[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The one off base is you - condescending attitude (please), making up motivations (boogeymen) and attributing them to me, State policies encourage Open Government - thats a fact, not theories of 'boogeymen'. What exactly was the fear (in your mind or the committee's) to having the public witness your deliberations? Since the public was excluded from 'sitting-in' how does that instill confidence in the process? Were minutes taken? Are they available? Why do you think keeping the public out as observers was in the best interests of Asbury Park? Was something confidential discussed? Did you have to sign a confidentiality agreement? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: Werner please, I can tell you personally that opening up to the public was at the forefront of every meeting of the committee. First we had to come to our own consensus of where we thought we should go before we opened it up to the public. We have and now its time to hear the public. And I personally was of the opinion that opening it up to the public before this point was premature and I have made a record in the past as being very critical. You are way, way, way off base open open records act etc. Stop seeing boogeymen in every corner. Public input will be taken via mail and email afterwards I believe so this has been from the very start mindful that its an open process. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: The City's Waterfront Advisory Committee is giving it's public presentation tonight ( 15th ) at 6pm. It is my understanding that public comment and input will be solicited. This is very important... everyone who cares about Asbury Park should be interested and attend. To date this entire process has been held in secret without public observation (a possible violation of the Open Public Meetings Act) I have asked for minutes and an attendee list - none have been provided...I have asked for the proposal to be presented so as to prepare some commentary - I was denied. (a possible violation of the Open Public Records Act) There should be serious concerns about how this process was held... and how the public, who this ultimately effects the most, has been excluded. Take note that the current Waterfront Redevelopment Plan (which has failed) was also negotiated in private and presented to the public after the fact. Its nice to talk about parking.. the food.. the beach... the boards...etc etc But here's a chance to have a real impact, in spite of how we got to this point, to make Asbury Park the best it can be. Comments will be officially on the record... please plan to attend. Werner BTW - There is no mention of this meeting on the City's website Municipal Calendar... Hmm ??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for several reasons. - Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was not a quick read - but I did expect more questions... - The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented. It would appear that the waterfront is thought to be unrelated to the rest of the City. - Once again the proposals are developer centric instead of public amenity oriented. I am interested in the reactions of anyone else that attended... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for several reasons. - Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was not a quick read - but I did expect more questions... - The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented. It would appear that the waterfront is thought to be unrelated to the rest of the City. - Once again the proposals are developer centric instead of public amenity oriented. I am interested in the reactions of anyone else that attended... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Personally, i did not speak since those that did were well prepared and versed in the topic, felt my comments would have been repetitive as well, felt I would have dummied down the dialog. Last nite showcased our citizens as intelligent and well versed in the objectionable matters. reggie On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:10 AM, wernerapnj wrote: The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for several reasons. - Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was not a quick read - but I did expect more questions... - The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented. It would appear that the waterfront is thought to be unrelated to the rest of the City. - Once again the proposals are developer centric instead of public amenity oriented. I am interested in the reactions of anyone else that attended... Werner resolve to sing daily in 2011 http://www.yogabasin.com reg...@yogabasin.com bar: 732.481.4110 mobile: 917.657.4364 im: yoginilingu...@aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Beach Fees after Labor Day?
Sounds like Ocean Grove is the beach for you, enjoy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Iannucci liannucc@... wrote: I don't need the boardwalk (and its overpriced overhyped restaurants) to enjoy the beach, nor do I need a lifeguard as I am qualified myself. Which leads me to my next question, and maybe I am beating a dead horse here--why does New Jersey continue to put up with beach fees? No other state in the entire country charges for beaches unless they are part of a state park. And every state I know provides lifeguards, beach maintenance, etc. as part of their state budget. In the most densely populated state in the country, there is no excuse for this except poor budgeting. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: The one off base is you - condescending attitude (please), making up motivations (boogeymen) and attributing them to me, When you look up condescending in the dictionary it has your photo. You spoke as if only you knew things. Duany, Clarke, etc. There were some good things to think about proffered by folks. It was an initial airing of comments. We are looking forward to more. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
