[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-24 Thread Paul Vail
Actually, it is not the City that does not care about the litter, it 
is the LITTERERS that don't care.

I watch miscreants drop their trash on the street all the time.  
They look me in the eye when they are doing it.  It is simply an 
undertated way of saying F. U.  Their are signalling to the rest of 
us that they do not give a damn about this city.

Tragically, this is the attitude that is ruining their sorry lives.

Police should issue summonses whenever they see this happening.  It 
is the ONLY way to stop it.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't really think it's done on purpose. I think the sad fact is 
we have some ignorant low 
 life slobs in this city who just don't care. Add to that the 
people who live in the section 8 
 housing such as the welfare hotel across the street from me. I'm 
sorry to say it, but those 
 people, and the endless stream of cars that seems to be visiting 
there, are a bunch of 
 slobs. Much of the daily garbage I encounter in my neighborhood is 
discarded liquor and 
 beer containers. This happens every single day. I've never seen 
anything like it.
 2 houses away from mine is a recently restored home that has a 
nicely landscaped yard, 
 and they spent money to replace the depleted grass on both sides 
with sod. This weekend, 
 some a-hole dumped the remains of what looked like a whole case of 
beer on that sod 
 and drove away. Things like that make me crazy. I wish I could 
help it, but I can't.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
 
  Jack,
  I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose!
  Sorry, but you tried your best!  Don't know what else to say, 
but it's
  like beating a dead horse!  The city just ought to care!  They 
don't!
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow
  figure out how to reprogram 
   my brain.
   I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays 
immaculately
  cleaned fountain already 
   had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake
  packages and other assorted 
   crap in and around it.
   I'm close to giving up.
   But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with 
people from
  Trinty Church, so 
   hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could 
convince
  them that a good 
   incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services 
would
  be to equip some of them 
   as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give 
them
  some clean up supplies 
   and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both 
the
  people seeking charitiable 
   help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean.
   Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with 
their
  parks and street cleanup. 
   And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in 
most
  European cities, you will 
   see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and
  parks, and emptying the trash 
   cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And 
from
  what I've seen from my 
   many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their
  cities, so theres less crap to 
   clean up.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually, it is not the City that does not care about the litter, it 
 is the LITTERERS that don't care.
 
 I watch miscreants drop their trash on the street all the time.  
 They look me in the eye when they are doing it.  It is simply an 
 undertated way of saying F. U.  Their are signalling to the rest of 
 us that they do not give a damn about this city.
 
 Tragically, this is the attitude that is ruining their sorry lives.
 
 Police should issue summonses whenever they see this happening.  It 
 is the ONLY way to stop it.


The same for jay-walking,

The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets.
'Can't tell me where to walk...'





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-24 Thread oakdorf

 The same for jay-walking,
 
 The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets.
 'Can't tell me where to walk...'


and they give the finger(s) when you clip their toes with your tires 
usually around 2nd and main for some reason.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-24 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The same for jay-walking,
 
 The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets.
 'Can't tell me where to walk...'


But I give them a run for their money when they do.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-23 Thread Jack Pitzer
As I read back my post below, it occurs to me that I'm beginning to sound like 
a one-track 
mind jerk, so I apologize in advance. I thought about deleting the post, but I 
figure it's 
better to be honest and let it stay.
I guess part of the problem for me and litter is that I've never lived in a 
place where it's so 
prevelent. It truly disgusts me. The nearest local town I lived in prior to 
moving here was 
Allenhurst, which we all know is pretty spotless. Same goes for Edgewater up 
north. 
When I think back to around the year 2000, I was living in Allenhurst, and 
dating a girl 
here in AP. Occasionally, me and my dog would spend the night at her place, and 
I'd take 
my dog for a walk in AP and back then I vowed never to live in a place this 
dirty. So I guess 
I can only blame myself for moving to a place that had  a problem I already 
knew about.
Personally, I can't relate to the mentality of a person who thinks it's ok to 
just drop their 
trash anywhere they want to. I guess growing up in the 70's and watching that 
commercial 
with the Indian crying had an effect on me.
Anyhow, I apologize to my friends here for my frequent rants on this subject.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow figure out how 
 to 
reprogram 
 my brain.
 I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately cleaned 
 fountain 
already 
 had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake packages and 
 other 
assorted 
 crap in and around it.
 I'm close to giving up.
 But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from Trinty 
 Church, so 
 hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince them that 
 a good 
 incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would be to 
 equip some of 
them 
 as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them some 
 clean up 
supplies 
 and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the people 
 seeking 
charitiable 
 help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean.
 Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their parks and 
 street 
cleanup. 
 And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most European 
 cities, you 
will 
 see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and parks, and 
 emptying the 
trash 
 cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from what I've 
 seen from my 
 many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their cities, so 
 theres less 
crap to 
 clean up.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-23 Thread 2fine4u
Jack,
I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose!
Sorry, but you tried your best!  Don't know what else to say, but it's
like beating a dead horse!  The city just ought to care!  They don't!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow
figure out how to reprogram 
 my brain.
 I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately
cleaned fountain already 
 had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake
packages and other assorted 
 crap in and around it.
 I'm close to giving up.
 But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from
Trinty Church, so 
 hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince
them that a good 
 incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would
be to equip some of them 
 as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them
some clean up supplies 
 and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the
people seeking charitiable 
 help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean.
 Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their
parks and street cleanup. 
 And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most
European cities, you will 
 see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and
parks, and emptying the trash 
 cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from
what I've seen from my 
 many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their
cities, so theres less crap to 
 clean up.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable

2007-10-23 Thread Jack Pitzer
I don't really think it's done on purpose. I think the sad fact is we have some 
ignorant low 
life slobs in this city who just don't care. Add to that the people who live in 
the section 8 
housing such as the welfare hotel across the street from me. I'm sorry to say 
it, but those 
people, and the endless stream of cars that seems to be visiting there, are a 
bunch of 
slobs. Much of the daily garbage I encounter in my neighborhood is discarded 
liquor and 
beer containers. This happens every single day. I've never seen anything like 
it.
2 houses away from mine is a recently restored home that has a nicely 
landscaped yard, 
and they spent money to replace the depleted grass on both sides with sod. This 
weekend, 
some a-hole dumped the remains of what looked like a whole case of beer on that 
sod 
and drove away. Things like that make me crazy. I wish I could help it, but I 
can't.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack,
 I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose!
 Sorry, but you tried your best!  Don't know what else to say, but it's
 like beating a dead horse!  The city just ought to care!  They don't!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow
 figure out how to reprogram 
  my brain.
  I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately
 cleaned fountain already 
  had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake
 packages and other assorted 
  crap in and around it.
  I'm close to giving up.
  But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from
 Trinty Church, so 
  hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince
 them that a good 
  incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would
 be to equip some of them 
  as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them
 some clean up supplies 
  and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the
 people seeking charitiable 
  help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean.
  Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their
 parks and street cleanup. 
  And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most
 European cities, you will 
  see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and
 parks, and emptying the trash 
  cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from
 what I've seen from my 
  many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their
 cities, so theres less crap to 
  clean up.
 





 
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