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There are also $125 montly permits availible in the financial district for commuters Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:49:45 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking I checked, it is citywide essentially. And I see a problem. There are non-resident permits as well for $300 limited to one vehicle. A resident permit requires you to register your car in JC. I am an honest person. AP is not my permanent address for tax purposes not to run afoul of NYS. It will not be for a lot of residents. Although I pay over $10k in real estate taxes here, I don't even file my taxes here but pay the higher NY taxes. I pay higher NY insurance for cars etc. I am not alone. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: When I lived in Jersey City there was NEVER issues, its a proven method Again, inquire with other cities like have done. It works Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:33:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Perhaps I do not understand you because unless you make Hinge's block resident only, it does not solve the problem. If its meter or permit, when there are events, Hinge cant park even though he has a permit. If you make it permit only, you lose revenue or you have that problem on another block whether you make it free or with meter and permit. Anything you do will have issues. You have a beach. You want visitors to come? You need parking. Charge for it I say whether its resident or visitor. If we want to make the town resident only, then do it. You will hear screams. Cookman is a perfect example. Cars hog the spots because there are no limits. This will always bring you back to the compatibility issue and knowing what you are getting into. If I live over a bar I will probably have some disruptions. If I live in Manhattan, or urban areas, I will probably have an issue finding a parking space. When I was a kid in Park Slope, there were not 10 cars on the block. We sat on curbs and had the whole street to play stickball. Gone. 7 years ago I had the whole of the beach almost to myself on a 98-degree day on July 4th. Gone. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: All the city needed to do was inquire with other cities in NJ I did some research on this when you first brought up the topic I found ONE municipality that has parking meters, AND charges their residents the way AP does. 30+ other cities/towns that have meters followed the same guidelines, which were $15-25 for year round permits and designated residential parking Its really not rocket science, but this is AP, not a great record when it comes to common sense Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:56:22 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking designated area - That's been my argument all along. Thanks for reinforcing that. If I bought the $30 permit this summer, it would have been useless during Summer Stage events, or busy weekend days. All it would do would hold me hostage in a parking space on my block. My next door neighbor, who bought the permit, experienced this every weekend. He'd park out front of his home, and if he left for a few hours (like most of us) to do grocery shopping or anything else, he'd return to our block being completely filled. The permit states that it's only good for the block on which it's issued. So this leaves the permit holder to park a block or more away. Meanwhile, most of the spaces on Bergh and on the 300 block of 1st were being used by boardwalk employees. This is exactly what I predicted would happen. In my opinion, the city did little or no research into this issue. Perhaps they could've done a parking survey to see how many people actually own cars on the affected blocks. On mine, that amounts to 3 cars in the summer, 2 in the winter. All the other residents on my block live in housing that includes a parking lot. Meanwhile, they installed a parking sign post at my curb 6 months ago. It still stands there, without a sign. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from
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I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. Grynbaum alluded on Monday to the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ 838C679EDE . In its opening scene, the title character, played by Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang for drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw it cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically decapitating each one. To them, it wasn't an act of vandalism. It was a free spirit's rebellion against those in power, by attacking one of their more soulless creations. Perhaps those same people would have pumped their fists joyfully had they witnessed the uprooting of Manhattan's last single-space meter from its post on Frederick Douglass Boulevard in Harlem. Not that meters have disappeared from the city. Hardly. Tens of thousands remain in other boroughs. But they are doomed, too. In a year or so, the city's Transportation Department expects multispace Muni-Meters to be the rule everywhere. The relationship between some New Yorkers and their parking spaces can run deep, even as the city becomes ever more bicycle conscious perhaps especially as the city becomes more bike conscious. You don't have to own a car to understand that. I haven't owned one in 33 years. Yet an available parking spot right in front of my apartment building is so alluring that it almost makes me want to rush off to buy something to fill the space. Throughout Manhattan and in parts of other boroughs, the hunt for a perfect spot, one where a driver may leave the car for days without fear of a summons, is no less an obsession than the pursuit of the white whale was for Ahab. Politicians certainly understand this. It helps explain why, over the years, they have steadily expanded the exemptions to the alternate-side parking rules, usually in the name of paying tribute to some religious or ethnic group. The Transportation Department now recognizes 32 holidays http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/scrintro.shtml#calendar2011 , with a total of 42 days, when the rules are suspended and sanitation trucks are thus unable to sweep. It is one of New York's peculiarities that the chosen method for honoring various constituencies is to leave the streets dirty. With a run of Jewish, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and legal holidays upon us, there will be a 44-day stretch, from Sept. 29 to Nov. 11, during which alternate-side parking regulations will be lifted one-third of the time. For me
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All the city needed to do was inquire with other cities in NJ I did some research on this when you first brought up the topic I found ONE municipality that has parking meters, AND charges their residents the way AP does. 30+ other cities/towns that have meters followed the same guidelines, which were $15-25 for year round permits and designated residential parking Its really not rocket science, but this is AP, not a great record when it comes to common sense Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:56:22 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking designated area - That's been my argument all along. Thanks for reinforcing that. If I bought the $30 permit this summer, it would have been useless during Summer Stage events, or busy weekend days. All it would do would hold me hostage in a parking space on my block. My next door neighbor, who bought the permit, experienced this every weekend. He'd park out front of his home, and if he left for a few hours (like most of us) to do grocery shopping or anything else, he'd return to our block being completely filled. The permit states that it's only good for the block on which it's issued. So this leaves the permit holder to park a block or more away. Meanwhile, most of the spaces on Bergh and on the 300 block of 1st were being used by boardwalk employees. This is exactly what I predicted would happen. In my opinion, the city did little or no research into this issue. Perhaps they could've done a parking survey to see how many people actually own cars on the affected blocks. On mine, that amounts to 3 cars in the summer, 2 in the winter. All the other residents on my block live in housing that includes a parking lot. Meanwhile, they installed a parking sign post at my curb 6 months ago. It still stands there, without a sign. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. Grynbaum alluded on Monday to the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ 838C679EDE . In its opening scene, the title character, played by Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang for drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw it cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically decapitating each one. To them
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Visitor parking is not the issue, its residential that's the issue. Give me a bad repercussion of having resident parking only spaces Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:24:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking That holds promise but I think residents should have to pay in the beachfront, cookman, etc. Parking is never free (always has a cost) even if its not charged for. Hogging spaces so customers can never park and frequent businesses. But even implementing some sort of resident parking has issues. Do you make it like Hoboken where there is a visitor parking for limited time? You have to pay someone to mark the tires and measure time? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. Grynbaum alluded on Monday to the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ 838C679EDE . In its opening scene, the title character, played by Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang for drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw it cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically decapitating each one. To them, it wasn't an act of vandalism. It was a free spirit's rebellion against those in power, by attacking one of their more soulless creations. Perhaps those same people would have pumped their fists joyfully had they witnessed the uprooting of Manhattan's last single-space meter from its post on Frederick Douglass Boulevard in Harlem. Not that meters have disappeared from the city. Hardly. Tens of thousands remain in other boroughs. But they are doomed, too. In a year or so, the city's Transportation Department expects multispace Muni-Meters to be the rule everywhere. The relationship between some New Yorkers and their parking spaces can run deep, even as the city becomes ever more bicycle conscious perhaps especially as the city becomes more bike conscious. You don't have to own a car to understand that. I haven't owned one in 33 years. Yet an available parking spot right in front of my apartment building is so alluring that it almost makes me want to rush off to buy something to fill the space. Throughout Manhattan and in parts of other boroughs, the hunt for a perfect spot, one
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When I lived in Jersey City there was NEVER issues, its a proven method Again, inquire with other cities like have done. It works Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:33:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Perhaps I do not understand you because unless you make Hinge's block resident only, it does not solve the problem. If its meter or permit, when there are events, Hinge cant park even though he has a permit. If you make it permit only, you lose revenue or you have that problem on another block whether you make it free or with meter and permit. Anything you do will have issues. You have a beach. You want visitors to come? You need parking. Charge for it I say whether its resident or visitor. If we want to make the town resident only, then do it. You will hear screams. Cookman is a perfect example. Cars hog the spots because there are no limits. This will always bring you back to the compatibility issue and knowing what you are getting into. If I live over a bar I will probably have some disruptions. If I live in Manhattan, or urban areas, I will probably have an issue finding a parking space. When I was a kid in Park Slope, there were not 10 cars on the block. We sat on curbs and had the whole street to play stickball. Gone. 7 years ago I had the whole of the beach almost to myself on a 98-degree day on July 4th. Gone. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: All the city needed to do was inquire with other cities in NJ I did some research on this when you first brought up the topic I found ONE municipality that has parking meters, AND charges their residents the way AP does. 30+ other cities/towns that have meters followed the same guidelines, which were $15-25 for year round permits and designated residential parking Its really not rocket science, but this is AP, not a great record when it comes to common sense Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:56:22 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking designated area - That's been my argument all along. Thanks for reinforcing that. If I bought the $30 permit this summer, it would have been useless during Summer Stage events, or busy weekend days. All it would do would hold me hostage in a parking space on my block. My next door neighbor, who bought the permit, experienced this every weekend. He'd park out front of his home, and if he left for a few hours (like most of us) to do grocery shopping or anything else, he'd return to our block being completely filled. The permit states that it's only good for the block on which it's issued. So this leaves the permit holder to park a block or more away. Meanwhile, most of the spaces on Bergh and on the 300 block of 1st were being used by boardwalk employees. This is exactly what I predicted would happen. In my opinion, the city did little or no research into this issue. Perhaps they could've done a parking survey to see how many people actually own cars on the affected blocks. On mine, that amounts to 3 cars in the summer, 2 in the winter. All the other residents on my block live in housing that includes a parking lot. Meanwhile, they installed a parking sign post at my curb 6 months ago. It still stands there, without a sign. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark
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Issue with resident only parking on public streets is some of the weekend folks. If you take a look on cookman at some of the cars parked, they have flyers on them and some of those flyers are a week old, what that means to me is weekend residents are parking in public streets for days when they're back in their monday to friday residences. That means those of us who want to go to cookman and park suffer as there's no parking and the stores suffer as we may well go elsewhere. Resident only parking would perpetuate that. If you live in a place with attractions (beach/shopping) it's price to pay. *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM, cbrianwatk...@gmail.com wrote: Visitor parking is not the issue, its residential that's the issue. Give me a bad repercussion of having resident parking only spaces Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:24:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking That holds promise but I think residents should have to pay in the beachfront, cookman, etc. Parking is never free (always has a cost) even if its not charged for. Hogging spaces so customers can never park and frequent businesses. But even implementing some sort of resident parking has issues. Do you make it like Hoboken where there is a visitor parking for limited time? You have to pay someone to mark the tires and measure time? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. Grynbaum alluded on Monday to the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ 838C679EDE . In its opening scene, the title character, played by Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang for drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw it cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically decapitating each one. To them, it wasn't an act of vandalism. It was a free spirit's rebellion against those in power, by attacking one of their more soulless creations. Perhaps those same people would have pumped their fists joyfully had they witnessed the uprooting of Manhattan's last single
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Well logically speaking this should happen where there is paid parking I do not have paid parking in my neighborhood, so there is no use for residential permits Even more logical, for those speaking of Cookman, would be to build a parking deck accessible to everyone all the time (not like the current one) There are PLENTY of things that could be knocked down (since the city loves to do this) downtown, shit there are empty lots that could house a parking deck Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:41:32 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Are you doing it citywide? Because if you are not, then we are not sharing the burden. You will simply shift those visitors to another block. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Visitor parking is not the issue, its residential that's the issue. Give me a bad repercussion of having resident parking only spaces Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:24:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking That holds promise but I think residents should have to pay in the beachfront, cookman, etc. Parking is never free (always has a cost) even if its not charged for. Hogging spaces so customers can never park and frequent businesses. But even implementing some sort of resident parking has issues. Do you make it like Hoboken where there is a visitor parking for limited time? You have to pay someone to mark the tires and measure time? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I do not believe in paid parking for residents unless it is a $15 year round permit just like every other city in NJ does, pay for a sticker, be able to park in a designated area Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:39:26 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. Grynbaum alluded on Monday to the 1967 film Cool Hand Luke http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ 838C679EDE . In its opening scene, the title character, played by Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang for drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw it cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically decapitating each one. To them, it wasn't an act of vandalism. It was a free spirit's rebellion against those in power, by attacking one
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But if you did that then people would just start parking there instead of the paid areas and you'd be back to the no parking scenario. *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Hinge hing...@yahoo.com wrote: ** All I'd like to see is one simple thing. Suspend paid parking on the 200 blocks between Labor Day and Memorial Day. I can live with the issues during the summer. But being asked to pay to park on an empty residential block is absolutely absurd. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: My point, reserve spaces on your block so when there is the demand present that leaves you with no spaces, those excess cars (visitors) go go to the next block perhaps. That causes residents on that block not to be able to park (the number displaced by the excess cars) and now they have the same complaints, so we do the same there, and so forth and so on. It is only going to get wore unless the whole thing fails. 1.5 cars off street parking requirement per new unit in the waterfront area. Can you imagine the implications if even 25% of it gets built? Who has 1.5 cars? No guests? You think the folks in Ocean Grove have complaints about parking in the summer? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Why not reserve spaces for residents only on my block? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Why curtail the hours when there is zero demand? I would have bought the permit if the city designated a number of spaces Resident Parking Only. Wouldn't it make sense for the city to have done a parking survey first? Find out how many residents park in the designated area, and reserve spaces for residents in those areas. On my block this summer that would have amounted to 3 spaces. I realize that varies from block to block, but as I've said, the current system is great for the city, but useless for residents such as myself. What's the value in paying to park when you can't find a space to use it? If I bought the permit should I get a refund on the perhaps 24 days when visitors took up all the spaces? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Tough one, but I am probably leaning towards relaxing in that area off season or curtailing the hours BUT if that's done and during a concert at the Pony there's no spaces on your block what will you say? This is my entire point about the compatibility/incompatibility of uses. Residences near or in the middle of uses that draw high visitor traffic have issues. You will not be able to solve them. I do not think anyone has. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a slogan that the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy. Writing about the final curtain http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p arking-meter.html for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to the day after the first one was
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Not sure about that, although Cookman is bustling in the Winter months, the waterfront hardly fills the spaces Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.dav...@its-ship.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:11:52 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking But if you did that then people would just start parking there instead of the paid areas and you'd be back to the no parking scenario. *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Hinge hing...@yahoo.com wrote: ** All I'd like to see is one simple thing. Suspend paid parking on the 200 blocks between Labor Day and Memorial Day. I can live with the issues during the summer. But being asked to pay to park on an empty residential block is absolutely absurd. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: My point, reserve spaces on your block so when there is the demand present that leaves you with no spaces, those excess cars (visitors) go go to the next block perhaps. That causes residents on that block not to be able to park (the number displaced by the excess cars) and now they have the same complaints, so we do the same there, and so forth and so on. It is only going to get wore unless the whole thing fails. 1.5 cars off street parking requirement per new unit in the waterfront area. Can you imagine the implications if even 25% of it gets built? Who has 1.5 cars? No guests? You think the folks in Ocean Grove have complaints about parking in the summer? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Why not reserve spaces for residents only on my block? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Why curtail the hours when there is zero demand? I would have bought the permit if the city designated a number of spaces Resident Parking Only. Wouldn't it make sense for the city to have done a parking survey first? Find out how many residents park in the designated area, and reserve spaces for residents in those areas. On my block this summer that would have amounted to 3 spaces. I realize that varies from block to block, but as I've said, the current system is great for the city, but useless for residents such as myself. What's the value in paying to park when you can't find a space to use it? If I bought the permit should I get a refund on the perhaps 24 days when visitors took up all the spaces? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Tough one, but I am probably leaning towards relaxing in that area off season or curtailing the hours BUT if that's done and during a concert at the Pony there's no spaces on your block what will you say? This is my entire point about the compatibility/incompatibility of uses. Residences near or in the middle of uses that draw high visitor traffic have issues. You will not be able to solve them. I do not think anyone has. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/ Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on Monday, it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious spirits. [The Day] The Day http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/ Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their freedom of movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie up his horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American notion. In Australia, the No Parking Meters Party http://noparkingmetersparty.org/ came into being a few years ago, running candidates
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There is no logical rebuttal to that Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:23:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Here's my final thought (sorry to repeat myself). On Friday night, a friend is coming over to play Scrabble. My street is nothing but potholes and empty parking spaces. She has 2 choices, pay $3 to park out front on an empty street, or park around the corner or a block away. I'd love to hear somebody in this city logically defend that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Not sure about that, although Cookman is bustling in the Winter months, the waterfront hardly fills the spaces Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.davids@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:11:52 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking But if you did that then people would just start parking there instead of the paid areas and you'd be back to the no parking scenario. *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** All I'd like to see is one simple thing. Suspend paid parking on the 200 blocks between Labor Day and Memorial Day. I can live with the issues during the summer. But being asked to pay to park on an empty residential block is absolutely absurd. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: My point, reserve spaces on your block so when there is the demand present that leaves you with no spaces, those excess cars (visitors) go go to the next block perhaps. That causes residents on that block not to be able to park (the number displaced by the excess cars) and now they have the same complaints, so we do the same there, and so forth and so on. It is only going to get wore unless the whole thing fails. 1.5 cars off street parking requirement per new unit in the waterfront area. Can you imagine the implications if even 25% of it gets built? Who has 1.5 cars? No guests? You think the folks in Ocean Grove have complaints about parking in the summer? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Why not reserve spaces for residents only on my block? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Why curtail the hours when there is zero demand? I would have bought the permit if the city designated a number of spaces Resident Parking Only. Wouldn't it make sense for the city to have done a parking survey first? Find out how many residents park in the designated area, and reserve spaces for residents in those areas. On my block this summer that would have amounted to 3 spaces. I realize that varies from block to block, but as I've said, the current system is great for the city, but useless for residents such as myself. What's the value in paying to park when you can't find a space to use it? If I bought the permit should I get a refund on the perhaps 24 days when visitors took up all the spaces? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Tough one, but I am probably leaning towards relaxing in that area off season or curtailing the hours BUT if that's done and during a concert at the Pony there's no spaces on your block what will you say? This is my entire point about the compatibility/incompatibility of uses. Residences near or in the middle of uses that draw high visitor traffic have issues. You will not be able to solve them. I do not think anyone has. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. Does this make sense to anybody? I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark around the corner, or on the 300 block. Thoughts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: From NYT
