[arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
-in Pappu the beats the song starts with somehow give the feel that it is not a regular Pritam, VS or whoever song as they are different from those in these composers' songs. then as soon as the chorus/chant (tintin ta na tintin ta na na, whatever) starts it becomes evident that it is ARR. it is typical ARR style of chant. -Hawa is pure ARR this I can guess right one second into the song as soon as the beats start. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused because my 16 years of ARR experience is has deserted me. The problem is: I am not able to find Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu Can't Dance of JTJYN and Hawa, sun Hawa of Ada. Pappu got hit like anything and it feels great that our man did a Muqqala or a hello doctor again. Hawa, sun hawa is so calm and cool, so soothing, subtle like Water songs, it is a pleasure to listen to it. In rest of the songs of these two albums, I could find the telltale ARR effect, but not in these two songs. I feel that these songs could have been as well composed by anyone else. No, not copy, no inspiration, no nothing. Just a genre, a level, just that others have given songs of that type in the past. If I am still not clear, you listen to first 1 second of Tu Hi Rey, and you can tell it it ARR's. No, not memory, but the effect, the sound, the level. Nobody but ARR could have created it. Nobody could in last 10 years, even with inspiration from ARR. I have listened these two songs many times, still, I could not identify that ARR effect in these two. Could anyone help me here. Which part of Pappu and Hawa hold the telltale Signature that ARR is known for and that no one else could create so far? -- V
[arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
Rawat am with you on this, but not just this, of late in atleast 1 or 2 songs in each album where i think it sounds like a half-hearted composition. Like you I adore arr for his very diff style in presenting a simple song. But I hate to disappoint, except for the brief intro bit where he sets the temp for Pappu cant dance, the rest is a regular ordinary song. probably Aamir wanted an ordinary song to exemplify the lyrics. Papu is a hit more coz of the lyrics and its indirect take on Salman Khan. I havent hear the Hawa song, atleast I doesnt have a recall value. Probably there are still lots of members in this group yearning for the vintage ARR. But they wont speak out as they fear being bashed by the rest. Am glad am not alone in missing the magic from ARR. Lately its either the lyricists who are letting him down or at times its himself. ARR needs to be inspired to come up with something out of the ordinary.. That is not being done by the new breed of directors, so every now and then we have to wait for Ashutosh, Aamir, Mani or Shankar to get the best. Am sure Ghajini will be good as AAmir will save the best for himself. we will wait.. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused because my 16 years of ARR experience is has deserted me. The problem is: I am not able to find Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu Can't Dance of JTJYN and Hawa, sun Hawa of Ada. Pappu got hit like anything and it feels great that our man did a Muqqala or a hello doctor again. Hawa, sun hawa is so calm and cool, so soothing, subtle like Water songs, it is a pleasure to listen to it. In rest of the songs of these two albums, I could find the telltale ARR effect, but not in these two songs. I feel that these songs could have been as well composed by anyone else. No, not copy, no inspiration, no nothing. Just a genre, a level, just that others have given songs of that type in the past. If I am still not clear, you listen to first 1 second of Tu Hi Rey, and you can tell it it ARR's. No, not memory, but the effect, the sound, the level. Nobody but ARR could have created it. Nobody could in last 10 years, even with inspiration from ARR. I have listened these two songs many times, still, I could not identify that ARR effect in these two. Could anyone help me here. Which part of Pappu and Hawa hold the telltale Signature that ARR is known for and that no one else could create so far? -- V
Re: [arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
On 7/22/2008 10:35 PM India Time, _badrie_ wrote: Rawat am with you on this, but not just this, of late in atleast 1 or 2 songs in each album where i think it sounds like a half-hearted composition. No, no, not exacty half-heardted. The song is indeed good. Only that ARR seems to have consciously left out his stamp from this song. And ARR signature is missing will be noticed by fans like you. Actually, I eventually saw JTJYN today. Irrespective of all halla gulla about Pappu, as an ARR fan, I couldn't prevent myself from noticing that this song is not ARR-stamped. It was an ordinary type of song dozens of which are doing round composed by several MDs. No copy, all different. And several good in their own accord, but still, the bottom line is that they are not at ARR's level. And Pappu is not at ARR's level. The screen didn't come alive when this song started like the screen had come alive when muqqala used to start. The cinema hall didn't become a discotheque like it did as Hello Doctor progressed. Still, people liked it and tapped their feet with it and hummed it. That is great satisfaction. -- I thought it over and found that the issue has not at all been discussed in this group. So I decided to create this thread to make the point reach home that - ARR's signature are missing has been noticed. - Lack of signatures got new fans for ARR. You might not realize but there are people who just don't listen to ARR's song for some reason. They couldn't identify that this song is ARR's, so listened to it and started liking it, and when they came to know that it is ARR's, it was too late to back out. ARR can now continue leaving out his signatures from some songs. :-) as an effective marketing strategy. Like you I adore arr for his very diff style in presenting a simple song. But I hate to disappoint, except for the brief intro bit where he sets the temp for Pappu cant dance, the rest is a regular ordinary song. probably Aamir wanted an ordinary song to exemplify the lyrics. Papu is a hit more coz of the lyrics and its indirect take on Salman Khan. Oh God. It is first time I came to know thru you that this song could be a dig on Salman. Hmm. I should have guessed that. Nice catch. I havent hear the Hawa song, atleast I doesnt have a recall value. Why? don't you have Ada? or this song? not available in your area? If you want that, I would send you that. Drop me a direct mail. It is a gem nonetheless. a pleasure to listen to. Probably there are still lots of members in this group yearning for the vintage ARR. But they wont speak out as they fear being bashed by the rest. yeah, that casualty is always there in fans groups, but I know that there are people here also that would still speak the truth without worrying about backlash from fanatics. Am glad am not alone in missing the magic from ARR. Lately its either the lyricists who are letting him down or at times its himself. ARR needs to be inspired to come up with something out of the ordinary.. That is not being done by the new breed of directors, so every now and then we have to wait for Ashutosh, Aamir, Mani or Shankar to get the best. Am sure Ghajini will be good as AAmir will save the best for himself. :-) You forgot the Mangal Pandey mess? Keep your fingers crossed. All these Aamir and all others are self-absorbed Narcissus and they wouldn't care for ARR or anybody when it really matters. Even Mani dropped Thayya Thayya. Even Aamir chopped songs and deleted songs in JTJYN itself. It all depends on what suits themselves at a particular time. btw, did anybody notice that new launches of starsons and stardaughters have mostly gone to Anu Malik. But still, Aamir took ARR for this launch of Imran and ARR lived up to that also. That is a good step. I foresee more new launches having ARR's music nowonwards. we will wait.. -- V
Re: [arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
Yes, I do agree with Pappu cant dance.. Right from the beginning I was not into it fully.. My roomies here who are not Rahman fans are crazy about this song and they listen to it almost daily with full volume.. I used to every now and then wonder how this song became a rage in bollywood.. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/2008 10:35 PM India Time, _badrie_ wrote: Rawat am with you on this, but not just this, of late in atleast 1 or 2 songs in each album where i think it sounds like a half-hearted composition. No, no, not exacty half-heardted. The song is indeed good. Only that ARR seems to have consciously left out his stamp from this song. And ARR signature is missing will be noticed by fans like you. Actually, I eventually saw JTJYN today. Irrespective of all halla gulla about Pappu, as an ARR fan, I couldn't prevent myself from noticing that this song is not ARR-stamped. It was an ordinary type of song dozens of which are doing round composed by several MDs. No copy, all different. And several good in their own accord, but still, the bottom line is that they are not at ARR's level. And Pappu is not at ARR's level. The screen didn't come alive when this song started like the screen had come alive when muqqala used to start. The cinema hall didn't become a discotheque like it did as Hello Doctor progressed. Still, people liked it and tapped their feet with it and hummed it. That is great satisfaction. -- I thought it over and found that the issue has not at all been discussed in this group. So I decided to create this thread to make the point reach home that - ARR's signature are missing has been noticed. - Lack of signatures got new fans for ARR. You might not realize but there are people who just don't listen to ARR's song for some reason. They couldn't identify that this song is ARR's, so listened to it and started liking it, and when they came to know that it is ARR's, it was too late to back out. ARR can now continue leaving out his signatures from some songs. :-) as an effective marketing strategy. Like you I adore arr for his very diff style in presenting a simple song. But I hate to disappoint, except for the brief intro bit where he sets the temp for Pappu cant dance, the rest is a regular ordinary song. probably Aamir wanted an ordinary song to exemplify the lyrics. Papu is a hit more coz of the lyrics and its indirect take on Salman Khan. Oh God. It is first time I came to know thru you that this song could be a dig on Salman. Hmm. I should have guessed that. Nice catch. I havent hear the Hawa song, atleast I doesnt have a recall value. Why? don't you have Ada? or this song? not available in your area? If you want that, I would send you that. Drop me a direct mail. It is a gem nonetheless. a pleasure to listen to. Probably there are still lots of members in this group yearning for the vintage ARR. But they wont speak out as they fear being bashed by the rest. yeah, that casualty is always there in fans groups, but I know that there are people here also that would still speak the truth without worrying about backlash from fanatics. Am glad am not alone in missing the magic from ARR. Lately its either the lyricists who are letting him down or at times its himself. ARR needs to be inspired to come up with something out of the ordinary.. That is not being done by the new breed of directors, so every now and then we have to wait for Ashutosh, Aamir, Mani or Shankar to get the best. Am sure Ghajini will be good as AAmir will save the best for himself. :-) You forgot the Mangal Pandey mess? Keep your fingers crossed. All these Aamir and all others are self-absorbed Narcissus and they wouldn't care for ARR or anybody when it really matters. Even Mani dropped Thayya Thayya. Even Aamir chopped songs and deleted songs in JTJYN itself. It all depends on what suits themselves at a particular time. btw, did anybody notice that new launches of starsons and stardaughters have mostly gone to Anu Malik. But still, Aamir took ARR for this launch of Imran and ARR lived up to that also. That is a good step. I foresee more new launches having ARR's music nowonwards. we will wait.. -- V
Re: [arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
Oh God. It is first time I came to know thru you that this song could be a dig on Salman. Hmm. I should have guessed that. Nice catch. It was a big controversy with the news being splashed all around. Aamir even clarified that it is not a dig at Salman as Salman can dance very well :-) You forgot the Mangal Pandey mess? I thought Main Vari Vari and Takey Takey were classics. The title song versions were decent. Keep your fingers crossed. All these Aamir and all others are self-absorbed Narcissus and they wouldn't care for ARR or anybody when it really matters. Even Mani dropped Thayya Thayya. Even Aamir chopped songs and deleted songs in JTJYN itself. It all depends on what suits themselves at a particular time. True, the film's interest has to be paramount. btw, did anybody notice that new launches of starsons and stardaughters have mostly gone to Anu Malik. But still, Aamir took ARR for this launch of Imran and ARR lived up to that also. That is a good step. I foresee more new launches having ARR's music nowonwards. No comments on Anu but quality lasts. :) Warm Regards ~~~ Vinayak http://theregoesanotherday.blogspot.com/ Main chupana jaanta toh jag mujhe sadhu samajhta, Shatru ban gaya hai chal rahit vyahvar mera Harivanshrai Bacchan -
Re: [arr] Re: Where is Rahman's SIGNATURE in Pappu and Hawa songs?
On 7/23/2008 3:26 AM India Time, _Vinayakam Murugan_ wrote: Oh God. It is first time I came to know thru you that this song could be a dig on Salman. Hmm. I should have guessed that. Nice catch. It was a big controversy with the news being splashed all around. Aamir even clarified that it is not a dig at Salman as Salman can dance very well :-) politically correct. :-) You forgot the Mangal Pandey mess? I thought Main Vari Vari and Takey Takey were classics. The title song versions were decent. music was good but how the film butchered the songs. I particular miss Rasiya. What a lovely Purabiya lyrics. dil dhadka kya koi danka baanjega. one of the better ones of Javed. And they sliced it half. Keep your fingers crossed. All these Aamir and all others are self-absorbed Narcissus and they wouldn't care for ARR or anybody when it really matters. Even Mani dropped Thayya Thayya. Even Aamir chopped songs and deleted songs in JTJYN itself. It all depends on what suits themselves at a particular time. True, the film's interest has to be paramount. In JTJYN, I think that dance song (Kahin To???) with Sushant kissing Aditi, and Jay staring getting uncomfortable was sliced, but I think it would have a better impact if it had been full. That build up of Imran's emotions on seeing Aditi dancing with someone else so intimately would have been very effective. With the sliced songs, the discomfort or anger of Imran came so suddenly as a surprised. And, the newly added Jaane tu mera kya hai, is shabbily shot, so much that even lip sync is missing between song and actress at places (though the other effects were good). I mean they mess up films in several ways, and they do it under the heading of interest of the film. :-) btw, did anybody notice that new launches of starsons and stardaughters have mostly gone to Anu Malik. But still, Aamir took ARR for this launch of Imran and ARR lived up to that also. That is a good step. I foresee more new launches having ARR's music nowonwards. No comments on Anu but quality lasts. :) I don't know but I guess that ARR's signature putting off some people might have been major irritant for the newbie's dad who didn't want to take any risk for his son's and daughter's first film, so he went for a more safer Anu who didn't have any signature Now, that ARR has gone hit with and without his signature in JTJYN, he would be a better choice for newbies' dads. Anu's music - howsoever hit it might become, doesn't get respect and doesn't last. Warm Regards ~~~ Vinayak -- V
