Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration
wow..! nice explanations.. :) and i agree fully with the peanut and cashewnut argument and that i will sip in even poison if ARR provides... :) From: V S Rawat To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 12:24:29 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote: > When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to > understand why cant the listener listen to various genres. I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his fans can be satisfied with blue. :-) Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut. :-) Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other species go nuts. :-) Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the tastiest edibles in the world for our ears. Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since. :-) ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare occasions. We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes. The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts. but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype. :-) -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration
>I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his >fans can be satisfied with blue. I wonder why some people bother to feel that his fans are satisfied with blue. His fans are never satisfied. They just want more ! Some of neither have the time nor the energy to imbibe in a few adamant souls in the group that they need to stop messing with what others like/ hate. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, V S Rawat wrote: > > > On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote: > > > When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to > > understand why cant the listener listen to various genres. > > I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his > fans can be satisfied with blue. > > :-) > > Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut. > > :-) > > Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other > species go nuts. > > :-) > > Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford > to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the > situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts > so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the > tastiest edibles in the world for our ears. > > Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our > ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since. > > :-) > > ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare > occasions. > > We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone > eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes. > > The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would > realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying > that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts. > > but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are > not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype. > > :-) > > -- > Rawat > > > -- www.gomzyphotography.com
Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration
On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote: > When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to > understand why cant the listener listen to various genres. I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his fans can be satisfied with blue. :-) Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut. :-) Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other species go nuts. :-) Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the tastiest edibles in the world for our ears. Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since. :-) ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare occasions. We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes. The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts. but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype. :-) -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration
On 5/1/2010 4:28 PM India Time, _ravi_ wrote: > > I dont write to like an essay, that needs to think over a lot of things to collect thoughts and then to feel confident about your conclusion to gather courage to say iit in words and then to share it with the world. Not many can do that in today's rush world of instant pleasures. > but I simply understand Blue was > Blue and Raavn is Raavan. right, just like Himesh's music is himesh's music and anu malik's music is anu malik's music, and pritam's music is pritam's music and so on. And like Dil Se was Dil Se, and Bombay was Bombay, and so on. You are saying that you are treating all films and music and songs individually and don't group them by commanalties or differences. > Ar gave appropriate music and those who > appreciated both the music just loved its music and they just did > not hate Blue just bcs the lyrics wasnt from the Urdu Poet. We > loved the music and just thats it. not many bother about the philosophy or concept behind a song or an album or a movie. We tend to like them isolating that from the rest of the world, but that is not really correct as everything has its consequences and implications. Understaning those brings some purpose in life and makes us mature and wiser. -- Rawat > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat > wrote: >> >> Several members had appreciated Blue music. And now, the same >> members are immersed in Raavan and praising it. >> >> I wonder what exactly one sees/ listens in an album to appreciate >> it? >> >> Blue and Raavan are quite different. And the difference in them >> is not just technical difference like a difference in classical >> or bolly songs that one can like some of both categories. There >> are deeper differences. >> >> I think the difference in blue and RAavan is that Blue was >> technically great without a soul, there was no inherent unity in >> those songs to weave the songs as a single fabric >> >> On the opposite extreme, Raavan is a unified album. There is a >> underlying common theme in all songs that suggests it could be a >> single song running for 30 minutes in raavan. Raavan is earthly. >> Raavan has given us our ARR of 10-15 years ago back to us. >> >> Raavan has generated a long thread on thiruda thiruda and all >> movies of ARR-Mani got discussed. >> >> Raavan is launching people on a rendezvous, down memory lane, old >> is gold, back to the basics. >> >> Raavan is making people rediscover and re-explore ARR. >> >> What else was discussed with blue? Nothing at all, except that it >> was a technically great album having new types of sounds. >> >> I think all those great and novel sounds are still there in >> raavan, but hardly anybody is talking about greatness and novelty >> of sounds in raavan - because there are so many things in raavan >> to be talked about that its technical supremacy seems to have >> taken a back seat low down in the list of priorities of things >> that we love to discuss about music, about ARR's music. >> >> Nobody has so far asked "where is ARR's signature in Raavan", the >> way we had asked where ARR's signatures were in Pappu. Why so? >> Because we all see ARR's signatures in each and every millisecond >> of Raavan. >> >> At the time of release of Blue, ARR had given a message about >> people's high expectations after his oscars. >> >> I had written then here that if ARR is thinking of people >> expectations and about oscar, it is a wrong step. I had said that >> ARR should forget people and forget oscars when he enters his >> studio and he should create what his heart says. >> >> Oscars didn't make ARR creative, ARR's creativity brought Oscars >> to him. >> >> Compare that to Raavan release. No statement by ARR, no mention >> of people's expectations, no mention of oscar (and even grammy) >> now. Raavan got released without a word from ARR. >> >> And Raavan has stirred the ARR-fandom like none of his albums >> had stirred in last 10 years, may be after Dil Se. >> >> I think, with Raavan, ARR has forgotten about people's >> expectations and he has put his awardee status in a corner. He is >> back to become pre-oscar ARR. And his creativity is evident in >> every beat of Raavan. A creativity that has a soul, unlike the >> sheer technical creativity of blue. >> >> Why should ARR explain his music the way he did in Blue? His >> music explains itself to us fans and we understand by listening >> his music when our souls are in touch with ARR's souls and when >> we are not in touch. >> >> Blue was a album composed by an Oscar winner whereas Raavan is >> an album composed by a humble human being who is a music lover. >> >> It can be said that ARR experimented a lot with Blue. And, an >> experiment never fails. It just gives feedback about our >> theories, confirming some, disproving some other. Seems ARR has >> taken that feedback of blue and has incorporated it in his style >> of composition (not the blue style, but the feedback on blue >> style)
Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration
When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to understand why cant the listener listen to various genres. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 7:34 AM, AJ wrote: > > > Reasons why I like Blue: > > Catchy songs > Couple of nice melody songs > Crafty arrangements > Nice sound range > Multi genre > Attention to detail > Rehnuma, Fiqrana, Bhoola Tujhe are my favorites > > Reasons why I like Raavan: > Catchy songs > All songs are melodious > Arrangements and sound are spectacular > Attention to detail even more > Folk, earthy, semi classical, ethnic, raw > Emotions are very concentrated > Each song is truly special overall. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V S > Rawat wrote: > > > > Several members had appreciated Blue music. And now, the same members > > are immersed in Raavan and praising it. > > > > I wonder what exactly one sees/ listens in an album to appreciate it? > > > > Blue and Raavan are quite different. And the difference in them is not > > just technical difference like a difference in classical or bolly > > songs that one can like some of both categories. There are deeper > > differences. > > > > I think the difference in blue and RAavan is that Blue was technically > > great without a soul, there was no inherent unity in those songs to > > weave the songs as a single fabric > > > > On the opposite extreme, Raavan is a unified album. There is a > > underlying common theme in all songs that suggests it could be a > > single song running for 30 minutes in raavan. Raavan is earthly. > > Raavan has given us our ARR of 10-15 years ago back to us. > > > > Raavan has generated a long thread on thiruda thiruda and all movies > > of ARR-Mani got discussed. > > > > Raavan is launching people on a rendezvous, down memory lane, old is > > gold, back to the basics. > > > > Raavan is making people rediscover and re-explore ARR. > > > > What else was discussed with blue? Nothing at all, except that it was > > a technically great album having new types of sounds. > > > > I think all those great and novel sounds are still there in raavan, > > but hardly anybody is talking about greatness and novelty of sounds in > > raavan - because there are so many things in raavan to be talked about > > that its technical supremacy seems to have taken a back seat low down > > in the list of priorities of things that we love to discuss about > > music, about ARR's music. > > > > Nobody has so far asked "where is ARR's signature in Raavan", the way > > we had asked where ARR's signatures were in Pappu. Why so? Because we > > all see ARR's signatures in each and every millisecond of Raavan. > > > > At the time of release of Blue, ARR had given a message about people's > > high expectations after his oscars. > > > > I had written then here that if ARR is thinking of people expectations > > and about oscar, it is a wrong step. I had said that ARR should forget > > people and forget oscars when he enters his studio and he should > > create what his heart says. > > > > Oscars didn't make ARR creative, ARR's creativity brought Oscars to him. > > > > Compare that to Raavan release. No statement by ARR, no mention of > > people's expectations, no mention of oscar (and even grammy) now. > > Raavan got released without a word from ARR. > > > > And Raavan has stirred the ARR-fandom like none of his albums had > > stirred in last 10 years, may be after Dil Se. > > > > I think, with Raavan, ARR has forgotten about people's expectations > > and he has put his awardee status in a corner. He is back to become > > pre-oscar ARR. And his creativity is evident in every beat of Raavan. > > A creativity that has a soul, unlike the sheer technical creativity of > > blue. > > > > Why should ARR explain his music the way he did in Blue? His music > > explains itself to us fans and we understand by listening his music > > when our souls are in touch with ARR's souls and when we are not in > touch. > > > > Blue was a album composed by an Oscar winner whereas Raavan is an > > album composed by a humble human being who is a music lover. > > > > It can be said that ARR experimented a lot with Blue. And, an > > experiment never fails. It just gives feedback about our theories, > > confirming some, disproving some other. Seems ARR has taken that > > feedback of blue and has incorporated it in his style of composition > > (not the blue style, but the feedback on blue style) to come up with > > Raavan that has turned out to be abashed heart-stealer. > > > > With so many conceptual differences in Blue and Raavan that make both > > the ablums almost mutually exclusive, how can a person liking blue can > > now like raavan also, and how can a person liking raavan might have > > liked blue also? > > > > Those persons who appreciates everything, their appreciations get > > discounted and they are seen as creating a hype. Everything can't be > > equally great. Such persons need to individually introspect and find > > what he stands for and what he d
