[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, let's be realistic.
 In order to create a vacant lot, wouldn't you first have to move 
all the people out?
 If you could do that, couldn't you also repopulate with more 
responsible people?
 Wouldn't that also mean enforcing management that doesn't tolerate 
illegal activity?
 I live right around the corner from that building. If properly 
taken care of, it wouldn't be 
 so bad. It's run down currently, but a bit of TLC could make it 
into something nice.
 Wouldn't that be better then an empty lot?
 I'd rather see viable housing then a vacant lot. The vacant lots 
are kinda depressing.
 
 

Its just not reasonable that a developer would be willing to spend so 
much money to rehabilitate such a large and run down structure... I 
would imagine the rooms are small and the layout is outdated.  In 
most cases like this, its cheaper to knock it down and start from 
scratch.

If you clear all of the people out, and rehabilitate it, and still 
sell it as affordable housing, the developer loses money, so why take 
on the project in the first place... the only way a rehab would work 
is if the rents are increased and the rooms turned into expensive 
units... and I cant imagine the building is suited for that.  
Elevators, corridor widths, ceiling heights, plumbing, electrical, 
fire protection, among countless other things would need to be 
replaced and retrofitted to meet codes and standards of luxury... it 
just wouldnt make sense to rehab this structure... 

So the choice really comes down to either leaving the building as use 
as a walk up street pharmacy or demolish it to improve the value and 
quality of life for properties surrounding it.




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[AsburyPark] Re: YES

2008-09-25 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Almost - Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Alan White. Missing is Rick 
Wakeman and elfin singer Jon Anderson
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  November 15 at the Paramount.
  
  tix on friday.
 


Its a shame that the band couldn't wait a few months until Jon Anderson 
gets better and can tour with them... I guess they figured they could 
follow in the footsteps of Journey, Boston, and other bands who are 
replacing their singers with tribute band voices.




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[AsburyPark] Re: YES

2008-09-25 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Its a shame that the band couldn't wait a few months until Jon Anderson
 gets better and can tour with them... 

The clocks ticking. Play while u can.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread sharon_b283
For SOME folk, if it ain't NYC, we might as well be Mayberry!  No
smarts, no common sense, like NONE of us attended a school of higher
learning.  So why are so many artsy people, escaping here, driving
up taxes and increasing the infrastructure?  OOps!  I forgot; Some of
us can read and count out fingers AND our toes!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 AP isn't a small town! It's where the city meets the sea!
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Easy girl! I don't want this plan either.
 
  But someone on this board accused we small town American folk of a
  lack of intellectualism. At the same time, she referred to the plan
  as us taking on debt.
 
  It's not a debt purchase, it's an asset purchase.
 
  Just because I don't like the plan doesn't give me permission to
  mislabel it.
 
  I just wanted to prove a point to the intellectualist who demeaned
  my fellow Americans (like you and me).
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
  wrote:
  
   You're saying all that to say what? Just read what the 700B
  bailout
   would mean in Paulson's words!
  
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-
  bailo_n_128294.html
  
   Read the 32 words, that this THIEF wants to ram down our already
   parched dry throats! Each of us would be liable for $2300 of this
   700B dollar debt, with no guarantees of any returns. Great deal
  for
   us, huh? Keep the legalese, just give me plain talk!
   We're not buying assets, he's unloading a horde of failures with no
   questions asked!
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
According to the enabling legislation for Paulson's plan, we are
buying assets.
   
We are going to sell Treasury Bonds to fund it, but that's not a
  debt
unless the assets we are buying don't cover.
   
To say we are buying debts of the mortgagees is a terrible
  misnomer
of the plan.
   
Here's the plan:
   
   
Published: September 20, 2008
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR TREASURY AUTHORITY
   
TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS
   
Section 1. Short Title.
   
This Act may be cited as .
   
Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.
   
(a) Authority to Purchase.--The Secretary is authorized to
  purchase,
and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and
conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related
  assets
from any financial institution having its headquarters in the
  United
States.
   
(b) Necessary Actions.--The Secretary is authorized to take such
actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the
  authorities
in this Act, including, without limitation:
   
(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out
  the
authorities in this Act and defining their duties;
   
(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services
authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code,
  without
regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;
   
(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of
  the
Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties
  related
to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be
  required
of them;
   
(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to
  supervision
by the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue
obligations; and
   
(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be
  necessary
or appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of
  this
Act.
   
Sec. 3. Considerations.
   
In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary
shall take into consideration means for--
   
(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the
  financial
markets or banking system; and
   
(2) protecting the taxpayer.
   
Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.
   
Within three months of the first exercise of the authority
  granted in
section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall
  report
to the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways
  and
Means of the House of Representatives and the Committees on the
Budget, Finance, and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the
Senate with respect to the authorities exercised under this Act
  and
the considerations required by section 3.
   
Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.
   
(a) Exercise of Rights.--The Secretary may, at any time,
  exercise any
rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets
  purchased
under this Act.
   
(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary shall
  have
authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this
  Act,
including revenues and portfolio risks 

[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread maubddny
Werner.. it is you who should think before you type.  You're a pompous 
ass who's got lots of ideas backed up by lots of hot air.  Judging 
from the condition of your home, you are used to living like an 
animal.  When you clean up your home and your act, then you can start 
preaching. From where I stand, you would fit in perfectly in the 
Virgina Apartment!





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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread juicy jenn
Someone should contact the historical society and have them go through the 
places, before someone starts selling all the stuff on ebay, for instance, the 
carbon arc light movie projectors, which should be saved, since it seems that 
the developers have no use for the buildings..


  



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[AsburyPark] Tax Ratables

2008-09-25 Thread dsher4
I have made this point on this board a few times and I'm tired of 
repeating but here we go again.  

The tax deficit is millions and a few apt buildings will not come 
close in closing that gap relative to the blight that they 
represent for people looking to visit this town.  

Secondly, the meters that were put in (that generated approx 50k as 
i read in the first month - and i initially argued against them) 
will dwarf on an annual basis what the ratables of a few slum 
buildings generate.  Those meters have people parking in front of 
them because they are starting to feel safe coming here.  We don't 
want to lose that momentum by continuing to harbor people who are 
involved in illegal activity and also pose a possible threat to 
townspeople and visitors alike.  Fixing up a dump is a band aid, not 
the best use of space and i don't want to have to worry about my 
kids riding their bicycles past drug addicts and pushers.  

The above argument does not include all the other revenue that comes 
to the town as people feel safe.  Downtown cookman, oyster fest, 
increasing beach patrons and the taxes paid by each and every new 
store opening up etc... 

You want to take care of these places, start enforcing code on the 
slum lords who will sell them when that happens and knock down the 
ones in the redevelopment zone.  They provide nothing, stop kidding 
yourselves. Their economic tax benefit is dwarfed by what they 
portray and signify.   

Lastly, every single person who has any interest in this town should 
thank their lucky stars that Madison Marquette is here.  We are in 
one of the worst credit crunches in the history of this country when 
almost no commercial developer has access to new credit (Let's not 
debate who's fault it is on this board, for the sake of this post 
lets agree it a reality).  MM from what i know has a stable balance 
sheet and has already spent many millions.  I hope they do well 
because if they pull out, this town will have a serious hiccup with 
not many new developers lining up as you would expect (at least 
for a while).  

I pay taxes in this town and would gladly see them raised by a few 
hundred dollars or more if i could be assured that every drug 
building that is being used for illigal activity was brought to 
task. 

Dan S.  




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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner.. it is you who should think before you type.  You're a pompous 
 ass who's got lots of ideas backed up by lots of hot air.  Judging 
 from the condition of your home, you are used to living like an 
 animal.  When you clean up your home and your act, then you can start 
 preaching. From where I stand, you would fit in perfectly in the 
 Virgina Apartment!

=

Big talk for someone hiding behind an anonymous id. Too bad  personal, 
ad-homonym BS 
is all you have. If 'I dont like it - tear it down'... is the extent of 
your vision for Asbury 
Park I can only congratulate you in your ignorance.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread asburycouple
And Werner congratulations to you for your arrogance and hypocrasy 
(throwing stones at others for atleast attempting to improve things 
while refusing to improve your own eye-sore)


 
 Big talk for someone hiding behind an anonymous id. Too bad  
personal, ad-homonym BS 
 is all you have. If 'I dont like it - tear it down'... is the 
extent of your vision for Asbury 
 Park I can only congratulate you in your ignorance.
 
 Werner






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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And Werner congratulations to you for your arrogance and hypocrasy 
 (throwing stones at others for atleast attempting to improve things 
 while refusing to improve your own eye-sore)
 
=

Kindly sent a check for $55,000 to the aforementioned 'eye-sore'

Thank You for your concern and consideration.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread asburycouple
Funny Werner, I've never heard you offer to pay the cost other's would 
incur to do things your way on the structures you do not own...  So I 
guess because you have to pay to fix your house you have an excuse, but 
nobody else gets to use that one, huh.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
wrote:
 
  And Werner congratulations to you for your arrogance and hypocrasy 
  (throwing stones at others for atleast attempting to improve things 
  while refusing to improve your own eye-sore)
  
 =
 
 Kindly sent a check for $55,000 to the aforementioned 'eye-sore'
 
 Thank You for your concern and consideration.
 
 Werner






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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Funny Werner, I've never heard you offer to pay the cost other's would 
 incur to do things your way on the structures you do not own...  So I 
 guess because you have to pay to fix your house you have an excuse, but 
 nobody else gets to use that one, huh.

==
 
What the hell are you talking about ? 

Doing things my way ???

You are disturbed or misinformed.

Werner

(PS - Who are you anyway, easy to talk without an identity.)




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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread asburycouple
Of course you're either joking or dillusional.  I've never seen 
anyone so quick to tell the world that what someone else has paid to 
do is wrong.  From lighting to landscaping to building color and 
construction you do nothing but criticize the efforts of the 
investents being made while investing nothing in your own personal 
disaster area.  I don't agree with everything that has been done but 
who (other than yourself) would ever expect to.  But I also disagree 
with someone who has so much time to spend crapping on everyone 
else's investments while making none of their own.  




  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
wrote:
 
  Funny Werner, I've never heard you offer to pay the cost other's 
would 
  incur to do things your way on the structures you do not own...  
So I 
  guess because you have to pay to fix your house you have an 
excuse, but 
  nobody else gets to use that one, huh.
 
 ==
  
 What the hell are you talking about ? 
 
 Doing things my way ???
 
 You are disturbed or misinformed.
 
 Werner
 
 (PS - Who are you anyway, easy to talk without an identity.)






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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread Gabrielle Obre

 But someone on this board accused we small town American folk of a 
 lack of intellectualism.  At the same time, she referred to the plan 
 as us taking on debt.
 
 It's not a debt purchase, it's an asset purchase.
 
 Just because I don't like the plan doesn't give me permission to 
 mislabel it.
 
 I just wanted to prove a point to the intellectualist who demeaned 
 my fellow Americans (like you and me).
 


This is a hoot, I think I just got called four eyes on the
playground. i don't know when intellectual curiosity became something
to make fun of (outside a grammar school p-ground) but call me four
eyes all you want.  and since i grew up here i must be small town
folk as well.  

i don't know if its asset or debt.  people a lot smarter than me are
calling it debt. so is jersey john who called me an elitist.  he also
called me something - licious, which sounded kinda hot...the
snobington bit name made my sister laugh so hard she almost popped her
c-section stitches.

so i picked up Emerson's Nature today (is it elitist to read great
American thinkers?) I wanted to share this.  Its from the intro..

Our age is retrospective. It builds the sepulchres of the fathers. It
writes biographies, histories, and criticism. The foregoing
generations beheld God and nature face to face; we, through their
eyes. Why should not we also enjoy an original relation to the
universe? Why should not we have a poetry and philosophy of insight
and not of tradition, and a religion by revelation to us, and not the
history of theirs? Embosomed for a season in nature, whose floods of
life stream around and through us, and invite us by the powers they
supply, to action proportioned to nature, why should we grope among
the dry bones of the past, or put the living generation into
masquerade out of its faded wardrobe? The sun shines to-day also.
There is more wool and flax in the fields. There are new lands, new
men, new thoughts. Let us demand our own works and laws and worship.

So what he's lamenting is our laziness in not creating new ideas, new
ways of thinking. We are capable of it, we just don't do it.  Reign in
your reactionary republican Tommy, your a thinker. Thinking Americans
are more dangerous to the status quo than non thinking.  Thinking
Americans freak out when they read Paulson's 32 words.

So anyone want to think about Asbury's Budget?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
 So anyone want to think about Asbury's Budget?

===

Hopeless, Gabrielle.

I've tried to get folks talking/thinking about our economic situation for 
several YEARS

Clearly the majority of the group participants are unarmed to do so.

Declarations of:

- its better than it was
- I like the way it looks
- at least they're doing something
- go fix your house

Hopeless

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Fwd: RESTAURANT PLAN B HAPPENINGS

2008-09-25 Thread jmh118


 
  

 From: Restaurantplanb
To: JMH118
Sent: 9/25/2008 6:54:27 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time
Subj: RESTAURANT PLAN B HAPPENINGS



 
Dear Friends and Family
 
Wow, I can't believe it is fall and October is  right around the corner.  
Things here in Asbury Park and Restaurant  Plan B are as exciting as ever.  
Take 
out your calendars and make  notes.. you are not going to want to miss any of 
these activities.   They are all going to be spectacular.
 
In date order
 
October 4th, I am so excited to announce that we  are hosting at Restaurant 
Plan B The New Jersey Gay  Men's  Choir.  They will be doing a special 
performance starting at 7:30  pm.  Make your reservations for dinner and come 
enjoy 
this amazing  group!
 
October 11th we are hosting Keith Calmes,  an extraordinary classical 
guitarist.  Luis and I were blown  away last time he graced us with his music.
 
October 17th is a new Night of Arts Event in  Asbury Park called... 
Collide-A-Scope.. It is a city wide interactive  art festival, taking place 
every 3rd 
Friday of the Month... October 17th  is the first.  We will have live body 
painting in our front  window... its going to be amazing
 
October 30th, along with Paranormal Books, we  are hosting at the restaurant 
a Dessert, Coffee( tea for those who like  tea), Seance... it is going to be 
insane...Space is VERY limited so call  the Restaurant at 732-807-4710 or 
Paranormal Books at 732-455-3188 for  reservations.
 
October 31st... A HUGE Halloween Parade...and  Halloween Block  Party... this 
is a must do... I will keep you  posted on the times and they become 
finalized.
 
Don't forget on your visit to Restaurant Plan  B... walk two stores down and 
visit the every exciting Crybaby Art  Gallery. Saturday September 27th Crybaby 
is having their annual Bowling  Pin Art Exhibit held at Asbury Lanes on 4th 
Ave.  October  18th will be an art installation opening by the artist  Bask.
 
DO NOT FORGET WE NOW OFFER A PRIX  FIXE Tuesday-Friday $25.00 4 Course  
Dinner...
Brunch is now being served Saturday and  Sunday starting at 10am
 
Remember to shop and dine in  downtown Asbury Park... the wind doesn't blow 
so hard...and  parking is still free. 
 
See you around town
 
 
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[AsburyPark] relocating

2008-09-25 Thread David Clement
 
Hello all
 
 My name is David Clement and I am thinking about moving to the asbury park 
area. For those who might remember me, I am the guy who was thinking about 
starting poetry venue in Asbury Park. Anyway, I am looking for a 3 bedroom 
apartment at a reasonable price in a decent neighborhood. Also I work as a 
Substance Abuse Counselor so I will be looking for work in the area
 
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance
 
Sincerely
David C.


  

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[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers spotlights JOHNNY CASH on Sunday

2008-09-25 Thread lightgrw
Twisted Covers returns to the Twisted Tree Cafe this Sunday with a 
spotlight on the career of Johnny Cash.  We'll be remembering the fifth 
anniversary of The Man In Black's passing with a stellar lineup of 
artists.   Scheduled to perform are such artists as Michael Patrick, Jon 
Caspi, George Wirth, Michael Brett, Keith McCarthy, Dave Tucker, the 
Basement Musicians, and many more!

Artists perform two covers by Johnny Cash and then one of their own 
originals.  It's a great way to see artists in the area that you may 
have heard about but haven't seen yet.  And since the show is open to 
all ages, families are always welcome.

Show is scheduled to begin at 5pm and should run until around 9pm or 
so.   Admission is free.  So come out to the Twisted Tree Cafe on 
Cookman Avenue this Sunday and see some of the area's best musicians!




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[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane

2008-09-25 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Big talk for someone hiding behind an anonymous id. Too bad  
personal, ad-homonym BS 
 is all you have. If 'I dont like it - tear it down'... is the 
extent of your vision for Asbury 
 Park I can only congratulate you in your ignorance.
 

This is an internet forum... If someone doesn't want to reveal their 
name or their identity, then thats their choice to protect their 
privacy.  None of us are in charge and are responsible for anything 
done in Asbury Park, so dont be so friggen critical when someone has an 
opinion of something here... because even if you think its a stupid 
opinion, that opinion is having no affect on whats going on at the 
beachfront. If you have a problem with something, go to the source... 
and if the source ignores you, and theres nothing you can do, then let 
it go. Because its a city were talking about here... and most of it is 
already




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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 This is a hoot, I think I just got called four eyes on the
 playground. i don't know when intellectual curiosity became 
something
 to make fun of (outside a grammar school p-ground) but call me four
 eyes all you want.  and since i grew up here i must be small town
 folk as well.  

It wasn't elitism I was accusing you of - it was hypocrisy.  

You posted a lament about most of America not being intellectual (I 
don't have to call you elitist - you're doing it to yourself).

In your post lamenting that others don't read and think about issues 
of the day as well as you, you spoke of the bank bailout, and got the 
most basic provision of it dead wrong.

So in a post where you ridicule others for not reading and thinking, 
you proved you've not read or thought about the very topic you were 
brought up to show up the rest of us.

That's hypocritical.


 i don't know if its asset or debt.  

And for not knowing, shall I ridicule you?  Accuse you of being an 
anti-intellectual?  Claim a superiority over you?

No.  None of that's true.  If I claimed I was smarter than you, or 
that you were just plain anti-intellectual, I'd be the hypocrite.

 so i picked up Emerson's Nature today (is it elitist to read great
 American thinkers?) 

There you go again.  Do you assert the rest of us here don't read?


Reign in
 your reactionary republican Tommy, 

Have you been reading Time Magazine?  According to them as a 
Republican I have on a genetic level a bigger startle reflex and have 
a stronger response to threats.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1842523,00.html


 So anyone want to think about Asbury's Budget?

No.  Of all the things in the world I have to think about, Asbury's 
budget isn't going to make it in the top 1000 for me.

Plus, it's no mystery.  Police, fire and public works make up almost 
the entirety of your discretionary spedning, and everyone wants them 
increased, not cut.

Almost all of the rest of the budget is mandatory spending the City 
has no control of.

What's to discuss?





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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread Gabrielle Obre

Have you been reading Time Magazine? According to them as a
Republican I have on a genetic level a bigger startle reflex and have
a stronger response to threats.
 


this is the only thing i want to reply to at the moment...i have had
some yummy red wine...but i think this really just means that your
reptilian reflexes are in working order.  dont' you think we could use
more frontal lobe activity?






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[AsburyPark] Re: Consequences from Wall Street to Asbury Park

2008-09-25 Thread Jack Pitzer
I have to agree with Gabrielle.
The other day, I saw an absurd iReport article on the CNN website.
It was about a large scale online protest because Facebook changed their layout.
It featured a geeky kid interviewing an even more geeky kid, who was organizing 
a 
Facebook page to protest Facebook.
The article contained page after page of comments, many for kids who defended 
the 
geeks, and lamented that it's refreshing to talk about this instead of wars, 
the economy, 
the election etc.
Those who said that the defenders should get a life were attacked by saying 
that the 
original geek that started this crap was great, and that Facebook has helped 
their lives immensely.
And that's our future. I wish us luck.
Personally, I think there are way too many of us who think less with our heads 
and are just 
plain lazy by being blindly loyal members to groups with labels like democrat, 
republican, 
liberal and conservative
It's about time we stop limiting ourselves and stop letting the labels rule us.
Finally, it's absurd that we actually think that a credit based society is a 
good thing.
China is kicking our ass. Most of us don't know that in China, virtually the 
whole country 
pays for every single thing with cash. When they go to buy a car, they show up 
with cash.
Visa and Mastercard are failing in their attempt to enter the Chinese market. 
We could use 
some of that logic here, and we'd all benefit if we weren't so obsessed with 
stuff and 
started living within our means.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre 
 gabrielleobre@ wrote:
  
  
  This is a hoot, I think I just got called four eyes on the
  playground. i don't know when intellectual curiosity became 
 something
  to make fun of (outside a grammar school p-ground) but call me four
  eyes all you want.  and since i grew up here i must be small town
  folk as well.  
 
 It wasn't elitism I was accusing you of - it was hypocrisy.  
 
 You posted a lament about most of America not being intellectual (I 
 don't have to call you elitist - you're doing it to yourself).
 
 In your post lamenting that others don't read and think about issues 
 of the day as well as you, you spoke of the bank bailout, and got the 
 most basic provision of it dead wrong.
 
 So in a post where you ridicule others for not reading and thinking, 
 you proved you've not read or thought about the very topic you were 
 brought up to show up the rest of us.
 
 That's hypocritical.
 
 
  i don't know if its asset or debt.  
 
 And for not knowing, shall I ridicule you?  Accuse you of being an 
 anti-intellectual?  Claim a superiority over you?
 
 No.  None of that's true.  If I claimed I was smarter than you, or 
 that you were just plain anti-intellectual, I'd be the hypocrite.
 
  so i picked up Emerson's Nature today (is it elitist to read great
  American thinkers?) 
 
 There you go again.  Do you assert the rest of us here don't read?
 
 
 Reign in
  your reactionary republican Tommy, 
 
 Have you been reading Time Magazine?  According to them as a 
 Republican I have on a genetic level a bigger startle reflex and have 
 a stronger response to threats.
 
 http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1842523,00.html
 
 
  So anyone want to think about Asbury's Budget?
 
 No.  Of all the things in the world I have to think about, Asbury's 
 budget isn't going to make it in the top 1000 for me.
 
 Plus, it's no mystery.  Police, fire and public works make up almost 
 the entirety of your discretionary spedning, and everyone wants them 
 increased, not cut.
 
 Almost all of the rest of the budget is mandatory spending the City 
 has no control of.
 
 What's to discuss?







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