Re: [Assam] Mr Suraj Bhan is right - do away with Rajputana Rifles-name -atleast
A recently former chief of Army Staff - General Roy Choudhury was Bengali. The current BSF head RS Mooshahary is a Bodo. On other fronts, another Army Chief was a Tam Brahm - Gen S. Padmanabhan. The only Indian Field Marshall was a Parsi. So at least on the face of it, there is no taboo. Though I must admit the Sardars have way more people in the army than their proportion of the Indian population. --- tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even in officer level posts - if your father or relative has been in the army (mostly martial races - Rajputs and Sikhs -then you have a better chance of getting in. well i beg to differ on that. the regiments in the indian army are all pre-independent era ...the britishers formed them and they have retained their names..their identitythough the recruitment was more or less strictly based on caste, community , even villages they aren't anymore today esp. in the officer ranks. the other ranks like the jawans etc are usually recruited on the basis of their community. and there's a logic behind this. it binds the jawans amongst themselves. more often than not one'll find people from the same villages in one battalion or regiments. furthermore, people from the hilly regions are better for mountain warfare ( it was the gurkha, naga and kumaon regiment who took the top honours in kargil) simillarly, the rajputana, sikh regiments are better in plains or deserts etc. as they call, its in their genes! as for the officer ranks, its simply that not many sits for the entrance exams. even till some years back not many students in assam were aware of exams like NDA-NA, CDSE etc. they either wanted to be doctors or engineers or maybe lawyers...not a defence officer. i have seen atleast 30 guys from the north and west of india who dropped out of IITs to join NDA. as far as assam is concerned i dont know of anyone doing that. do u guys know?? maybe the better question would be, would you let your son/brother drop out of IIT-D to join NDA??? most probably the answer will be no. the opportunity cost would be lot higher than what you would expect to get. right?? now for the chances of a bengali or assamese getting into the army in the lower ranks. its as good as any other indian. but the only problem is that there aren't many takers for it. the only reason why there are a lot less assamese than, say, sikh is that not many wants to join the defence forces...but the recent stampedes in the recruitment rallys or camps indicates the change in mentality and attitude. btw, assam rifles is the oldest regiment in india. regards, tridip Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even in officer level posts - if your father or relative has been in the army (mostly martial races - Rajputs and Sikhs -then you have a better chance of getting in. In this respect, the British were racist in that they believed in the racial superiority of people. In fact they not only believed and honored the Hindu caste system, but also took advantage of it. They used to employ the Brahmins for office work. Similarly they openly gave preference to the martial races for recruitment into the army. Sikhs, Rajputs and the Gurkhas were the most preferred races for military. A guy from Assam or Bengal will probably have a low chance of getting into the military specially in the lower ranks. I think it is still the case although they may not say it openly. It will be interesting to see the percentage of different Indian ethnic groups in the military and that might reveal the facts. RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [Assam] Mr Suraj Bhan is right - do away with Rajputana Rifles-name -atleast http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Panel+seeks+%27Dalit+Regiment%27+in+Armyid=18057category=National I was telling Hindu American F board members to invite Mr Suraj Bhan (mentioned in the above article) to speak on behalf of Hindu organizations working for Dailts -at US Congressional meetings . It seems he has taken up a challenging task. It is no secret that there is widespread corruption in Army recruitment -esp for non-officer level posts. Recruiting officers rely on their relatives back home - to get in near and dear ones - but for a fee --mostly from the same caste. Ofcourse, they - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
[Assam] Clean piece of reporting by Assam Tribune correspondent. Keep it up A/T !
Ball now in Centres Court: PCG http://www.assamtribune.com/ From Our Staff CorrespondentNEW DELHI, Oct 27 A day after the much-awaited dialogue with the Government of India, the Peoples Consultative Group (PCG) has said that the onus was on the Centre to show prudence and exercise restraint. The key word that has emerged after the prolonged negotiation between the Union Government and PCG was restraint from both sides to prevent the ongoing peace process from getting derailed.Euphoric as they were by the positive attitude of the Government of India, the PCG has realised that they were walking on thin ice and one wrong move from either side might spell doom to the peace process.Although the PCG refrained from saying anything specific, they pointed towards the recent statements by Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General JJ Singh and rumblings of Assam DGP, PV Sumant. Within 48 hours of the ULFAs letter to Government of India, the State DGP reiterated that the operations would continue," said the spokesman of the Group, Arup Borbora. On the other hand, ULFA has not indulged in any acts of violence after the constitution of the PCG, he reminded.The PCG member, who was addressing a meeting of the civil society organised by Lok Raj Sangathan (LRS) at the Constitution Club here today urged that responsible quarters should not pass remarks, which is not congenial to the peace process.The responsibilities are on the PCG and the Government of India to see to it that they show prudence and exercise restraint, he said.It is for the Government to ensure that the ULFA peace process does not get derailed by any whimsical or arbitrary action of any quarter, he added.Asserting that they were expecting a permanent solution to the problem, the spokesman said that nobody should put the matter in dispute under the carpet. If Government of India is serious, then it must be prepared to discuss all issue and issues, he reiterated.With the Prime Minister agreeing to discuss all issues and stressing on peace and prosperity of the State, the PCG feels that the talks were on the right track. Chief coordinator of the Group, Rebati Phukan said that the ULFA has no alternative but to respond. "They are very serious and I think the issue would be clinched otherwise it would remain elusive forever," he opined."We wont get an opportunity like this again and both the Prime Minister and Chief Minister were very positive," he said.The PCG had yesterday pleaded that for creation of congenial atmosphere in the State and the Centre should explore the possibility of releasing the five detained ULFA cadres, besides women and children held during Bhutan operation, repeal of the contentious Armed Forces Special Powers Act and suspension of army operations.The release of the detained cadres would facilitate further negotiations and create the right atmosphere, said Phukan. Meanwhile, the PCG members said at the public meeting that the Government cannot solve armed conflict by unilaterally using force, eliminating leaders of the groups in conflict or by applying stringent sets of law.Referring to the discussion held yesterday, the Spokesman said that they got an opportunity to discuss all issues and talks were preliminary in nature. "We exchanged viewpoints raised by ULFA and reminded the Government of India about the ground realities and what could be basis of discussions," he said.ULFA has shown wisdom by inviting the civil society for the first time in the peace process, Borbora said, adding that history has shown that conflict can be resolved only through political negotiations. He also spoke out against the AFSPA describing it as an Act known more for abuses rather than its application. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] About Indianm Govts' Wisdom
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Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for Policy Alternatives
Dear Rajen da For the 2nd issue you have raised, you may go through the book 'Rites of Paasage' by Sanjoy Hazarika. I read the book some time back. It was probably published by Penguin India. Mayur Chandigarh --- Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh: Thanks for posting the Report and for the link to the site. I congratulate the authors for preparing such a report showing the state of things in black and white. It seems to be a professional well written Report on the perspective of development of Assam and definitely we can discuss the details. Looks like it is much needed Report which we needed long back to know the truths. I am sure the report will be (and should be) used by the people of Assam to gain grants from the center. But before that let me put my perspective on the report. The Report proves my point which I have been stating all along. Assamese donot know their problem. It is a report written by non Assamese (again) to show the Assamese, Halo Assamese you have problem. Why such a report could not have been written by the Assamese? Why everytime Assamese had to depend on the Indians to tell them what is Assam's problem? Does it show the poor state of our intellectual resources of the Assamese?. I hope in the following two areas, the people of Assam will produce some professional report before some non Assamese do that. 1) Perspective of the Brahmaputra Flood control 2) The Illegal Immigration Issue from Bangladesh Best of luck to all RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for Policy Alternatives shall we read and discuss? Umesh Centre for Policy Alternatives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:57:06 +0100 (BST) From: Centre for Policy Alternatives [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Study on Assam To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: m c mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sirs I am attaching with this mail a study on Assam conducted by the Centre for Policy Alternatives. Mr. Guruswamy and myself are the authors of the report. We hope you find the report both interesting and useful and invite your comments/criticism on the same. Best Wishes Ronald Abraham PS: This report is also available online at: http://www.cpasind.com/reports/13-Left-Behind-Case-Study-Assam.pdf Other studies by our Center are also available at www.cpasind.com. umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mukul-da, I am glad that you have taken the initiative in introducing me to Mr Guruswamy. I am currently in Washington and can stay here till June 2006. I am planning to work with poor kids -in school education -across the globe. I am no expert on economic development issue - but I do agree that Assam's economy has gone down - after independence -as per eco. data - most likely due to carving out of separate nations from British India - such as Burma, Bangladesh etc -which closed trade routes an markets. It is likely that Assamese businessment - then as now - were not skilled in identifying other markets -- they can (and could) try to follow Japan's shinig example - which has no resources of its own -except the human resource. Japan is an inspiration for any nation which need to adapt to changing circumstances. Japan rose from the ashes in 30 years, Assam sank during the same period. Negotiations can provide some room for movement but can Assam based individuals reinvent their working - Japan style. Negotiations cannot replace the footwork needed to establish a strong economy in Assam. I wonder how barren Rajasthan or Japan are managing. Regards. Umesh mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh Dear, You need to get close to a powerful (literally and figuratively)ex-Harvard man -Mohan Guruswamy- who heads a top Central Govt organisation -Centre for Policy Alternatives.Tell him if you want to work with him. His E-mail Id is above. He was here 2 weeks back and spoke on one thing only --Assam had been cheated all these years-why don't you go and negotiate? Look who is talking! mm -- From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: [Assam] Harvard MBA Newsletter: Redefining Economic Downturns -ofAssam since 1947?? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:26:00 +0100 (BST) At India's independence Assam's per capita income was 40% above All India Average -- now it is 30% below. Is it any kind of economic downturn - due to - break up of British empire in
[Assam] Dainik Janasadharan
Alpana, Here is the info of Assamese daily newspaper Dainik Janasadharan from google. An observation is that you make it look like as if you are disrespectful (although you may not) by altering a registered name, while you honor x-ification art of Rajen Barua, Jugal Kalita et al and of course the millionaire nirgot :) Dainik Janasadharan- an Assamese daily Dainik Janasadharan Bamunimaidam, Guwahati-21. Phone– 0361-2656364, 2656365, Fax : 0361-2656308, E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor : Manoj Kumar Goswami. www.janasadharan.com/ - Similarpages On 10/26/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All: Any of you have the email address of the editor of the Assamese weekly (or daily - orwhatever) called 'Doinik Jonoxadharon'? Please send me a mail if you do! Thanks! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] [EMAIL PROTECTED] has sent you a page.
Assamese Teachers could log on to these online courses - and learn from the best - if they can spare some time from family and friends. Umesh The page below was sent on Friday October 28, 2005 at 6:56 pm ET from [EMAIL PROTECTED] To visit this page, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your browser. http://gseweb.harvard.edu/news/2005/1024_usable.html HGSE News is the news source for the Harvard Graduate School of Education; visit HGSE News at http://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/ To subscribe to receive updates of news and research from HGSE, visit our subscription page at http://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/subscribe.html ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] BBC E-mail: Tsunami reveals ancient temple sites
Romen Goswami saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Intresting discovery after Tsunami ** Tsunami reveals ancient temple sites ** Ancient temple sites yielded up by December's tsunami suggest they may have been destroyed by earlier giant waves, writes Paddy Maguire. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/world/south_asia/4312024.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Mr Suraj Bhan is right - do away with Rajputana Rifles-name -atleast
I did the reverse. I dropped out of NDA to join IIT. well i guess NDA is still a male bastion...(with due respect malabika looks like a girls name to me)in any case, which IIT did u join?? which batch and what branch?? regards, tridip Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . i have seen atleast 30 guys from the north and west of india who dropped out of IITs to join NDA. as far as assam is concerned i dont knowof anyone doing that. do u guys know?? I did the reverse. I dropped out of NDA to join IIT. Assam Regiment has a large number of soldiers from Assam and North East. Lots of Bodos and Rajbanshis in Goalpara dist has been joining the army (though in lower ranks) for a long time. Bodos and Rajbanshis from the dooars were recruited in the Gurkha regiment. One of my grandfather was in the Britsh Gurkha that was part of the 2nd Indian Div that saw action against Rommel in North Africa. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
