Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[Prashanth Murali Nottath]

Was listening to the theme song of gladiator me russel crowe. towards
the end of it, the beats appear to have an eerie similarity to the
beats employed in the jiya jale jan jale song in dil se. now dil se
came in 98 while gladiator came in 01. am not suggesting any reverse
plagiarism. jus a similarity.

On 18/12/2007, kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> well said jarshad
>
>
> --- jarshad mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The difference between when a portion of ARR's songs
> > sound similar to other songs is that the portion
> > that sounds similar in AR Rahman's songs is not the
> > core of the song. The songs would have been just as
> > great without those portions too. For example: the
> > final beats in Muqala Muqabla.  The core is always
> > Rahman's. This is not the case with other music
> > directors. In their case, the copied part IS the
> > song!
> >
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Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[kishore kumar]

well said jarshad 


--- jarshad mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The difference between when a portion of ARR's songs
> sound similar to other songs is that the portion
> that sounds similar in AR Rahman's songs is not the
> core of the song. The songs would have been just as
> great without those portions too. For example: the
> final beats in Muqala Muqabla.  The core is always
> Rahman's. This is not the case with other music
> directors. In their case, the copied part IS the
> song! 
> 
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[arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[jarshad mohammed]

The difference between when a portion of ARR's songs sound similar to other 
songs is that the portion that sounds similar in AR Rahman's songs is not the 
core of the song. The songs would have been just as great without those 
portions too. For example: the final beats in Muqala Muqabla.  The core is 
always Rahman's. This is not the case with other music directors. In their 
case, the copied part IS the song! 

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Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[vijay krishnan]

I too accept many MDs lift songs and present it.

I would like to make my point..

MDs composes a song based on some Raaga. The Raaga can have diferent 
flavours. and each MD can handle it differently. For Eg if you listen to 
Ore naal unnai naan from ilamai oonjaladugiradhu. and also
Sahana from Sivaji. the starting will have same traces because both have been 
tuned in
same Raag Sahana(i suppose, corrections appreciated). But as the song grows 
there is 
difference. A raag can have only the same swara pattern. And a MD can use only 
those swaras.
and it seems like copying and people get misconception tat the MDs copy.



- Original Message 
From: Kumaresh-n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 8 December, 2007 10:15:25 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

haha... that guys doesnt seems to have any music knowledge...
so no point of talking abt him.. or the issue brought up by him...




On 08/12/2007, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
I think ARR has built enough of a positive reputation as an original 
and genius composer. Your friend was just misinformed or confused in 
isolation. I think most know which soundtracks are by whom. If a 
person decides to hate ARR or his music for no good reason, then they 
will think what they want to think irrespective of the truth and 
nobody can change that. Fortunately, ARR has most people's respect 
and admiration and a few dissenters are not going to change his 
reputation.

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> 
wrote:
>
> Please read this. ..
> 
> Thought of sharing this experience with you guys.
> 
> I joined a new IT company, a couple of months back and i have got 
some new friends there. I was just having a look at the mobile of 
one of my collegue the last day. I saw that he has loaded some songs 
in his mobile. One of them was gupt. I just played it and he started 
cursing ARR. I was shocked. He said that ARR has done this song and 
is a ditto lift of deep forest. I have heard both deep forest and 
gupt. He said "if he wants to lift then why he should be a MD".He 
was under the impression that Gupt was done by ARR. I really felt 
sad. I told him that it was not by ARR and is by Viju shah. And i 
told him that it is not fare to say something about our boss. 
> Then he felt bad and talked to me for some time on music. I was 
able to convince him on our boss's talent. Even i discussed about 
many of the lifted songs by other MDs. 
> 
> If one person is thinking like this, I guess there may be a 
large number of people who may be under such false impressions. One 
MD has lifted a song and lot of other MDs have to suffer the 
consequences of that plagarism. 
> 
> What do you think guys?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[Amith Chandhran]

Such experiences are not new. They happen. We cannot expect everyone to have
good info. Most of the listeners are average music lovers, and we have
noticed people passing off soundtracks like Josh, Mast, Jungle, Satya,
Refugee, Ashoka and few others under AR's name. We know Sony Music included
Ismail Darbar's compositions in an AR related compilation album. Sometimes
movies like Dil Ne Jise Apna Kaha, even Tehzeeb and Lakeer, go under the
names of other MDs.

What more, I have once noticed someone attributing Guru to Himesh
Reshammiya!

Point is, we have to take it easy!

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On Dec 8, 2007 2:28 PM, || V i s h w e s h || <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Very wise words... :-)
>
> There are always gonna be some shameless ppl around who are gonna say
> shemeless things abt ARR, whenever they get a chance to do so. Like I've
> noticed on Rediff, whenever something is published abt ARR on rediff, there
> are always some very sick comments abt him in the comments section... really
> makes me wonder... how one could hate a gem of a person like ARR...
>
>
>
> *Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  I think ARR has built enough of a positive reputation as an original
> and genius composer. Your friend was just misinformed or confused in
> isolation. I think most know which soundtracks are by whom. If a
> person decides to hate ARR or his music for no good reason, then they
> will think what they want to think irrespective of the truth and
> nobody can change that. Fortunately, ARR has most people's respect
> and admiration and a few dissenters are not going to change his
> reputation.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please read this. ..
> >
> > Thought of sharing this experience with you guys.
> >
> > I joined a new IT company, a couple of months back and i have got
> some new friends there. I was just having a look at the mobile of
> one of my collegue the last day. I saw that he has loaded some songs
> in his mobile. One of them was gupt. I just played it and he started
> cursing ARR. I was shocked. He said that ARR has done this song and
> is a ditto lift of deep forest. I have heard both deep forest and
> gupt. He said "if he wants to lift then why he should be a MD".He
> was under the impression that Gupt was done by ARR. I really felt
> sad. I told him that it was not by ARR and is by Viju shah. And i
> told him that it is not fare to say something about our boss.
> > Then he felt bad and talked to me for some time on music. I was
> able to convince him on our boss's talent. Even i discussed about
> many of the lifted songs by other MDs.
> >
> > If one person is thinking like this, I guess there may be a
> large number of people who may be under such false impressions. One
> MD has lifted a song and lot of other MDs have to suffer the
> consequences of that plagarism.
> >
> > What do you think guys?
> .
>
>
>
>
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Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

Very wise words... :-)

There are always gonna be some shameless ppl around who are gonna say shemeless 
things abt ARR, whenever they get a chance to do so. Like I've noticed on 
Rediff, whenever something is published abt ARR on rediff, there are always 
some very sick comments abt him in the comments section... really makes me 
wonder... how one could hate a gem of a person like ARR...


Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I think ARR has 
built enough of a positive reputation as an original 
 and genius composer.  Your friend was just misinformed or confused in 
 isolation.  I think most know which soundtracks are by whom.  If a 
 person decides to hate ARR or his music for no good reason, then they 
 will think what they want to think irrespective of the truth and 
 nobody can change that.  Fortunately, ARR has most people's respect 
 and admiration and a few dissenters are not going to change his 
 reputation.
 
 --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
 >
 > Please read this. ..
 >   
 >   Thought of sharing this experience with you guys.
 >   
 >   I joined a new IT company, a couple of months back and i have got 
 some  new friends there. I was just having a look at the mobile of 
 one of my  collegue the last day. I saw that he has loaded some songs 
 in his  mobile. One of them was gupt. I just played it and he started 
 cursing  ARR. I was shocked. He said that ARR has done this song and 
 is a ditto  lift of deep forest. I have heard both deep forest and 
 gupt. He said  "if he wants to lift then why he should be a MD".He 
 was under the  impression that Gupt was done by ARR. I really felt 
 sad.  I told  him that it was not by ARR and is by Viju shah. And i 
 told him that it  is not fare to say something about our boss. 
 >   Then he felt bad and talked to me for some time on music. I was 
 able to  convince him on our boss's talent. Even i discussed about 
 many of the  lifted songs by other MDs. 
 >   
 >   If one person is thinking like this, I guess there may be a 
 large  number of people who may be under such false impressions. One 
 MD has  lifted a song and lot of other MDs have to suffer the 
 consequences of  that plagarism. 
 >   
 >   What do you think guys?



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Re: [arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[Kumaresh-n]

haha... that guys doesnt seems to have any music knowledge...
so no point of talking abt him.. or the issue brought up by him...



On 08/12/2007, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I think ARR has built enough of a positive reputation as an original
> and genius composer. Your friend was just misinformed or confused in
> isolation. I think most know which soundtracks are by whom. If a
> person decides to hate ARR or his music for no good reason, then they
> will think what they want to think irrespective of the truth and
> nobody can change that. Fortunately, ARR has most people's respect
> and admiration and a few dissenters are not going to change his
> reputation.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please read this. ..
> >
> > Thought of sharing this experience with you guys.
> >
> > I joined a new IT company, a couple of months back and i have got
> some new friends there. I was just having a look at the mobile of
> one of my collegue the last day. I saw that he has loaded some songs
> in his mobile. One of them was gupt. I just played it and he started
> cursing ARR. I was shocked. He said that ARR has done this song and
> is a ditto lift of deep forest. I have heard both deep forest and
> gupt. He said "if he wants to lift then why he should be a MD".He
> was under the impression that Gupt was done by ARR. I really felt
> sad. I told him that it was not by ARR and is by Viju shah. And i
> told him that it is not fare to say something about our boss.
> > Then he felt bad and talked to me for some time on music. I was
> able to convince him on our boss's talent. Even i discussed about
> many of the lifted songs by other MDs.
> >
> > If one person is thinking like this, I guess there may be a
> large number of people who may be under such false impressions. One
> MD has lifted a song and lot of other MDs have to suffer the
> consequences of that plagarism.
> >
> > What do you think guys?
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>
>  
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[arr] Re: A really bad experience - Please read it.

[Chord]

I think ARR has built enough of a positive reputation as an original 
and genius composer.  Your friend was just misinformed or confused in 
isolation.  I think most know which soundtracks are by whom.  If a 
person decides to hate ARR or his music for no good reason, then they 
will think what they want to think irrespective of the truth and 
nobody can change that.  Fortunately, ARR has most people's respect 
and admiration and a few dissenters are not going to change his 
reputation.


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, kishore kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Please read this. ..
>   
>   Thought of sharing this experience with you guys.
>   
>   I joined a new IT company, a couple of months back and i have got 
some  new friends there. I was just having a look at the mobile of 
one of my  collegue the last day. I saw that he has loaded some songs 
in his  mobile. One of them was gupt. I just played it and he started 
cursing  ARR. I was shocked. He said that ARR has done this song and 
is a ditto  lift of deep forest. I have heard both deep forest and 
gupt. He said  "if he wants to lift then why he should be a MD".He 
was under the  impression that Gupt was done by ARR. I really felt 
sad.  I told  him that it was not by ARR and is by Viju shah. And i 
told him that it  is not fare to say something about our boss. 
>   Then he felt bad and talked to me for some time on music. I was 
able to  convince him on our boss's talent. Even i discussed about 
many of the  lifted songs by other MDs. 
>   
>   If one person is thinking like this, I guess there may be a 
large  number of people who may be under such false impressions. One 
MD has  lifted a song and lot of other MDs have to suffer the 
consequences of  that plagarism. 
>   
>   What do you think guys?
> 
>   
>
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> Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
>