent, making them difficult for the average person to just listen with ease and to hum along. I think this makes a difference with popularity. Many of Rahman's most commercially successful numbers were ones that were not only catchy, but easy to hum along and sing with. Maybe this is the reason why Nadeem Shravan were called the melody kings (don't make me laugh too hard). Although their melodies were often stale and cheesy, their songs were easy to sing along with, light and easy music for the common man to digest. Not that Rahman has to ever stoop as low as NS, but perhaps there is a point here. One of the reasons why the song Tere Bina is so popular is perhaps that along with being beautiful and brilliant, the melody itself is fairly simple enough to understand and remember easily, esp. the dham dhara dham part. Same goes for Ru Ba Ru from RDB. Anyway, agree or disagree, I think this will be interesting to discuss.
Re: [arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
To Dear Ajit_ji Mundra-Ji :-) Sorry to kid u. I thought of addrsng u with twice ji's as one for targeting video two days back now audio is fired to mean what i say here now. What happnd ? Mind breaking ! .. First u targeted the directors to mention you want to see mr.ARR work only with bollywood directors especially mr.gowariker for others are not visualising his songs properly. Now its audio turn, TO TARGET MR. RAHMAN HIMSELF. If you subtract your arguments.., the resultant will be M/s.Nadeem Shravan other such simple music making bollywood MDs must work with bollywood directors. Good going. As per your argument already mr.ARR is not composing all of bollywood movies as there r other BW-MDs doing their bit. Then why worry. Only few BW-Dirs pick mr.ARR. Added to that If that is your such fans' wish then Fans in other regions ll be happier ever than now to enjoy ARR's works in more regional films than this too much expecting fans of bollywood for they could be not be satisfied by any means. Sorry to ask something in general to all such dissatisfied fans, whether are they correct in all, 100% ? If you analyse like this you cannot enjoy any outcome of present entertainment. Its better to realize enjoy the works as it is... presented. Otherwise you will not find satisfaction forever. Take life as it comes. No fuss needed. I like to refer what gr8 visuals we see in Water movie songs, a serious theme. It is ordinary. But songs are extraordinary. We do not need visuals at all, when we able to appreciate any kind of good music. Even in garments designing, MISMATCH is also a fashion than usual matching. So if visuals do not match just forget enjoy music. For that it is not fair to pin-point certain things directly or indirectly. Or intentions ? To me my friends, when it is music, we wont switch on video songs for... that will distract from enjoying music completely. And if we wish to see video, wont try to match the audio and just enjoy the visuals. Visuals in songs are not depicting reality. Just an exaggeration, imagination even absurd to say be it any movie, if you analyse deep in your way to say people do not dance daily or do not sing nearly 5 mts. while shopping or while doing any action for that sake be it a simple song. Kindly consider my post in right spirit. Rgds Ajit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now, I'm speaking about his Hindi output. When I listen to songs like Ay Hairathe, Tere Bina, Lukka Chuppi, Tu Bin Bataye, Yeh Rishta, Yeh Jo Desh, Saawariya, Pal Pal Bhari, Desh Ki Mitti, Naina Neer, Piya Ho, etc. etc. etc., there is no doubt in my mind that no other musical director in recent times has created as powerful and moving melodies as our Boss. Nevermind the arrangements, rhythm, sound, for which our Boss is already king and known for it. There is an evergreen stamp to many of his recent melodies. However, I don't hear the media or the general public raving about his sense of melody too often. And I think it's ignorant to say that Rahman should be known for his technical skills rather than his tune skills. Without a doubt, the man is a master tunesmith. I just don't see how people don't realize that when listening to the examples above. One reason why his melodies may not be as appreciated as they should is based on a comment that my parents made recently after listening to some of Rahman's songs. They like Rahman a lot and know how brilliant he is, etc. However, they keep mentioning how the songs of today in general compared to the evergreen years lack powerful yet simple melodies and moving lyrics. When I point to Rahman's songs, they agree that his songs are melodious, but the THEY ARE HARD TO SING. For them, that is the sticking point, that Rahman's songs are often too difficult to sing (unless one is a trained and talented singer) and one cannot hum them as easily. Seems like an overly simplistic point, but perhaps to the commaon man, it's true. While Rahman's songs are beautiful, full of melody, the melodic contours are often full of twists and turns and tinged with a classical bent, making them difficult for the average person to just listen with ease and to hum along. I think this makes a difference with popularity. Many of Rahman's most commercially successful numbers were ones that were not only catchy, but easy to hum along and sing with. Maybe this is the reason why Nadeem Shravan were called the melody kings (don't make me laugh too hard). Although their melodies were often stale and cheesy, their songs were easy to sing along with, light and easy music for the common man to digest. Not that Rahman has to ever stoop as low as NS, but perhaps there is a point here. One of the reasons why the song Tere Bina is so popular is perhaps that along with being beautiful and brilliant, the melody itself is fairly simple enough to understand and remember easily, esp. the dham dhara dham
Re: [arr] Are Rahman's songs too hard to sing for the common man?
Well, this certainly is an interesting topic. first abt the difficulty of Singing ARR Tunes: In a way it may be true. But Ajit, were you referring to the Tune itself being complicated or the Lyrics ? as far as Lyrics are concerned, Great Lyrics with good phonetics can only give 10% to the song at best. MUSIC will always be the #1 Factor. that is one reason why Language is also not a barrier for Good Music. Regarding the tune itself being complicated, I dont know - maybe true. Ai Hairathe song maybe complicated in terms of Tune - but still the Mind can keep playing them over n over. So whether I am singing it aloud while walking/bathing doesnt really matter :) About Visuals: I agree that great visuals can enhance a song's popularity. But I want to tell again that MUSIC will remain the #1 factor for a song. Even if Prabhu Deva hadnt danced for Muqqabla song , what do you think wud have happened ? I have no doubt that it would have been a massive hit. Of course the exceptions wud be songs that were watched just for the Visuals. Of all the ARTS, MUSIC will always be #1. It is greater than the movie itself. It is greater than the Lyrics itself. Plus as Shwetha says, the best way to enjoy music is to close the eyes, and absorb the Music into the mind. God Bless ARR. Bye. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Shwetha Signs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Dear Ajit_ji Mundra-Ji :-) Sorry to kid u. I thought of addrsng u with twice ji's as one for targeting video two days back now audio is fired to mean what i say here now. What happnd ? Mind breaking ! .. First u targeted the directors to mention you want to see mr.ARR work only with bollywood directors especially mr.gowariker for others are not visualising his songs properly. Now its audio turn, TO TARGET MR. RAHMAN HIMSELF. If you subtract your arguments.., the resultant will be M/s.Nadeem Shravan other such simple music making bollywood MDs must work with bollywood directors. Good going. As per your argument already mr.ARR is not composing all of bollywood movies as there r other BW-MDs doing their bit. Then why worry. Only few BW-Dirs pick mr.ARR. Added to that If that is your such fans' wish then Fans in other regions ll be happier ever than now to enjoy ARR's works in more regional films than this too much expecting fans of bollywood for they could be not be satisfied by any means. Sorry to ask something in general to all such dissatisfied fans, whether are they correct in all, 100% ? If you analyse like this you cannot enjoy any outcome of present entertainment. Its better to realize enjoy the works as it is... presented. Otherwise you will not find satisfaction forever. Take life as it comes. No fuss needed. I like to refer what gr8 visuals we see in Water movie songs, a serious theme. It is ordinary. But songs are extraordinary. We do not need visuals at all, when we able to appreciate any kind of good music. Even in garments designing, MISMATCH is also a fashion than usual matching. So if visuals do not match just forget enjoy music. For that it is not fair to pin-point certain things directly or indirectly. Or intentions ? To me my friends, when it is music, we wont switch on video songs for... that will distract from enjoying music completely. And if we wish to see video, wont try to match the audio and just enjoy the visuals. Visuals in songs are not depicting reality. Just an exaggeration, imagination even absurd to say be it any movie, if you analyse deep in your way to say people do not dance daily or do not sing nearly 5 mts. while shopping or while doing any action for that sake be it a simple song. Kindly consider my post in right spirit. Rgds Ajit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now, I'm speaking about his Hindi output. When I listen to songs like Ay Hairathe, Tere Bina, Lukka Chuppi, Tu Bin Bataye, Yeh Rishta, Yeh Jo Desh, Saawariya, Pal Pal Bhari, Desh Ki Mitti, Naina Neer, Piya Ho, etc. etc. etc., there is no doubt in my mind that no other musical director in recent times has created as powerful and moving melodies as our Boss. Nevermind the arrangements, rhythm, sound, for which our Boss is already king and known for it. There is an evergreen stamp to many of his recent melodies. However, I don't hear the media or the general public raving about his sense of melody too often. And I think it's ignorant to say that Rahman should be known for his technical skills rather than his tune skills. Without a doubt, the man is a master tunesmith. I just don't see how people don't realize that when listening to the examples above. One reason why his melodies may not be as appreciated as they should is based on a comment that my parents made recently after listening to some of Rahman's songs. They like Rahman a lot and know how brilliant he is, etc. However, they keep mentioning how the songs of today in general compared to the
