[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Madison Marquette Questions
Hello friends, Below are the questions readers have submitted for the Asbury Park Press editorial board to ask Madison Marquette's Gary Matolla on Monday. Still time to submit more if you wish. Gary - have you talked to these folks about a music Hall of Fame site? If not I'd like to help you put together a presentation. Here are the questions: Randy Bergmann said... Here are a few of the questions that have been e-mailed to me to ask Madison Marquette at Monday's editorial board meeting. Keep them coming: Is it true MM plans to have rides of sorts like in previous times? I know at a meeting they said there would be. But does that statement still hold true? Or was that just a statement to catch the public's attention? I'd like to see that type of atmosphere again. Blinking lights, signs, fun. Does MM have any plans of negotiating, or trying to reopen the part of Lake Ave that was closed off? Or are they statisfied with this change? Will the actual boardwalk itself be renovated in any fashion? I see renderings where the boardwalk looks very different in shape. The boardwalk had to be updated as part of the agreement by Oceanfront Asbury. Was it a fast job on purpose? Because in the long run, someone like MM would come along to update it? 11:40 AM, June 06, 2007 Anonymous said... 1. Up until the last decade or so, both the Paramount Theater and Convention Hall were able to buck the trend of the rest of the city and attract a fair amount of shows and concerts (gem shows, classic car shows, Metro Lyric Opera). Yet recently they have lain dormant to the detriment of both the city and region. What is Madison Marquette's plan to legitimately (meaning more than just a Stone Pony-style paint job) restore these two spaces and book shows that will actually attract sold-out audiences? Will they bring in an experienced promoter (like John Scher in the 70s) to book shows that would appeal to a wide audience? 2.) One thing that sets Asbury Park apart from other resorts like Seaside, Point Pleasant and Keansburg is the Kilgen pipe organ within Convention Hall. Is Madison Marquette aware of both its historic significance and commercial potential (free summer concerts and open windows bringing pedestrians in to vendors in the arcade) and what steps are the company taking to help restore the organ and put it back to full-time use? 3.) What exactly is the plan for the Casino? Will the carousel return? Will a new one be installed? 4.) Will the boardwalk/casino arcade be reconnected to Ocean Grove's boardwalk? And will Madison Marquette work with Ocean Grove on projects that could be mutually beneficial to both towns? 5.) Even in AP's darkest days, the beach was packed every Memorial Day weekend thanks to WNEW-FM's annual beach party and concert. Bearing in mind that station no longer exists, will Madison Marquette consider inviting another equally influential media outlet (radio/television) to host a similar event at the beginning of each beach season in order to attract customers to the boardwalk and the town in general? 6.) Asbury Park is woefully short on hotel rooms. Is Madison Marquette in a position to either restore former hotels like the Metropolitan or build new ones in order to attract both vacationers and small conventions that could fill Convention Hall? If yes, will they be real hotels and not another Flamingo? 7.) Asbury Park is also woefully short on parking, particularly on the south end of town. How will (or can) Madison Marquette address that as more retail and entertainment outlets open up? 8.) Will there be bathing pavilions with changing lockers (and possibly freshwater pool)? 9.) The town's dire financial straits have led to a we'll take what we can get mentality that has given us skate parks inside the former carousel house and strip clubs along Kingsley Avenue. What aesthetic steps will Madison Marquette take to prevent Asbury Park from becoming a clone of Seaside or Keansburg? 10.) Please address the rumors of moving the Stone Pony into the Casino, which would be akin to moving the Empire State Building to Staten Island. 11.) Asbury Park (and the shore in general) has long been home to a glut of rock music clubs fighting for the same audience. Will Madison Marquette diversify the market by opening clubs that cater to different genres? (R B, house, reggae, jazz, etc.) 12.) What provisions are Madison Marquette making to ensure that retail jobs (ride operators, projectionists, sales clerks) will go to qualified Asbury Park residents? 13.) This last one is not so much a question as a comment. The trend toward building condominiums in AP has been justified by the groundless axiom that the jet-age and the rise of Great Adventure conspired to kill the amusement-themed Asbury Park of old. Were this true, Point Pleasant and Seaside would have fallen on equally hard times. They did not. Please bear that in mind
[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
I don't know who this person is, but I can't understand why he/she feels the need to bash Gary here. Whoever you are, we don't care about your opinion, so make your attacks private, ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello friends, Below are the questions readers have submitted for the Asbury Park Press editorial board to ask Madison Marquette's Gary Matolla on Monday. Still time to submit more if you wish. == Where does one post these questions and is the meeting open to the public? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Greetings From Asbury Park
Hey all, I am posting this for a friend. Below are details about a screening of a movie that was shot in Asbury Park by an Asbury Park filmmaker. I have seen the documentary and it is amazing. It puts a face on eminent domain abuse in our own town and should be seen by all. (Also, donations are tax deductible and go to Woman Make Movies a 501 (C) (3) non profit media arts organization.) On Friday, June 22, 7:00pm at the Jersey Shore Arts Center in Ocean Grove, a special program marking the anniversary of Kelo Day, the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that broadly expanded the use of eminent domain for private development. Featured will be a panel discussion with Dana Berliner, litigator for the public-interest law firm the Institute for Justice and co- counsel on the Kelo vs. New London case. The program also features a call to action for a state-wide moratorium on eminent domain abuse, a special in-the-works screening of Greetings from Asbury Park, a documentary feature film by Asbury Park filmmaker Christina Eliopoulos, and an awards ceremony honoring state leaders. Reception and meet and greet with panelists and special guests to follow. Limited seating available. Tickets: $20 suggested donation ($10 for students and seniors).Reservations required. Please call 732 380 1592 Amy Quinn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
oh ok ole high and mighty hinge, u r the KING complainer. y dont ya just move back to keansburg. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know who this person is, but I can't understand why he/she feels the need to bash Gary here. Whoever you are, we don't care about your opinion, so make your attacks private, ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning out Religious Organizations a No No!!!
How come you left out the schools and the government owned properties in town. LIke the Prosecutors Office Building and the State Office Building??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello friends, Below are the questions readers have submitted for the Asbury Park Press editorial board to ask Madison Marquette's Gary Matolla on Monday. Still time to submit more if you wish. I did but it doesn't show up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Questions
Werner, Go to Randy's Blog at http://rbergmann.blogspot.com/ and at the bottom of his post about Madison Marquette you will see where you can click to leave a comment. You can leave your question there. If not, you can email Randy at rbergmann @ app.com. It is an editorial board meeting so I don't think it is open to the public. Take care. Tommy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Questions
I added a few to the blog. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another shooting
BREAKING NEWS: Shooter sought in death of city man Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 06/7/07 Story Chat Post Comment ASBURY PARK PRESS Monmouth County Prosecutor Luis A. Valentin said Gary Allen, 66, of Asbury Park, was shot and killed inside his apartment at 135 Borden Avenue at approximately 1:30 this morning. Asbury Park Police responded to the victim's home as a result of a 911 call. The victim was treated by first aid/paramedics before being pronounced dead at the scene, accordingto Valentin. Detectives from the Asbury Park Police Department and the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office are investigating the shooting. Valentin urged anyone with information regarding the shooting or the circumstances surrounding Allen's death to contact DetectiveLouis Zuppa of the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office at 800/ 533-7443 or Detective Jason LaRusso of the Asbury Park Police Department at 732/ 774-1300. Valentin stated It is of paramount importance that persons in thecommunity assist us in making their neighborhood a safer place by coming forward withwhat information they have regarding the death of Mr. Allen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Murder. Again.
66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
Sorry Dan, but i'm gonna stick my finger in the monkee cage for a moment. Forgive me. First off, you are obviously somebody who hasn't been here for awhile. You used to come here, but now you are back with a new name. Welcome. Secondly, I don't come from Keansburg. And i'm not the king complainer either. Please take a look at your only posts here before you call the kettle black. Finally, Gary is my friend and I am defending him from your crap. Have a nice day. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh ok ole high and mighty hinge, u r the KING complainer. y dont ya just move back to keansburg. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I don't know who this person is, but I can't understand why he/she feels the need to bash Gary here. Whoever you are, we don't care about your opinion, so make your attacks private, ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
I don't believe Keady is for cameras - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:50:07 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
I don't know what is stance on cameras is, but he definitely has been vocal about dealing with the social issues that plague our city. I don't know of anybody else in our cities government that has made a significant effort to publically deal with our problems. Dealing with them behind closed doors does nothing. Our city needs to be united against the crimes that hurt us, and we need a strong leader to take the helm, somebody who's name everybody in our city knows, that the media knows. At the moment, I don't think we have that person. I think that there is a whole subculture in our city that could care less about the laws that govern it. And once again, our new real estate will remain vacant until the public perceives AP as a safe place to live. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe Keady is for cameras - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:50:07 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http:// surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
Others have taken action. Recreation is up not only beacuse of Keady. We have more police too. Also these issues are not visible on the entire west side. The north west part I personally find to be the best right now in Asbury. As far as the south west side, I believe action has been taken. A redevelopment plan is in the works. I don't think people have forgotten about that side and how can you when the shootings are in the news so often. But lets face it, developing the waterfront is not easy with the constant shootings and market conditions. How do expect a developer to be sucessful on the south west? - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 4:06:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. I don't know what is stance on cameras is, but he definitely has been vocal about dealing with the social issues that plague our city. I don't know of anybody else in our cities government that has made a significant effort to publically deal with our problems. Dealing with them behind closed doors does nothing. Our city needs to be united against the crimes that hurt us, and we need a strong leader to take the helm, somebody who's name everybody in our city knows, that the media knows. At the moment, I don't think we have that person. I think that there is a whole subculture in our city that could care less about the laws that govern it. And once again, our new real estate will remain vacant until the public perceives AP as a safe place to live. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I don't believe Keady is for cameras - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:50:07 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside _ _ _ _ _ _ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http:// surveylink.yahoo. com/gmrs/ yahoo_panel_ invite.asp? a=7 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
Based on what I hear and read about the way people outside of AP view our city, I believe we need a vocal and visible leader in our city that is not only known to all, or as many as possible, citizens of AP, but we also need a strong PR campaign to both send a strong point to would be criminals that we won't tolerate their BS, as well as a strong PR campaign designed to inform non-AP residents who read about our woes in the APP etc that efforts are being made. I still believe our PD is doing a great job, but our city is still full of crime and I just don't believe enough is being done to combat it. Let's face it, people are wary of AP, but the criminal and gang element in AP isn't afraid of the law. I'm going to fall short of saying make AP a police state, but I just don't think there's a strong enough visibility of our PD in the city. We should have cops constantly posted at known crime areas. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Others have taken action. Recreation is up not only beacuse of Keady. We have more police too. Also these issues are not visible on the entire west side. The north west part I personally find to be the best right now in Asbury. As far as the south west side, I believe action has been taken. A redevelopment plan is in the works. I don't think people have forgotten about that side and how can you when the shootings are in the news so often. But lets face it, developing the waterfront is not easy with the constant shootings and market conditions. How do expect a developer to be sucessful on the south west? - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 4:06:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. I don't know what is stance on cameras is, but he definitely has been vocal about dealing with the social issues that plague our city. I don't know of anybody else in our cities government that has made a significant effort to publically deal with our problems. Dealing with them behind closed doors does nothing. Our city needs to be united against the crimes that hurt us, and we need a strong leader to take the helm, somebody who's name everybody in our city knows, that the media knows. At the moment, I don't think we have that person. I think that there is a whole subculture in our city that could care less about the laws that govern it. And once again, our new real estate will remain vacant until the public perceives AP as a safe place to live. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I don't believe Keady is for cameras - Original Message From: Hinge hinge98@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:50:07 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again. Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside _ _ _ _ _ _ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http:// surveylink.yahoo. com/gmrs/ yahoo_panel_ invite.asp? a=7
[AsburyPark] ACMs at Bangs School
Asbury's Bangs Avenue school closed due to asbestos Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 06/7/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH REPORTER ASBURY PARK School officials closed the 450-pupil Bangs Avenue Elementary School at the close of school today after a consultant's report stated a material that fell from a third-grade classroom ceiling last week contained asbestos. School Board Attorney Alan J. Schnirman said the children and about 90 staff members will have the day off Friday while Ahera Consultants of Oceanville do a further investigation of the entire building to see if there are other beams coated with asbestos as was the case in Room 320. Schnirman said the coated beam was above a dropped ceiling that had been installed at some unknown time. He said he received the report today and believed it came into the district on Wednesday. What happened was that something fell from the ceiling last week, and as a precaution, that piece was sent out to be examined,'' Schnirman said. We spoke to the county superintendent, and first we were trying to see if there were other buildings to transfer the staff and students to,'' he said. The answer at the moment was no.'' He said that results from Friday's inspection may not be available until Monday or Tuesday, so everything is up in the air as to whether the students will return to Bangs Avenue at some point next week because the contaminated area is contained, or if school will be over for the year. Schnirman said principals and vice principals will be on the school property Friday morning when parents bring children to school, but are trying to get the word out today. The Bangs Avenue School dates back to 1912 and was to be replaced with a new school building until the State Construction Corp. ran out of money and the Bangs Avenue project was put on hold. A district-wide science fair scheduled to be held at the Bangs Avenue gymnasium this evening was switched to the middle school cafeteria. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
listen hingy, i cant help it if gary's product is horrible and he is even a worse writer, and dude u r the king complaineru r on here everyday complaining about something, don't you get tired of being so negative? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Dan, but i'm gonna stick my finger in the monkee cage for a moment. Forgive me. First off, you are obviously somebody who hasn't been here for awhile. You used to come here, but now you are back with a new name. Welcome. Secondly, I don't come from Keansburg. And i'm not the king complainer either. Please take a look at your only posts here before you call the kettle black. Finally, Gary is my friend and I am defending him from your crap. Have a nice day. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: oh ok ole high and mighty hinge, u r the KING complainer. y dont ya just move back to keansburg. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I don't know who this person is, but I can't understand why he/she feels the need to bash Gary here. Whoever you are, we don't care about your opinion, so make your attacks private, ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Murder. Again.
u really dont know what you are talking about... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, cameras would help, just like they have in other cities. I truly believe that AP needs to become one city, not an east and west side. The social problems we have aren't just limited to the west side. In the past year that i've lived in AP, i've never seen so much disrespect for a community in my life. Build something new, and somebody will put graffiti on it. People rarely use our trash cans. And our city is plagued with low lifes who ride around on bicycles selling drugs, recruiting gang members, breaking into cars etc. There must be something wrong with our criminal justice system, because it's definitely not scaring the criminals away. There is also something deeply wrong with having AP focus it's redevelopment solely on the beach area. It sends the wrong message to all the other parts of Asbury that really need help, like Springwood. One area is being made into a playground for people of means, and the other is being ignored, and it's been ignored for decades. It's exactly the same thing that is wrong with Atlantic City...a strip of prosperity bordered by areas that have been a mess for decades, and those areas hardly benefit from the prosperity. I also think that Asbury lacks the leadership to fix it's problems. Some will get mad at this statement, but I truly believe that Jim Keady is the only person on board who's actually made a strong and visible effort to address our cities social problems. We need a strong leader to be visible and vocal about righting our problems. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 66 Years old. Crazy. Would cameras, placed in around town, help? The Springwood Ave redevelopment must be stepped up. What it would do, no one knows. Maybe a sense of community and light, hope for the westside Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Perfect Example of Bad Planning
Rant away rolemover I've said what I wanted to say and now i'm going to ignore you, just as everybody else will. I must say though, I like your new screen name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: listen hingy, i cant help it if gary's product is horrible and he is even a worse writer, and dude u r the king complaineru r on here everyday complaining about something, don't you get tired of being so negative? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Sorry Dan, but i'm gonna stick my finger in the monkee cage for a moment. Forgive me. First off, you are obviously somebody who hasn't been here for awhile. You used to come here, but now you are back with a new name. Welcome. Secondly, I don't come from Keansburg. And i'm not the king complainer either. Please take a look at your only posts here before you call the kettle black. Finally, Gary is my friend and I am defending him from your crap. Have a nice day. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: oh ok ole high and mighty hinge, u r the KING complainer. y dont ya just move back to keansburg. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I don't know who this person is, but I can't understand why he/she feels the need to bash Gary here. Whoever you are, we don't care about your opinion, so make your attacks private, ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: i dont mind listening to people with intelligence about asbury park, you gary are just not one of them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Hinge wrote: Gary, I give you permission to ignore the jackass who feels it's important to put you down here. I have a feeling it's somebody we know using a different name... The person felt so strong about this that he sent me a personal email where he says things like: 1) I've never lived in Asbury (that's true, I've only lived between 3 miles and 12 miles of Asbury my whole life) 2) You were never part of the music scene here till about 2 years ago. (it's funny when people like to think that... truth is I go back to 1986. I have no reason to put up a resume but it's funny how people who supposedly think they know want to believe that I just showed up rather than grew up in this area. I don't even characterize myself as part of the scene. I'm a writer that writes about the local scene among other things. I don't claim to be an expert on this or virtually anything. I do, however, believe that music tourism was practically gift wrapped to this town and the town failed and still fails to see just how easy it would be to make music tourism thrive for Asbury. 3) Nobody really cares what any of you (all 8 of you) on this board thinks or says. (and yet, apparently, he does care because he keeps coming back) He then tries asking simple questions to test my music history. Did I go to the Warped Tour, the WNEW shows, or have I ever seen Bruce live at the Stone Pony. * What I don't understand is what is the fascination that Asbury Park people have with ONLY having long-time Asbury residents have a say in anything? Sure I don't live in town (although I have worked in town and run a business in town) but these people don't want to listen to home owners who haven't been in Asbury longer than a decade or so. And others don't care what you say unless your parents lived in Asbury or you're 3rd generation Asbury. Doesn't that seem kind of ridiculous to you? Maybe if they didn't try so hard to restrict ideas from the outside world the city wouldn't be in the state it is today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning out Religious Organizations a No No!!!
In a message dated 6/7/2007 10:15:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How come you left out the schools and the government owned properties in town. LIke the Prosecutors Office Building and the State Office Building??? A different issue. (Besides, at least some of those you mention above bring daytime traffic beneficial to commerce.) Your post about Titusville, which had a blanket prohibition against religious organizations, implied that that situation was analogous to ours in Asbury Park. The case has already been made that Asbury Park has always outdone neighboring communities in providing social services, private or public, to those who need them. The case that has not been made -- Why can't the disproportionate number of mainstream churches, already here, minister to the hungry and the homeless? Let them unlock their doors at night. What we don't need is another mission building, third rate and run by out-of-towners with no proven track record or credentials. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyParkGLH/database?query=mariosubmit=Searchmethod=reportRowstbl=3) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
