Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
HI try www.singingphotons.net/arrbgm On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:19 AM, showket [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi friends, Hope all of u r fine... I need the BGM of Guru The Legend of Bhaghat Singh. Can anyone provide me some link 4 download??? Please guys help me... Thanks showket --- KrishnA [EMAIL PROTECTED] crishna3%40gmail.com wrote: Hi all As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a list, but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are requested to update it for further purpose. Thanks Krishna. On 2/19/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] kaissiom%40yahoo.com wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right * (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I
Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
Hi friends, Hope all of u r fine... I need the BGM of Guru The Legend of Bhaghat Singh. Can anyone provide me some link 4 download??? Please guys help me... Thanks showket --- KrishnA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a list, but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are requested to update it for further purpose. Thanks Krishna. On 2/19/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right * (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have
Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
Dil ne Jise Apna Kaha and Lakeer Background scores are not by ARR. On 2/29/08, KrishnA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a list, but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are requested to update it for further purpose. Thanks Krishna. On 2/19/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to * Right* (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) * How can one extract voiceless BGMs?* *-[Software]*- Easiest way
Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
is it possible for us to convey to ARR about our interest in listening to VoiceLess BGM's ? He might do the recording in such a way so that its possible to Rip it voiceless. Of course, in Hollywood, OST gets released as separate CD's .. that might never happen in India.. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Gomzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dil ne Jise Apna Kaha and Lakeer Background scores are not by ARR. On 2/29/08, KrishnA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a list, but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are requested to update it for further purpose. Thanks Krishna. On 2/19/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to * Right* (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required
Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
I am damn sure ARR knows well that we as far as anyone loves his BGMs. But asking him or requesting him to do something convenient for us little too much... ( I feel ) Let us take this effort in extracting BGMs, . When we put efforts and enjoy... its more of a happinesss we will do it ... On 2/29/08, Pradeepan R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible for us to convey to ARR about our interest in listening to VoiceLess BGM's ? He might do the recording in such a way so that its possible to Rip it voiceless. Of course, in Hollywood, OST gets released as separate CD's .. that might never happen in India.. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Gomzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dil ne Jise Apna Kaha and Lakeer Background scores are not by ARR. On 2/29/08, KrishnA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a list, but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are requested to update it for further purpose. Thanks Krishna. On 2/19/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right* (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How
Re: [arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
Thanks for the compliments Vithur, but your work is no less commendable than mine. Your contribution to the BGM count is greatly appreciated. Hope to see some voiceless BGMs from you soon. Regards, Wasim. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vithur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kaissiom Bhai Thanks for the excellent write up. I will archive your mail for my guidance always. Your collection of BGMs are the best , and no second thoughts on that. I will strive to come somewhere close to you.. On 2/20/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right * (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to
[arr] Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion L refers to Left and R refers to Right (speakers) Mono: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both. [Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono. Stereo: Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound [Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel. Stereo Surround: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience. [Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category. There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono DVD: Surround, Stereo and Mono How does this relate to voiceless BGMs? Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. How are BGMs recorded on DVDs? I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): L/R Front speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score CENTER speaker: Only voices L/R Rear speakers: Only background score You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. How to extract voiceless BGMs? Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs? Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) How can one extract voiceless BGMs? -[Software]- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as separate channels. Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the channel with BGM, discard the rest. -[Hardware]- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires from the surround sound system and record it from the amplifier - this is how I do it. It takes me about 5 to 6 hours to do a movie because I perform additional editing using software to enhance the quality. I use hardware(amplifier/soundcard) to extract the audio and then use software(SoundForge) to enhance it. Are there any caveats? As with everything... Yes. -[Source] The movie has to be recorded in surround sound.
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Dear Kaissiom Bhai Thanks for the excellent write up. I will archive your mail for my guidance always. Your collection of BGMs are the best , and no second thoughts on that. I will strive to come somewhere close to you.. On 2/20/08, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right * (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) * How can one extract voiceless BGMs?* *-[Software]*- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as separate channels. Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the channel with BGM, discard the rest. *-[Hardware]*- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires from the
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knowledge showcased! brilliant!! appreaciate ur effort to share this to us Wasim! On Feb 19, 2008 7:49 PM, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to *Right * (speakers) *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel.* *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience.* *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. * How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score *CENTER* speaker: Only voices *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) * How can one extract voiceless BGMs?* *-[Software]*- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as separate channels. Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the channel with BGM, discard the rest. *-[Hardware]*- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires from the surround sound system and record it from the amplifier - this is how I do it. It takes me about 5 to 6 hours to do a movie
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GREAT STUFF! thanks alot but those who use software can u guys pls tell us wat softwares u use? Thulasi Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: knowledge showcased! brilliant!! appreaciate ur effort to share this to us Wasim! On Feb 19, 2008 7:49 PM, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voiceless BGMs - Explained! I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping voiceless BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this area who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following article is my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am wrong. First, some definitions: * For the sake of discussion L refers to Left and R refers to Right (speakers) Mono: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both reproduce one sound) L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both. [Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was recorded in stereo, but released in Mono. Stereo: Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound [Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has variations in Left and Right channel. Stereo Surround: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; Dolby-Digital,dts) L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) = Surround Sound experience. [Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category. There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not surround: Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono CD: Stereo and Mono VCD: Stereo and Mono DVD: Surround, Stereo and Mono How does this relate to voiceless BGMs? Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean regular DVD movies. How are BGMs recorded on DVDs? I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to record different sounds for different channels. For example they may record actors' voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): L/R Front speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and background score CENTER speaker: Only voices L/R Rear speakers: Only background score You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different channels. How to extract voiceless BGMs? Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs? Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying to explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my computer on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on my computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some wires.. I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch these wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) How can one extract voiceless BGMs? -[Software]- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as separate channels. Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the channel with BGM, discard the rest. -[Hardware]- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires from the
