[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
CH is REALLY filled with music history. That's something that missing in that building. If someone had half-a-brain, they'd do a bit of research and come up with a mini look at who was there. Be a nice little ting to walk around. Ditto for the paramount. I have a concept. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
CH and the Paramount are essentially being wasted by MM, they could have SO much booked in there and they don't, its really a shame Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:40:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go... CH is REALLY filled with music history. That's something that missing in that building. If someone had half-a-brain, they'd do a bit of research and come up with a mini look at who was there. Be a nice little ting to walk around. Ditto for the paramount. I have a concept. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
back to the same old debate here. Plenty more venues - modern, more seating, sound etc. If you spend tens of millions to build, you have to figure out how to recoup the $. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Moving residential zoning off of that block to accommodate an expanded Stone Pony would be far more beneficial to Asbury Park. Werner My first recommendation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
It is my recollection that we are not talking about moving the SP building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. I should clarify that in Nancy Sheild's article it says relocated from its second ave relocation, does not specifically state this in the report. Might be her misinterpritation, but still an alarming thing to read nonetheless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That depends on what its used for. ConHall was not designed for modern sound systems and concerts. The building materials, shape and acoustics are terrible for contemporary productions. That's because ConHall is part of an instrument designed into the building, a Theater Organ. If you've never heard the organ played you really missed an experience. The sound is amazing, that's what it excels at. Silent film festival comes to mind (live organ) or Organ concerts with dancing ? It is also designed to show 35mm film. My heart sank when I witnessed the destruction of the arc lamp power systems from 1930. ConHall is not used to take advantage of its design, - A Convention Center... Trying to use it as contemporary concert venue is doomed to failure. The real gem is the Paramount Theater. Again, due to its design for live performances you can hear a whisper in the last row. It has the best acoustics of any venue around here. Also set up for 35mm film projection. There appears to be no philosophy in place to make the best use of what Asbury Park venues currently offer let alone their full potential.. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
Yep. That and the pretty dreadful dressing rooms and backstage facilities. Acts are definitely not clamoring to play Convention Hall and that is not likely to change when there are so many other options around. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:21:41 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go... Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: I'm concerned by some misinterpretations that have cropped up in the discussion of the Stone Pony. As the Plan and Contract currently stand, the Stone Pony is flagged as a building to be retained on a Conditional basis. That being - it continues to remain open and used as an entertainment venue. As I recall (don't have the docs in front of me) the condition was also predicated on a 6 month window of disuse prior to allowing a demolition. Note that this refers only to the Stone Pony building itself not the adjacent outdoor spaces. Those were acquired by Asbury Partners and effectively integrated into the Pony operations but are not part of the parcel referred to in the current plan. The outdoor 'Stage' is and has always been zoned for Residential development so discussing that in the context of 'recommending' it be moved is meaningless. The Stone Pony Building however is another matter - the recommendation of the committee to remove its conditional status for preservation opens the door to its demolition. The value of a venue like the Pony is in its authenticity - it IS the Stone Pony in look and feel, I was the restoration consultant under Dominic Santana's ownership. (although I do not know what it looks like today). Also significant is the location at Ocean and Second - the experience of waiting in line to see a show, having the same view as prior generations, the photo opps, the traffic and street scene (having Ocean Ave one-way North would add to the experience i.e. The Circuit) The stone Pony is a significant destination and for entertainment and heritage tourism. Not expanding on that is very short sighted and is one of the intrinsic flaws of the Plan. Moving residential zoning off of that block to accommodate an expanded Stone Pony would be far more beneficial to Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. I should clarify that in Nancy Sheild's article it says relocated from its second ave relocation, does not specifically state this in the report. Might be her misinterpritation, but still an alarming thing to read nonetheless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
