Re: [art] Another website/wiki structure proposal [was: Austin Martin's Report - Important #3:]

2009-03-28 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Austin, all, 

Austin Martin wrote:
 *Hello Everyone,**
 
 *Third one of these, smaller than the 1st or 2nd, but maybe more important
 than both..

good size :-) 
(Just changed the tilte to tell more about the content than report)
 
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Image:ArtProjectMapping-AustinMartin.png
 
 - This is my proposal for the gutting, cleaning, and creating the new Art
 Project Wiki. 

I wanted to create such a comprehensive image too, but didn't have the time to 
do so :-(

 (I haven't read Bernhard's post thoroughly, which just got
 sent to me.) 

There are some priniciple differences between the proposals where we should 
agree on one of them before we go and create new pages IMHO.

Main difference:

-Your proposal includes everything (static pages as well as the official 
galleries) in the wiki part, while I want them to become part of the website.

As Ivan and myself  told you, we want the wiki for artwork uploads and 
collaborative project work. Main informations for people coming to meet us 
should be presented on the website. As long as these pages don't exist there in 
the quality we want to achieve, the user should be redirected to corresponding 
wiki pages, because they are more easily to create and to modify.

Of course this is just an idea that can be discussed. We should find a solution 
everybody here might eb able to livewith and work with.

 Please give me feedback on this. 

It's structuerd in a clear and comprehensive way, that covers all the topics we 
want to be presented to the public.

I don't want to comment the differences to my proposal (moving the official 
artwork gallery to the website etc.), but there is one point I don't understand:

 Also note that the artwork
 proposals will have the Proposals/ added to them and they will be in that
 directory.

What's the reason for adding a subdirectory /proposals/?

If an author wants his/her artwork to become official, this proposal has to be 
sent to the mailing list IMHO. If it is accepted for the official gallery, it 
can be added there, but if it is rejected, it will become part of the 
additional artwork gallery. 

So why not put it in the additional gallery from the beginning?

And if the official gallery will not be stored at the wiki, the additional 
gallery will become the Gallery for all submitted artwork.

WIth regard to the sandbox: Do you want this to become a single page or a 
subdirectory for different tasks / collaborative artwork?

I understand the other pages on the main level as information and lists, but 
this might become a larger area where we really work with the wiki.

 -
 
 @ http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery
 - Moved the additional artwork gallery thing here, but still need to
 change/move the directory of the other subpages.

Please wait with creating new directories/pages until we found a way to 
structrue the entire project.

 - Right now it seems stupid considering that:
  1.) The contents box is weirdly organized.

agreed - I don't think we need a contents box on that page if we just use it to 
link to the subdierctories (via buttons/images?)

  2.) The proposals are pushed to the bottom..

As I mentioned above: I don't see a reason for this discrimination. They should 
be part of the corresponding subgalleries.

 - A two column (I think that is possible), would be the best solution I
 think.

But not necessary IMHO.
 
 *Further Plans:*
 
 @ http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art
 - Reconstruct the entire Wiki to the Art Project new directory proposal (I
 made .). 

Not yet please - collaborative working means finding a way together, not to 
present a final position that might be accepted or rejected (including the work 
and time spent for it).

 And I'll come out with a large list (Report #4) of killed pages
 in the making, lol.

Please don't create even more pages that have to be killed in future...

 
 @ http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:Art
 - Change this so that it goes along with the Art Project new directory
 proposal.

When we agreed on one of the proposals.

 - I would also like to add something like this to the template:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FOSS, which actually uses this
 template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox, Or only have this on
 the template, and just add a small thing at the top formatted much the same
 as the bottom, but smaller.

It's great to have such a table on the wiki - didn't know that this is possible.

But I don't know if it is necessary for the navigation bar on the right, where 
I'd like to link only to the main areas and the galleries.

The navbar template seems to me as if it would fit perfectly for the gallery 
page (linking to the subgalleries) and for the subgalleries (linking to the 
single artwork pages or areas).

 Official Wiki Manager? lol.

At least: Most active wiki contributor ATM :-)

Best regards

Bernhard





[art] Artwork Developer Sandbox SVG:

2009-03-28 Thread Austin Martin
Hello Everyone, Ivan M

If any of you don't know, Ivan M suggested an Artist's Development Sandbox
on the first Report I made.

 Ivan M wrote:
  However, I had also hoped that we could also create a kind of
 beginners toolbox - a compressed file that new members can download,
 which contains common graphical elements to get them started - a
 vector copy of the OOo logo, color pallets, etc [...]

I said this back:

 Austin Martin wrote:
 If you don't mind I think I will make a rough draft of this page, I know I
 need to make a SVG page with the work bench material but should I also
 make a PNG version?

I collected a view things and now I have created the SVG version at this
page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Image:ArtworkDeveloperSanbox.svg
(Direct Link:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/c/ce/ArtworkDeveloperSanbox.svg
)

Wanted to let everyone know, and put it up for feedback. Please suggest any
other graphics that I need to include.

Austin Martin


[art] Receiving Mail?

2009-03-28 Thread Austin Martin
Hello All,

I am just wondering if you guys are receiving my mail, because I'm never
sure when I get the ooo.to.heliotr...@neverbox.com problem..
A single response is fine.

Austin Martin


Re: [art] Receiving Mail?

2009-03-28 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Austin

you wrote:
 I am just wondering if you guys are receiving my mail, because I'm never
 sure when I get the ooo.to.heliotr...@neverbox.com problem..
 A single response is fine.

Yes :-)

(at least if you refer to your mail about 5 to hours ago about the Artist 
Sandbox SVG)

Best regards

Bernhard

PS: I'll contact Florian and John about unsubscribing the neverbox address. 
Even if the only problem is an additional mail to people posting mails to the 
list (and these mails are not too many ATM) it's a bit annoying...




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