[AsburyPark] Re: Belmar - Eminent Domain
Dan I agree with the philosophy of your post here about the use of ED. However, I don't think I tried to pin something on JK. That sounds like I was ascribing to him postions he does not hold. I pointed out that at anti-ED rallies he called for a State-Wide moretorium on ED. At the same time he did that, he was co-chair of a committee that recommended the use of ED (co-chair with another man who says he does not favor ED). Those facts are true. My analysis of those facts is that his positions are inconsistent. If I'm in a bad mood I'll say hypocritical. He reads this board. If he would like to clear it up, he can. I don't believe he posted anything about this the first time it was brought up. I know what it is like to be on the losing end of ED. It happened to my family. Real tears are shed. It is a VERY emotional time. People at those rallies are in an emotional state. To show up and promise so strongly to be in their camp (accompanied by great applause I'm sure) all while actually furthering the cause of the other side is not the sign of someone who cares about them, it is the sign of a guy looking for votes, trading on their emotional state. It's like lying to crime victims about helping them, and then passing legislation that helps the perpetrator. In my opinion. Let him tell me why I'm wrong. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: I agree there is no difference in properties. I hate to see a business that a person put everything into only to then loose it to development. Couldn't a councilman propose this and not include the waterfront since that has already been given the ok? Yes they could. Although I am sure you know that the city has indicated that it might use eminent domain for the Springwood project and I am sure that there is the same danger with regard to Main Street when it gets off the ground. Ed Johnson is unilaterally opposed to eminent domain (except for public use I think) and so I would think that he would be the natural source of such an ordinance but I doubt that it has the necessary 3 votes. Also, I assume that his Future Team mates would be opposed to such an ordinance. Ed gets to keep his conscience clear by simply voting no on his own for eminent domain. Although Tommy tried to pin it on Keady with Springwood, I don't recall Keady ever saying he was unilaterally opposed to eminent domain. If you don't like a particular property because of actual circumstances (substandard, etc.) there are plenty of laws to enforce to make them tow the line. Sorry, but in my book unless its for a true public use, it's a no no to condemn it just because you want something else there. Equitable treatment. Let the public at large pay for the benefit, not a particular property owner or owners. That is also my beef with rent regs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] From Today's Coaster...Are we getting closer?
Work Continues on Asbury Park Beachfront Plan http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=1067 By ELLEN CARROLL A plan for Asbury Park's landmark Fifth Avenue Pavilion on the boardwalk, which includes the former Howard Johnson's restaurant, is 95 per cent complete, said Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners. We expect to submit the plan with enhancements for the Convention Hall, the Casino and the power plant and the Fifth Avenue Pavilion to a sub-committee (of the city) within two weeks, he said. Asbury Partners, the city's beachfront redeveloper, is partnering with the Washington D.C.-based Madison Marquette company on what a new beachfront will look like complete with shops and entertainment. Last summer Asbury Partners said it was partnering with the firm which will put together a plan for the boardwalk and the surrounding area. Madison Marquette was also going to discuss tenants for the buildings. At the time a formal presentation was expected in November. It did not take place. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno is upbeat about the beachfront future. They are very, very close to having this deal signed, Bruno said. The devil's in the details. Our sub-committee has met with the representatives of Madison Marquette within the last week and we are confident once these details are taken care of the contract will be signed, sealed and delivered. Fishman said the former Howard Johnson's will have a first class operator by the summer. Madison Marquette will also bring a plan to the City Council which will include an enhanced scope of work to retail on the boardwalk. There is an awful lot of work to consummate a deal of this size and includes thousands of pages of documents, Fishman said. Asbury Partners has said $6 million will be spent to renovate and refurbish the city's boardwalk pavilions. Many of them have been neglected over the years and are rapidly deteriorating. Meanwhile, progress continues on condominiums and townhomes along Wesley Lake and to the north of the Berkeley Cartertet. Occupants of Wesley Grove's first building, The St. James, are expected to begin moving in by the spring. Officials and city residents have been concerned, however, about the lack of progress on the retail and commercial components at the beachfront.
[AsburyPark] Re: Belmar - Eminent Domain
cod·piece (k#335;d'pçs') Pronunciation Key n. A pouch at the crotch of the tight-fitting breeches worn by men in the 15th and 16th centuries. Ok Dan now I get it. Thank God for Dictionary.com! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I think Doherty is a Johnny come lately here. Perhaps Kevin knows better than me, but didn't Belmar already get started on aquiring most of those property? Like Friedman's Bakery? Also, aren't most of the properties there commercial, so this won't apply? Yes I think you are right that many have been taken and I think the article suggests that most are commercial. Pandering is the term I used. Good job on the other stuff. When are you going to do an analysis of Sanders, Bruno and Loffredo? The latter of course sans codpiece. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Belmar - Eminent Domain
well said - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:50:21 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Belmar - Eminent Domain Dan I agree with the philosophy of your post here about the use of ED. However, I don't think I tried to pin something on JK. That sounds like I was ascribing to him postions he does not hold. I pointed out that at anti-ED rallies he called for a State-Wide moretorium on ED. At the same time he did that, he was co-chair of a committee that recommended the use of ED (co-chair with another man who says he does not favor ED). Those facts are true. My analysis of those facts is that his positions are inconsistent. If I'm in a bad mood I'll say hypocritical. He reads this board. If he would like to clear it up, he can. I don't believe he posted anything about this the first time it was brought up. I know what it is like to be on the losing end of ED. It happened to my family. Real tears are shed. It is a VERY emotional time. People at those rallies are in an emotional state. To show up and promise so strongly to be in their camp (accompanied by great applause I'm sure) all while actually furthering the cause of the other side is not the sign of someone who cares about them, it is the sign of a guy looking for votes, trading on their emotional state. It's like lying to crime victims about helping them, and then passing legislation that helps the perpetrator. In my opinion. Let him tell me why I'm wrong. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: I agree there is no difference in properties. I hate to see a business that a person put everything into only to then loose it to development. Couldn't a councilman propose this and not include the waterfront since that has already been given the ok? Yes they could. Although I am sure you know that the city has indicated that it might use eminent domain for the Springwood project and I am sure that there is the same danger with regard to Main Street when it gets off the ground. Ed Johnson is unilaterally opposed to eminent domain (except for public use I think) and so I would think that he would be the natural source of such an ordinance but I doubt that it has the necessary 3 votes. Also, I assume that his Future Team mates would be opposed to such an ordinance. Ed gets to keep his conscience clear by simply voting no on his own for eminent domain. Although Tommy tried to pin it on Keady with Springwood, I don't recall Keady ever saying he was unilaterally opposed to eminent domain. If you don't like a particular property because of actual circumstances (substandard, etc.) there are plenty of laws to enforce to make them tow the line. Sorry, but in my book unless its for a true public use, it's a no no to condemn it just because you want something else there. Equitable treatment. Let the public at large pay for the benefit, not a particular property owner or owners. That is also my beef with rent regs. Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
[AsburyPark] Re: Belmar - Eminent Domain
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cod·piece (k#335;d'pçs') Pronunciation Key n. A pouch at the crotch of the tight-fitting breeches worn by men in the 15th and 16th centuries. Ok Dan now I get it. Thank God for Dictionary.com! I'll never let him live done the Columbus schtick. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I think Doherty is a Johnny come lately here. Perhaps Kevin knows better than me, but didn't Belmar already get started on aquiring most of those property? Like Friedman's Bakery? Also, aren't most of the properties there commercial, so this won't apply? Yes I think you are right that many have been taken and I think the article suggests that most are commercial. Pandering is the term I used. Good job on the other stuff. When are you going to do an analysis of Sanders, Bruno and Loffredo? The latter of course sans codpiece. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dan S, you running for President? ;-)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3xlkdn He's got my vote. Seriously, I've known about this guy for years. You have to listen to his bat day at Yankee Stadium clip. Search his web site for it. You will pee your pants. While his cadence and language are close to mine, he's probably closer to you politically ;). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From Today's Coaster...Are we getting closer?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are very, very close to having this deal signed, Bruno said. The devil's in the details. Our sub-committee has met with the representatives of Madison Marquette within the last week and we are confident once these details are taken care of the contract will be signed, sealed and delivered. Told you so. Yogi was right - it ain't over till its over. Let's hope they can bring this baby home. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NJ Selling Toll Roads
http://tinyurl.com/32v2rf One of the stupiest ideas in years. This country began with private toll roads. Let's notgo backwards. Raise the tolls yourself or increase gasoline taxes. Better yet, cut spending. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From Today's Coaster...Are we getting closer?
stick this up your negative creep ass dan! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Work Continues on Asbury Park Beachfront Plan http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=1067 By ELLEN CARROLL A plan for Asbury Park's landmark Fifth Avenue Pavilion on the boardwalk, which includes the former Howard Johnson's restaurant, is 95 per cent complete, said Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners. We expect to submit the plan with enhancements for the Convention Hall, the Casino and the power plant and the Fifth Avenue Pavilion to a sub-committee (of the city) within two weeks, he said. Asbury Partners, the city's beachfront redeveloper, is partnering with the Washington D.C.-based Madison Marquette company on what a new beachfront will look like complete with shops and entertainment. Last summer Asbury Partners said it was partnering with the firm which will put together a plan for the boardwalk and the surrounding area. Madison Marquette was also going to discuss tenants for the buildings. At the time a formal presentation was expected in November. It did not take place. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno is upbeat about the beachfront future. They are very, very close to having this deal signed, Bruno said. The devil's in the details. Our sub-committee has met with the representatives of Madison Marquette within the last week and we are confident once these details are taken care of the contract will be signed, sealed and delivered. Fishman said the former Howard Johnson's will have a first class operator by the summer. Madison Marquette will also bring a plan to the City Council which will include an enhanced scope of work to retail on the boardwalk. There is an awful lot of work to consummate a deal of this size and includes thousands of pages of documents, Fishman said. Asbury Partners has said $6 million will be spent to renovate and refurbish the city's boardwalk pavilions. Many of them have been neglected over the years and are rapidly deteriorating. Meanwhile, progress continues on condominiums and townhomes along Wesley Lake and to the north of the Berkeley Cartertet. Occupants of Wesley Grove's first building, The St. James, are expected to begin moving in by the spring. Officials and city residents have been concerned, however, about the lack of progress on the retail and commercial components at the beachfront. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bamm Bamm's Friend
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It says in Bamm Bamm's obituary that one of his close friends he leaves behind is Duke Steffer. Wow. Small world. ~~~ I had a friend Vinnie tell me when they had WWrestling here in A/P at the Veterans Building off ~ of Lake Ave. he seen him Wrestle here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What's up Flappinator?
Yo, Bro' Wassup? The Millster let me claim her old crib and I got a new wat'r hole. I'm hangin' an' chilled. How's yer wimmens? (LOL - the typist is so, not, hoodsta' - just trying to be funny.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What's up Flappinator?
Everyone, I have a pet DUCK and this post was intended for a pet duck Yahoo group that I am a member of. Please do not take any offense from this post, the dialogue was supposed to be a post between two DUCKS (or owners thereof)!! I certainly didn't mean to post this in your group, nor did I mean to disrespect anyone. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo, Bro' Wassup? The Millster let me claim her old crib and I got a new wat'r hole. I'm hangin' an' chilled. How's yer wimmens? (LOL - the typist is so, not, hoodsta' - just trying to be funny.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mayors Against Illegal Guns
Dan, no fair! The only junket, I know of, is The League of Municipalities, which they should attend! They get some little honorarium, that you could put in a thimble and nothing else! With the huge problems, this town has, I'd vote, for full-time council members, if it were possible. Just my humble opinion! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: It looks like that most of these Mayors are fulltime Mayors. If this is their main job I can see them going. What if our Mayor had to work. Somehow time is found for the junkets in AC Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bamm Bamm's Friend
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It says in Bamm Bamm's obituary that one of his close friends he leaves behind is Duke Steffer. Wow. Small world. Tommy, I was told by a friend Vinnie when they had wrestling in the Veterans building A/P off ~ of Lake Ave. in wrestle there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] And AP lingers on
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