[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Hi Ray and others, In this regard, we may have to bring in an old topic, I guess. It is regarding the "technical ability" or more precisely, the "technical affordability" of the masses who decide between a hit and a flop, be it music or the movie. In movies, it works like this... Higher the tech stuff, more people flock the theatres. Or they get a good clarity CD/DVD and enjoy the visuals, and still have the feel-good factor for themselves. But in Music, many people listen to the a NEW FILM's music in "stereo" quality and not in the 5.1's and above. So, the "sounds which are lost in conventional media" make no difference to these end users. In fact it helps because if these sounds were completely absent, the sound "perception" becomes much clear. The user would feel that the quality is very high, whereas the overlapping sounds of many instruments make the music look somewhat distorted. Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The music come from a Highly technicall stuff and there happens the > recording, what will happen if the end product delivered uses the old > outdated or less compatible stuffs. Do you remember ARR saying he is happy > to do it on 5.1 technology as most of sound are lost in the conventional > media. > > -RAY > > On 2/27/06, Tapey3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What's the process here from multitrack to CD? I assumed that H. > > Sridhar mixes it down to stereo, which the company turns presses into > > stamping master, then CD. Are there more steps than this? Could > > Ayngaran, Star, etc. be messing it up? > > > > I bought AE in India from Sony, but I lost it, so I rebought it from > > Ayngaran, and it sounds fine to my ears. I also bought Rhythm and > > some other film on the CD in a combo. The Rhythm tracks were high > > quality, and the other album (composed by Deva) sounded like an old > > analog recording. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" wrote: > > > > > > Bharath of singingphotons , has it got something to do with ayngharan > > > , pyramid ect? All i knew was that when come to ARR songs in the > > > past...pyramid Cd's were always top notch...ALai Osai had a softer > > > muted sound like minsara Kanavu and khadal Desam...I have those CDs > > > and i played them to fin dout , the same Discman i used 10 years ago.. > > > it is indeed true.i am sure it has something to do with those > > > companies > > > Something's wrong..ARR 's new studio is the most state of the art in > > > the whole of Asia currently...then why is this happening? > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharathidasan Venkatesan" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I > > > thought I > > > > probably was high smoking something... > > > > > > > > Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah > > > Aah, > > > > coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) > > > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148 > > > > > > > > Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the > > > monitors I > > > > have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF > > > once I get > > > > hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools > > > which > > > > would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by > > > giving > > > > us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other > > > for > > > > attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these > > > gizmos > > > > my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes > > > in, I > > > > guess... > > > > > > > > In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the > > > mid > > > > frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite > > > "Thiruda > > > > Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure > > > does sound > > > > different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to > > > the new > > > > Neve console being used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pros can voice in their opinion. > > > > -- > > > > :: Bharath > > > > http://singingphotons.net > > > > > > > > On 2/25/06, up84mouli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fanz, > > > > > > > > > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > > > > > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > > > > > > > > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used > > > (let us > > > > > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > > > > > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable > > > in > > > > > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > > > > > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > He gradually t
Re: [arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Good point. Honestly, I don't know. But, the last process in any audio production would be mastering. This is not the same as CD replication. Typically any mix would go to a mastering engineer, who would adjust the tonality, dynamics etc to make all the tracks in an album cohesive. Now, will that mess up the mix? Possibly !. Even though mastering engineer will not change the mix, he/she still can change the characteristics of the overall mix by using EQ, compressors etc. Once that is done, it will be sent for CD replication. So the whole things hinges on mastering house and its quality. Only people who are part of the workflow can give us some useful information. Ravi d, 5.1 (or 6.1, 7.1 for that matter) is considered a standard for post production, rather than music. Studies seem to have suggested that music on more than 2 channels is mostly distracting and industry has been slow in adapting surround for music (and there is a conspiracy theory that there are lot more stereo CD players to be sold, after which industry will adapt new players, forcing consumers to upgrade). Finally, any good mix engineer will not assume that his mix will be heard on a high end speaker systems and hence prepare his tracks in such a way that the listener doesn't loose main elements of the song even when heard on a crappy mono sound systems. My primary suspects would be mixing/mastering phase rather than the media by itself. -- :: Bharath http://singingphotons.net On 2/27/06, Ravi d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The music come from a Highly technicall stuff and there happens the recording, what will happen if the end product delivered uses the old outdated or less compatible stuffs. Do you remember ARR saying he is happy to do it on 5.1 technology as most of sound are lost in the conventional media.-RAY On 2/27/06, Tapey3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: What's the process here from multitrack to CD? I assumed that H.Sridhar mixes it down to stereo, which the company turns presses into stamping master, then CD. Are there more steps than this? CouldAyngaran, Star, etc. be messing it up?I bought AE in India from Sony, but I lost it, so I rebought it fromAyngaran, and it sounds fine to my ears. I also bought Rhythm and some other film on the CD in a combo. The Rhythm tracks were highquality, and the other album (composed by Deva) sounded like an oldanalog recording.--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Bharath of singingphotons , has it got something to do with ayngharan> , pyramid ect? All i knew was that when come to ARR songs in the > past...pyramid Cd's were always top notch...ALai Osai had a softer> muted sound like minsara Kanavu and khadal Desam...I have those CDs> and i played them to fin dout , the same Discman i used 10 years ago.. > it is indeed true.i am sure it has something to do with those> companies> Something's wrong..ARR 's new studio is the most state of the art in> the whole of Asia currently...then why is this happening? >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharathidasan Venkatesan"> wrote: > >> > Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I > thought I> > probably was high smoking something...> >> > Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah > Aah,> > coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) > >> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148> >> > Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the > monitors I> > have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF > once I get> > hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis.> >> > > >> > For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools > which> > would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by> giving> > us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other > for> > attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these > gizmos> > my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes> in, I> > guess... > >> > In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the > mid> > frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite> "Thiruda> > Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure> does sound > > different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to> the new> > Neve console being used. > >> > > >> > Pros can voice in their opinion. > > --> > :: Bharath> > http://singingphotons.net > >> > On 2/25/06, up84mouli wrote: > > >> > > Hi Fanz,> > >> > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > > > extent...at least for casual listeners.> > > > > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used> (let us> > > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > > > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable > in> > > India, which explains why others didn't even thi
Re: [arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
The music come from a Highly technicall stuff and there happens the recording, what will happen if the end product delivered uses the old outdated or less compatible stuffs. Do you remember ARR saying he is happy to do it on 5.1 technology as most of sound are lost in the conventional media.-RAYOn 2/27/06, Tapey3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:What's the process here from multitrack to CD? I assumed that H.Sridhar mixes it down to stereo, which the company turns presses into stamping master, then CD. Are there more steps than this? CouldAyngaran, Star, etc. be messing it up?I bought AE in India from Sony, but I lost it, so I rebought it fromAyngaran, and it sounds fine to my ears. I also bought Rhythm and some other film on the CD in a combo. The Rhythm tracks were highquality, and the other album (composed by Deva) sounded like an oldanalog recording.--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Bharath of singingphotons , has it got something to do with ayngharan> , pyramid ect? All i knew was that when come to ARR songs in the > past...pyramid Cd's were always top notch...ALai Osai had a softer> muted sound like minsara Kanavu and khadal Desam...I have those CDs> and i played them to fin dout , the same Discman i used 10 years ago.. > it is indeed true.i am sure it has something to do with those> companies> Something's wrong..ARR 's new studio is the most state of the art in> the whole of Asia currently...then why is this happening? >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharathidasan Venkatesan"> wrote:> >> > Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I > thought I> > probably was high smoking something...> >> > Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah> Aah,> > coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) > >> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148> >> > Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the > monitors I> > have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF> once I get> > hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis.> >> > > >> > For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools> which> > would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by> giving> > us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other > for> > attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these> gizmos> > my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes> in, I> > guess... > >> > In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the> mid> > frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite> "Thiruda > > Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure> does sound> > different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to> the new> > Neve console being used. > >> > > >> > Pros can voice in their opinion.> > --> > :: Bharath> > http://singingphotons.net > >> > On 2/25/06, up84mouli wrote:> > >> > > Hi Fanz,> > >> > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > > > extent...at least for casual listeners.> > >> > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used> (let us> > > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > > > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable> in> > > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also> > > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than > others.> > >> > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more> and> > > more live instrumentations and stuff.> > >> > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > > > sounds different I guess...> > >> > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song> to> > > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > > > well defined solos and all that...> > >> > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I> dont> > > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > > > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans.> > >> > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound"> this> > > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others > in> > > that time period.> > >> > > Disclaimer:> > > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the> > > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > >> > > Thanks for reading.> > > Chandra.> > >> > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" > wrote:> > > >> > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR> CDs like> > > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better?> > > >> > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality> than GF> > > > or AHH AHH > > > >> > > > As for GF, the audio doesn
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
What's the process here from multitrack to CD? I assumed that H. Sridhar mixes it down to stereo, which the company turns presses into stamping master, then CD. Are there more steps than this? Could Ayngaran, Star, etc. be messing it up? I bought AE in India from Sony, but I lost it, so I rebought it from Ayngaran, and it sounds fine to my ears. I also bought Rhythm and some other film on the CD in a combo. The Rhythm tracks were high quality, and the other album (composed by Deva) sounded like an old analog recording. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bharath of singingphotons , has it got something to do with ayngharan > , pyramid ect? All i knew was that when come to ARR songs in the > past...pyramid Cd's were always top notch...ALai Osai had a softer > muted sound like minsara Kanavu and khadal Desam...I have those CDs > and i played them to fin dout , the same Discman i used 10 years ago.. > it is indeed true.i am sure it has something to do with those > companies > Something's wrong..ARR 's new studio is the most state of the art in > the whole of Asia currently...then why is this happening? > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharathidasan Venkatesan" > wrote: > > > > Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I > thought I > > probably was high smoking something... > > > > Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah > Aah, > > coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148 > > > > Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the > monitors I > > have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF > once I get > > hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis. > > > > > > > > For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools > which > > would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by > giving > > us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other > for > > attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these > gizmos > > my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes > in, I > > guess... > > > > In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the > mid > > frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite > "Thiruda > > Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure > does sound > > different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to > the new > > Neve console being used. > > > > > > > > Pros can voice in their opinion. > > -- > > :: Bharath > > http://singingphotons.net > > > > On 2/25/06, up84mouli wrote: > > > > > > Hi Fanz, > > > > > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > > > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > > > > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used > (let us > > > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > > > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable > in > > > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > > > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than > others. > > > > > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more > and > > > more live instrumentations and stuff. > > > > > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > > > sounds different I guess... > > > > > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song > to > > > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > > > well defined solos and all that... > > > > > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I > dont > > > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > > > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. > > > > > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" > this > > > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others > in > > > that time period. > > > > > > Disclaimer: > > > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the > > > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > > > > > Thanks for reading. > > > Chandra. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" > wrote: > > > > > > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR > CDs like > > > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > > > > > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality > than GF > > > > or AHH AHH > > > > > > > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR > songs in > > > > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Bharath of singingphotons , has it got something to do with ayngharan , pyramid ect? All i knew was that when come to ARR songs in the past...pyramid Cd's were always top notch...ALai Osai had a softer muted sound like minsara Kanavu and khadal Desam...I have those CDs and i played them to fin dout , the same Discman i used 10 years ago.. it is indeed true.i am sure it has something to do with those companies Something's wrong..ARR 's new studio is the most state of the art in the whole of Asia currently...then why is this happening? --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharathidasan Venkatesan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I thought I > probably was high smoking something... > > Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah Aah, > coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148 > > Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the monitors I > have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF once I get > hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis. > > > > For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools which > would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by giving > us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other for > attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these gizmos > my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes in, I > guess... > > In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the mid > frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite "Thiruda > Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure does sound > different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to the new > Neve console being used. > > > > Pros can voice in their opinion. > -- > :: Bharath > http://singingphotons.net > > On 2/25/06, up84mouli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Fanz, > > > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let us > > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable in > > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. > > > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more and > > more live instrumentations and stuff. > > > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > > sounds different I guess... > > > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song to > > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > > well defined solos and all that... > > > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont > > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. > > > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this > > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others in > > that time period. > > > > Disclaimer: > > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the > > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > > > Thanks for reading. > > Chandra. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" wrote: > > > > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > > > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > > > or AHH AHH > > > > > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in > > > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. > > Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. > > > > Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com > > Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
hey, Rahmaniacs. I feel that our boss has done a good job. I actually wanted rahman to do some 90's music n he did it. By da way how can sonme people say dat da music iz like Deva's music.Itz 1000 times better than deva's.I personnaly feel that rahman has produced a top notch music.stylegamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmm, like u said, in the past ARR songs of the 90s it has something to with the high use of Synthesized instruments ( Not real but computer simulated) which was in digitally manipulated form, meaning u can raise and lower and tweak the sound attributes to our liking...and it will still sound clear and crisp...unlike Live real instruments which need expertise in playing them to get the desired effect...Its true in an interview that WHen ARR made ROJa, he had to use a high number of computer simulated sounds because the real ones were not available in India...And somehow ARR continued the trend throughout the 90s..maybe now he's expereimenting with the real onesSince the listerners have got used to the computer simulated sound over the years...they could not pick up the new trend which ARR is experimenting with - Live real instruments SOmehow they fall short on the listener's ears... --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "up84mouli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Fanz, > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let us > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable in > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more and > more live instrumentations and stuff. > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > sounds different I guess... > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song to > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > well defined solos and all that... > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others in > that time period. > > Disclaimer: > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > Thanks for reading. > Chandra. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" wrote: > > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > > or AHH AHH > > > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in > > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > > > Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Christian music artists New country music artists Music artists New music artists Country music artists Unsigned music artist YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "arrahmanfans" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Hmm, like u said, in the past ARR songs of the 90s it has something to with the high use of Synthesized instruments ( Not real but computer simulated) which was in digitally manipulated form, meaning u can raise and lower and tweak the sound attributes to our liking...and it will still sound clear and crisp...unlike Live real instruments which need expertise in playing them to get the desired effect...Its true in an interview that WHen ARR made ROJa, he had to use a high number of computer simulated sounds because the real ones were not available in India...And somehow ARR continued the trend throughout the 90s..maybe now he's expereimenting with the real onesSince the listerners have got used to the computer simulated sound over the years...they could not pick up the new trend which ARR is experimenting with - Live real instruments SOmehow they fall short on the listener's ears... --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "up84mouli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Fanz, > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let us > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable in > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more and > more live instrumentations and stuff. > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > sounds different I guess... > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song to > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > well defined solos and all that... > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others in > that time period. > > Disclaimer: > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > Thanks for reading. > Chandra. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" wrote: > > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > > or AHH AHH > > > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in > > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > > > Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
I remember ARR saying in an interview that the recording and such matters are also infleunced by the recording people or related entities. ARR said his soundtrack for Khabi na Khabi 1997 was a blunder on the part of the recording people, the technical team who handles "sound matters" of the movie...Cant remember fully what the matter was but just that it has something to do with the sound quality. Originally the movie was made to be released in mono it seems and ARR was unhappy that the filmakers didnt tell him earlier or else he wouldnt have wasted too much effort in recording the songs in stereo --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "up84mouli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Fanz, > > This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an > extent...at least for casual listeners. > > I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let us > assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The > reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable in > India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also > explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. > > He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more and > more live instrumentations and stuff. > > So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it > sounds different I guess... > > If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song to > have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, > well defined solos and all that... > > But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont > know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the > "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. > > The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this > has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others in > that time period. > > Disclaimer: > This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the > Recording works. I have just written my observations... > > Thanks for reading. > Chandra. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" wrote: > > > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > > or AHH AHH > > > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in > > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > > > Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Basically one major reason is because pyramid doesnt release cds anymore.They would do 24 bit processing and had high quality.Ayn quality is pretty crappy compared to pyramid. Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Glad that I am not the only one observing this. For a minute I thought I probably was high smoking something...Here is a partially conclusive thread following the release of Aah Aah, coincidentally started by StyleGamer :) http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/59148Bottomline is recent mixes sound too "muddy" irrespective of the monitors I have used for hearing the CD's. I will post my observations on GF once I get hold of the CD and do some hearing and spectral analysis. For the curious minds, I have few commercial and hand written tools which would go through audio data and plot frequency spectrogram, there by giving us an idea of how different elements in a mix fight with each other for attention. It can be used to fine tune final mixes. Even with these gizmos my mixes sometimes sound crappy, oh well, that is where talent comes in, I guess... In case of Aah Aah and MP, there was so much activity going on the mid frequencies which was not the case with say "Dil Se" or my favorite "Thiruda Thiruda". I cannot say whether it is right or wrong, but it sure does sound different. My theory is that it is directly/indirectly related to the new Neve console being used. Pros can voice in their opinion.-- :: Bharathhttp://singingphotons.net On 2/25/06, up84mouli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Fanz, This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to anextent...at least for casual listeners.I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let usassume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable inIndia, which explains why others didn't even think of it and alsoexplains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more andmore live instrumentations and stuff.So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) itsounds different I guess... If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song tohave more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation,well defined solos and all that...But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the"punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans.The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others inthat time period.Disclaimer:This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how theRecording works. I have just written my observations... Thanks for reading.Chandra.--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened,> thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better?>> Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > or AHH AHH>> As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in> the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back.> Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic.Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community.Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.comAdmin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Christian music artists Country music artists New music artists New country music artists Music artists Unsigned music artist YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "arrahmanfans" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[arr] Re: Anyone feel GF quality of audio CD seems lacking?
Hi Fanz, This (Issues regarding Quality of CDs) seems to be true to an extent...at least for casual listeners. I have a viewpoint for this. My understanding is that ARR used (let us assume) a 40 : 60% ratio of Live : Simulated instrumentation. The reason is that either the instruments were costly or unavailable in India, which explains why others didn't even think of it and also explains why Rahman sounded "generationally" different than others. He gradually turned the ratio on its head and now is using more and more live instrumentations and stuff. So, the ambience may be different. For normal users (like me) it sounds different I guess... If you take albums like AP or , you will find any given song to have more focus, sharper beats, less diffusion in instrumentation, well defined solos and all that... But listen to something like Boys, you will see some diffusion (I dont know how it is on high-end stereos and 4+ speaker setups) and the "punchy" sounds will not be as good as (say) Kadhalan or Jeans. The best comparisons would be with Zubeidaa (I feel the "sound" this has is like Unparalleled) and many others Dil Se, and many others in that time period. Disclaimer: This is just my view. I dont know anything about Music or how the Recording works. I have just written my observations... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed with recent ARR releases after KKS and E20U18...ARR CDs like > Water, GF and AAH AHH have some quality issues...What happened, > thought Technology now in the 2000s are supposed to be better? > > Frankl speaking some of early 90s ARR CDs have better quality than GF > or AHH AHH > > As for GF, the audio doesnt seem to "jump out" like PAst ARR songs in > the 90sI think ARR better start using his old equiment back. > Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
