view form magic

2014-01-31 Thread Ray Gellenbeck
Greetings all,

I had a couple quick questions on 8.1

1.  Did they provide a way to instantly change the displayed view of a form 
without re-launching the form in the same window?

Example: on a custom app, the desire to change from submit-custom1 view to 
search-custom3 view (arbitrary names) on the fly, which results in relative 
fields or entire tabs holders behind hidden or revealed due to view membership.


2.  If not, did they bring back the ability to have a field on a tabbed panel 
be visible on all tabs, a feature I miss from 6.x and previous.

Example:  of the 5 tabs in a panel, 3 of the fields are relevant to all tabs 5 
and should be drilled-down to be present on all tabs (without having to re-add 
5 copies of them).


As you might guess, I want to do some dynamically changes to a custom form 
based on actions/workflow elsewhere and would prefer this approach over a bunch 
of hide/reveal active links.  Alternately...

3.  Did they add a field/box that lets you display a form within that field and 
let you dynamically change/reload what form/view you display in that field/box? 
 Similar to embedding a youtube video within a frame on your web page and/or 
dynamically changing the content of that frame based on workflow/triggers.

thanks in advance.

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Re: view form magic

2014-01-31 Thread Ray Gellenbeck
Related, was there some form of ARList purge on 12/21?  I stopped receiving 
ARList emails on that date after many years of membership.  I'd hate to think 
there was a bug or, worse, some admin doing it intentionally.



On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:05 AM, Ray Gellenbeck raygellenb...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
Greetings all,

I had a couple quick questions on 8.1

1.  Did they provide a way to instantly change the displayed view of a form 
without re-launching the form in the same window?

Example: on a custom app, the desire to change from submit-custom1 view to 
search-custom3 view (arbitrary names) on the fly, which results in relative 
fields or entire tabs holders behind hidden or revealed due to view membership.


2.  If not, did they bring back the ability to have a field on a tabbed panel 
be visible on all tabs, a feature I miss from 6.x and previous.

Example:  of the 5 tabs in a panel, 3 of the fields are relevant to all tabs 5 
and should be drilled-down to be present on all tabs (without having to re-add 
5 copies of them).


As you might guess, I want to do some dynamically changes to a custom form 
based on actions/workflow elsewhere and would prefer this approach over a bunch 
of hide/reveal active links.  Alternately...

3.  Did they add a field/box that lets you display a form within that field and 
let you dynamically change/reload what form/view you display in that field/box? 
 Similar to embedding a youtube video within a frame on your web page and/or 
dynamically changing the content of that frame based on workflow/triggers.

thanks in advance.

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Re: view form magic

2014-01-31 Thread Grooms, Frederick W
For #2 you can do it by not putting the fields on any of the tabs.   I have a 
couple of forms in my 7.6.04 I do this with.

Try the following
Pull the fields completely off the tabs and then use the keyboard to position 
them where you want them and then bring the fields all the way to the front.

NOTE: You can't use the mouse to move the fields or that will put them in the 
tab, but using the keyboard will not put them in the tab.



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Related, was there some form of ARList purge on 12/21?  I stopped receiving 
ARList emails on that date after many years of membership.  I'd hate to think 
there was a bug or, worse, some admin doing it intentionally.

On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:05 AM, Ray Gellenbeck 
raygellenb...@yahoo.commailto:raygellenb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Greetings all,

I had a couple quick questions on 8.1

1.  Did they provide a way to instantly change the displayed view of a form 
without re-launching the form in the same window?

Example: on a custom app, the desire to change from submit-custom1 view to 
search-custom3 view (arbitrary names) on the fly, which results in relative 
fields or entire tabs holders behind hidden or revealed due to view membership.


2.  If not, did they bring back the ability to have a field on a tabbed panel 
be visible on all tabs, a feature I miss from 6.x and previous.

Example:  of the 5 tabs in a panel, 3 of the fields are relevant to all tabs 5 
and should be drilled-down to be present on all tabs (without having to re-add 
5 copies of them).


As you might guess, I want to do some dynamically changes to a custom form 
based on actions/workflow elsewhere and would prefer this approach over a bunch 
of hide/reveal active links.  Alternately...

3.  Did they add a field/box that lets you display a form within that field and 
let you dynamically change/reload what form/view you display in that field/box? 
 Similar to embedding a youtube video within a frame on your web page and/or 
dynamically changing the content of that frame based on workflow/triggers.

thanks in advance.




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Re: view form magic

2014-01-31 Thread LJ LongWing
1 - No, you need to open the new window, and close the current one still.
 But, Field permissions are not view specific, so your scenario of
switching a view to hide tabs based on user permission wouldn't work, even
if they had this ability.
2 - No, they removed this capability when they changed it from 'Page
Holders' to 'Panel Holders'.  the reason behind this is that with all of
the various panel types, it's not possible to have the same field in the
same position on all panels.  With that said, it's still possible to modify
the form in a Admin Tool/Dev Studio that supports that, and the new server
still supports that feature in backwards compatibility, as far as I
know...but I honestly can't recommend doing that because it could really
cause unexpected behaviors.
3 - Yes, it's an advanced setfield on View fields.  You can open a form in
a view field, and then the form that's opened can interact with the outside
form through event workflow.

Regarding Fred's comments of putting it behind the panelyes it
works...in some ways...it works because of the fact that it's not on ANY of
the tabs, and because of the way the screen draw works, it ends up
'bleeding through'...but this is certainly not an approved method, nor is
it supported by BMC, and that 'feature' could change at any moment when BMC
changes code during a release...so I wouldn't personally rely on it.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Ray Gellenbeck raygellenb...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Greetings all,

 I had a couple quick questions on 8.1

 1.  Did they provide a way to instantly change the displayed view of a
 form without re-launching the form in the same window?

 Example: on a custom app, the desire to change from submit-custom1 view to
 search-custom3 view (arbitrary names) on the fly, which results in relative
 fields or entire tabs holders behind hidden or revealed due to view
 membership.


 2.  If not, did they bring back the ability to have a field on a tabbed
 panel be visible on all tabs, a feature I miss from 6.x and previous.

 Example:  of the 5 tabs in a panel, 3 of the fields are relevant to all
 tabs 5 and should be drilled-down to be present on all tabs (without having
 to re-add 5 copies of them).


 As you might guess, I want to do some dynamically changes to a custom form
 based on actions/workflow elsewhere and would prefer this approach over a
 bunch of hide/reveal active links.  Alternately...

 3.  Did they add a field/box that lets you display a form within that
 field and let you dynamically change/reload what form/view you display in
 that field/box?  Similar to embedding a youtube video within a frame on
 your web page and/or dynamically changing the content of that frame based
 on workflow/triggers.

 thanks in advance.


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Re: view form magic

2014-01-31 Thread Ray Gellenbeck
Cheers, Frederick.

The whole reason for going custom was customer specification of a singular 
smart form for a variety of related but unique requests.  Each class of 
request shares some common elements but they can't logically be grouped into 
similar areas and only hide/reveal the unique sections.  similarly, they want 
to do all their operations from the custom display form and push/pull data to 
the underlying real ticket tables, so re-loading the form every time I want to 
change configuration/views is an undesired delay every time the form has to 
reload in the browser.  Not very agile/slick.

Oh well, I get to build a brick-ton of hide/reveal/changefield active links I 
suppose.  Doing it via views would be so much more efficient for the 
client/browser as well as code overhead.  Bah...

Ray



On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:32 PM, Grooms, Frederick W 
frederick.w.gro...@xo.com wrote:
 
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For #2 you can do it by not putting the fields on any of the tabs.   I have a 
couple of forms in my 7.6.04 I do this with.
 
Try the following 
Pull the fields completely off the tabs and then use the keyboard to position 
them where you want them and then bring the fields all the way to the front.
 
NOTE: You can’t use the mouse to move the fields or that will put them in the 
tab, but using the keyboard will not put them in the tab.
 
 
 
From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ray Gellenbeck
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: view form magic
 
** 
Related, was there some form of ARList purge on 12/21?  I stopped receiving 
ARList emails on that date after many years of membership.  I'd hate to think 
there was a bug or, worse, some admin doing it intentionally.
 
On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:05 AM, Ray Gellenbeck raygellenb...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
Greetings all,

I had a couple quick questions on 8.1

1.  Did they provide a way to instantly change the displayed view of a form 
without re-launching the form in the same window?

Example: on a custom app, the desire to change from submit-custom1 view to 
search-custom3 view (arbitrary names) on the fly, which results in relative 
fields or entire tabs holders behind hidden or revealed due to view membership.


2.  If not, did they bring back the ability to have a field on a tabbed panel 
be visible on all tabs, a feature I miss from 6.x and previous.

Example:  of the 5 tabs in a panel, 3 of the fields are relevant to all tabs 5 
and should be drilled-down to be present on all tabs (without having to re-add 
5 copies of them).


As you might guess, I want to do some dynamically changes to a custom form 
based on actions/workflow elsewhere and would prefer this approach over a bunch 
of hide/reveal active links.  Alternately...

3.  Did they add a field/box that lets you display a form within that field and 
let you dynamically change/reload what form/view you display in that field/box? 
 Similar to embedding a youtube video within a frame on your web page and/or 
dynamically changing
 the content of that frame based on workflow/triggers.

thanks in advance.


 
 
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