Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
Hi guys... Much of the listings may be true, but there is a point to be noted: When other MDs copy a song or a part of it, *some* ARR fans say blatant lift, copycat and all that whereas Rahman's little-little copies are termed as: inspiration, resemblance, self-accepted inspiration, raga similarity, time pressure, producer/director/actor recommendation etc. Some people have come up with this: there are only 7 ragas and some resemblences cannot be avoided, so thats NOT copying and all that... Is it not possible that the *copiers* faced none of the problems. It might not be known to the outside world, but why do you discount the possibility?? A good musician gets good films, good respect from the singers and those who do business with them and his/her own personality. We should try to take all those into account and pass neutral comments. That way R D Burman, S D Burman, SEL etc. may not be that bad. Even Mozart *lifted* a tune which was played in a Church and which was kept secret so that no one else (other than those who come there) experiences its devine bliss. But because Mozart *did* copy it and distributed the notes, many people were able to enjoy it. Was he right or wrong?? What would you say for Rahman's version of O saathi Re, tere bina bhi kya jeena which was O Bhaavray...dekho in deewaanonko If you know tamil very well, sing this: thanga padakkathin mele (MSV's number for MGR film), which became one of Rahman's hits: Enna viai azhagay. Any non-arr-fan would say: wow. good xerox technology! There are some more examples of this kind of ___ (you can name it), but one thing is for sure... Rahman definitely is blessed with some kind of devine grace. Just like many people say Sachin was *born to just play cricket*, many more people will say Rahman was *born just 4 music*. Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, krishna prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Kudos 2 ur wonderful inferences n examples of the RIPPING syndrome prevalent in the so called home 2 Indian cinema Bollywood.Don't ever coin the tag COPYING with ARR.He is the ONLY genuine MD India has ever produced. Even the so called LEGENDS of music like RD Burman SD Burman don't deserve that status as seen from the type of rehashings they hav done 2 attain that position. Finally time and again any dicussion that crops up on such subjects ultimately prove that ARR is knots above the so called legends of Indian cinema. Realise the Utilmate TruthRealise A.R.Rahman Bye Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iuUuID/dnQLAA/n1hLAA/iyUplB/TM ~- Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
Thanks for that interesting info, Aravind. These days I am very jealous over all copycat hindi composers. They are getting fame for copying. If u surf tv channels you'll see Dhoom, Dus, Kaal, Murder songs being played repeatedly. They are just remixes of copied international tunes. Where as our boss's original work in Swades,Bose, Meenaxi was ignored. (Even for Film awards). I wish ARR should return to mainstream Commercial cinema and bringback the vintage era. Thank and regards... Avin --- Aravind a.m. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, These issues have been clarified so many times in the group... Well, here is the explanation.. AGAIN These are *NOT*cases of copying.Its more about sound sampling/ use of loops. These arecommercially available pieces and are used by musicians worldwide.There are CDs sold worldwide, containing loops and samples... These arespecifically meant for use by Music Directors. So, using these will notamount to copying... Lets, for example, take Telephone Manipol and Ace of Base.. Both ofthem have used the same loops and have *not* copied each other!!! Thereare loads and loads of examples like this - Mangta hai, Raga Dance, PooPookkum Osai etc. are such examples. In fact, someone had already posted a mp3 file containing all such loops and samples used by ARR.. Hope this clarifies all the issues.. Aravind --- Prashanth Isaac wrote: The fact that the interlude of Ayiyaeeyo(Rangeela) is already there in BONEYM is a news to me. Can somebody please post the song, I would like to hear that. Also I have heard the rhythm of Poo Pookum Osai/Awara Bhavre (Minsara Kanavu/Sapnay) ditto the same in an english song. But couldn't recall what song it was Does anyone know what that english song is? Everybody would know that the rhythm of Telephone Manipol/Telephone Dhun me (Indian/Hindustani) is already there in Ace of Base. But the way Rahman uses the rhythm is awesome..so we cannot complain that he has copied..so well it blends with an entirely new melody. Hoping to hear the BoneyM Song soon. Cheers, Prashanth --- @vinash wrote: Last Saturday I was watching the movie hackers on Star movies. There was a background music which was played throghout the movie several times. What surprising is, it is same piece in ARR's Ayaiyyo (Rangeela) song's Second interlude. And surprise, both movies were released in 1995 (Source;IMDB). It may be a coincidence. And another thing i think nobody knows here, Ayaiyo song's loop and style was copied from Boney M's Going back west. Anybody can confirm this. thanks and regards... Avin - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iuUuID/dnQLAA/n1hLAA/iyUplB/TM ~- Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
hi, Kudos 2 ur wonderful inferences n examples of the RIPPING syndrome prevalent in the so called home 2 Indian cinema Bollywood.Don't ever coin the tag COPYING with ARR.He is the ONLY genuine MD India has ever produced. Even the so called LEGENDS of music like RD Burman SD Burman don't deserve that status as seen from the type of rehashings they hav done 2 attain that position. Finally time and again any dicussion that crops up on such subjects ultimately prove that ARR is knots above the so called legends of Indian cinema. Realise the Utilmate TruthRealise A.R.Rahman Bye Anujit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,lets put to rest to all these speculations.i am pasting a document from the following link(chk it for your reference):http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=090905092530it's a very intersting one and an eye opener for all of us.one thing i am sure u won't be able to do is to figure out our boss's name in this article.Hats off to the "God of Music" and that in a span of 13 years everything he composed was original or nearly original with inspirations taken and his style being integrated. Make sure u read the following article.. happy reading and this makes me a proud ARR fan..Music it's the basis of a unique reputation that Indian films have. Musicals are what the west likes to call our films. We're accustomed to seeing new audio releases every third day in India. With so much music being produced, wouldn't there be a high chance of repetition? It's safe to say that the music scene is flying high with some great tunes in the recent past. We've heard Shantanu Moitra's dazzling score in Parineeta. We heard Himesh Reshammiya lend his voice in his top-selling album, Aashiq Banaya Aapne. And we've heard Pritam re-energize our souls with the flashy soundtrack of Chocolate. Yeah, we got a lot to be proud of. What if I told you that TWO songs from EACH of those three albums were stolen? Not so proud anymore eh? It's true. Shantanu Moitra, a man who has seemed to captivate music lovers this year with Parineeta has stolen two of the seven tracks. Kaisi Paheli Zindagani was lifted straight from Louis Armstrong's 1951 track "A Kiss To Build A Dream On." And a line from Soona Mann Ka Aangan was plagiarized straight from Tagore's "Phoole Phoole." Himesh Reshammiya's hit soundtrack Aashiq Banaya Aapne has two lifts in it also: 1) Dillagi, which is taken straight from Pakistani pop singer Ali Zafar's "Rangeen," from his 2003 album "Huqa Pani." 2) Marjaawan is a blatant lift from Fakhir's "Marjaawan" from his 2002 album "Aatish." Oh yeah, Gela Gela (Aitraaz) was copied note for note from R. Kelly's Thoia Thoing from his 2003 album "Chocolate Factory." What's sad is the fact that our composers go on and on about cleansing our industry of plagiarism. Yet, they seem to have no problem taking tunes from right across the border! And as you will come to find out, Reshammiya isn't the only culprit in this hideous case. Pritam is known as the King of Dhoom. Well, he stole a track in there also, Shikdum. Personally my favorite piece, I was disgusted when I found out that he took it directly from from Turkish singer Tarkan's "Sikidum." And when asked about the word Shikdum, Sameer and Pritam never once stated the original piece. Where's the justice? In the just recently released Chocolate, yet another hot selling album, Pritam steals Zahreeli Raatein and Bheega Bheega. The former lifted from Pakistani pop band Jal's "Aadat." The latter is lifted word for word from Abrar Ul Haq's "December." As is the case throughout Filmi Music's infamous history, most of the tracks that stand out as classics in the mind's of music lovers are the ones that are plagiarized. You start to question the talent and competence of some of these composers respect is soon lost. To add insult to injury, the originals (especially the Pakistani originals) are far better than there uncredited Hindi versions.Only a fraction of "inspired" tracks are legitimate ones. Recently, Dharma productions paid a hefty sum for the rights to recompose Pretty Woman in 2003's Kal Ho Naa Ho. If others do have the common sense to credit the originals, they'll simply put a name beneath the song. What's in a name? Proper acknowledgment and citations include the name of the original composer, the title of the track, the year it was composed, and to what album it belonged. A name. Ha!Just recently, there was a popular soundtrack that released with all sorts of speculation and controversy. Zeher was the name of the film. Apparently none of the songs belonged to the composers of the album (mainly Anu Malik, who is one of the kings of plagiarism). I guess that's why there's no surprise as to why the score was a success. Anyways, the original score was credited to Roop Kumar Rathod. Is that so? It turns out that two of the popular tracks, Agar Tum Mil Jao and Woh Lamhe belonged to, guess who .Pakistan. I think it was just a way for the Bhatts and Anu
Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
Hi, These issues have been clarified so many times in the group... Well, here is the explanation.. AGAIN These are *NOT* cases of copying.Its more about sound sampling/ use of loops. These are commercially available pieces and are used by musicians worldwide. There are CDs sold worldwide, containing loops and samples... These are specifically meant for use by Music Directors. So, using these will not amount to copying... Lets, for example, take "Telephone Manipol" and "Ace of Base".. Both of them have used the same loops and have *not* copied each other!!! There are loads and loads of examples like this - Mangta hai, Raga Dance, Poo Pookkum Osai etc. are such examples. In fact, someone had already posted a mp3 file containing all such loops and samples used by ARR.. Hope this clarifies all the issues.. Aravind --- Prashanth Isaac wrote: The fact that the interlude of Ayiyaeeyo(Rangeela) is already there in BONEYM is a news to me. Can somebody please post the song, I would like to hear that. Also I have heard the rhythm of Poo Pookum Osai/Awara Bhavre (Minsara Kanavu/Sapnay) ditto the same in an english song. But couldn't recall what song it was Does anyone know what that english song is? Everybody would know that the rhythm of Telephone Manipol/Telephone Dhun me (Indian/Hindustani) is already there in Ace of Base. But the way Rahman uses the rhythm is awesome..so we cannot complain that he has copied..so well it blends with an entirely new melody. Hoping to hear the BoneyM Song soon. Cheers, Prashanth --- "@vinash" wrote: Last Saturday I was watching the movie "hackers" on Star movies. There was a background music which was played throghout the movie several times. What surprising is, it is same piece in ARR's Ayaiyyo (Rangeela) song's Second interlude. And surprise, both movies were released in 1995 (Source;IMDB). It may be a coincidence. And another thing i think nobody knows here, Ayaiyo song's loop and style was copied from Boney M's "Going back west". Anybody can confirm this. thanks and regards... Avin - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "arrahmanfans" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
Hey Aravind, Thanks for the info...since I am relatively new to the group...SORRY that I did not know about this info. I understand that its NOT copying. Cheers, Prashanth --- Aravind a.m. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, These issues have been clarified so many times in the group... Well, here is the explanation.. AGAIN These are *NOT*cases of copying.Its more about sound sampling/ use of loops. These arecommercially available pieces and are used by musicians worldwide.There are CDs sold worldwide, containing loops and samples... These arespecifically meant for use by Music Directors. So, using these will notamount to copying... Lets, for example, take Telephone Manipol and Ace of Base.. Both ofthem have used the same loops and have *not* copied each other!!! Thereare loads and loads of examples like this - Mangta hai, Raga Dance, PooPookkum Osai etc. are such examples. In fact, someone had already posted a mp3 file containing all such loops and samples used by ARR.. Hope this clarifies all the issues.. Aravind --- Prashanth Isaac wrote: The fact that the interlude of Ayiyaeeyo(Rangeela) is already there in BONEYM is a news to me. Can somebody please post the song, I would like to hear that. Also I have heard the rhythm of Poo Pookum Osai/Awara Bhavre (Minsara Kanavu/Sapnay) ditto the same in an english song. But couldn't recall what song it was Does anyone know what that english song is? Everybody would know that the rhythm of Telephone Manipol/Telephone Dhun me (Indian/Hindustani) is already there in Ace of Base. But the way Rahman uses the rhythm is awesome..so we cannot complain that he has copied..so well it blends with an entirely new melody. Hoping to hear the BoneyM Song soon. Cheers, Prashanth --- @vinash wrote: Last Saturday I was watching the movie hackers on Star movies. There was a background music which was played throghout the movie several times. What surprising is, it is same piece in ARR's Ayaiyyo (Rangeela) song's Second interlude. And surprise, both movies were released in 1995 (Source;IMDB). It may be a coincidence. And another thing i think nobody knows here, Ayaiyo song's loop and style was copied from Boney M's Going back west. Anybody can confirm this. thanks and regards... Avin - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iuUuID/dnQLAA/n1hLAA/iyUplB/TM ~- Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [arr] ayaiyo song...
Hi all, lets put to rest to all these speculations.i am pasting a document from the following link(chk it for your reference): http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=090905092530 it's a very intersting one and an eye opener for all of us.one thing i am sure u won't be able to do is to figure out our boss's name in this article. Hats off to the God of Music and that in a span of 13 years everything he composed was original or nearly original with inspirations taken and his style being integrated. Make sure u read the following article.. happy reading and this makes me a proud ARR fan.. Music it's the basis of a unique reputation that Indian films have. Musicals are what the west likes to call our films. We're accustomed to seeing new audio releases every third day in India. With so much music being produced, wouldn't there be a high chance of repetition? It's safe to say that the music scene is flying high with some great tunes in the recent past. We've heard Shantanu Moitra's dazzling score in Parineeta. We heard Himesh Reshammiya lend his voice in his top-selling album, Aashiq Banaya Aapne. And we've heard Pritam re- energize our souls with the flashy soundtrack of Chocolate. Yeah, we got a lot to be proud of. What if I told you that TWO songs from EACH of those three albums were stolen? Not so proud anymore eh? It's true. Shantanu Moitra, a man who has seemed to captivate music lovers this year with Parineeta has stolen two of the seven tracks. Kaisi Paheli Zindagani was lifted straight from Louis Armstrong's 1951 track A Kiss To Build A Dream On. And a line from Soona Mann Ka Aangan was plagiarized straight from Tagore's Phoole Phoole. Himesh Reshammiya's hit soundtrack Aashiq Banaya Aapne has two lifts in it also: 1) Dillagi, which is taken straight from Pakistani pop singer Ali Zafar's Rangeen, from his 2003 album Huqa Pani. 2) Marjaawan is a blatant lift from Fakhir's Marjaawan from his 2002 album Aatish. Oh yeah, Gela Gela (Aitraaz) was copied note for note from R. Kelly's Thoia Thoing from his 2003 album Chocolate Factory. What's sad is the fact that our composers go on and on about cleansing our industry of plagiarism. Yet, they seem to have no problem taking tunes from right across the border! And as you will come to find out, Reshammiya isn't the only culprit in this hideous case. Pritam is known as the King of Dhoom. Well, he stole a track in there also, Shikdum. Personally my favorite piece, I was disgusted when I found out that he took it directly from from Turkish singer Tarkan's Sikidum. And when asked about the word Shikdum, Sameer and Pritam never once stated the original piece. Where's the justice? In the just recently released Chocolate, yet another hot selling album, Pritam steals Zahreeli Raatein and Bheega Bheega. The former lifted from Pakistani pop band Jal's Aadat. The latter is lifted word for word from Abrar Ul Haq's December. As is the case throughout Filmi Music's infamous history, most of the tracks that stand out as classics in the mind's of music lovers are the ones that are plagiarized. You start to question the talent and competence of some of these composers respect is soon lost. To add insult to injury, the originals (especially the Pakistani originals) are far better than there uncredited Hindi versions. Only a fraction of inspired tracks are legitimate ones. Recently, Dharma productions paid a hefty sum for the rights to recompose Pretty Woman in 2003's Kal Ho Naa Ho. If others do have the common sense to credit the originals, they'll simply put a name beneath the song. What's in a name? Proper acknowledgment and citations include the name of the original composer, the title of the track, the year it was composed, and to what album it belonged. A name. Ha! Just recently, there was a popular soundtrack that released with all sorts of speculation and controversy. Zeher was the name of the film. Apparently none of the songs belonged to the composers of the album (mainly Anu Malik, who is one of the kings of plagiarism). I guess that's why there's no surprise as to why the score was a success. Anyways, the original score was credited to Roop Kumar Rathod. Is that so? It turns out that two of the popular tracks, Agar Tum Mil Jao and Woh Lamhe belonged to, guess who .Pakistan. I think it was just a way for the Bhatts and Anu Malik to get out of any plagiarism allegations. Anyways. Agar Tum Mil Jao was in fact a Pakistani ghazal by Tasavvur Khanum with the same lyrics, NOT Roop Kumar Rathod's. Woh Lamhe was created by Pakistani pop band Jal, NOT Roop Kumar Rathod. Mr. Bhatt, it's shameful enough you copy every one of your films, at least leave our music alone. Please! Here are just a few pieces of the past that were blatantly lifted from composers all around the world: 1) Ram Laxman's Didi Tera Devar Deewana (Hum Aapke Hai Kaun) Inspired by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's Saare
[arr] ayaiyo song...
Last Saturday I was watching the movie "hackers" on Star movies. There was a background music which was played throghout the movie several times. What surprisingis, it is same piece in ARR's Ayaiyyo (Rangeela) song's Second interlude. And surprise, both movies were released in 1995 (Source;IMDB). It may be a coincidence. And another thing i think nobody knows here, Ayaiyo song's loop and style was copied from Boney M's "Going back west". Anybody can confirm this. thanks and regards... Avin Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Independent music artist Christian music artists New music artists Music artists Artist music Music artist management YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "arrahmanfans" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
