Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
Tommy No I'm angry I did not accuse anyone of being a racist. I was asking a question of Garrett. If you think racism doesn't exist in good old Asbury Park think again. I'm angry that quite a few people are upset because a Black Father of children that are being cheated out of an education by attending the district schools. Had the good sense to speak out on what he believed for the benefit of his children. Sorry if you did not know what you were getting into with this one. Toni
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Board of Education sounds like a bad episode of MTV's The Real World, where teenagers sit around yelling at one another: You're a racist! No, you're a racist! No No, you're a homophobe! Funny, Tom, but you were the first to use those labels in this discussion. I know that seems hard to believe, but check the paper trail. Since you're at least a generation younger than I, you compared it to something on MTV, while I had said it was a bad soap opera. To put it in perspective, however, I spent almost thirty years dodging the slings and arrows of the Middletown Board of Ed. There was an upper middle class community, monolithic to say the least, and when they fought publicly amoung themselves, it makes whatever disagreements we have had, even here, seem like a genteel tea party by comparison. There is no correlation between infighting and test scores. There have been comments here about Jersey City and its possible emergence from state control. Back in 2004, and Mrs. Ross could confirm this, the Asbury Park Board of Education bought the very same Math program with all of its bells and whistles that had succeeded in Jersey City. It was put in place in the 3rd grade, and has advanced every year. Being an old Math teacher, I was skeptical about the new approach but voted along with my colleagues to approve it, feeling we needed to do whatever we could, and at whatever expense, to raise learning levels. The administrators keep telling us that the Math program is beginning to show the same success as in Jersey City (my hometown). That remains to be seen. But the fact is that even though the board at the time and continuing to this day has sparred constantly and often bitterly, when we are confronted with a vote for a program that the administrators believe will improve learning and teaching, we have never to my knowledge declined to approve it. So the infighting, disgusting as it is, is a sideshow. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I think this Hopsin guy will see just that, the entire Board is for the kids. He seems like a guy with a short fuse. Type A, an easy guy to set off. This Board of Education sounds like a bad episode of MTV's The Real World, where teenagers sit around yelling at one another: You're a racist! No, you're a racist! No No, you're a homophobe! Funny, Tom, but you were the first to use those labels in this discussion. I know that seems hard to believe, but check the paper trail. Since you're at least a generation younger than I, you compared it to something on MTV, while I had said it was a bad soap opera. To put it in perspective, however, I spent almost thirty years dodging the slings and arrows of the Middletown Board of Ed. There was an upper middle class community, monolithic to say the least, and when they fought publicly amoung themselves, it makes whatever disagreements we have had, even here, seem like a genteel tea party by comparison. There is no correlation between infighting and test scores. There have been comments here about Jersey City and its possible emergence from state control. Back in 2004, and Mrs. Ross could confirm this, the Asbury Park Board of Education bought the very same Math program with all of its bells and whistles that had succeeded in Jersey City. It was put in place in the 3rd grade, and has advanced every year. Being an old Math teacher, I was skeptical about the new approach but voted along with my colleagues to approve it, feeling we needed to do whatever we could, and at whatever expense, to raise learning levels. The administrators keep telling us that the Math program is beginning to show the same success as in Jersey City (my hometown). That remains to be seen. But the fact is that even though the board at the time and continuing to this day has sparred constantly and often bitterly, when we are confronted with a vote for a program that the administrators believe will improve learning and teaching, we have never to my knowledge declined to approve it. So the infighting, disgusting as it is, is a sideshow. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
Unfortunately, the sideshow, gets all the attention, until the tests scores come out, then it appears that the board isn't doing its' job, while the teachers who are tenured, get a get out of jail, free, card. If everyone, checked their egos at the door, maybe something could be achieved. Not blaming anyone, because there is something else, underlying all of this. Not racism, but could it be a certain bias, toward something...someone? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: This Board of Education sounds like a bad episode of MTV's The Real World, where teenagers sit around yelling at one another: You're a racist! No, you're a racist! No No, you're a homophobe! Funny, Tom, but you were the first to use those labels in this discussion. I know that seems hard to believe, but check the paper trail. Since you're at least a generation younger than I, you compared it to something on MTV, while I had said it was a bad soap opera. To put it in perspective, however, I spent almost thirty years dodging the slings and arrows of the Middletown Board of Ed. There was an upper middle class community, monolithic to say the least, and when they fought publicly amoung themselves, it makes whatever disagreements we have had, even here, seem like a genteel tea party by comparison. There is no correlation between infighting and test scores. There have been comments here about Jersey City and its possible emergence from state control. Back in 2004, and Mrs. Ross could confirm this, the Asbury Park Board of Education bought the very same Math program with all of its bells and whistles that had succeeded in Jersey City. It was put in place in the 3rd grade, and has advanced every year. Being an old Math teacher, I was skeptical about the new approach but voted along with my colleagues to approve it, feeling we needed to do whatever we could, and at whatever expense, to raise learning levels. The administrators keep telling us that the Math program is beginning to show the same success as in Jersey City (my hometown). That remains to be seen. But the fact is that even though the board at the time and continuing to this day has sparred constantly and often bitterly, when we are confronted with a vote for a program that the administrators believe will improve learning and teaching, we have never to my knowledge declined to approve it. So the infighting, disgusting as it is, is a sideshow. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unadulterated bullshit. Iknew you had in you Tommy. Attaboy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
Clearly I owe the group an apology for cursing. Last week I had my 11 year old and my 12 year old write me a 200 word essay on why cursing is bad (take one guess why that was necessary). I guess I should go back and read them again for me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: unadulterated bullshit. Iknew you had in you Tommy. Attaboy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
Toni with all due respect you are saying it again. You keep alleging people are against this man because he is a Black Father. You are not giving another reason why they might be against him other than being Black. That sure sounds like you are accusing them of racial prejudice to me. I still want to see the proof of why they are calling Mr. Hopson's writing racist and homophobic. I won't call him those terrible things unless I can see what he wrote and judge for myself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy No I'm angry I did not accuse anyone of being a racist. I was asking a question of Garrett. If you think racism doesn't exist in good old Asbury Park think again. I'm angry that quite a few people are upset because a Black Father of children that are being cheated out of an education by attending the district schools. Had the good sense to speak out on what he believed for the benefit of his children. Sorry if you did not know what you were getting into with this one. Toni Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
Tommy That's just my opinion I have not accused anyone of being racist. I have not seen anything Mr. Hopson has written using homophobic or racist comments. The problem I have it was said the board was going down because he was elected by the majority of the board. Toni
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call The Coaster they have the letters. Toni with all due respect you are saying it again. You keep alleging people are against this man because he is a Black Father. You are not giving another reason why they might be against him other than being Black. That sure sounds like you are accusing them of racial prejudice to me. I still want to see the proof of why they are calling Mr. Hopson's writing racist and homophobic. I won't call him those terrible things unless I can see what he wrote and judge for myself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, eorslady@ wrote: Tommy No I'm angry I did not accuse anyone of being a racist. I was asking a question of Garrett. If you think racism doesn't exist in good old Asbury Park think again. I'm angry that quite a few people are upset because a Black Father of children that are being cheated out of an education by attending the district schools. Had the good sense to speak out on what he believed for the benefit of his children. Sorry if you did not know what you were getting into with this one. Toni Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting Angry Now
I am calling it like I see it and now I am letting it go. I have right to call it like I See It. What reason would anyone say Mr. Hopson is a racist and homophobic because I haven't any of his writings that support that. I am done done Good Nite
