Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
I just LOVE the way you do math, Werner.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:ThanksSharon,Manyofmywarnings,predictions,conclusions,etc.,arenowbecomngalltoobvious.Toobadit'staken4yearsforsomefolkstoseewhat'sbeengoingonhere.Somewillnever'see'.Werner---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"SharonG.Boone"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Werner,Yousaidamouthful!"HittheheadontheNail","tookthebullbythehorns"andeveryotheroverusedandoverworkedcliche',butyousaiditanditISironic,isn'tIT!IthoughtAaronworkedforthemtoo.Seemslikeitwasintimatedinthisforum,butmaybeI'mconfused,asusual!CorrectmeifI'mwrong,Weldon,Fishman,Aaron+NaiveCityCouncil=LandGrab...Itcertainlylooks'blighted,underutilizedandindisrepair'tome.That'ssomeofthecriteriaunderthestatue.Takethebeachfrontbackandreturnittothetaxpayers.Aproperuseofeminentdomain.Ironic-AsburyPartnersgettingtasteoftheirownmedicine.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
Thanks Sharon, Many of my warnings, predictions, conclusions, etc., are now becomng all to obvious. Too bad it's taken 4 years for some folks to see what's been going on here. Some will never 'see'. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, You said a mouthful! Hit the head on the Nail, took the bull by the horns and every other overused and overworked cliche', but you said it and it IS ironic, isn't IT! I thought Aaron worked for them too. Seems like it was intimated in this forum, but maybe I'm confused, as usual! Correct me if I'm wrong, Weldon,Fishman,Aaron + Naive City Council = Land Grab ... It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me. That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain. Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You seem to forget that prior to the Weldon led takeover, no one but no one was willing to invest a dime in the waterfront. My memory of quite good and that is just not true. In just the year or two BW (before Weldon) the following were making plays for redevelopment rights: Windstar Financial Services Inc., Renaissance Development Co., Sitar Realty, Berman Development Co,. The Applied Cos., Roseland Properties, Lorterdan Properties, Westminster Realty, the State and a rumour of M. Jackson being interested again. Is the deal with Asbury Partners a bad one, YES, a resounding yes, but it is better than no deal and 20 more years of poverty and decay. Should the taxpayers of Asbury Park hold the council responsible and force them to do their jobs and rectify what has been done, another resounding yes. Sounds like you support my proposed otion #2. However, anything that can curtail or end what has started would be disastrous. Can you imagine having 3 C8's darkening Asbury's waterfront. Let them get these 3 projects done, This line of thinking plays right into the lie that questioning anything will stop everything. The City is again being held hostage, by mass psychology. Of your 3 choices I will take a pass until further notice. You have made a choice, appears to me - following option #1, and supporting #2. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This line of thinking plays right into the lie that questioning anything will stop everything. The City is again being held hostage, by mass psychology. These are the scare tactics I referred to in prior reference to the pre- election period. Critics of the redevelopment plan (being critical is a matter of degree) are painted as threatening to stop all development. I agree let these fast-track (sic) projects go through. However, when they ask for some amendation of the agreement (height, etc.) how about getting something in return. There is something very wrong here (am I not a genius). Someone is advising the city leaders to sit back and not fight for what it ours and what could probably be gotten a lot easier than they are led to believe. There is a common denominator here. In the best of ironies, I hear Asbury Partners is suing a private group who is looking to develop a parcel in the waterfront area (left out of the plan, not in Carabetta's rights and not subject condemnation) for damaging its economic position. How could they do that? Oh yeah, build something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... There is a common denominator here. In the best of ironies, I hear Asbury Partners is suing a private group ... Weldon,Fishman,Aaron + Naive City Council = Land Grab Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc. Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't. It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me. That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain. Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc. Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't. It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me. That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain. Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine. I think we addressed this a while back ago. It is my recollection that the city cannot condemn any property within the redevlopment area without Asbury Partners' approval. I think you said that does not include the beachfront, pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think, like everything in the agreement (and that's the problem) that that is not clear. In any event, that would require a city that stands up to Asbury Partners. Have you forgotten where you are? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That clause puts the MD in a higher level of control than the City Government itself. OH, Now I Get it !! :-) Why does that surprise you? Have you seen any contrary evidence in the past couple of years with regard to the redevelopment? I hear they are changing the webiste to the City of Asbury Partners. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
Why not? They're running everything else and building nothing! Where's the taxes Asbury was supposed to get?SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:ThatclauseputstheMDinahigherlevelofcontrolthantheCityGovernmentitself.OH,NowIGetit!!:-)Whydoesthatsurpriseyou?Haveyouseenanycontraryevidenceinthepastcoupleofyearswithregardtotheredevelopment?IheartheyarechangingthewebistetotheCityofAsburyPartners.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat
Werner, You said a mouthful! "Hit the head on the Nail", "took the bull by the horns" and every other overused and overworked cliche', but you said it and it IS ironic, isn't IT! I thought Aaron worked for them too. Seems like it was intimated in this forum, but maybe I'm confused, as usual! Correct me if I'm wrong,SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:...Thereisacommondenominatorhere.Inthebestofironies,IhearAsburyPartnersissuingaprivategroup...Weldon,Fishman,Aaron+NaiveCityCouncil=LandGrabThinkingofIronies,IsuggestedawhileagothattheCitydeclarethebeachfront,eastofOceanAvenue,aredevelopmentareaandexerciseeminentdomainonthePavilions,ConHall,Casino,Etc.Oh,youthoughtitalreadywasaredevelopmentarea?Noitisn't.Itcertainlylooks'blighted,underutilizedandindisrepair'tome.That'ssomeofthecriteriaunderthestatue.Takethebeachfrontbackandreturnittothetaxpayers.Aproperuseofeminentdomain.Ironic-AsburyPartnersgettingtasteoftheirownmedicine.WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
