Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
In your 7.6.4 system if you show relationships on a form you know is in a join, it lists that join form as a relationship? If your answer is yes, that was fixed some time between 7.5 P7 and whatever your patch of 7.6.4. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of ravi rai Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Show Relationship option is available in Dev studio which will list all relationship It works fine. I am on BMC Remedy Developer Studio Version: 7.6.04 Ravi > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:32:43 -0600 > From: lj.longwing@mda.mil > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Agreedso we now know that > > 1 - Dev Studio DOES NOT provide it, but > 2 - ARUtilities, ARSmarts, and ARInside do > > I'm sure that there are multiple other utilities that provide what I'm > sure we would all consider 'basic' information :) > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of rem...@arutilities.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:38 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > I sent this earlier, and just wanted to remind you: > > ARUtilities will tell you if a form is part of a join. > > Download ARUtilities (note there is a free trial period) > http://www.arutilities.com > > Login to your server with ARUtilities > Search for the form you wish, and double-click it When the details > popup, select Cross Reference In the Object Type column you will see > Join Form Note that the list can provide you with a lot more info than > just joins > > http://www.arutilities.com try for free > > Hope this helps. > > Les > > > > > I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms > > utilized in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said > > 'show relationships'...it listed several places where the form was > > used as a source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was > > used as a source of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that > > you can see that. > > I know that ARInside provides that information. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > > > ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. > > The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". > > It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... > > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC > > wrote: > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right > > click on the form and get the references, and it should show you > > that it's used in a join :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > > > ** Hi All, > > > > > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as > > the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers > > the same feature. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew. > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > > > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at > > www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the > > Answers Are" > > > > > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > > > > __ _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at > > www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the > > Answers Are" > > > > __ > _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > __ > _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
Show Relationship option is available in Dev studio which will list all relationship It works fine. I am on BMC Remedy Developer Studio Version: 7.6.04 Ravi > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:32:43 -0600 > From: lj.longwing@mda.mil > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Agreedso we now know that > > 1 - Dev Studio DOES NOT provide it, but > 2 - ARUtilities, ARSmarts, and ARInside do > > I'm sure that there are multiple other utilities that provide what I'm sure > we would all consider 'basic' information :) > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of rem...@arutilities.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:38 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > I sent this earlier, and just wanted to remind you: > > ARUtilities will tell you if a form is part of a join. > > Download ARUtilities (note there is a free trial period) > http://www.arutilities.com > > Login to your server with ARUtilities > Search for the form you wish, and double-click it When the details popup, > select Cross Reference In the Object Type column you will see Join Form Note > that the list can provide you with a lot more info than just joins > > http://www.arutilities.com try for free > > Hope this helps. > > Les > > > > > I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms > > utilized in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said > > 'show relationships'...it listed several places where the form was > > used as a source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was used > > as a source of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that you > > can see that. > > I know that ARInside provides that information. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > > > ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. > > The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It > > could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... > > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC > > wrote: > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right > > click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that > > it's used in a join :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > > > ** Hi All, > > > > > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as > > the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers > > the same feature. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew. > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > > > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > > __ > > _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 > www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
And if you are on a poor man’s budget and do not mind writing a small query to the database, query the schema_join table using the schemaid of the table you want to find out about.. It may turn out to be a bit of a nested query, but doable.. Cheers Joe From: Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:57 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... Thanks On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC wrote: If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used in a join :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Hi All, I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same feature. Thanks, Andrew. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
Agreedso we now know that 1 - Dev Studio DOES NOT provide it, but 2 - ARUtilities, ARSmarts, and ARInside do I'm sure that there are multiple other utilities that provide what I'm sure we would all consider 'basic' information :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of rem...@arutilities.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:38 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio I sent this earlier, and just wanted to remind you: ARUtilities will tell you if a form is part of a join. Download ARUtilities (note there is a free trial period) http://www.arutilities.com Login to your server with ARUtilities Search for the form you wish, and double-click it When the details popup, select Cross Reference In the Object Type column you will see Join Form Note that the list can provide you with a lot more info than just joins http://www.arutilities.com try for free Hope this helps. Les > I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms > utilized in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said > 'show relationships'...it listed several places where the form was > used as a source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was used > as a source of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that you can > see that. > I know that ARInside provides that information. > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. > The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It > could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... > > Thanks > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC > wrote: > > > If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right > click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that > it's used in a join :) > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > ** Hi All, > > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as > the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers > the same feature. > > Thanks, > > Andrew. > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > __ > _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
I sent this earlier, and just wanted to remind you: ARUtilities will tell you if a form is part of a join. Download ARUtilities (note there is a free trial period) http://www.arutilities.com Login to your server with ARUtilities Search for the form you wish, and double-click it When the details popup, select Cross Reference In the Object Type column you will see Join Form Note that the list can provide you with a lot more info than just joins http://www.arutilities.com try for free Hope this helps. Les > I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms utilized > in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said 'show > relationships'...it listed several places where the form was used as a > source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was used as a source > of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that you can see that. > I know that ARInside provides that information. > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. > The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It > could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... > > Thanks > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC > wrote: > > > If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right > click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that > it's used in a join :) > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > ** Hi All, > > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the > base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same > feature. > > Thanks, > > Andrew. > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
The answer can be found in ARSmarts (www.arsmarts.com). ARSmarts lists all the relationships of all objects type, and also offers you a much better view of Base and Overlay objects. HTH. Kaïs kais.albas...@arsmarts.com On 6/06/2012 15:21, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC wrote: I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms utilized in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said 'show relationships'...it listed several places where the form was used as a source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was used as a source of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that you can see that. I know that ARInside provides that information. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... Thanks On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC wrote: If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used in a join :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Hi All, I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same feature. Thanks, Andrew. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
I was wrongI just went and found a join, looked at the forms utilized in that join, then right clicked on one of them and said 'show relationships'...it listed several places where the form was used as a source in a table...but it did NOT list the form is was used as a source of the joinso no...I don't know anywhere 'OOTB' that you can see that. I know that ARInside provides that information. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:57 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... Thanks On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC wrote: If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used in a join :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Hi All, I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same feature. Thanks, Andrew. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
This is in your Server Information screen on the Configuration tab. It will require a reboot of your server and if I remember right the first time after the restart is when it will build the relationships so could take some time for your system to come back up depending on the amount of workflow on the server. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:57 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... Thanks On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC wrote: If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used in a join :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Hi All, I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same feature. Thanks, Andrew. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
I checked around, but couldn't find where to turn it on. The current setting on our server is "Record Object Relationship". It could be obvious, but somehow I haven't been able to find it yet... Thanks On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC < lj.longwing@mda.mil> wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click > on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used > in a join :) > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio > > ** Hi All, > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the > base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same > feature. > > Thanks, > > Andrew. > _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
ARUtilities will tell you if a form is part of a join. Login to your server with ARUtilities Search for the form you wish, and double-click it When the details popup, select Cross Reference In the Object Type column you will see Join Form Note that the list can provide you with a lot more info than just joins http://www.arutilities.com try for free Hope this helps. Les > Hi All, > > I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the > base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same > feature. > > Thanks, > > Andrew. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio
If I'm not mistaken, if you have references turned on, you can right click on the form and get the references, and it should show you that it's used in a join :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Andrew Fremont Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Check if the form is a base form using Developer Studio ** Hi All, I remember with IT Master, we can check if the form is referenced as the base in the join forms, and wondering if Developer studio offers the same feature. Thanks, Andrew. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"