[AsburyPark] Re: boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?
I know and all is forgiven! I do know what you meant. Asbury Park is a lot like N.O. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: You wouldn't have written this, if you had visited New Orleans. There IS no parallel to the tragedy there and the situation here! NONE at all! After almost 3 years, they are still finding bodies, people are still displaced. Like slavery, the residents were given ONE-way tickets out and are unable to return on their own. Would you, with the toxic, poisonous trailers, they were issued? No, you have no idea! My intention was not to compare the situations within the cities' themselves. I apologize if it seemed that way. I was only illustrating that among those who may not live in either city, many still feel a connection to, and concern about, what's happening there because of the cultural impact both cities have had outside their borders. Of course there is absolutely no comparison to what happened in New Orleans with any other city and I would never suggest there is. You and I are definitely on the same page regarding that, but I'm sorry if my words indicated otherwise. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?
You wouldn't have written this, if you had visited New Orleans. There IS no parallel to the tragedy there and the situation here! NONE at all! After almost 3 years, they are still finding bodies, people are still displaced. Like slavery, the residents were given ONE-way tickets out and are unable to return on their own. Would you, with the toxic, poisonous trailers, they were issued? No, you have no idea! Their culture, food and way of life has been altered permanently! If I wanted to move back, unless I own property, I'd have to be Angeline Jolie, to move back! Whites are being cheated out of their property, as well as Blacks, whose property was inherited. Public Housing was demolished, rather than reopened and those buildings were structurally sound. Stick to Asbury Park, which is the equivalent to one neighborhood, there! Jazz is but ONE thing, Blacks gave to America. Pride in one's self, is the other. A Catholic City, where even the Jews are Catholic, as everyone there practices Catholicism, whether they want to or not and yet, the government told New Orleans to go to hell! You have no idea! It is still the most European City in the Western Hemisphere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com , nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: if the bw is really that dissappointing why bother even coming here when you could spend your time somewhere else? The situation in Asbury Park neither will, nor even could, be as simple as you can always go somewhere else. During and immediately following Hurricane Katrina, plenty of people outside the United States, may of whom had never been to New Orleans, were genuinely horrified http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/09/07/worldviews.\ DTL and disappointed by the devastation and government reaction to the tragedy there. They had no financial ties to the city and certainly paid no taxes to the government whose responsibility it was to provide security, and then relief, to the citizens displaced by the flood. Yet they were no less sincerely distraught because of it. This is because New Orleans, arguably more than any other American city, occupies a special place in the collective conscience of people outside the United States. It is home to a cultural legacy (namely jazz) as indispensible to the global community as French Impressionism, Tango, Greek playwriting, or the Egyptian pyramids. So when the cradle of that legacy was so visibly damaged, the impact was felt far more deeply and personally a world away than when the small towns of Illinois and Iowa flooded last month. A parallel phenomenon exists with Asbury Park, albeit on a less global scale. Despite its decidedly undemocratic roots, the town eventually evolved from Asbury Park, NJ into Asbury Park, U.S.A. a national playground on the level of a Niagara Falls, a Hershey, a Williamsburg, or a Coney Island. The town's cultural legacy, warts http://www.publications.villanova.edu/Concept/2007/07_papers_html/Goldb\ erg.GreetingsfromJimCrow.htm and all http://books.google.com/books?id=RaT7Ip9RXZ8C , became America's. Conversely, the residents' concerns, vis-à-vis redevelopment, became America's. Thus, when Madison Marquette indeed restores a Paramount Theatre so well, they are rightly lauded by those both in and outside the city. When they couple such high-quality restoration with low-quality letdowns like the 5th Avenue Pavilion and the container shops, however, many outside the city feel as robbed as they would if they lived for 30 years on Sewall or Emory. When the developers ignore key aspects of signed agreements with the city, and the city's own representatives forgive it with an almost-flippant those plans were supplanted, it is not only city residents' faces being slapped. Much like the Katrina situation. Now, of course there is no comparison between Madison Marquette and the government in terms of authority or consequences. No one has lost there lives due to MM's actions or inactions and it would be difficult to imagine a scenario where anyone would. But, as they must surely realize by now, in taking on this project MM has entered into an unwritten yet tangible covenant with every American concerned with his or her nation's cultural legacy regardless of residence. Our heritage is in their hands. That is why you can't simply tell someone disappointed in the current direction of the boardwalk, There are other places you can go. Those who want to see Asbury Park finally fulfill its promise economically, socially, culturally are not looking for someplace to go. They are desperately seeking some assurance that quality is not the province of the well-connected, that citizens of any background can still enjoy unfettered access to community resources, and that government and the private sector can indeed meet
[AsburyPark] Re: boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com , nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: if the bw is really that dissappointing why bother even coming here when you could spend your time somewhere else? The situation in Asbury Park neither will, nor even could, be as simple as you can always go somewhere else. During and immediately following Hurricane Katrina, plenty of people outside the United States, may of whom had never been to New Orleans, were genuinely horrified http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2005/09/07/worldviews.\ DTL and disappointed by the devastation and government reaction to the tragedy there. They had no financial ties to the city and certainly paid no taxes to the government whose responsibility it was to provide security, and then relief, to the citizens displaced by the flood. Yet they were no less sincerely distraught because of it. This is because New Orleans, arguably more than any other American city, occupies a special place in the collective conscience of people outside the United States. It is home to a cultural legacy (namely jazz) as indispensible to the global community as French Impressionism, Tango, Greek playwriting, or the Egyptian pyramids. So when the cradle of that legacy was so visibly damaged, the impact was felt far more deeply and personally a world away than when the small towns of Illinois and Iowa flooded last month. A parallel phenomenon exists with Asbury Park, albeit on a less global scale. Despite its decidedly undemocratic roots, the town eventually evolved from Asbury Park, NJ into Asbury Park, U.S.A. a national playground on the level of a Niagara Falls, a Hershey, a Williamsburg, or a Coney Island. The town's cultural legacy, warts http://www.publications.villanova.edu/Concept/2007/07_papers_html/Go ldb\ erg.GreetingsfromJimCrow.htm and all http://books.google.com/books?id=RaT7Ip9RXZ8C , became America's. Conversely, the residents' concerns, vis-à-vis redevelopment, became America's. Thus, when Madison Marquette indeed restores a Paramount Theatre so well, they are rightly lauded by those both in and outside the city. When they couple such high-quality restoration with low-quality letdowns like the 5th Avenue Pavilion and the container shops, however, many outside the city feel as robbed as they would if they lived for 30 years on Sewall or Emory. When the developers ignore key aspects of signed agreements with the city, and the city's own representatives forgive it with an almost-flippant those plans were supplanted, it is not only city residents' faces being slapped. Much like the Katrina situation. Now, of course there is no comparison between Madison Marquette and the government in terms of authority or consequences. No one has lost there lives due to MM's actions or inactions and it would be difficult to imagine a scenario where anyone would. But, as they must surely realize by now, in taking on this project MM has entered into an unwritten yet tangible covenant with every American concerned with his or her nation's cultural legacy regardless of residence. Our heritage is in their hands. That is why you can't simply tell someone disappointed in the current direction of the boardwalk, There are other places you can go. Those who want to see Asbury Park finally fulfill its promise economically, socially, culturally are not looking for someplace to go. They are desperately seeking some assurance that quality is not the province of the well-connected, that citizens of any background can still enjoy unfettered access to community resources, and that government and the private sector can indeed meet their bottom line while still being held to the highest of standards. Merely driving on to Point or Wildwood will not assuage them. --- Sandpiper, as usual interesting points, i really enjoy reading your posts What I was attemting to point out is that stucco versus brick on the boarwalk pavillions or the color of the stucco should not dissuade anyone from giving the boardwalk and AP in progress a second chance. Maybe I am oversimplyfying, but this is the way I see it. The poster, as far as I remember, was only speaking to the appearance of the boardwalk and lack of progress from a development standpoint not the cultural and social aspects you reference. In fact, I am not sure if the poster is upset because they did not see 3,000 condos in place? I agree that you can't swap out what AP was and even still is for an experience in another Jersey Shore town. Just for the record I do not want south beach in APif I want a south beach experience I would rather go to south beach to get it. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To
