[AsburyPark] Re: C8 is scrap metal little resistance to corrosion
Hi All, It was hard to interpret what Werner was saying about the C-8 Structure the way he framed it. And I am not a Civil Engineer! BUT, with that said, I did go to College and took two simple courses known as Physics I and Physics II. And having taken those, I am well aware of what can happen to virtually ANY unprotected Metal that sits for 20 Years next to the Ocean! My old Suburu was partially submerged in the Point Pleasant Floods of 1992. It took only 3 Years for the bottom third of that car to totally rot OUT after the flood! And the car I bought brand new in 1989! I do realize that Building Steel is a MUCH more resilient type of Metal that it's built out of. But even PLANES, which fly every DAY in questionable Weather and are made of Aluminum or Titanium (Some parts) have serious problems with the Weather affecting parts even the Fuselage. Ask any Aerodynamics Engineer ...Or even an Aircraft Mechanic (There are actually two different types of Aircraft Mechanics that work on different parts of the Plane ..Both are underpaid for their responsibility since President Reagan halved their salaries in the 1980's). Anyway, there absolutely MUST be a measurable degradation of the Frame that remains of the C-8 Building! Even for Werner to say there isn't, sorry Werner, but you have to go back and Crack your old Physics Chemistry Books Open again and re-state what you said! Considering those facts, there ARE experts who are TOTALLY qualified to re-examine the C-8 Structure and completely determine whether it IS or IS Not Safe NOW ..Today! They are best fit to determine that, not ME or Werner or Skip Bernstein Or certainly the Mayor, who's a Musician! I did write a Paper on Laser Fusion in 1978 while in College, and that's certainly a MUCH more Complex thing than determining the Safety of a Steel Frame on a Building! In fact, I'll tell you NOW that a Combination of Magnetic Fusion and MagLevTrains will BE the Transportation/ Energy Combination that SAVES the Earth from Global Warming IF we develop and/ or USE them SOON! Steve Wider --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only things relevant are: has corrosion thinned the steel below the load bearing spec, and can below spec areas be repaired/replaced. To the contrary, the building as is, represents millions of dollars invested in clearance, foundations, superstructure, etc. It makes sense to use it if technically/financially feasible. It's hard to imagine that steel not being well below the load bearing spec; structural steel offers little resistance to corrosion in high moisture or wet applications, the presence of salt air is particularly deadly. The below design details list is for highway bridge construction where salt is only a seasonal concern. Design Details. For uncoated steel in bridges and other highway structures, the following items should receive careful consideration: (1) Eliminate bridge joints where possible. (2) Expansion joints must be able to control water that is on the deck. Consider the use of a trough under the deck joint to divert water away from vulnerable elements. (3) Paint all superstructure steel within a distance of 1 1/2 times the depth of girder from bridge joints. (4) Minimize the number of bridge deck scuppers. (5) Eliminate details that serve as water and debris traps. (6) Hermetically seal box members when possible, or provide weep holes to allow proper drainage and circulation of air. (7) Consider protecting pier caps and abutment walls to minimize staining. (8) Seal overlapping surfaces exposed to water (to prevent capillary penetration action). C-8 was designed to be encapsulated in concrete with general weatherproofing; with 20 years exposure the chance that that structure won't fall under its own weight seems extremely remote. That said, why wouldn't The Fish go full steam ahead? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Greg S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe that there is an Engineer or Insurance professional that would let that superstructure be built on. It has been in the salt air for 20(?) years. The only things relevent are: has corrosion thinned the steel below the load bearing spec, and can below spec areas be repaired/replaced. The floors are crumbling and collapsing every day. There are no floors, only the corrogated sheets that the floors would have been poured on. They have mostly rusted away and will be replaced. Then the floors will be poured. I am sure there is going to be a request to change the plan, we should say no. What change are you anticipating to say no to? There are two options, complete it as designed. Or, raze it and build to the new controls. It doesn't take a lot of vision to understand that the structure is of no value (beside
[AsburyPark] Re: sue in small claims - could lose a lot
Skip: If Mayor Sanders could grow a set of balls, like Mayor Nagin, who called the President's hand, we may be able to save this city. If the City Manager, could join WITH the Mayor and the 2 called Asbury Partners hand, we could save the City. If the City of Asbury Park, could call the Governor's hand, Governor Shrek, as 101.5 calls him, build a fire under his butt, maybe, just maybe, Asbury Park can become the City WE want. If the other councilmen would get off their dead, greedy, asses, excluding, Ed and Jim Keady, maybe, just maybe the only 2 progressive councilmen could whip this town awake because it is clearly asleep! Asbury Partners is NOT our Partner! Just take the bridge to Interlaken, down Ocean Ave., genuflect as you pass Konvitz's house, the modest ranch that it IS, kiss his ring too, while you're at it and when you pass the WindMill, look to your right. It's the beginning of Condo City, smack on the oceanfront of what USED to be Long Branch! Yuppie City, it's become! God help us! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The relationship between the City and the Developer has to be like Master and Dog, with the City being the Master. If the Dog knows it can bully the Master it will constantly. The great irony in Asbury is that the Dog is but a faux mutt, whines but has no bark, eats voraciously but has no teeth, and defecates all over town because the city has no leash. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the meeting at the Wonder Bar the night before the Carousel House came down? A city official warned the Historical Society not to antagonize the Master Developer if they wanted to save some of the other Asbury treasures. That the basic problem in how this city government has handled the Developer; it fears him. It should be the other way around. The relationship between the City and the Developer has to be like Master and Dog, with the City being the Master. If the Dog knows it can bully the Master it will constantly. Had our leaders had the gumption to be the Master it would have shoved Default up Asbury Partners hind quarters long ago. Next chapter. Heard a rumour the C-8 steel might have to come down. I uploaded a file to the forum which is an excerpt from the Redevelopment Plan. If it comes down, the site can only be built to 3, 6 8 stories. Obviously it will not accomodate the same amount of units as envisioned (224). That means, Metro on;t pay Fishman the same amount of money. If this happens, you can expect that an amendment to the plan will be requested. If the City was the Master it would make sure that it got some of the extra money for allowing the amendment to still allow C-8 to be built to its original height. But I suspect that the City will play the Dog once again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Letter to the Editor of the TriCity News
Amy, I partly agree with you about Anybody's, and partly do NOT! I'm not Gay, but I'm Pro-Gay and sympathize with the Crap that many Gay People go through, just as the Indians, Blacks, Hispanics and others have lived through all over this Country. I occasionally write articles for Dan at the Tri-City, and just about ALL of them have been about Social Justice in one form or another. Dan was wrong about Anybody's not deserving the Right to Fight Eminent Domain! But you are also wrong about Soriano being one of the Cutest and nicest People in Asbury Park! He's NOT! If he's Lenny, then there's a side to him you NEVER Saw! I was in Anybody's two times, and I, as well as a NY Times Photographer, were BOTH treated very unfairly, in fact RUDELY, by Soriano, the Owner! I went there BOTH Times to HELP the Owner to Fight more effectively against the Eminent Domain NOW taking Place. And he was NOT at all receptive either Time! He was Cocky, Self Absorbed, extremely Lacking the Knowledge and People he needs to WIN an Eminent Domain Fight and just UNWORKABLE as a person I was seriously TRYING to help! The Second Time, I brought a Photographer who is from the NY Times. He (Radcliffe) is doing a Story on the Abuse of Eminent Domain and how it's affecting the People, both Business Owners and Residents, here in A.P., as well as in Neptune and Long Branch. I spent four hours on the 10th, and 5 hours on the 17th going around to visit People with Radcliffe. And we visited approximately 12 People, and Radcliffe visited approximately 20 to 24 Total so far (Some in Neptune)! Anyway, when we went to Anybody's this past Saturday, Soriano REFUSED not only to have his Pictures taken, but to even TALK about his situation! But he was also extremely RUDE and unprofessional about it! He virtually came within a Pubic Hair's distance from THROWING Radcliffe OUT! And Radcliffe is a mild mannered Black Jamaican Man, who's spending Mostly his OWN Money on taking Pictures of Eminent Domain Victims, to be followed up by a New York Times Story which will be done by a Reporter who's now IN Rwanda, writing about the Genocide THERE! So, to summarize what I believe will happen, or should happen, to Anybody's, here it is: Since Soriano refuses to work with Neighbors United, which is affiliated with about 100+ Owners in Neptune, Asbury Park and Long Branch, he MAY lose the Bar! And he deserves to, NOT due to his lack of right to Due Process or being Protected by the Fifth Amendment! But because he REFUSE to Unite with Home and Business Owners, the Press and Competent Lawyers who can possibly SAVE his Bar! Now, on the Gaza strip thing. You're 100% WRONG about the People on the Gaza Strip, the Jewish People, that is! They KNEW that the Land there would eventually be given to the Palestinians, and yet they built there (Recently). Palestine, now Israel, was taken from the Palestinians in conjunction with a Post WWII Deal which NEVER should have even happened! President Clinton wrote almost the Exact Plan to rightfully give Land to the Palestinians to compensate them for what they lost years ago that is NOW finally being DONE! Plus, it was Jews removing Jews, NOT Palestinians forcing them BACK! I'm NOT Anti-Semitic, in fact, Senator Lautenberg is one of my favorite People in the Country. Not to mention that my now dear Friend, Dorothy Argyros, who's the Anti-Eminent Domain Queen, was BORN to four Jewish Grandparents. My other friend in Lakewood, Rena Amada, is also of Jewish decent, and feels the SAME as I, and Dorothy do about the Jewish People here in NJ forcibly taking Land for Profit! But the Palestinians are being given the Land on the Gaza Strip to END (Some Day) the more than 88 Years of injustice that has been done to them (It actually started ...In Recent History .. in 1917, after WWI)! And they DESERVE to get that Land, every square INCH of it! While at Anybody's the first time, I spoke to a Gay Man who works in the City delivering mail. He was not only abused, but beaten, by someone he knows! He's also highly abused at the Post Office daily! I told him of one very Powerful Person to contact about it, and I WILL check back with this guy! I also notified the Prosecutor's Office about it! I'm against ANY Injustice! And I'm not Anti-Semitic, but the Gentrification going on here in Asbury Park which WILL also push OUT the Gays one day, is being DONE by the Jewish redevelopers On PURPOSE! Right now, they are in a hostile and illegal way evicting over 130 Mental Health Patients from the Atlantic and Belmont Hotels on Asbury Ave.! They are totally harmless, but also fragile People who CAN't fight for themselves! And a Gay man on the City Council, John Loffredo has been Voting for, and endorsing this Gentrification for 4 YEARS now. What's' your take on THAT? And what will the Gay People DO when the Jews knock on THEIR Doors five years from now, and tell THEM it's time to SELL their House? It WILL happen, as it has, and is, in
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The reversion to the 'new' plan is in the event that the entire building can not be rehabilitated. - The approvals are within the envelope of the plan except that 12 foot extensions may be build on the north and south facades. - The demolition is selective for the southeast section which suffered from exposure more than the other sections. - The budget is for the rehabilitation, repair and completion of the superstructure Hope that helps, Werner Yes, I assume there is a threshold when partial dismantling becomes total demolition. I see it in NYC and is the difference in getting a New Building permit versus an Alteration. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I assume there is a threshold when partial dismantling becomes total demolition. I see it in NYC and is the difference in getting a New Building permit versus an Alteration. Dan, This is the point I've made in my column about the Palace and the Casino. If it is in such disrepair that there exists less of it than more of it, you aren't saving it anyway; you're just rebuilding something new that follows the old form. If you are rebuilding new anyway, why stay cuffed by the dead-hand control of our predecessors? We can use the opportunity to employ our own creativity and build something even more magnificent today than what used to be there. It is just a matter of believing in ourselves to do better than those that came before us. Just a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you have trouble understanding this? Whoa! I understand a lot more than the average (insert name) around here. Let's not get testy. :-) ... I know the plan accounts for both, but if demolished it can't be built to its existing height. The amendment would be to AMEND that fact, i.e., okay we're demolishing it and can't built it to 16 stories, but please let us do it anyway. Are we clear? Thank you, now you have made your concern clear. :-) $PSF? Depends on what you use for average size. I used 1,200 sf. Could be larger. But 1,200 sf X 224 = 268,800 sf. $18 million / 268,800 sf = $66.97/sf. That seems like steel for an entire building (every sf) not just portions. Thanks again, Where did you see the $18M figure for steel, I'd like to archive that away. Consider that the existing steel needs to be refurbished, they would essentially be doing an entire building The cost savings is in not having to pay for the demolition and disposal of existing material in addition to building an entire building. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa! I understand a lot more than the average (insert name) around here. Let's not get testy. :-) That's the problem with cyberspace, unless you make use of symbols and caps, etc. you cannot convey your demeanor. Me testy? Here's 3 smileys for you. :) :) :) (|) That's me mooning you in cyberspace. I'll send you what I got privately. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve
this guy claims to run a nonprofit organization that helps the poor in Asbury. Hesh the guy's a certified idiot, street hustler; he knows as much about helping the poor as Genghis Khan. Oh, and he once, in 1978, wrote a Term Paper on Laser Fusion. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heshy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be one thing if he were just a lone internet kook, but this guy claims to run a nonprofit organization that helps the poor in Asbury. If I'm not mistaken, there was even a benefit concert for his organization during the summer, written up in the triCityNews. There's nothing wrong with charity, of course, but if during the course of his charitable activities he spreads his malicious conspiracy theories, he ceases to be a humanitarian and becomes an agitator. ~Heshy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto. I had thought of responding to Steve's post but I thought it better to ignore him. I guess many people made that same mistake many times in the past with disasterous results. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
the Casino. If it is in such disrepair that there exists less of it than more of it, you aren't saving it anyway; you're just rebuilding something new that follows the old form. If you are rebuilding new anyway, why stay cuffed by the dead-hand control of our predecessors? We can use the opportunity to employ our own creativity and build something even more magnificent today than what used to be there. It is just a matter of believing in ourselves to do better than those that came before us. Just a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better. You're certainly working hard for Fish money, it remains to be seen whether he'll ever throw you a bone. Re the Casino, you actually believe there exists less of it than more of it, that today's builders and architects can match or exceed dead-hand control of our predecessors and that a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better? I'm aware of the party line of the `3 clown news and world report' that only world class design is sufficient for groovy condo Asbury; that this is at odds with having The Fish as developer appears to have escaped the attention of your hustler employer, but then I think we all know DJ is playing for the long game and he too will have to wait and see whether Larry will ever throw him a bone. However, you appear to have endless confidence that `new stuff' beats the hell out of old stuff; you're large on facts so how about providing a few examples, all I know of your tastes is an inordinate love affair with Monster Trucks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I assume there is a threshold when partial dismantling becomes total demolition. I see it in NYC and is the difference in getting a New Building permit versus an Alteration. Dan, This is the point I've made in my column about the Palace and the Casino. If it is in such disrepair that there exists less of it than more of it, you aren't saving it anyway; you're just rebuilding something new that follows the old form. If you are rebuilding new anyway, why stay cuffed by the dead-hand control of our predecessors? We can use the opportunity to employ our own creativity and build something even more magnificent today than what used to be there. It is just a matter of believing in ourselves to do better than those that came before us. Just a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 -- Skip and Larry - perfect together.
You know I long said that Larry's some kind of guy. Imagine that The Fish and me agreeing on something. Now if it seems absurd when I do it to you, I assure you it is just as absurd when you do it to me. Oh contraire, what's good for the BlindBishop's good for the Skipster, but I've gotta tell you I'm more than a bit skeptical. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skip, Larry agrees with you on re-building the Casino. He is against my idea of knocking it down and putting something better there. So, since you and Larry agree on something, what should I do, accuse you of being in his pocket? Looking for something from him? Being a shill for him? Agreeing with everything he has ever said and done? Skip and Larry - perfect together. Now if it seems absurd when I do it to you, I assure you it is just as absurd when you do it to me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Casino. If it is in such disrepair that there exists less of it than more of it, you aren't saving it anyway; you're just rebuilding something new that follows the old form. If you are rebuilding new anyway, why stay cuffed by the dead-hand control of our predecessors? We can use the opportunity to employ our own creativity and build something even more magnificent today than what used to be there. It is just a matter of believing in ourselves to do better than those that came before us. Just a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better. You're certainly working hard for Fish money, it remains to be seen whether he'll ever throw you a bone. Re the Casino, you actually believe there exists less of it than more of it, that today's builders and architects can match or exceed dead-hand control of our predecessors and that a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better? I'm aware of the party line of the `3 clown news and world report' that only world class design is sufficient for groovy condo Asbury; that this is at odds with having The Fish as developer appears to have escaped the attention of your hustler employer, but then I think we all know DJ is playing for the long game and he too will have to wait and see whether Larry will ever throw him a bone. However, you appear to have endless confidence that `new stuff' beats the hell out of old stuff; you're large on facts so how about providing a few examples, all I know of your tastes is an inordinate love affair with Monster Trucks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I assume there is a threshold when partial dismantling becomes total demolition. I see it in NYC and is the difference in getting a New Building permit versus an Alteration. Dan, This is the point I've made in my column about the Palace and the Casino. If it is in such disrepair that there exists less of it than more of it, you aren't saving it anyway; you're just rebuilding something new that follows the old form. If you are rebuilding new anyway, why stay cuffed by the dead- hand control of our predecessors? We can use the opportunity to employ our own creativity and build something even more magnificent today than what used to be there. It is just a matter of believing in ourselves to do better than those that came before us. Just a little bravery is all it takes to break from the past and be something better. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 - closer to the mark
`To me, he wants it to fall into the ocean so he can say don't blame me, it was an act of God that caused the damage.' Gary you're a little closer to the mark; I suspect the BlindBishop's having a bit of fun with us, he is after all The Fish's stalking horse. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/20/05 4:17 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skip, Larry agrees with you on re-building the Casino. He is against my idea of knocking it down and putting something better there. Do you really believe he wants to rebuild the Casino? If so, why wouldn't you try doing something to protect it from further decline after these past 5 years or so? To me, he wants it to fall into the ocean so he can say don't blame me, it was an act of God that caused the damage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Big Announcement at AP City Hall
Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00 am. Be there or be square!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00 am. Be there or be square!!! A Red Herring, there is no indication that there is a meeting at that time and place. Check any of the usual City websites. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 - closer to the mark
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 That's what you get when your planning starts being driven by Nostalgia. Hey, why have one empty, barely used convention center on the boardwalk when we can have two empty, barely used convention centers on the boardwalk! Nostalgia is a powerful thing, look at Ocean Grove, Cape May, etc. Not that AP should be that. It isn't nostalgia that pushes the cart for me with the Casino. That is done by its architectural beauty. Not to mention that it was designed by Warren and Wetmore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 - closer to the mark
The Casino is the ugliest building ever constructed. Warren Wetmore, despite other successes, clearly drew it over a liquid lunch. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 That's what you get when your planning starts being driven by Nostalgia. Hey, why have one empty, barely used convention center on the boardwalk when we can have two empty, barely used convention centers on the boardwalk! Nostalgia is a powerful thing, look at Ocean Grove, Cape May, etc. Not that AP should be that. It isn't nostalgia that pushes the cart for me with the Casino. That is done by its architectural beauty. Not to mention that it was designed by Warren and Wetmore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
maybe Christie is coming into town to announce some new indictments. Shit the list is so long it could be anyone here even. ];~} --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be there tomorrow at 11:00 am and find out how wrong those websites are. Trust me there will be a press conference there with a mojor announcement. Should I bring handcuffs or will they be supplied? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
That's right, your the big credentialess reporter for a non sanctioned paper. ]:~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be there tomorrow at 11:00 am and find out how wrong those websites are. Trust me there will be a press conference there with a mojor announcement. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00 am. Be there or be square!!! A Red Herring, there is no indication that there is a meeting at that time and place. Check any of the usual City websites. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
A non-sanctioned paper? What's a sanctioned paper? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right, your the big credentialess reporter for a non sanctioned paper. ]:~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be there tomorrow at 11:00 am and find out how wrong those websites are. Trust me there will be a press conference there with a mojor announcement. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00 am. Be there or be square!!! A Red Herring, there is no indication that there is a meeting at that time and place. Check any of the usual City websites. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Talking about C-8, Metro Homes Trump
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woo-Hoo! Legalized pot smoking while driving 95 with no seat belts on, talking on the cell phone and shootin' stuff up! This guy sounds like just wha New Jersey needs. Wow Joe, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were hannitized. That's almost verbatim what the talking handpuppets on the radio say about the Liberatarian Party. If certain people want to take themselves out of the genepool in the manner you described, no need to waste valuable police resources on 'em. At least he's against eminent domain, except, apparently, in Asbury Park. (see his ISSUES page) LOL...I noticed that too. I guess with all the dead voters that rose from the grave to vote last November, he figures the Democratic Party already has Asbury Park spoken for this November. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/16/nyregion/16jersey.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
