[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-25 Thread wernerapnj 
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I just thought someone in this audience would give a synopsis of 
it. Some people here get flippant when you have the audacity to ask 
the hard questions.

 Wernerapnj had said:
 The Master Plan consists of several documents that are available at 
 City Hall. It's currently being reviewed and will eventually be
 amended. If you or someone else in the group gets/has a copy I'm
 willing to scan and post it on-line.

Sharon,  I'm not sure if your remark is directed at me. If so, my 
answer was hardly intended as 'flippant'. Your question about the 
Master Plan is very important, unfortunately the answer is impossible 
to give in a synopsis. One can ask - what is the City's master plan? -
 in a philosophical context and the answer would be - to make the 
City a better place.

Technically the Master Plan is a statutory set of guidelines and 
directions that is forward looking in nature. It consists of several 
documents that collectively are called 'the Master Plan'.

Each document deals with a particular subject, for example: Land Use 
and Zoning or Traffic Circulation or Recreation or Historic 
Preservation, etc, etc,.

It's impossible to give a summary or overview of the Master Plan, it 
is a set of seperate but interdependent documents that form the 
guiding policies of the City.

The best (only) way to grasp it is to actually read its 100's of 
pages, hense my refering you to them at City Hall.

Werner




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-25 Thread Sharon G. Boone 


No Werner,
I wasn't directing it to you but you gave the answer I was looking for and I thank you. I did find some documentation online. Very informative. What I meant is, I make a statement and I get 5-7 different answers from well meaning and some NOT so well meaning individuals. Overall, the information I pick up here is positive for the most part. It's ironic that after being here for a couple of days, I read items in the Coaster and the Tri-City News that may have been posted here and I find that also a good thing. I think that the group here is knowledgeable, informative and really the best thing going because at least here you can voice your concern rather than be disrespected and shouted down at a council meeting or seen as a pariah and against the grain of the status quo. No, wasn't directed at you. You may not remember me, but we've met and I found you a very affable and likable person. I really appreciate what you do for this town and urge you to stay at it. It's great to see you here! Stay well,
SharonSharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"SharonG.Boone"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Ijustthoughtsomeoneinthisaudiencewouldgiveasynopsisofit.Somepeopleheregetflippantwhenyouhavetheaudacitytoaskthehardquestions.Wernerapnjhadsaid:TheMasterPlanconsistsofseveraldocumentsthatareavailableatCityHall.It'scurrentlybeingreviewedandwilleventuallybeamended.Ifyouorsomeoneelseinthegroupgets/hasacopyI'mwillingtoscanandpostiton-line.Sharon,I'mnotsureifyourremarkisdirectedatme.Ifso,myanswerwashardlyintendedas'flippant'.YourquestionabouttheMasterPlanisveryimportant,unfortunatelytheanswerisimpossibletogiveinasynopsis.Onecanask-whatistheCity'smasterplan?-inaphilosophicalcontextandtheanswerwouldbe-tomaketheCityabetterplace.TechnicallytheMasterPlanisastatutorysetofguidelinesanddirectionsthatisforwardlookinginnature.Itconsistsofseveraldocumentsthatcollectivelyarecalled'theMasterPlan'.Eachdocumentdealswithaparticularsubject,forexample:LandUseandZoningorTrafficCirculationorRecreationorHistoricPreservation,etc,etc,.It'simpossibletogiveasummaryoroverviewoftheMasterPlan,itisasetofseperatebutinterdependentdocumentsthatformtheguidingpoliciesoftheCity.Thebest(only)waytograspitistoactuallyreadits100'sofpages,hensemyreferingyoutothematCityHall.WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-24 Thread Sharon G. Boone 


I just thought someone in this audience would give a synopsis of it. Some people here get flippant when you have the audacity to ask the hard questions. When some get on the council, I've been told I don't understand anything! It's one of the reasons I hate coming to a meeting at City Hall. There is a lack of common decency lacking, like if you ask them a question that puts them on the spot, they get defensive, especially when they've done something perceived as illegal! They never give a straight answer then they start asking around as to who YOU are, who you are ALIGNED with, like you have to be part of a group and heaven forbid, if you're black! You're automatically labeled a "troublemaker", simply for asking the hard questions, like when is construction going to begin? How many minorities, (any color), are going to be hired? What is Asbury Park doing about the illegal immigrants, here? I certainly can't go to Mexico and stay forever! It's against the law and is ILLEGAL! Yet, I see them on roof-tops, ripping or hammering away! The Union hall is on Drummond Ave., in Neptune. Wonder how THEY feel? It's a lot of issues for a small city but the City Manager is being PAID, so he should EARN his high-priced salary! If that were Wilbert Russell, his feet would be held to the fire!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"SharonG.Boone"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Don'tmeantobefecetious,soIWILLbe.What'stheCity'sMasterPlan?Inthelongrun,what'sthedeal?Please,don'teverybodystampedetotellme!Isitonline?AretheredocumentsIcanlookat?I'mfromMissouri,ShowMe!TheMasterPlanconsistsofseveraldocumentsthatareavailableatCityHall.It'scurrentlybeingreviewedandwilleventuallybeamended.Ifyouorsomeoneelseinthegroupgets/hasacopyI'mwillingtoscanandpostiton-line.WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj 
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Don't mean to be fecetious, so I WILL be. What's the City's Master 
Plan? In the long run, what's the deal? Please, don't everybody 
stampede to tell me! Is it online? Are there documents I can look at? 
I'm from Missouri, Show Me!
 

The Master Plan consists of several documents that are available at 
City Hall. It's currently being reviewed and will eventually be amended.
If you or someone else in the group gets/has a copy I'm willing to scan 
and post it on-line.

Werner




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-22 Thread Skip Bernstein 
.the city cannot condemn any property within the redevelopment area without 
Asbury Partners' approval. .you said that does not include the beachfront, 
pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think. that that is not clear. In any event, 
that would require a city that stands up to Asbury Partners.

That would require the city to have independent council, a lawyer who knew 
which master he must serve, not James Aaron.


Skip Bernstein

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From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare
 the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and
 exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc.

 Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't.

 It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me.
 That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront
 back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain.

 Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine.


 I think we addressed this a while back ago. It is my recollection that
 the city cannot condemn any property within the redevlopment area
 without Asbury Partners' approval. I think you said that does not
 include the beachfront, pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think, like
 everything in the agreement (and that's the problem) that that is not
 clear. In any event, that would require a city that stands up to Asbury
 Partners. Have you forgotten where you are? 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-22 Thread Sharon G. Boone 


Don't mean to be fecetious, so I WILL be. What's the City's Master Plan? In the long run, what's the deal? Please, don't everybody stampede to tell me! Is it online? Are there documents I can look at? I'm from Missouri, Show Me!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"SkipBernstein\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:".thecitycannotcondemnanypropertywithintheredevelopmentareawithoutAsburyPartners'approval..yousaidthatdoesnotincludethebeachfront,pavillions,CH,Casino,etc.Ithink.thatthatisnotclear.Inanyevent,thatwouldrequireacitythatstandsuptoAsburyPartners."Thatwouldrequirethecitytohaveindependentcouncil,alawyerwhoknewwhichmasterhemustserve,notJamesAaron.SkipBernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com-OriginalMessage-From:"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:Sent:Monday,August22,20051:02PMSubject:[AsburyPark]Re:rocktheboat...don'trocktheboat---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:ThinkingofIronies,IsuggestedawhileagothattheCitydeclarethebeachfront,eastofOceanAvenue,aredevelopmentareaandexerciseeminentdomainonthePavilions,ConHall,Casino,Etc.Oh,youthoughtitalreadywasaredevelopmentarea?Noitisn't.Itcertainlylooks'blighted,underutilizedandindisrepair'tome.That'ssomeofthecriteriaunderthestatue.Takethebeachfrontbackandreturnittothetaxpayers.Aproperuseofeminentdomain.Ironic-AsburyPartnersgettingtasteoftheirownmedicine.Ithinkweaddressedthisawhilebackago.ItismyrecollectionthatthecitycannotcondemnanypropertywithintheredevlopmentareawithoutAsburyPartners'approval.Ithinkyousaidthatdoesnotincludethebeachfront,pavillions,CH,Casino,etc.Ithink,likeeverythingintheagreement(andthat'stheproblem)thatthatisnotclear.Inanyevent,thatwouldrequireacitythatstandsuptoAsburyPartners.Haveyouforgottenwhereyouare?Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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