[AsburyPark] Hallelujah
ASBURY PARK State Superior Court Judge Lawrence Lawson has ruled against a Morristown gospel rescue mission that has tried for at least three years to open a 40-bed homeless shelter in Asbury Park. Lawson, sitting in Freehold, upheld the Asbury Park Zoning Board of Adjustment's decision last fall not to allow Market Street Mission to open a large regional facility on Memorial Drive. The zoning board had said that rather than helping the city's own homeless, the mission could cycle more than 1,000 men a year, possibly up to 1,400, into the city with no programs in place to help most of them. Market Street planned to have a small number of the men join its long-term life-change program for drug and alcohol addicts, but most of the beds would be filled by homeless individuals who could stay up to seven nights but would be put out on the street each morning to find jobs or programs. The Asbury Park facility was to be called the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. The zoning board considered the shelter three separate times and said in the end the mission was too large in scope and too small in programming. The zoners' decision came after a series of hearings in 2007 and after a local group called Stand Up For Asbury had organized and appealed an earlier approval. ''Here, there will be an increase in men loitering on the streets, an increase in the male homeless population in Asbury Park, and it will significantly burden the city,'' Lawson wrote in his opinion, dated Aug. 26, and obtained today. The judge said it was not good to have the men ''roam the streets during the day and after the program is over.'' He said many of the men cycled into the facility would be left homeless in Asbury Park ''with no way to get back to their respective towns.'' The mission is disappointed but not defeated,'' said its lawyer, Brendan Judge. The mission has the right to appeal Judge Lawson's decision and I will be speaking to my client about that topic.'' Paul Vail, an Asbury Park property owner who helped lead the Stand Up For Asbury group, said the people of Asbury Park and the city of Asbury Park have prevailed against an organization that wanted to do harm to the city.'' ''The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men,'' Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury.'' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Note to Paul Vail
Paul I'm happy about the Shelter ruling. Nice job and I hope it sticks. However, I DID NOT sign on as a supporter of Stand Up of Asbury to fight against anyone's Christianity. That was never presented to me as a problem with the Mission. I wasn't told that and I certainly would not have donated had I been told that. I didn't see that in any of your literature. All I knew was that the Mission was going to release criminals, including child molesters, onto the streets at 7 am when children were walking to school. Please don't make a pronoucement that the fight was against Christianity. If that's what the fight was about, please tell me now and I'll respectfully request a refund. If you just misspoke, say so and all is forgiven. You know I'm a fan of yours and I hope you run for City Council in May. I'll say right now that I'll support you. I just can't in anyway be confused with a fight against Chritianity. Judge upholds shelter ruling By Nancy Shields COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU September 4, 2008 ASBURY PARK Superior Court Judge Lawrence M. Lawson has ruled against a Morristown gospel rescue mission that has tried for at least three years to open a 40-bed homeless shelter in Asbury Park. Lawson, sitting in Freehold, upheld the Asbury Park Zoning Board of Adjustment's decision last fall denying Market Street Mission's plans to open a large regional facility. The board had said that rather than help the city's own homeless, the mission could cycle more than 1,000 men a year into the city with virtually no programs in place to help most of them. Market Street planned to have a small number of the men join its long- term life-change program for recovering drug and alcohol abusers, but most of the beds would be filled by homeless people who could stay up to seven nights but would be out on the street each morning to find jobs or programs. The zoning board considered the shelter three separate times and made its decision last fall, determining Market Street's plan was too large in numbers and too small in programming. That decision came after a local group called Stand Up For Asbury organized and appealed an earlier approval by the zoners. Here, there will be an increase in men loitering on the streets, an increase in the male homeless population in Asbury Park, and it will significantly burden the city, Lawson wrote in his opinion, dated Aug. 26, and obtained Wednesday. The judge said it was not good to have the men roam the streets during the day and after the program is over. He said many of the men cycled into the facility would be left homeless in Asbury Park with no way to get back to their respective towns. The mission is disappointed but not defeated, said its lawyer, Brendan Judge. The mission has the right to appeal Judge Lawson's decision, and I will be speaking to my client about that topic. Paul Vail, an Asbury Park property owner who helped lead the Stand Up For Asbury group, said the people of Asbury Park and the city of Asbury Park have prevailed against an organization that wanted to do harm to the city. The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men, Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury. Some of Stand Up For Asbury's first arguments focused on the mission's site on Memorial Drive between Asbury and Sewall avenues as being too close to a city school and some nearby residences. The mission opened for a brief period in 2007 but was forced to close after the city zoners decided against it in October. City Manager Terence Reidy issued a cease and desist order, and Judge Lawson backed him up. Supporters of the mission who spoke during the hearings often expressed their frustration as to why anyone would oppose a shelter for the homeless. They said they wanted Asbury Park to be the city for the homeless as well as newer, wealthier residents. But zoning board members said the city had done and continues to do more than its share, with many social agencies located in the city. Board members asked why the shelter could not be located in a neighboring town such as Deal, Ocean Township, Belmar or Spring Lake. Of the 40 beds, 10 would be used by men who stay for a six-to-12- month period in the gospel rescue mission's program. Twenty-seven beds would be for the men staying up to seven nights. Three would be for staff. There is a significant risk that those with criminal backgrounds will be welcomed into the mission programs, the judge wrote in the decision. There is also no oversight of the program since the facility is not licensed by the state. Lawson said the mission had not shown it could reduce the detrimental effects of operating. They have not stated how they will reduce the number of homeless people in
[AsburyPark] Re: Note to Paul Vail
In fairness, there is nothing in the posted article that suggests to me, as a reader, Mr. Vail was fighting against Christianity. Here is the line to which I assume you were referring: The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men, Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury. I took the phrase their brand of Christianity as an indictment of the Mission members' interpretation of a religion that, like all others, has long been interpreted by different people through different lenses for different purposes. i.e. Oscar Romero and Jerry Falwell arguably practiced different brands of the same religion. One could comment on each brand without necessarily commenting on the religion as a whole. Just my metered 2 cents. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Metropolitan site,,,,
Now that the building is gone, the NEW for sale sign reads This property NOW for sale or words to that, vs the old for sale sign... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Note to Paul Vail
In fairness, there is nothing in the posted article that suggests to me, as a reader, Mr. Vail was fighting against Christianity. Here is the line to which I assume you were referring: The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men, Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury. I took the phrase their brand of Christianity as an indictment of the Mission members' interpretation of a religion that, like all others, has long been interpreted by different people through different lenses for different purposes. i.e. Oscar Romero and Jerry Falwell arguably practiced different brands of the same religion. One could comment on each brand without necessarily commenting on the religion as a whole. Just my metered 2 cents. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that the building is gone, the NEW for sale sign reads This property NOW for sale or words to that, vs the old for sale sign... Still have no clue as to what the reasoning is behind leaving the motel portion standing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Note to Paul Vail
Sandpiper your comment confirms for me that the reader might think the fight was in some way about Christianity. That's not what Stand Up For Asbury was about. I certainly expressed my concern about the non-profit status of the church when they wanted to profit by selling cars. That's about taxes and church administration, not one's interpretation of Christ. I was not on board with any disagreement over their Christianity, regardless of the Brand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fairness, there is nothing in the posted article that suggests to me, as a reader, Mr. Vail was fighting against Christianity. Here is the line to which I assume you were referring: The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men, Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury. I took the phrase their brand of Christianity as an indictment of the Mission members' interpretation of a religion that, like all others, has long been interpreted by different people through different lenses for different purposes. i.e. Oscar Romero and Jerry Falwell arguably practiced different brands of the same religion. One could comment on each brand without necessarily commenting on the religion as a whole. Just my metered 2 cents. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still have no clue as to what the reasoning is behind leaving the motel portion standing. It's easier to rebuild with something standing then nothing. Setbacks, zoning etc. If it's existing or partially, you can get more then you would if you start from scratch. What you have would be an addition to an existing structure. At least that's what I think. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still have no clue as to what the reasoning is behind leaving the motel portion standing. Not to reward the owner for letting the buildings deteriorate. The site is zoned exclusivly for hotel use. The older portion posed a safety hazard and the city forced the building owner to demolish it. The newer portion is not a hazard. I am sure he would like to be able to demolish it as well and have the site rezoned. This is why you need tough preservation laws. We seem to have no preservation laws. You can stop someone from demolishing something but generally you cannot force them to maintain it. That can and should be changed. That owner got away with murder. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
Some said this before, but I don't know how true it is. Maybe because the motel part is built so close to the road that it's worth leaving? Meaning if you were to start from nothing, you'd never be able to build that close again. I don't know. Also, even though the motel part may not look good, I bet it's in great shape considering. It's cost efficient sometimes to renovate and add onto something, over starting from nothing. Money, Time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NEW MENU AT RESTAURANT PLAN B
Restaurant Plan B at 705 Cookman Ave.. is now offering prix fixe menu tuesday-friday...4:30-6:30pm 25.00 4 course dinner... ALSO BRUNCH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY starting at 10am Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
The owner (that's what he said he was atleast) was selling a few things a month ago and I asked him about it. He said they still were using the garage for storage. They knocked down the old part because it was a hazard but will be knocking the rest down this fall. Who knows if that's true... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some said this before, but I don't know how true it is. Maybe because the motel part is built so close to the road that it's worth leaving? Meaning if you were to start from nothing, you'd never be able to build that close again. I don't know. Also, even though the motel part may not look good, I bet it's in great shape considering. It's cost efficient sometimes to renovate and add onto something, over starting from nothing. Money, Time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Note to Paul Vail
I also didn't read it as fighting against Christianity Tom but also could understand how you might take it that way. I read it as them saying their objective was to help the homeless when the actual goal was to circulate a large number of homeless through the system so they could find a small few that would sign up for their program, tossing the all the others aside for Asbury Park to deal with. That said, I'm sure Paul will clarify his intent far better than any of us can. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandpiper your comment confirms for me that the reader might think the fight was in some way about Christianity. That's not what Stand Up For Asbury was about. I certainly expressed my concern about the non-profit status of the church when they wanted to profit by selling cars. That's about taxes and church administration, not one's interpretation of Christ. I was not on board with any disagreement over their Christianity, regardless of the Brand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: In fairness, there is nothing in the posted article that suggests to me, as a reader, Mr. Vail was fighting against Christianity. Here is the line to which I assume you were referring: The more we looked into it, it was clear this mission's larger aim was not to help poor struggling men, Vail said. They were looking to put people into their evangelical program to convert them to their brand of Christianity, and all the other men were to be discarded on the streets of Asbury. I took the phrase their brand of Christianity as an indictment of the Mission members' interpretation of a religion that, like all others, has long been interpreted by different people through different lenses for different purposes. i.e. Oscar Romero and Jerry Falwell arguably practiced different brands of the same religion. One could comment on each brand without necessarily commenting on the religion as a whole. Just my metered 2 cents. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
That sounds like it could be true. There always seemed to be a lot of stuff in the garages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
