Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Is fairness like equality? Neither exist in the real world. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again) To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:19 PM Tommy you are hilarious. you do exactly what you accuse others of, which is actually a pretty common human foible. its called projection. why not have the discussion center on the celebrations and whether/how they should be supported by public funds/administratio n and get to a sense of fairness, instead of prodding at Keady. you watch too much Fox. check out some writing on non violent communication or Physicist David Bohm's book On Dialogue. Attorney speak has its value in a courtroom, not in a community like this. Keady's position seems pretty clear. he is against the funding of both celebrations which makes sense considering the financial state of AP. Like me buying a 30$ bottle of wine. His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
WAHHH! On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:04 PM, justifiedright wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
In a message dated 11/12/2008 4:18:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was certain He an his Apostles would not address the issue directly. No need to announce up front that you aren't. Always hoped that I'd be an apostle. Knew that I would make it if I tried. Then when we retire, we can write the Gospels, So they'll still talk about us when we've died. == Cool. Then we can choose another apostle whose successors can pontificate, claim infallibility, and periodically, in the AP Press, declare liberal theology to be a heresy. And those who break the rules will have to wear hairshirts and self-flagellate daily at Press Plaza for 60 days. And if anyone deviates from official dogma, an Inquisition will be held at municipal court. All those found guilty will be burned at the stake on the beach in conjunction with the city's next fireworks celebration. We will demand tithes from all and declare ourselves a tax-exempt entity. We will open a storefront and use RLUIPA against any heathens who try to restrict us to zoning laws. Instead of Bingo, we will play Whack-a-Mole (a modern version of stoning) at the VFW but more frequently online. We will canonize Tillie and Madam Marie and erect statues to them on public property because they are part of our cultural history. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
