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Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7
I suppose that quality vs. timeliness is a trade-off of sorts - as Matt's sig line says Good, Fast, Cheap - pick any two. Right now, especially when it comes to patches, I'd be happy with getting two, and at times, one. Rick _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucero, Michelle - IST contractor Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7 ** Hi, Rick: In all fairness and in light of recent patch releases (eh hem DST P20), I would much rather them take as long as necessary to properly test and QA this combination before releasing it to the masses. I'm hoping that it's not a low priority for them and they're simply trying to get it right this time. I'm sure they are aware that their reputation among some of their customers might be at stake. On the more obvious point, I believe you're making... If you've been given an Estimated Time of Release for a product and months have passed, I would say that they might need to work on setting and meeting expectations. I almost wish they would say, sometime in 2007 and be done with it. I agree with your last point that, BMC sales would try to sell it [ITSM 6] as an alternative This is what some companies on their own are electing to do. That is installing ARS 7.0 with ITSM 6.0 as a solution. My two cents, Michelle _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:16 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7 ** As soon as ITSM 6 will work with CMDB 2.0? That was supposed to happen in November, then December, then January, and now it's February. I keep being told it's in process, but geez, it's been so long since it was promised that I have to think it's a pretty low priority for them. I do wish we had the option of keeping some people on ITSM 6 until their organizations were ready for ITIL, and that BMC sales would try to sell it as an alternative when it was the better alternative for a particular customer. Rick _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bloom Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:52 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7 ** Robert, Hmm, could it be more difficult than a change to ITSM7? You know, I could get into a lot of trouble for this. On the one hand, I love the look and feel of ITSM7. Most certainly it feels more ITIL aligned than ITSM6, and has some neat stuff in it. On the other, gosh I hate converting people from ITSM6 to it, and really, waiting for ITSM6 on CMDB2.0 makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. A number of folks I know and respect have commented on ITSM6 being a very good option, and as soon as the upgrade to CMDB2.0 is available I think that answers that issue. [anybody want a really heated discussion of the field ids in ITSM7? Ed, got your breakdown spreadsheet of how many are outside the prescribed range done yet?] thanks for the kudos .. Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Molenda Sent: February 19, 2007 8:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore Thanks Daniel; We DO appreciate your efforts :-) Hopefully your upgrade goes better than ITSM7. Oh wait those are in side the head words. darn those just keep leaking out these days. Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
All I know is that on Saturday / Sunday I received my has been distributed messages for the last week(s) postings / replies... Unfortunately I do not know where the Queuing point was since email is a non-trusted-delivery-mechanism... Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:07 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Gmail sometimes decides that random entries from the list are Spam, and puts them in that folder, which means that if you have it directed at Outlook, you won't see those entries. Log into the gmail web interface to track that. Rick On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** There was a bunching for around 2 hours today, fixed. The list other than that has been busy at a usual volume. I have also heard this week of a group in Australia/NZ that were not receiving the list, but one of them did. I have seen people post from gmail so it is not all gmail recipients. There is definitely a current issue of if you post from the Web interface it does not get emailed out, as mentioned in a previous post by me. Reports of not receiving the arslist at all, over the past decade or so, off the top of my head stats of course, I would say 95% have been problems local to the end user either due to firewall or ISP issues. thanks ... Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Scott Sent: February 16, 2007 4:38 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Stoddard Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
Can't say as I can figure this one out either. 13 hours after the reboot all the posts from the web for the last while suddenly appeared. Why, I don't know ,and quite frankly it isn't worth the time to figure out. I do know that It looks like time for the next upgrade and hope that fixes this bug. . Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Molenda Sent: February 19, 2007 12:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore All I know is that on Saturday / Sunday I received my has been distributed messages for the last week(s) postings / replies. Unfortunately I do not know where the Queuing point was since email is a non-trusted-delivery-mechanism. Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:07 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Gmail sometimes decides that random entries from the list are Spam, and puts them in that folder, which means that if you have it directed at Outlook, you won't see those entries. Log into the gmail web interface to track that. Rick On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** There was a bunching for around 2 hours today, fixed. The list other than that has been busy at a usual volume. I have also heard this week of a group in Australia/NZ that were not receiving the list, but one of them did. I have seen people post from gmail so it is not all gmail recipients. There is definitely a current issue of if you post from the Web interface it does not get emailed out, as mentioned in a previous post by me. Reports of not receiving the arslist at all, over the past decade or so, off the top of my head stats of course, I would say 95% have been problems local to the end user either due to firewall or ISP issues. thanks . Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Scott Sent: February 16, 2007 4:38 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Stoddard Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
Thanks Daniel; We DO appreciate your efforts :-) Hopefully your upgrade goes better than ITSM7... Oh wait those are in side the head words... darn those just keep leaking out these days... Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bloom Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:20 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore Can't say as I can figure this one out either. 13 hours after the reboot all the posts from the web for the last while suddenly appeared. Why, I don't know ,and quite frankly it isn't worth the time to figure out. I do know that It looks like time for the next upgrade and hope that fixes this bug. ... Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Molenda Sent: February 19, 2007 12:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore All I know is that on Saturday / Sunday I received my has been distributed messages for the last week(s) postings / replies... Unfortunately I do not know where the Queuing point was since email is a non-trusted-delivery-mechanism... Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:07 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Gmail sometimes decides that random entries from the list are Spam, and puts them in that folder, which means that if you have it directed at Outlook, you won't see those entries. Log into the gmail web interface to track that. Rick On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** There was a bunching for around 2 hours today, fixed. The list other than that has been busy at a usual volume. I have also heard this week of a group in Australia/NZ that were not receiving the list, but one of them did. I have seen people post from gmail so it is not all gmail recipients. There is definitely a current issue of if you post from the Web interface it does not get emailed out, as mentioned in a previous post by me. Reports of not receiving the arslist at all, over the past decade or so, off the top of my head stats of course, I would say 95% have been problems local to the end user either due to firewall or ISP issues. thanks ... Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Scott Sent: February 16, 2007 4:38 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Stoddard Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7
Robert, Hmm, could it be more difficult than a change to ITSM7? You know, I could get into a lot of trouble for this. On the one hand, I love the look and feel of ITSM7. Most certainly it feels more ITIL aligned than ITSM6, and has some neat stuff in it. On the other, gosh I hate converting people from ITSM6 to it, and really, waiting for ITSM6 on CMDB2.0 makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. A number of folks I know and respect have commented on ITSM6 being a very good option, and as soon as the upgrade to CMDB2.0 is available I think that answers that issue. [anybody want a really heated discussion of the field ids in ITSM7? Ed, got your breakdown spreadsheet of how many are outside the prescribed range done yet?] thanks for the kudos .. Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Molenda Sent: February 19, 2007 8:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore Thanks Daniel; We DO appreciate your efforts :-) Hopefully your upgrade goes better than ITSM7. Oh wait those are in side the head words. darn those just keep leaking out these days. Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7
As soon as ITSM 6 will work with CMDB 2.0? That was supposed to happen in November, then December, then January, and now it's February. I keep being told it's in process, but geez, it's been so long since it was promised that I have to think it's a pretty low priority for them. I do wish we had the option of keeping some people on ITSM 6 until their organizations were ready for ITIL, and that BMC sales would try to sell it as an alternative when it was the better alternative for a particular customer. Rick _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bloom Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:52 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore, ITSM7 ** Robert, Hmm, could it be more difficult than a change to ITSM7? You know, I could get into a lot of trouble for this. On the one hand, I love the look and feel of ITSM7. Most certainly it feels more ITIL aligned than ITSM6, and has some neat stuff in it. On the other, gosh I hate converting people from ITSM6 to it, and really, waiting for ITSM6 on CMDB2.0 makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. A number of folks I know and respect have commented on ITSM6 being a very good option, and as soon as the upgrade to CMDB2.0 is available I think that answers that issue. [anybody want a really heated discussion of the field ids in ITSM7? Ed, got your breakdown spreadsheet of how many are outside the prescribed range done yet?] thanks for the kudos .. Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Molenda Sent: February 19, 2007 8:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore Thanks Daniel; We DO appreciate your efforts :-) Hopefully your upgrade goes better than ITSM7. Oh wait those are in side the head words. darn those just keep leaking out these days. Thanks-n-advance; HDT Platform Incident / Problem Manager Architect Robert Molenda IT OS PA Tel: +1 408 503 2701 Fax: +1 408 503 2912 Mobile: +1 408 472 8097 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality begins with your actions. __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Stoddard Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ # The information contained in this electronic mail message, including attachments, if any, is PetSmart confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or has received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this message in error, please notify the sender via e-mail and promptly delete the original message. # ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
There was a bunching for around 2 hours today, fixed. The list other than that has been busy at a usual volume. I have also heard this week of a group in Australia/NZ that were not receiving the list, but one of them did. I have seen people post from gmail so it is not all gmail recipients. There is definitely a current issue of if you post from the Web interface it does not get emailed out, as mentioned in a previous post by me. Reports of not receiving the arslist at all, over the past decade or so, off the top of my head stats of course, I would say 95% have been problems local to the end user either due to firewall or ISP issues. thanks . Daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Scott Sent: February 16, 2007 4:38 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Stoddard Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ _ The information contained in this electronic mail message, including attachments, if any, is PetSmart confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or has received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this message in error, please notify the sender via e-mail and promptly delete the original message. _ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore
Gmail sometimes decides that random entries from the list are Spam, and puts them in that folder, which means that if you have it directed at Outlook, you won't see those entries. Log into the gmail web interface to track that. Rick On 2/16/07, Daniel Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** There was a bunching for around 2 hours today, fixed. The list other than that has been busy at a usual volume. I have also heard this week of a group in Australia/NZ that were not receiving the list, but one of them did. I have seen people post from gmail so it is not all gmail recipients. There is definitely a current issue of if you post from the Web interface it does not get emailed out, as mentioned in a previous post by me. Reports of not receiving the arslist at all, over the past decade or so, off the top of my head stats of course, I would say 95% have been problems local to the end user either due to firewall or ISP issues. thanks … Daniel -- *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Scott *Sent:* February 16, 2007 4:38 PM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore It seems to be working ok for me. I notice that I seem to get them in batches every 10 - 15 minutes, though. That may just be coincidence, however. Bruce -- *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Stoddard *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2007 2:33 PM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: ADM:Timing Test, please ignore ** Am I the only one who is having problems receiving the emails from the list? This was the 4th message that I've received today, and probably the 20th that I've received this week. I've got two different accounts signed up, one work and one personal for archive purposes, and both have become very spotty since about the first of the month. Charles On 2/16/07, *Daniel Bloom* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** VIA email, 3:47pm Friday ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:Where the Answers Are
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