[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. The developers constantly do things that are incompatible Don't realize that it lowers the overall value of their investment Simple design issues go ignored as are sound recommendations. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Sorry Tommy but being almost 10 years older than you I have many more memories of The Casino. The concerts did not come until later years ---When we were young we used to go ice skating there and loved going on the carousel. My mother would dress us up and it would be a very special occasion---she even made us wear the little white lace gloves from our Holy Communion outfit! (I'm surprised my dad didn't make us carry the little white plastic prayerbooks). I think it is beautiful in the evening the way it is lit up and gives me a very special and proud feeling when I ride through the waterfront at night. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:16:29 +Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World oh come on, the nostalgia nazi didn't get that much and the carouselbuilding is a delight. i have a decent number of memories there and iam not much younger than you. not shows, but games and the like. have no idea what your problem is with CH, the place makes me swoon.so i guess you have no care for stone pony, baronet and the lanes?knock em all down?--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Instead, we have Tillie, a clown face we stole from Coney Island, devoid of artistic worth, to define us. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. It had a short life as something good anyway. I'm 45 and when I was a kid it was a falling down half boarded up mess. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casinodon't appear on this list. _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Debbie I'm in no way minimizing your personal reminiscence. Everyone in the world has them of some place. But I can't see yours, and you can't see mine. The generations to come won't know of them at all. They won't get that feeling you get when you ride past there at night. Did Asbury Park really miss a perfect opportunity to build something of world-class proportion so folks like you and I can get a fuzzy feeling when we ride by? Personal nostalgia is no reason to save any building. Asbury Park missed a big opportunity. I'm willing to bet Gary M would agree in private. I public he can't look sour on the plan that was passed before he got here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Tommy but being almost 10 years older than you I have many more memories of The Casino. The concerts did not come until later years ---When we were young we used to go ice skating there and loved going on the carousel. My mother would dress us up and it would be a very special occasion---she even made us wear the little white lace gloves from our Holy Communion outfit! (I'm surprised my dad didn't make us carry the little white plastic prayerbooks). I think it is beautiful in the evening the way it is lit up and gives me a very special and proud feeling when I ride through the waterfront at night. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:16:29 +Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World oh come on, the nostalgia nazi didn't get that much and the carouselbuilding is a delight. i have a decent number of memories there and iam not much younger than you. not shows, but games and the like. have no idea what your problem is with CH, the place makes me swoon.so i guess you have no care for stone pony, baronet and the lanes?knock em all down?--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedrightjustifiedright@ wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Instead, we have Tillie, a clown face we stole from Coney Island, devoid of artistic worth, to define us. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. It had a short life as something good anyway. I'm 45 and when I was a kid it was a falling down half boarded up mess. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you.love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casinodon't appear on this list. _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, but it looks like most, if not all of those signs are gone. I think it's pretty bad form on the city side to not keep up on informing people that parking is free for now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were the Parking Meters accepting money anyway this weekend despite there being no enforcement? I was there Saturday and saw a couple trying to put money in. I told them paid parking had been suspended for the winter. The gentleman pointed out that there was no sign on the machine saying so. He was right. The witch he was with said to me, How do I know you are right? I said that it was pretty big news a couple of weeks ago around AP when the City suspended it. She seemed for some reason to grow angry with me: Well I live in Long Branch and I'm in Asbury alot and if this had been such 'big news' like you say then I would have heard about it. I know what's happening in this town I'm here all time. It ended like this: Hey, lady, go aheand and put your money in there. What do you want from me? They were still trying to put money in when I walked away. Don't know if they succeeded. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: The city could have made some nice money on parking, the bottom line is people need to park and the city deserves the right to make some money. It it is providing a safe and clean environment for visitors and it is just pocket change or a card swipe. They should have shut down the meters regrouped and had them up and running the right way in 30 days max. === Great opinion/observation... The City is bleeding . Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? Will the next imagined charge be Marian Invasion? Andromeda Strain? On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Ok. Whose gonna bailout the city to cover for it all? If the developer,whose using someone else's money is willing to pay for all that free stuff you propose, like lifeguards, gate guards, police, lighting, signage. If a room can go for $150-$250 night...or a drink $11 (at least my blue was only $5)or dinner $30 plus appetizers, drinks, deserts etc or a knick knack old propeller decoration is $3,000... BASED ON EXPERIENCE over the years on the boardwalk when things got depserate, FREE BEACHES did bring people in and helped the merchants out some BUT did nothing to help out the city. They still had to pay the bill. So it's ok for an individual business owner or developer with debt free money to profit at the expense of the city? I think asking everyone to contribute $1 or $2 isn't the worse thing in the world to help AP climb out of hibernation. If I (or anyone else) can for over money for booze, paying $1 for parking or another $5 on a room for $150 isn't the end of the world. And the landlords of the city should just give free rent? Remember, the city is one giant landlord - collecting rent to cover and provide the essential services so that their residents (tenants) can propser. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? No John, not the whole Right; just me. I'm beating the drum to call it Fascism because I want the nation to at least be correct about which ism we are tending toward economically. Of course the charge I'm making is against the Bush administration. The new President isn't in charge yet. Hopefully he'll give me nohting to complain about. But lets not go off on a purly political tangent. I brought it up in relation to a an advertising blitz I think AP could benefit from if they advertise a backlash against other people taking your money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Everyone on this board is studying the budget. Let's see what we can come up with to defer the cost of lifeguards. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Ok. Whose gonna bailout the city to cover for it all? If the developer,whose using someone else's money is willing to pay for all that free stuff you propose, like lifeguards, gate guards, police, lighting, signage. If a room can go for $150-$250 night...or a drink $11 (at least my blue was only $5)or dinner $30 plus appetizers, drinks, deserts etc or a knick knack old propeller decoration is $3,000... BASED ON EXPERIENCE over the years on the boardwalk when things got depserate, FREE BEACHES did bring people in and helped the merchants out some BUT did nothing to help out the city. They still had to pay the bill. So it's ok for an individual business owner or developer with debt free money to profit at the expense of the city? I think asking everyone to contribute $1 or $2 isn't the worse thing in the world to help AP climb out of hibernation. If I (or anyone else) can for over money for booze, paying $1 for parking or another $5 on a room for $150 isn't the end of the world. And the landlords of the city should just give free rent? Remember, the city is one giant landlord - collecting rent to cover and provide the essential services so that their residents (tenants) can propser. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone on this board is studying the budget. Let's see what we can come up with to defer the cost of lifeguards. We all take our out of shape asses and sit on the chair for free and try to look good ADvertise on the lifeguards chairs and ON the lifeguards backs or asses... I have two more ideas, but their so good, I have to figure out how I can money off itnot big bucks... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, but it looks like most, if not all of those signs are gone. I think it's pretty bad form on the city side to not keep up on informing people that parking is free for now. === Having attended the meetings I can tell you that complaints about having to PAY were never the issue. The issue was - the machines not being easy to understand, not giving change, getting tickets... etc. There is absolutely a need to have people paying, there is debt service on the cost of the system. There is potential revenue (+cash flow) to be realized going forward. This has become another silly exercise without clear goals and flawed policy making. The meeting discussion started out about SUSPENDING ENFORCEMENT... Then morphed into announcing that parking was free. Silly... Dysfunctional Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The meeting discussion started out about SUSPENDING ENFORCEMENT... Then morphed into announcing that parking was free. Silly... Dysfunctional Werner Exactly. No reason to make it free. $1.00 to park should be FREE, but to go pay at least $80 for a bite and a drink? PRemium outlets wanted 8.00 to valet your car. and there were people who had their cars valet parked. The merchants can always give a $1.00 off the final bill if they felt it really made a difference. Good service, good food, drinks, weather or something else you offer brings people in if you don't have people want, they aren't coming in. Another fact of life in the business world. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. Last time I was there, the majority of it had been demolished. So I guess I agree with your second point but am wondering what you mean by the decision to save it. It's obvious the developers had no intention of saving anything. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Why can't that still happen? Given the bandshell situation, contracts and agreements are obviously a fluid thing on the boardwalk. Supplant the original agreement, bring the fish and the dog-catcher back to the table and draw up a new agreement that benefits all parties better than the current mall-on-the-sand plan. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Agreed. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, In your opinion perhaps. I actually found the Casino to be more inviting than CH, if only because of the pseudo-Mediterranean curves of the roof and the tall windows overlooking the beach. There's nothing wrong with CH, but visually it's a bit more blocky, more Lego- y. It's slightly more utilitarian, whereas the Casino always looked like it was trying to make an artistic statement. and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. Irrelevant now that it's gone. And Convention Hall wasn't built to take the constant pounding of amplified performances. A new, 21st century Casino could be. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. If age and personal connection to past glory were prerequisites for preservation, we'd have no Count Basie Theatre, Loews Jersey, Independence Hall, Pantheon, or Great Wall. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Again, apparently not. It's gone. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! See above. Build a new one, with visual nods to the past but the structural integrity of the present to ensure viability into the future. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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---the fairy-tale drawing I posted before of a concept casino/resort hotel...http://tinyurl.com/57jcam Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:38 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? No John, not the whole Right; just me. No. I'm seeing it everywhere. But you're usually right in step. \ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
AMEN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casino don't appear on this list. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Instead, we have Tillie, a clown face we stole from Coney Island, devoid of artistic worth, to define us. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. It had a short life as something good anyway. I'm 45 and when I was a kid it was a falling down half boarded up mess. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casino don't appear on this list. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. Stella Marina was very busy Friday night, beautiful bar and also a top rate restaurant as well.it should do very well. It was nice to see all of the activiity in town Saturday as well, lots of energy with all of the concerts going on. It was kind of funny to see the teenagers standing out in the cold rain on the bw at 3:30 PM for for 5:30 PM door at convention hall...some with just t-shirts on. The city could have made some nice money on parking, the bottom line is people need to park and the city deserves the right to make some money. It it is providing a safe and clean environment for visitors and it is just pocket change or a card swipe. They should have shut down the meters regrouped and had them up and running the right way in 30 days max. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stella Marina was very busy Friday night, beautiful bar and also a top rate restaurant as well.it should do very well. It was nice to see all of the activiity in town Saturday as well, lots of energy with all of the concerts going on. It was kind of funny to see the teenagers standing out in the cold rain on the bw at 3:30 PM for for 5:30 PM door at convention hall...some with just t-shirts on. nice to hear it was busy. i was there thurs nite. my friend and i went out onto the upstairs outside deck and were giddy with excitement and anticipation for the summer feel there. thank you for those spaces. i imagine watermark is going to be just as exciting and musically delicious to boot. last nite the area was packed. paradise was busy and fun and led me to a new fascination. hetero women who go apeshit in gay bars. it may have had something to do with the male dancers. but they required more security attention than anyone i have ever seen in a bar. interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: Stella Marina was very busy Friday night, beautiful bar and also a top rate restaurant as well.it should do very well. It was nice to see all of the activiity in town Saturday as well, lots of energy with all of the concerts going on. It was kind of funny to see the teenagers standing out in the cold rain on the bw at 3:30 PM for for 5:30 PM door at convention hall...some with just t-shirts on. nice to hear it was busy. i was there thurs nite. my friend and i went out onto the upstairs outside deck and were giddy with excitement and anticipation for the summer feel there. thank you for those spaces. i imagine watermark is going to be just as exciting and musically delicious to boot. I was impressed with their cocktail menuI normally stick to either beer or vodka but was tempted by the black current bourbon cocktailor sonething like that. last nite the area was packed. paradise was busy and fun and led me to a new fascination. hetero women who go apeshit in gay bars. it may have had something to do with the male dancers. but they required more security attention than anyone i have ever seen in a bar. interesting. Very interestingsounds like I was at the wrong venue! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
