[Assam] Even BBC reporting on the massacre in Assam, Indian broadsheets silent cahoots?
Strike call after Assam shootings http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4706372.stm Separatists and students in India's north-eastern Assam state have called two days of strikes after protesters were shot dead by police. Officials say at least 10 people died on Friday after police shot at crowds protesting against the death in custody of a man suspected of separatist links. Five protesters died at the scene. Another five died later of injuries. Two policemen also died in the riot in Kakopathar, in Tinsukia district. A curfew has been ordered in the area. 'Violation' The separatist United Liberation Front of Assam (Ulfa) has called a 12-hour strike across Assam on Monday. We want Delhi to implement its commitment to us that there will be no further military operation in Assam Lachit Bordoloi People's Consultative Group Assam's paths of violence The All Assam Students Union has called for a similar strike on Tuesday. A committee of civil society leaders nominated by Ulfa to start a peace dialogue with the Indian government has warned that it might pull out of the dialogue unless military operations and rights violations stop in Assam. "We want Delhi to implement its commitment to us that there will be no further military operation in Assam," said Lachit Bordoloi of the People's Consultative Group (PCG) set up by Ulfa. "We want no violation of this commitment, but the incidents at Kakopathar that started with the custodial death of local boy Ajit Mahanta and led to a mass upsurge is a sure violation." 'Critical' An indefinite curfew has been ordered in areas around four police stations in Tinsukia district after Friday's violence. Officials say a mob several thousand strong tried to burn down Kakopathar police station after news that Mr Mahanta had died in military custody. The BBC's Subir Bhaumik in Calcutta says the news that three army officials face disciplinary action over his death has failed to pacify the simmering anger in the area. Our correspondent says at least seven other protesters remain in a critical condition in hospital, all with bullet wounds, after the shooting. Assam government to probe police firing http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=17019Lakhyajit Gohain.- Asian Tribune Guwahati: 13 February, (Asiantribune.com): After five days of unrest and violent public uprising against the death of one Ajit Mahanta whilst in army custody in Tinisukia district of the northeastern state of Assam, Indian Army has come forward and gave Rs 1 lakh 5 thousands as compensation to Mahantas family.Assam government has also announced Rs 5 lakhs as ex-gratia grant to the family of the deceased.However tension continued to prevail in Tinisukia district following the police firing killing at least nine and injuring several others who protested against the custodial death of Ajit Mahanta.An indefinite curfew, which remained in force had been further clamped at four more towns in the district following the protests. No untoward incident had been reported from any parts of the district.The GOC, Eastern Command of Indian Army Lt Gen Arvind Sharma visited the troubled torn Tinisukia district and reviewed the situation with the state government officials on Sunday. He visited Mahantas house and handed over the compensation to the family.Lt Gen Sharma has announced that Army would construct Mahantas house, adopt both his little children and provide job to his wife.Ajit Mahanta was picked up by Army from his house allegedly as a militant linkman. Later his body had been handed over to his family with injury marks.Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi in a statement on Sunday said that he had took up the matter with Union Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee and requested him to take stern action against the guilty Army personnel. "The Defence minister has issued necessary instructions to the army authority in this regard. He also assured that court martial will be instituted against the concerned Army personnel and appropriate action will be taken," the statement said.The custodial death of Ajit Mahanta had sparked off tension at Kakapathar area in the district. People in thousands protested against the incident and vandalized police stations, government offices and passing vehicles compelling police to fire on Friday. At least nine people had been killed in police firing and one paramilitary jawan was stoned to death by irate mob. Meanwhile the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom(ULFA) and All Assam Student Union (AASU) have called for 12 hour statewide bandh on February 13 and 14 respectively in protest against the Fridays police firing.The Assam government has instituted a judicial probe with a retired judge of the Supreme Court of India to the police firing incident at Kakapathar. Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi today announced to release Rs 3 lakhs each to the next kin of the persons died in the incident. Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN
[Assam] debojit
Hi all. Please vote for Debojit, the finalist in the Saregama talent hunt show on Zee TV. Finding a real talent through public voting may not be the right way to choose a talent (as we have seen the ousting of highly talented singers like Hemachandra from Hyderabad, Himani Kapoor from Faridabad and Nihira Joshi from Mumbai), the since Debojit is no less a talent and is from our own NE, we should ensure his win. SMS DEBOJIT to 7575or call 1904424757508for Internet votiong visithttp://sifymax.in/saregamapa/netvote/index.php - Utpal Borpujari / New Delhi Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] The Statesman of India, lacks statemanship in reporting, but, apt in ULFA bashing
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14theme=usrsess=1id=106392 Ulfa plea for peaceful protest A STAFF REPORTER http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060213/asp/guwahati/story_5839428.asp Guwahati, Feb. 12: The outlawed Ulfa today blamed unnamed forces for the violent anti-army protests in Kakopathar, leading to nine deaths in police firing on a mob on Friday. Ulfas reference to "other forces" had an unlikely beneficiary in Dispur, which got some breathing space after coming under fire from all quarters for allegedly allowing the situation to spin out of control. The government, too, had attributed the incident to the presence of "lumpen elements" in the crowd of protesters. In a brief emailed statement to newspaper houses in Guwahati, Ulfa commander-in-chief Paresh Barua warned the "other forces" against "instigating" peaceful protesters again. He urged the residents of Kakopathar, in Tinsukia district, to continue demonstrations in a peaceful manner. The protests are over the death of a youth, Ajit Mahanta, in army custody. The army had picked him up on charges of being an "Ulfa linkman". The official version is that he died of injuries sustained in a fall while trying to escape. Barua described Mahantas death in army custody and the police firing on protesters as "inhuman crimes" committed by "Indian occupational forces", a term used by Ulfa to describe army and paramilitary personnel engaged in counter-insurgency operations. On Friday, the protests turned violent during a protest march to Kakopathar police station from Hunjan Tiniali, about 18 km away. A CRPF jawan was lynched. Government spokesperson and minister Ripun Bora said the protests were orchestrated by people out to embarrass the ruling Congress before the Assembly elections. "It was a peaceful rally before it was hijacked by lumpen elements," he said in Tezpur. Ulfa has called a 12-hour statewide bandh tomorrow in protest against the police firing. Arabinda Rajkhowa, the outfits chairman, had compared the firing on civilians with the Jalianwalla Bagh massacre. Mahantas death in custody has already led to a wave of sympathy for Ulfa. "People are now looking at the outfit as more sinned against than sinning. Security forces had managed to alienate the outfit from the masses, but Mahantas death in custody has been a big setback," a senior police official said. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Yaatra
Hi all. I had recently written an article on Yaatra in my paper. The journal, I feel is a nice and first-time effort. - Utpal Borpujari / New Delhihttp://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jan222006/artic151472006120.aspA Yatraa into light An English language journal named Yaatra is all set to bring Assamese literature to readers, writes Utpal Borpujari. While Indian writing in English in recent years has gone to gain international name and fame, writers who have chosen to express themselves in their mother tongues in different corners of India have not been fortunate enough despite giving their readers a huge number of masterpieces. The culprit has always been the lack of proper translation of the incredibly rich regional literature. And even when translated works are published, like those from organisations like Bharatiya Jnanpith and Sahitya Akademi, often they fail to reach the masses adequately because of non-aggressive marketing. Private publishers, of course, also do come up with the odd translated work, but they are merely a sampler of the great treasure trove of literature that we have. Compared to Bengali, Tamil or Malayalam literature, the writings from the North-East, and particularly Assam, are a major victim of this lack of translation, and the great tradition of Assamese literature is virtually unknown to those outside the region. In the backdrop of this scenario, a non-governmental organisation called the North-East Foundation, has launched Yaatra, an English language journal that will solely concentrate on bringing before the readers translations of both contemporary and classic Assamese literary work. Based in Guwahati, the foundation is quite aware that it has a daunting task in its hands, specially as it will not be easy to market the journal all over India from Assam. But the enthusiasm of the people associated with the project are quite high, as was visible when the first issue of the journal was launched recently at the Sahitya Akademi in Delhi by Akademi Secretary K Satchidanandan in the presence of Jnanpith Award winning Assamese author Dr Indira (Mamoni Raisom) Goswami, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi and noted intellectual from the state, Amalendu Guha. Says Foundation chairman and Yaatra editor Dhruba Jyoti Borah, It has been a long-standing resentment of the people of Assam that very little is known in the outside world about the rich literary and cultural heritage and the present cultural scene of the state. At the same time, avid curiosity is noticed about these in the rest of India and also abroad. Yaatra is a project that seeks to popularise Assamese literature and culture outside the state and each issue of the journal will contain a wide selection of the best in contemporary Assamese literature and culture. Launched as a non-profit venture, Yaatra will not be available in newsstands like other magazines but will be distributed in the literary and academic circles both within and outside the country. The journal, says Borah, will have several sections that will focus on different areas. Assamese novels, poetry, short stories, drama, classics, criticism, book reviews, folklore and culture will be the focus areas of the project which will also seek to include literature and culture from the other North-Eastern states in it. Assamese literature has developed considerably over the years. It has drawn its sustenance from the great Bhakti movement of Srimanta Sankardev, the buranjis and the folk traditions of myriad groups of people that inhabit the region, he says. For more info contact; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fwd: Eai Saptah: New Assamese daily newspaper
Hello All: The website name for weekly Assamese News Paper " Eai Saptah " , may kindly be noted. In my earlier email the name http://www.eaisaptah.com has been incorrectly noted as. www.eaisapath.com. Inconvenience caused is regretted. Web site is: http://www.eaisaptah.com Regards, Ritu Mahanta Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Click here to download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Solidarity the GENTLE way.
Assam bandh affects normal life http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Northeastslug=Assam+bandh+affects+normal+lifeid=84763callid=1category=National Monday, February 13, 2006 (Guwahati): A dawn-to-dusk bandh called by the ULFA has virtually brought life to a standstill in Assam.The bandh has been called to protest against the killing of nine people in a police firing at Kakopathar in Tinsukia.Some shops opened in urban areas, but the shutdown affected most parts.The All Assam Students Union (AASU) has also called for a statewide bandh on Tuesday. Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it--Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what I have been telling all along. Litikai Assamese media will wait for the Mainstream Central India to tell them what headline to run in their paper. Even for newspapers in Assam, a regional news is not so important than a news in the rest of Indfia. When will litikai Assam wake up. Look at this news for instance, It is almsot 15 people (now) killied in the Kakopathaer violence. Now what is news is this: 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. 2) And on the other hand Litikai Assam CM, instead of visiting the site, is running along with Sonia Gandhi in campoaigning for election. I think this is the bottom of Assamese (sorry Asomese) litikai-ness. I think, for a change, it is the duty of the kharkhowa NRAs to bring this incident to the focus of international media. Can any kharkhowa Hobo Diok NRA suggest anything how to go about it? Does anybody knows the email address of BBC HQ and BBC New delhi? Umesh, can you suggest anything.? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' www.assamtribune.com 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'By A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 12 — The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers. Speaking on the topic 'Regional aspirations in national media,' Goswami was of the view that issues from some parts of the country did not figure in the priority list of national media. This was because of the inability of mediapersons to effectively 'push a story.' He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. He urged the regional media to be aggressive and favoured investigative journalism focusing on corrupt practices. The media had the right to dig deep into public affairs and those responsible for corruption and other malpractices should be identified. He regretted that there was an acute absence of exposes and penetrating reports, which could shock and embarrass those who were guilty. Earlier, the function witnessed moving moments when the founder editor of the Asam Bani Satis Chandra Kakati, was felicitated and he addressed the gathering. In his brief speech, the veteran journalist spoke about the background to the weekly's appearance in July 1955. In a voice choked with emotion, he recalled how late Radha Govinda Baruah approached him to be the editor and how
Re: [Assam] Yaatra
Yatraa This Roman spelling is another creation of Ignorant Assamese scholars!! Assamese language has only one a-kar pronounciation (unlike Hindi and Sanskrit). Therefore the 'yatraa' in Assamese Roman Script should be written by a single vowel a as written for the first vowel. In Hindi and Sanskrit, they have two a sounds. Don't follow them. Second, in Assamese Y is pronounced as YO not JO. So the correct Roman translation of the word Yatraa should be Jatra. Similarly the name of the megazine GARIYOSHI should be GORIOXI. Ignorant Assamese scholars should try to learn and stand for original Assamese creation and not follow big brother Indian brothers. Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: utpal borpujari To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:56 AM Subject: [Assam] Yaatra Hi all. I had recently written an article on Yaatra in my paper. The journal, I feel is a nice and first-time effort. - Utpal Borpujari / New Delhi http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jan222006/artic151472006120.asp A Yatraa into light An English language journal named Yaatra is all set to bring Assamese literature to readers, writes Utpal Borpujari. While Indian writing in English in recent years has gone to gain international name and fame, writers who have chosen to express themselves in their mother tongues in different corners of India have not been fortunate enough despite giving their readers a huge number of masterpieces. The culprit has always been the lack of proper translation of the incredibly rich regional literature. And even when translated works are published, like those from organisations like Bharatiya Jnanpith and Sahitya Akademi, often they fail to reach the masses adequately because of non-aggressive marketing. Private publishers, of course, also do come up with the odd translated work, but they are merely a sampler of the great treasure trove of literature that we have. Compared to Bengali, Tamil or Malayalam literature, the writings from the North-East, and particularly Assam, are a major victim of this lack of translation, and the great tradition of Assamese literature is virtually unknown to those outside the region. In the backdrop of this scenario, a non-governmental organisation called the North-East Foundation, has launched Yaatra, an English language journal that will solely concentrate on bringing before the readers translations of both contemporary and classic Assamese literary work. Based in Guwahati, the foundation is quite aware that it has a daunting task in its hands, specially as it will not be easy to market the journal all over India from Assam. But the enthusiasm of the people associated with the project are quite high, as was visible when the first issue of the journal was launched recently at the Sahitya Akademi in Delhi by Akademi Secretary K Satchidanandan in the presence of Jnanpith Award winning Assamese author Dr Indira (Mamoni Raisom) Goswami, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi and noted intellectual from the state, Amalendu Guha. Says Foundation chairman and Yaatra editor Dhruba Jyoti Borah, It has been a long-standing resentment of the people of Assam that very little is known in the outside world about the rich literary and cultural heritage and the present cultural scene of the state. At the same time, avid curiosity is noticed about these in the rest of India and also abroad. Yaatra is a project that seeks to popularise Assamese literature and culture outside the state and each issue of the journal will contain a wide selection of the best in contemporary Assamese literature and culture. Launched as a non-profit venture, Yaatra will not be available in newsstands like other magazines but will be distributed in the literary and academic circles both within and outside the country. The journal, says Borah, will have several sections that will focus on different areas. Assamese novels, poetry, short stories, drama, classics, criticism, book reviews, folklore and culture will be the focus areas of the project which will also seek to include literature and culture from the other North-Eastern states in it. Assamese literature has developed considerably over the years. It has drawn its sustenance from the great Bhakti movement of Srimanta Sankardev, the buranjis and the folk traditions of myriad groups of people that inhabit the region, he says. For more info contact; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] The Statesman of India, lacks statemanship in reporting, but, apt in ULFA bashing
The outlawed Ulfa today blamed unnamed forces for the violent anti-army protests in Kakopathar, leading to nine deaths in police firing on a mob on Friday. Ulfas reference to "other forces" had an unlikely beneficiary in Dispur, which got some breathing space after coming under fire from all quarters for allegedly allowing the situation to spin out of control. The government, too, had attributed the incident to the presence of "lumpen elements" in the crowd of protesters. Looks like ULFA is coming to rescure Litikai Assam CM for promise of safe and secure entry into mainstream politics. 'No the govt is not at fault. It is the 'lumpen elements". I give one, you give one. I say Hobo Diok. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: [Assam] The Statesman of India, lacks statemanship in reporting, but,apt in ULFA bashing http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14theme=usrsess=1id=106392 Ulfa plea for peaceful protest A STAFF REPORTER http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060213/asp/guwahati/story_5839428.asp Guwahati, Feb. 12: The outlawed Ulfa today blamed unnamed forces for the violent anti-army protests in Kakopathar, leading to nine deaths in police firing on a mob on Friday. Ulfas reference to "other forces" had an unlikely beneficiary in Dispur, which got some breathing space after coming under fire from all quarters for allegedly allowing the situation to spin out of control. The government, too, had attributed the incident to the presence of "lumpen elements" in the crowd of protesters. In a brief emailed statement to newspaper houses in Guwahati, Ulfa commander-in-chief Paresh Barua warned the "other forces" against "instigating" peaceful protesters again. He urged the residents of Kakopathar, in Tinsukia district, to continue demonstrations in a peaceful manner. The protests are over the death of a youth, Ajit Mahanta, in army custody. The army had picked him up on charges of being an "Ulfa linkman". The official version is that he died of injuries sustained in a fall while trying to escape. Barua described Mahantas death in army custody and the police firing on protesters as "inhuman crimes" committed by "Indian occupational forces", a term used by Ulfa to describe army and paramilitary personnel engaged in counter-insurgency operations. On Friday, the protests turned violent during a protest march to Kakopathar police station from Hunjan Tiniali, about 18 km away. A CRPF jawan was lynched. Government spokesperson and minister Ripun Bora said the protests were orchestrated by people out to embarrass the ruling Congress before the Assembly elections. "It was a peaceful rally before it was hijacked by lumpen elements," he said in Tezpur. Ulfa has called a 12-hour statewide bandh tomorrow in protest against the police firing. Arabinda Rajkhowa, the outfits chairman, had compared the firing on civilians with the Jalianwalla Bagh massacre. Mahantas death in custody has already led to a wave of sympathy for Ulfa. "People are now looking at the outfit as more sinned against than sinning. Security forces had managed to alienate the outfit from the masses, but Mahantas death in custody has been a big setback," a senior police official said. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Army pays compensation to Mahanta's wife - PTI
Title: Re: [Assam] Army pays compensation to Mahanta's wife - PTI Well said Alpana. Are they also making sure that careless (or intentional)killings do not happen again? *** Unfortunately we know the answer that has been playing out, again and again, for a quarter century now. Only the names and places of the victims change. At 10:28 PM -0600 2/12/06, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Are they also making sure that careless (or intentional)killings do not happen again? Are the guilty going to be punished? Justice needs to be served. The general also assured her that the army would give her a job, take care of the education of their two children and build their house. They better, and with dignity all along.And yes, this will not even scratch the surface of the grief and loss that Mahanta's wife and children have incurred. Also, what aboutthe families of the other 9 people that were killed? My prayers areforthe family of Ajit Mahanta, and all that were killed in Kakopathar. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Compassionate?! army and democracy
Title: Re: [Assam] Compassionate?! army and democracy Yes, ALL deaths carry grief. But the CAUSES are NOT all the same. A victim of an auto accident is not the same as a death from a fatal illness is not the same from a death from a fight over passion is not the same as a death of a soldier in a declared war is not the same as a death caused in custody by those entrusted with upholding the laws of a supposedly democratic land that supposedly believes in due process while frothing in the mouth professing fealty to democratic processes. Top attempt to make them out be the same is either profoundly ignorant--not a persuasive condition , or is disingenuous. At 11:17 PM -0600 2/12/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Priyankoo, There is only one quirk here. The army jawan that was killed was a kharkhowa Assamese (a Gohain, if I recollect). Now,would that make any difference? Priyankoo, all killing is deplorable, but sadly there is usually no outpouring grief if it happens to be an army personnel. To meall the deaths (of Mahanta, others, and the jawan) are deplorable and sad. Gohain's death is equally painful to his family as is that of Mahanta. Gohain too may have just joined the army to provide for his family. --Ram da On 13 Feb 2006 03:58:55 -, priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody really cares if an army jawan was killed or how many are killed. It doesn't matter if he was NOT the one involved in the killing of Mahanta. All that matters is that he is in the Indian army. It was his own damn fault for joining the Indian army and getting imbroiled in the mess. Exactly! Ramda! The Indian Army also does not care about who they killed or not. It does not matter to them if the people in the demonstration were involved in any killing or not. All that matters is that the people are Assamese...gotike mar kukur mekurir dore guliyay...be in Kokrajhar train station or Kamakhya...It is their own damn fault that they are born Assamese... And it does not matter whether the regiment is Gorkha, or Assam or Jath, or whatever fancy names they have. The point is that the triggers are not drawn by the brain behind the gun, they simply follow orders. Otherwise Assam Police had not been the first to open fire, which intiated the Kakopothar mayhem and then Army jawans chased 15-16 year old teenagers on paddy field and killed them point blank! Please read: http://pratidinassam.com/feb1206/ap03.html Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Compassionate?! army and democracy
C'da, Yes, ALL deaths carry grief. But the CAUSES are NOT all the same.. Top attempt to make them out be the same is either profoundly ignorant--not a persuasive condition , or is disingenuous. No one has attempted to equate the 'causes' of the deaths of Mahanta or Ojha (the CRPF). Onewas killedin army custody, while the other was killed by assilaints in the crowd seeking justice for Mahanta. I am not sure if the family of Ojha feel any better or worse because of that subtle difference. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, ALL deaths carry grief. But the CAUSES are NOT all the same. A victim of an auto accident is not the same as a death from a fatal illness is not the same from a death from a fight over passion is not the same as a death of a soldier in a declared war is not the same as a death caused in custody by those entrusted with upholding the laws of a supposedly democratic land that supposedly believes in due process while frothing in the mouth professing fealty to democratic processes. Top attempt to make them out be the same is either profoundly ignorant--not a persuasive condition , or is disingenuous. At 11:17 PM -0600 2/12/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Priyankoo, There is only one quirk here. The army jawan that was killed was a kharkhowa Assamese (a Gohain, if I recollect). Now,would that make any difference? Priyankoo, all killing is deplorable, but sadly there is usually no outpouring grief if it happens to be an army personnel. To meall the deaths (of Mahanta, others, and the jawan) are deplorable and sad. Gohain's death is equally painful to his family as is that of Mahanta. Gohain too may have just joined the army to provide for his family. --Ram da On 13 Feb 2006 03:58:55 -, priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody really cares if an army jawan was killed or how many are killed. It doesn't matter if he was NOT the one involved in the killing of Mahanta. All that matters is that he is in the Indian army. It was his own damn fault for joining the Indian army and getting imbroiled in the mess. Exactly! Ramda! The Indian Army also does not care about who they killed or not. It does not matter to them if the people in the demonstration were involved in any killing or not. All that matters is that the people are Assamese...gotike mar kukur mekurir dore guliyay...be in Kokrajhar train station or Kamakhya...It is their own damn fault that they are born Assamese... And it does not matter whether the regiment is Gorkha, or Assam or Jath, or whatever fancy names they have. The point is that the triggers are not drawn by the brain behind the gun, they simply follow orders. Otherwise Assam Police had not been the first to open fire, which intiated the Kakopothar mayhem and then Army jawans chased 15-16 year old teenagers on paddy field and killed them point blank! Please read: http://pratidinassam.com/feb1206/ap03.html Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari...The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking "serious" note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take "healing touch" steps in the matter quickly. "The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia,you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking "serious" note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take "healing touch" steps in the matter quickly. "The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Anti-Gas pipeline campaign voices concern
Anti-Gas pipeline campaign voices concern Khonumthung News 11 February 2006 The threat arising from the proposed tri nations Gas Pipeline Project was discussed at length by the Conveners of the Anti Gas Pipeline Campaign in Mizoram (AGPCM) at a Press conference on February 9 at the Aizawl Press Club, Mizoram, India. The nine conveners of the AGPCM told the press that the Tri-Nation Shwe Gas Pipeline Project of India, Burma and Bangladesh which is supposed to pass through Mizoram, poses a grave threat to the environment, culture and economy of the people of the state. The pipeline will affect 400 square kilometers and bring in its wake massive deforestation in the state while the governments and companies will enjoy the revenue earnings involved in the project. The members of the committee are not sure about future strategies to block the initiation of the Shwe Gas Pipeline Project. A member told Khonumthung, We have to conduct more meetings, closely observe government activities and plan our strategy. In a Press statement, the AGPCM said that the Shwe Gas Pipeline will run through 400 kilometers and a stretch of 5 kilometers on its side will be reserved and fenced off for security. Mizoram will lose its authority and it will serve as a wall of division. The statement further stated that the government of India is under obligation to produce the Environment Impact Assessment and obtain a No Objection Certificate from the people of the areas to be affected. Meanwhile, the Constitution of India incorporates in part IV, article 46 that the the state shall promote with special care the education and economic interests of the weaker section of the people and in particular the Scheduled Tribe (ST)/ Scheduled Caste (SC) and shall protect them from social injustice and all forms of exploitation. We admire and respect the activists fighting for democracy, sacrificing their lives and struggling against the despotic military junta in Burma. However, the move of the government of India, the largest democracy in the world, is ill timed as it favours the empowerment of the military junta. Freedom is much more favourable then wealth, said the AGPCMs statement in support of the democratic movement in Burma. South Koreas Daewoo International Cooperation (DIC) and the Burmese junta signed an exploration contract for the right to carry out oil and gas exploration in Arakan coast in August 2000. A large gas deposit was discovered and confirmed later in December 2003. DIC holds 60% stake, the Oil and Natural Gas Cooperation (ONGC) 20%, the Gas Authority India Limited (GAIL) 10% and KOGAS of South Korea 10% of the Shwe Gas Project respectively. For Further More Information- Email- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone- +91- 389- 2318320 Website- www.khonumthung.comwww.bnionline.net/khonumthunghome.php ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar
Title: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. Should we therefore conclude that ALL governments are EQUALLY BAD? That the US govt. is same as GoI for example ? And killing in self defense is the same as aggression? That there is no difference between a struggle for freedom and a military crackdown by colonial forces on freedom fighters? Or accept Ram's tack of attempting to make ALL killings equal? Is this yet another eruption of superior logic? Or is it a sneaky and pathetic attempt to absolve GoI's sins in Assam, and thus mitigating if not wash-off your own of your abject servitude of GoI ? I don't know Rajen. You do have a knack for inviting caustic commentary don't you? c At 10:11 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma ; Chan Mahanta Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar At 8:04 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: but Indian govt is sane and democratic, right? I was answering to above statement. What it has to do with Ajit Mahatna's killing? RB *** EVERYTHING! Do I need to explain? If so let me know. I will be pleased to comply. But it won't look good for the one asking for an explanation. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar Is UK govt sane and democratic? *** What does that have to do with how Ajit Mahanta was killed by Indian Army? Govt is by the people. Govt is what we make of it. *** That is a bunch of meaningless blather! Ajit Mahanta, or the pople of Kakopthar had NOTHING to do with HOW the Indian army or Indian Govt. or the Assam govt. operates. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what I have been telling all along. Litikai Assamese media will wait for the Mainstream Central India to tell them what headline to run in their paper. Even for newspapers in Assam, a regional news is not so important than a news in the rest of Indfia. When will litikai Assam wake up. Look at this news for instance, It is almsot 15 people (now) killied in the Kakopathaer violence. Now what is news is this: 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. 2) And on the other hand Litikai Assam CM, instead of visiting the site, is running along with Sonia Gandhi in campoaigning for election. I think this is the bottom of Assamese (sorry Asomese) litikai-ness. I think, for a change, it is the duty of the kharkhowa NRAs to bring this incident to the focus of international media. Can any kharkhowa Hobo Diok NRA suggest anything how to go about it? Does anybody knows the email address of BBC HQ and BBC New delhi? Umesh, can you suggest anything.? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' www.assamtribune.com 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Feb 12 - The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers. Speaking on the topic 'Regional aspirations in national media,' Goswami was of the view that issues from some parts of the country did not figure in the priority list of national media. This was because of the inability of mediapersons to effectively 'push a story.' He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. He urged the regional media to be aggressive and favoured investigative journalism focusing on corrupt practices. The media had the right to dig deep into public affairs and those responsible for corruption and other malpractices should be identified. He regretted that there was an acute absence of exposes and penetrating reports, which could shock and embarrass those who were guilty. Earlier, the function witnessed moving moments when the founder editor of the Asam Bani Satis Chandra Kakati, was felicitated and he addressed the gathering. In his brief speech, the veteran
Re: [Assam] Compassionate?! army and democracy
One was killed in army custody, while the other was killed by assilaints in the crowd seeking justice for Mahanta. I am not sure if the family of Ojha feel any better or worse because of that subtle difference. *** And that is why for the rest of us--it is NOT the same! At 8:29 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Yes, ALL deaths carry grief. But the CAUSES are NOT all the same.. Top attempt to make them out be the same is either profoundly ignorant--not a persuasive condition , or is disingenuous. No one has attempted to equate the 'causes' of the deaths of Mahanta or Ojha (the CRPF). One was killed in army custody, while the other was killed by assilaints in the crowd seeking justice for Mahanta. I am not sure if the family of Ojha feel any better or worse because of that subtle difference. --Ram ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
*** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what I have been telling all along. Litikai Assamese media will wait for the Mainstream Central India to tell them what headline to run in their paper. Even for newspapers in Assam, a regional news is not so important than a news in the rest of Indfia. When will litikai Assam wake up. Look at this news for instance, It is almsot 15 people (now) killied in the Kakopathaer violence. Now what is news is this: 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. 2) And on the other hand Litikai Assam CM, instead of visiting the site, is running along with Sonia Gandhi in campoaigning for election. I think this is the bottom of Assamese (sorry Asomese) litikai-ness. I think, for a change, it is the duty of the kharkhowa NRAs to bring this incident to the focus of international media. Can any kharkhowa Hobo Diok NRA suggest anything how to go about it? Does anybody knows the email address of BBC HQ and BBC New delhi? Umesh, can you suggest anything.? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' www.assamtribune.com 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'By A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 12 - The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers. Speaking on the topic 'Regional aspirations in national media,' Goswami was of the view that issues from some parts of the country did not figure in the priority list of national media. This was because of the inability of mediapersons to effectively 'push a story.' He
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what I have been telling all along. Litikai Assamese media will wait for the Mainstream Central India to tell them what headline to run in their paper. Even for newspapers in Assam, a regional news is not so important than a news in the rest of Indfia. When will litikai Assam wake up. Look at this news for instance, It is almsot 15 people (now) killied in the Kakopathaer violence. Now what is news is this: 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. 2) And on the other hand Litikai Assam CM, instead of visiting the site, is running along with Sonia Gandhi in campoaigning for election. I think this is the bottom of Assamese (sorry Asomese) litikai-ness. I think, for a change, it is the duty of the kharkhowa NRAs to bring this incident to the focus of international media. Can any kharkhowa Hobo Diok NRA suggest anything how to go about it? Does anybody knows the email address of BBC HQ and BBC New delhi? Umesh, can you suggest anything.? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM Subject:
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! Do you have something new invention in your pocket? Or you will simplify and skip the meaningless 'election' completlyand go to democracy straight: democracy for, by and of the Insurgents? That is what they are already doing in Burma. I say Hobo Diok. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders,
Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar
Title: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar Should we therefore conclude that ALL governments are EQUALLY BAD? That the US govt. is same as GoI for example ? What will that prove even you conclude that way. I would not.In true sense we have what is called the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Some kill in the name of patriotism, some attack and kill in 'self defence', and others just kill because they don't like them. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. Should we therefore conclude that ALL governments are EQUALLY BAD? That the US govt. is same as GoI for example ? And killing in self defense is the same as aggression? That there is no difference between a struggle for freedom and a military crackdown by colonial forces on freedom fighters? Or accept Ram's tack of attempting to make ALL killings equal? Is this yet another eruption of superior logic? Or is it a sneaky and pathetic attempt to absolve GoI's sins in Assam, and thus mitigating if not wash-off your own of your abject servitude of GoI ? I don't know Rajen. You do have a knack for inviting caustic commentary don't you? c At 10:11 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma ; Chan Mahanta Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar At 8:04 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: but Indian govt is sane and democratic, right? I was answering to above statement. What it has to do with Ajit Mahatna's killing? RB *** EVERYTHING! Do I need to explain? If so let me know. I will be pleased to comply. But it won't look good for the one asking for an explanation. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar Is UK govt sane and democratic? *** What does that have to do with how Ajit Mahanta was killed by Indian Army? Govt is by the people. Govt is what we make of it. *** That is a bunch of meaningless blather! Ajit Mahanta, or the pople of Kakopthar had NOTHING to do with HOW the Indian army or Indian Govt. or the Assam govt. operates. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat Do you have something new invention in your pocket? Or you will simplify and skip the meaningless 'election' completlyand go to democracy straight: democracy for, by and of the Insurgents? I say Hobo Diok. *** Actually your question does great disservice to your intelligence, experiences and exposures Rajen. By now you ought to have known a whole lot more and a whole lot better. Mouthing off without even attempting to utilize your deliberative abilities does not do anybody any good. At 11:11 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! Do you have something new invention in your pocket? Or you will simplify and skip the meaningless 'election' completlyand go to democracy straight: democracy for, by and of the Insurgents? That is what they are already doing in Burma. I say Hobo Diok. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what
Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar
Title: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar What will that prove even you conclude that way. *** Take a wild guess Rajen. I will resist the temptation to say things I know I will regret. At 11:31 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Should we therefore conclude that ALL governments are EQUALLY BAD? That the US govt. is same as GoI for example ? What will that prove even you conclude that way. I would not.In true sense we have what is called the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Some kill in the name of patriotism, some attack and kill in 'self defence', and others just kill because they don't like them. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. Should we therefore conclude that ALL governments are EQUALLY BAD? That the US govt. is same as GoI for example ? And killing in self defense is the same as aggression? That there is no difference between a struggle for freedom and a military crackdown by colonial forces on freedom fighters? Or accept Ram's tack of attempting to make ALL killings equal? Is this yet another eruption of superior logic? Or is it a sneaky and pathetic attempt to absolve GoI's sins in Assam, and thus mitigating if not wash-off your own of your abject servitude of GoI ? I don't know Rajen. You do have a knack for inviting caustic commentary don't you? c At 10:11 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: If it is not clear to you, I was saying that Indian govt is not sane. No govt is sane. I told you before: Killing is civilization. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma ; Chan Mahanta Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar At 8:04 PM -0600 2/12/06, Barua25 wrote: but Indian govt is sane and democratic, right? I was answering to above statement. What it has to do with Ajit Mahatna's killing? RB *** EVERYTHING! Do I need to explain? If so let me know. I will be pleased to comply. But it won't look good for the one asking for an explanation. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; priyankoo sarma Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Army firing in Kakopathar Is UK govt sane and democratic? *** What does that have to do with how Ajit Mahanta was killed by Indian Army? Govt is by the people. Govt is what we make of it. *** That is a bunch of meaningless blather! Ajit Mahanta, or the pople of Kakopthar had NOTHING to do with HOW the Indian army or Indian Govt. or the Assam govt. operates. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
Title: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only rest Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. *** Now if you could translate what the above means, we might have saved ourselves a whole lot of bandwidth waste here. But since it did not happen. allow me to help out: It means that the state govts. are a farce. They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi. It is the same for ALL the sates. The ultimate power lies with those who collects the taxes and controls the purse strings. Just like those who have controls over selecting candidates for elections, controls over campaigns with funding and controls over the courts /judicial system which in a REAL DEMOCRACY is the tool, the means, by which people HOLD their SERVANTS --their governments, accountable! At 9:56 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia,you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking serious note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take healing touch steps in the matter quickly. The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters, party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for
Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
Title: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only rest They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi Shall we say then thetrick is to get to Delhi so that we can control the whole India? May be a lesson for ULFA. What do you say? What prevents us from getting to Delhi? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. *** Now if you could translate what the above means, we might have saved ourselves a whole lot of bandwidth waste here. But since it did not happen. allow me to help out: It means that the state govts. are a farce. They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi. It is the same for ALL the sates. The ultimate power lies with those who collects the taxes and controls the purse strings. Just like those who have controls over selecting candidates for elections, controls over campaigns with funding and controls over the courts /judicial system which in a REAL DEMOCRACY is the tool, the means, by which people HOLD their SERVANTS --their governments, accountable! At 9:56 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia,you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking "serious" note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take "healing touch" steps in the matter quickly. "The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
Title: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only rest What prevents us from getting to Delhi? *** WHY don't you tell us? But it is FAR BETTER to take care of one's own affairs--like Assam's, than to go trying to take care of pother peoples' business! At 12:05 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi Shall we say then thetrick is to get to Delhi so that we can control the whole India? May be a lesson for ULFA. What do you say? What prevents us from getting to Delhi? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. *** Now if you could translate what the above means, we might have saved ourselves a whole lot of bandwidth waste here. But since it did not happen. allow me to help out: It means that the state govts. are a farce. They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi. It is the same for ALL the sates. The ultimate power lies with those who collects the taxes and controls the purse strings. Just like those who have controls over selecting candidates for elections, controls over campaigns with funding and controls over the courts /judicial system which in a REAL DEMOCRACY is the tool, the means, by which people HOLD their SERVANTS --their governments, accountable! At 9:56 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia,you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking serious note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take healing touch steps in the matter quickly. The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters, party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM
Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty.
Title: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only rest But it is FAR BETTER to take care of one's own affairs--like Assam's, Even to control Assam you need to get to the control seat. If the control seat is in Delhi, go there. Otherwise bring the control seat from Delhi. But I don't see any. What is the plan? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. What prevents us from getting to Delhi? *** WHY don't you tell us? But it is FAR BETTER to take care of one's own affairs--like Assam's, than to go trying to take care of pother peoples' business! At 12:05 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi Shall we say then thetrick is to get to Delhi so that we can control the whole India? May be a lesson for ULFA. What do you say? What prevents us from getting to Delhi? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia, you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. *** Now if you could translate what the above means, we might have saved ourselves a whole lot of bandwidth waste here. But since it did not happen. allow me to help out: It means that the state govts. are a farce. They are always at the mercy and beck and call of their masters at Delhi. It is the same for ALL the sates. The ultimate power lies with those who collects the taxes and controls the purse strings. Just like those who have controls over selecting candidates for elections, controls over campaigns with funding and controls over the courts /judicial system which in a REAL DEMOCRACY is the tool, the means, by which people HOLD their SERVANTS --their governments, accountable! At 9:56 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. Thank God. Now our 'Litikai Assam CM' will be able to repeat the above slogan approved by the Center. Even afetr a week after the incident the CM failed to make visit to the site. Wake up Litikai Assam CM Wake up Litikai Assam opposition parties. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Assam] Sensitive Sonia,you can heal Assam only restoring her Sovereignty. Sonia asks Centre to take quick 'healing touch' steps in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200602131819.htm New Delhi, Feb. 13 (PTI): Taking "serious" note of the killings in police firing in Assam, Congress President Sonia Gandhi, has asked the Centre to take "healing touch" steps in the matter quickly. "The Congress President has taken a serious note of the unfortunate deaths in Assam and raised the issue at appropriate quarters," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi, told reporters here today. He said the Congress President has asked the appropriate authorities to look into the matter carefully. Singhvi said the party High Command had assured that healing touch steps would be taken in the matter quickly. At least nine persons were killed in police firing and a CRPF man was stoned to death when demonstrators protesting the death of a suspected ULFA activist allegedly in army custody, clashed with security personnel in Kakopathar village in Assam on Friday. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the
[Assam] Indo-Myanmar Border Trade
The border trade at Moreh (India) and Tamu (Myanmar) was opened on 12th April, 1995. The trade is conducted in accordance with the laws, regulations and procedures in force in both countries.Brisk busuness is being done between the two border towns in Manipur and Burma. official business volume was 99 croes Rs in 1997. The unofficial is estimated at 1 billion $$ today. Assam can export anything from bycycle to computers to Burma. They will have to complete with China in trade from Stillwell Road from Eastren border. The artcle gives valuable information. RB -- Indo-Myanmar Border Trade By Dr. A. Surenjit Singh Informally from time immemorial, the people along the international border between India and Myanmar (formerly, Burma) were always having some kind of trade relations between them. Myanmar is one of those countries which seem to have been favored by nature. Its area is 6, 76,552 sq km. It soils is rich, producing rice and other food crops in abundance. There are vast forests containing a large variety of trees from which valuable timber is extracted. The ground yields petroleum and many minerals and precious stones including rubies, sapphires, jade etc. Therefore, Myanmar has been beautifully described as an Eastern Paradise of immense riches.The Government of India had already decided to have border trade with Myanmar as a policy of establishing good economic relationship since 1994. The Indo-Myanmar Border trade agreement between India and Myanmar was signed on 21st January, 1994 to facilitate a congenial trade practice. The border trade at Moreh (India) and Tamu (Myanmar) was opened on 12th April, 1995. The trade is conducted in accordance with the laws, regulations and procedures in force in both countries. Necessary provisions are made available to enable the buyers of either country to inspect and take delivery of goods at the customs posts in the country of the sellers. Though the trade is to be conducted in freely convertible currencies or in currencies mutually agreed upon by the two countries under Article-III of the agreement, the trade is functioning mainly under barter trade mechanism.The formalities in the trade:1. An Import Export Code (IEC) number is to be obtained from the office of the Deputy Director General of Foreign Trade, RG Baruah Road, Guwahati. The sample application form is available with the Export Promotion Cell/ Commerce Cell of the State Directorate of Commerce and Industries. A sum of Rs. 1,000 only in the shape of Demand Draft is to be accompanied with the application form and the amount should be drawn in favor of the Deputy Director General of Foreign Trade payable at Guwahati.2. A contract is to be executed between Indian and Myanmarese traders specifying the items to be traded/ bartered along with the values.3. Under the simplified norms of documentation system, the required documents for border trade are invoice, packing list, certificate of origin, phytosanttary certificate from the Plant Quarantine Office, Moreh in case of agricultural items. The Certificate of Origin is to be obtained from the Federation of All Manipur Importer Exporter Chamber of Commerce Industry, Room No. 4 of Hotel Nataraj, near Central Bank of India, MG Avenue, Imphal or the Associated Manipur Chamber of Commerce near Dharmasala, MG Avenue, Imphal.4. In case the items are under the Negative list of Export-Import Policy (1997-2002), licenses are to be obtained from the office of the Director General of Foreign Trade, Government of India, Ministry of Commerce, Udyok Bhavan, New Delhi.In order to carry on the border trade profitably by both countries, 22 items have been identified and declared as exchangeable items by the agreement. These items are:1. Mustard/Rape seed, 2. Pulses and Beans, 3. Fresh vegetables, 4. Fruits, 5. Garlic, 6. Onion, 7. Chillies. 8. Spices (excluding nut-meg, mace, cloves and cassia), 9. Bamboo, 10. Minor forest produce (excluding teak), 11. Betal Nuts and leaves, 12. Food items for local consumption, 13. Tobacco, 14. Tomato, 15. Reed Broom, 16. Sesame, 17. Resin, 18. Coriander seeds, 19. Soya-bean, 20 Roasted Sunflower seeds, 21. Katha and 22. Ginger.For free movements by the residents of the two sides, Indo-Myanmar Travel passes are issued for visit upto Kalewa/ Kalemyo in Myanmar and upto Imphal on Indian side. These passes on the Indian side are issued by DC Imphal/ DC Thoubal/ DC
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Just mentioning the news in the back page of the newspaper is not enough --which generally happens to such news. What is in the headlines of the front pages --or on the main page of the website of the newswebsite. It is not Assam's tragedy -atleast.UmeshPS: I would suggest getting the email addresses of the newspapersand magsacross the world --and emailing them the news from Assam - both good and bad.Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua- Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'Barua,1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others.Not true. Almost every national paper I read online has been carrying the news about the Kakopathaer violence for the last 3, 4 days. I can cite a few - TOI, Hind. Times, The Hindu, The Telegraph, The Statesman, Kerala Times and so on. Further, they have also been carrying the news about the AASU bandh call for the 14th and the ULFA bandh call for the 13th. BTW: Even the BBC has carried it--Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. This is what I have been telling all along. Litikai Assamese media will wait for the Mainstream Central India to tell them what headline to run in their paper. Even for newspapers in Assam, a regional news is not so important than a news in the rest of Indfia. When will litikai Assam wake up. Look at this news for instance, It is almsot 15 people (now) killied in the Kakopathaer violence. Now what is news is this: 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. 2) And on the other hand Litikai Assam CM, instead of visiting the site, is running along with Sonia Gandhi in campoaigning for election. I think this is the bottom of Assamese (sorry Asomese) litikai-ness.I think, for a change, it is the duty of the kharkhowa NRAs to bring this incident to the focus of international media.Can any kharkhowa Hobo Diok NRA suggest anything how to go about it? Does anybody knows the email address of BBC HQ and BBC New delhi?Umesh, can you suggest anything.? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'www.assamtribune.com'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'By A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 12 The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers. Speaking on the topic 'Regional aspirations in national media,' Goswami was of the view that issues from some parts of the country did not figure in the priority list of national media. This was because of the inability of mediapersons to effectively 'push a story.' He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion-makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight. He urged the regional media to be aggressive and favoured investigative journalism focusing on corrupt practices. The media had the right to dig deep into public affairs and those responsible for corruption and other malpractices should be identified. He regretted that there was an acute absence of exposes and penetrating reports, which could shock and embarrass those who were guilty. Earlier, the function witnessed moving moments when the founder editor of the Asam Bani Satis Chandra Kakati, was felicitated and he addressed the gathering. In his brief speech, the veteran journalist spoke about the background to the weekly's appearance in July 1955. In a voice choked with emotion, he recalled how late Radha Govinda Baruah approached him to be the editor and how both of them made attempts to make the
[Assam] AT: Mahanta's family -- A picture speaks more than a 1000 words
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jaipurschool/album?.dir=/8328.src="">from www.assamtribune.com the photo of Ajit Mahanta's family at their home in their village. It seems like a very young couple and their kids living in a mud house - presumably the most economically backward area of Assam (which is already the most backward region of India ).This house has hardly any space -it seems - to harbor any militants. However it is possible that due to the backwardness of this village many of its inhabitants might have joined the ULFA (as have residents of backward areas in Bihar and Chhatisgarh in central India) . Since it is a small place it is likely Ajit knew them all as childhood friends and might have said hello to those who ventured into the village from time to time. The army informants told army that this guy knws the militants and can lead you to them. Rest is history.UmeshPS: I know quite a few people in India who might be involved in murders or robberies or might be knowing others who do . If I say hello to them on the street is it enough to get me lifted to the police station and killed.Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] The lack of rule of law in India
He is not wrong about Indian police tactics. Though it another matter what he does to people who cooperate with the police against him. West based people might draw a parallel with Saddam's trial currenty where lawyers have been killed and witnesses under attack.Umesh from the article: Asked what was the problem for Dawood in facing trial in India, he said "no one has ever said 'no' to it. If you hold a fair hearing, we are ready to face the trial. But you know how Indian police obtain evidence. People go healthy but come out unhealthy. There is no rule of law in India". Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now Dawood Ibrahim joins the ranks of those luminarieson this board who talk about the lack of rule of lawin India.http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62770__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.orgUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Assam] AT: Mahanta's family -- A picture speaks more than a 1000 words
Umesh, It seems like a very young couple and their kids living in a mud house - presumably the most economically backward area of Assam (which is already the most backward region of India ). It might surprise you, there are places in Madhya Pradesh/UP/Bihar that are far worse than any place in Assam. In my younger days, I have been fortunate to visit some of the far away villages in Assam. In fact, in one particular village (Pokua, Nalbari) I stayed at a friend's ancestral home for about 2 weeks. Those 2 weeks were one of the best vacations I have ever had - better than some of the others in the West. The term 'backward' specially in Assam's case really refers to the lack of heavy industries, highways, power etc. I don't believe that people in these places are 'economically backward'. That term seems to connote that 'economically backward' is synomous with 'cultural backwardness'. Maybe I am reading you wrong, but trust me, I would exchange, in a heartbeat, a sojourn in an Assamese village than probably most other places in India. The people in many of these villages are often educated and literate. Theymay bepoor (financially), but are rich in hospitality. Comparing that to scenes in Madhya Pradesh and Bihar (I have travelled MP quite extensively), I would rate Assam's villages at a much higher scale. --Ram da On 2/13/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jaipurschool/album?.dir=/8328.src="" from www.assamtribune.com the photo of Ajit Mahanta's family at their home in their village. It seems like a very young couple and their kids living in a mud house - presumably the most economically backward area of Assam (which is already the most backward region of India ). This house has hardly any space -it seems - to harbor any militants. However it is possible that due to the backwardness of this village many of its inhabitants might have joined the ULFA (as have residents of backward areas in Bihar and Chhatisgarh in central India) . Since it is a small place it is likely Ajit knew them all as childhood friends and might have said hello to those who ventured into the village from time to time. The army informants told army that this guy knws the militants and can lead you to them. Rest is history. Umesh PS: I know quite a few people in India who might be involved in murders or robberies or might be knowing others who do . If I say hello to them on the street is it enough to get me lifted to the police station and killed. Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University, Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now, this looks like more of the pie-in-sky theory. For every Assamese that can say Assam is a non-Indian state, one can at least 10 who will claim that it is. And we can keep playing this round-robin game till the cows come home. But what are the realities: 1) There is unrest in Assam. Many are not happy with the state of governance of GOI/GOA 2)Those who are unhappy have no concrete plans of how to improve the situation within the Indian constitution or outside of it. 3) They also have no concrete plans or proposals to convince the nay-sayers in Assam that what they are promising is not the moon, but something concrete, plausible, and within grasp. That the GOI/GOA is good or bad has very little to with claiming that Assam is a non-Indian state. The reality is it is a part parcel of India - politically. Further, this protest by 200,000 + in Tinisukia was more to tell the authorities that they have overstepped their bounds and the culprits be brought to book. It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. Nothing could be further from reality. --Ram On 2/13/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and
[Assam] NYTimes.com: Tutor Program Offered by Law Is Going Unused
Title: E-Mail This This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from sender: In a world where India is still trying to get children into school US has gone many steps further and trying to get free tutoring after school for those who need to improve their academics. I am now in one of the Harvard Univ. guided programs engaged in such work with poorest and minority students. Still it seems not everyone is interested. umesh EDUCATION | February 12, 2006 Tutor Program Offered by Law Is Going Unused By SUSAN SAULNY Four years after President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind law, vast numbers of students are not getting the tutoring that the law offers as one of its hallmarks. 1. The Lowdown on Sweet? 2. At Churches Nationwide, Good Words for Evolution 3. A Record Snow: 26.9 Inches Fall in New York City 4. Cheney Shoots Fellow Hunter in Mishap on a Texas Ranch 5. Op-Ed Contributor: Dogs Like Us Go to Complete List Advertisement NIGHT WATCH opens in select cities February 17thJoin millions around the world who have experienced the epic that is NIGHT WATCH (NOCHNOI DOZOR), the highest grossing Russian film of all time and the first of a fantasy-horror trilogy by visionary director Timur Bekmambetov.http://www2.foxsearchlight.com/nwnd/ Do you love NY? Get the insiders guide to where to stay, what to do and where to eat. Go to www.nytimes.com/travel for your NYC Guide now. Click here. Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? *** First of al, what does this have to do with the context: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** And WHY do I have to decide WHO may or may not feel they are not Indians? For that matter why do YOU? If you must go do that in some fori=um that deals with that. I am discussing Assam here. Not Bihasr, not Tamil Nadu, not Kashmir, not Gujarat. What do these other states' inr terests have to do with Assam's? It nmever WAS a part of India! At 4:55 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. *** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement. At 5:32 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now, this looks like more of the pie-in-sky theory. For every Assamese that can say Assam is a non-Indian state, one can at least 10 who will claim that it is. And we can keep playing this round-robin game till the cows come home. But what are the realities: 1) There is unrest in Assam. Many are not happy with the state of governance of GOI/GOA 2)Those who are unhappy have no concrete plans of how to improve the situation within the Indian constitution or outside of it. 3) They also have no concrete plans or proposals to convince the nay-sayers in Assam that what they are promising is not the moon, but something concrete, plausible, and within grasp. That the GOI/GOA is good or bad has very little to with claiming that Assam is a non-Indian state. The reality is it is a part parcel of India - politically. Further, this protest by 200,000 + in Tinisukia was more to tell the authorities that they have overstepped their bounds and the culprits be brought to book. It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. Nothing could be further from reality. --Ram On 2/13/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Ram-da,You are great at visualizing. It seems to me that it happened exactly as you describe. Well, some of us do not appreciate the imaginative abilities oof human beings so may go on deaf ears also.Be prepared for negative reactions also.Regards.UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:C'da,*** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement.I can visualize the scene. Trying to deduce logically what could have happened.Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. The GOA and the army are nonchallant and did not take steps to inquire/redress the situationPeople from surrounding villages give support to the Mahantas Politicians (the opposition to the ruling govt.) see this asan opportunity - remember this is election time, and everyone gets into the fray. The ulfa also sees this as a great opportunity to get into this fray (remember Ajit Mahanta is not considered having links with ulfa).The Ulfa calls for a 12 hour bandh. The AASU (which is at loggerheads with Ulfa) also call for a 12 band for the next day. Both bandhs are going to to be successful. Nothing suceeds like bandhs. Even a normal 'drop of a hat' bandh gets near total success, and this tradegy with a number of people dead is charged with emotions is guaranteed to be a success. If one were to assume that the success of the bandh today (by the ulfa) was because people want a 'free Assam', how would you judge the success of the bandh call by AASU tomorrow? Remember, the AASU position is to work within the Indian Constitution and DOES NOT seek independence.So, if both the bandhs are a success, how can you say that they were the clarion call for independence? The same people observing the bandh cannot be for and against independence, can they? So, my conclusion, is that the protests/bandhs have nothing to do with Assam's sovereignty, but more to do with the frustrations at an inept GOA and an army that went berserk.But its nice to feel that the bandhs/protests are on your side -:)--RamOn 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. *** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement. At 5:32 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state.Now, this looks like more of the pie-in-sky theory. For every Assamese that can say "Assam is a non-Indian state", one can at least 10 who will claim that it is. And we can keep playing this round-robin game till the cows come home.But what are the realities:1) There is unrest in Assam. Many are not happy with the state of governance of GOI/GOA 2)Those who are unhappy have no concrete plans of how to improve the situation within the Indian constitution or outside of it. 3) They also have no concrete plans or proposals to convince the nay-sayers in Assam that what they are promising is not the moon, but something concrete, plausible, and within grasp. That the GOI/GOA is good or bad has very little to with claiming that Assam is a non-Indian state. The reality is it is a part parcel of India - politically. Further, this protest by 200,000 + in Tinisukia was more to tell the authorities that they have overstepped their bounds and the culprits be brought to book. It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. Nothing could be further from reality. --Ram On 2/13/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent?Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RBUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
[Assam] 5 star Teacher Training Workshop in Washington DC , army and morale boosting
Hi, 5 star treatment:I attended an In-Service teacher training program at a 5 starMarriott hotel near my house this weekend. About 25 teachers came from three cities including DC, Baltimore andd other counties of Maryland. The trainer was the same how had conducted our induction training the day before we had breakfast and lunch also there. Though we had many parties at Harvard Univ. (or lunches or wine and cheese receptions) in a similar environs -- this one was special since I was now here as an employee where not grades might go down but it would affect my daily bread.Why 5 star hotel? I must say I felt very lightheaded and good after the program. Despite hailing from a place which has some of the top hotels in the world (incl RajVilas of Oberoi group, Sheraton , Park etc incl King's palaces of Taj group) I had never beein to one inside US. It felt really good - just like business execs are treated - here and in India. My first meal at a 5 star was at Rajputana Sheraton while working for Indian Express. I imagine the cost in India for a group of 40 people would be about Between Rs 200 and Rs 1000 per head or US$5- 22 (incl day's rent) . Which is equal to about 3 days pay for a school teacher in India.Morale boosting If such a program is held once a year - I think it would raise the morale of the teachers working in remote villages - connecting them with the latest "sophistication" and businesslike environment. I did see teacher training programs conductedwithin school campus for regular teachers --but the tougher the work environment the more you appreciate such luxuries. I remember reading in prof Reimer's edited book (Unequal Schools , Unequal Chances) the article by Prof. Schiefelbeinanalyzing Chilian govt experiment (P900?) with "teacher resource centers" in rural areas where teachers gathered periodically to discuss and learn from each other teaching techniques. This strategy was and is being used in India (as Prof reimers later said that the person who designed the Chilian program later designed India's World Bank funded program in 1990s) . The outcome was that although the teacher did not learn fromeach others techniques -- this did help them connect with each other and increased motivation -in the remote rural areas with few educated and aware people. Rural-urban rotation - my view Five star treatment once a year for rural teachers -would be like the glittering march past and parades the military conducts - to keep the morale of the troops high (high enough to fight for the country in remote areas). Ofcourse, Indian army ensures that no soldier spends more than six years at a stretch in the field (remote areas) . For extreme places like Siachin Glacier battlefield in Kashmir (6000m or 20,000 feet high) noone stays for more than 6 months. Rural teachers need to circulated to urban areas periodically - their duration in rural terrains depending upon the ruggedness of the environs. THE TRAININGAims We discussed various issues while sitting around various round tables and looking at the trainer and the powerpoint presentation. At the outset she mentioned that our non profit believed in using teaching strategies - proven by research - toimprove primary school students' achievements - from Black and Latino families. The non profit is closely associated with Harvard university with professors from Harvard Grad. scchool of Education working closely with it and being on its board of directors (as mentioned in all its letters also). Harvard Ed. School also has the same motto - edu. improvement thru strategies proven by research. Learning to Read The focus was on reading comprehension since if a student cannot read and understand s/he cannot learn any other subject either. Many students know how to do math but when given word problems cannot get it correct unless someone reads them the question. Thus, knowingwhat is written is important. 6 dimenions of reading were discussed as in a six pointed star: 1. phonemic awareness 2. systematic phonics 3. background knowledge and key vocabulary 4. fluency 5. comprhension 6. motivationThe first two (mentioned below) it was said we cannot help kids in our program -since it takes time to develop these skills - better suited to regular school. However some kids cannot even sound out words and prononounce "saw" as "was" since they are familiar with "was" or "on' as "no." One kid is very good at sounding out unfamiliar and long words though - whenshe feels like it. She is the mischiefmaker.Phonemic awarness refers to the skill knowledge to understand how phonemes or speech sounds are connected to print. systematic phonics - ability to decode unfamiliar words.Co-construction of knowledge this co-constructivitist theory was told as " Meaning is made not caught" - that info is not flying offf the book and jumping in your chest -it has to be
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Ram-da,I think you are right.UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh,You are great at visualizing. It seems to me that it happened exactly as you describeThank you for that vote of confidence. I am a good dreamer -:). But, don't get me wrong, if there ever was a need to declare a bandh, this is one case. The bandh was necessary to bring the attention of the authorities and the army. The army at the very least in this situation was culaable of trying to cover up. If Mahanta was indeed an Ulfa or had links with them, he should have been accorded due process. To have dumped his body and claiming that he fell down etc, reek of a cover up and stinks to high heaven. Unfortuanely, the GOA (and the army) only wake up when there is large scale violence and people dying left and right. Today, I read somewhere that Sonia Gandhi was initially told (by the GOA) everything was A-OK with the simmering problem. It was the congress whip who took it upon himself to appraise her of the situation. In the end, its all politics, and the innocent pay the price.Be prepared for negative reactions alsoOh! I will try and defend myself as best as I can.--Ram daOn 2/13/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da,You are great at visualizing. It seems to me that it happened exactly as you describe. Well, some of us do not appreciate the imaginative abilities oof human beings so may go on deaf ears also.Be prepared for negative reactions also.Regards.Umesh Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da,*** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement.I can visualize the scene. Trying to deduce logically what could have happened.Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. The GOA and the army are nonchallant and did not take steps to inquire/redress the situationPeople from surrounding villages give support to the Mahantas Politicians (the opposition to the ruling govt.) see this asan opportunity - remember this is election time, and everyone gets into the fray. The ulfa also sees this as a great opportunity to get into this fray (remember Ajit Mahanta is not considered having links with ulfa).The Ulfa calls for a 12 hour bandh. The AASU (which is at loggerheads with Ulfa) also call for a 12 band for the next day. Both bandhs are going to to be successful. Nothing suceeds like bandhs. Even a normal 'drop of a hat' bandh gets near total success, and this tradegy with a number of people dead is charged with emotions is guaranteed to be a success. If one were to assume that the success of the bandh today (by the ulfa) was because people want a 'free Assam', how would you judge the success of the bandh call by AASU tomorrow? Remember, the AASU position is to work within the Indian Constitution and DOES NOT seek independence.So, if both the bandhs are a success, how can you say that they were the clarion call for independence? The same people observing the bandh cannot be for and against independence, can they? So, my conclusion, is that the protests/bandhs have nothing to do with Assam's sovereignty, but more to do with the frustrations at an inept GOA and an army that went berserk.But its nice to feel that the bandhs/protests are on your side -:)--RamOn 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. *** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement. At 5:32 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state.Now, this looks like more of the pie-in-sky theory. For every Assamese that can say "Assam is a non-Indian state", one can at least 10 who will claim that it is. And we can keep playing this round-robin game till the cows come home.But what are the realities:1) There is unrest in Assam. Many are not happy with the state of governance of GOI/GOA 2)Those who are unhappy have no concrete plans of how to improve the situation within the Indian constitution or outside of it. 3) They also have no concrete plans or proposals to convince the nay-sayers in Assam that what they are promising is not the moon, but something concrete, plausible, and within grasp. That the GOI/GOA is good or bad has very little to with claiming that Assam is a non-Indian state. The reality is it is a part parcel of India - politically. Further, this protest by 200,000 + in Tinisukia was more to tell the authorities that they have
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. More like 27. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:17:21 -0600 Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I
Re: [Assam] 5 star Teacher Training Workshop in Washington DC , army and morale boosting
You oughyt to invent or CREATE your own IDEAL teacher's version-not 5-star US/Indo/Rajasthan ones Right now you are behaving like the million Indians ogling at the developed world every yearand pitying oneself on return. mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] 5 star Teacher Training Workshop in Washington DC ,army and morale boostingDate:Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:49:34 + (GMT) Hi, 5 star treatment: I attended an In-Service teacher training program at a 5 starMarriott hotel near my house this weekend. About 25 teachers came from three cities including DC, Baltimore andd other counties of Maryland. The trainer was the same how had conducted our induction training the day before we had breakfast and lunch also there. Though we had many parties at Harvard Univ. (or lunches or wine and cheese receptions) in a similar environs -- this one was special since I was now here as an employee where not grades might go down but it would affect my daily bread. Why 5 star hotel? I must say I felt very lightheaded and good after the program. Despite hailing from a place which has some of the top hotels in the world (incl RajVilas of Oberoi group, Sheraton , Park etc incl King's palaces of Taj group) I had never beein to one inside US. It felt really good - just like business execs are treated - here and in India. My first meal at a 5 star was at Rajputana Sheraton while working for Indian Express. I imagine the cost in India for a group of 40 people would be about Between Rs 200 and Rs 1000 per head or US$5- 22 (incl day's rent) . Which is equal to about 3 days pay for a school teacher in India. Morale boosting If such a program is held once a year - I think it would raise the morale of the teachers working in remote villages - connecting them with the latest "sophistication" and businesslike environment. I did see teacher training programs conductedwithin school campus for regular teachers --but the tougher the work environment the more you appreciate such luxuries. I remember reading in prof Reimer's edited book (Unequal Schools , Unequal Chances) the article by Prof. Schiefelbeinanalyzing Chilian govt experiment (P900?) with "teacher resource centers" in rural areas where teachers gathered periodically to discuss and learn from each other teaching techniques. This strategy was and is being used in India (as Prof reimers later said that the person who designed the Chilian program later designed India's World Bank funded program in 1990s) . The outcome was that although the teacher did not learn fromeach others techniques -- this did help them connect with each other and increased motivation -in the remote rural areas with few educated and aware people. Rural-urban rotation - my view Five star treatment once a year for rural teachers -would be like the glittering march past and parades the military conducts - to keep the morale of the troops high (high enough to fight for the country in remote areas). Ofcourse, Indian army ensures that no soldier spends more than six years at a stretch in the field (remote areas) . For extreme places like Siachin Glacier battlefield in Kashmir (6000m or 20,000 feet high) noone stays for more than 6 months. Rural teachers need to circulated to urban areas periodically - their duration in rural terrains depending upon the ruggedness of the environs. THE TRAINING Aims We discussed various issues while sitting around various round tables and looking at the trainer and the powerpoint presentation. At the outset she mentioned that our non profit believed in using teaching strategies - proven by research - toimprove primary school students' achievements - from Black and Latino families. The non profit is closely associated with Harvard university with professors from Harvard Grad. scchool of Education working closely with it and being on its board of directors (as mentioned in all its letters also). Harvard Ed. School also has the same motto - edu. improvement thru strategies proven by research. Learning to Read The focus was on reading comprehension since if a student cannot read and understand s/he cannot learn any other subject either. Many students know how to do math but when given word problems cannot get it correct unless someone reads them the question. Thus, knowingwhat is written is important. 6 dimenions of reading were discussed as in a six pointed star: 1. phonemic awareness 2. systematic phonics 3. background knowledge and key vocabulary 4. fluency 5. comprhension 6. motivation The first two (mentioned below) it was said we cannot help kids in our program -since it takes time to develop these skills - better suited to regular school. However some kids cannot even sound out words and prononounce "saw" as "was" since they are familiar with "was" or "on' as "no." One kid is very good at sounding out unfamiliar and long words though
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'
Assam is a non-Indian state", one can-- at least 10 who will claim that it is. Lies,damn lies,statistics!! mm From:Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'Date:Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:32:02 -0600 So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now, this looks like more of the pie-in-sky theory. For every Assamese that can say "Assam is a non-Indian state", one can at least 10 who will claim that it is. And we can keep playing this round-robin game till the cows come home. But what are the realities: 1) There is unrest in Assam. Many are not happy with the state of governance of GOI/GOA 2)Those who are unhappy have no concrete plans of how to improve the situation within the Indian constitution or outside of it. 3) They also have no concrete plans or proposals to convince the nay-sayers in Assam that what they are promising is not the moon, but something concrete, plausible, and within grasp. That the GOI/GOA is good or bad has very little to with claiming that Assam is a non-Indian state. The reality is it is a part parcel of India - politically. Further, this protest by 200,000 + in Tinisukia was more to tell the authorities that they have overstepped their bounds and the culprits be brought to book. It would be a hugeleapif some were to assume the protests/bandhs this week as a protest and clamour for a Free Assam. Nothing could be further from reality. --Ram On 2/13/06, Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06,
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people GOI should unban even after 15 years to transform them into a Hamas. That'll be courage displayedbya Super-power Aspirant. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:37:00 -0600 Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for the information. That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. Barua - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Barua25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Barua, 1) There is hardly any National news coverage of the incident not to speak of BBC and others. Not true. Almost every national paper I
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'
You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. Really? mm From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:59:09 -0600 And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise. Last time while at Guwahati, the whole place was agog and busy with elections and campaigns. It showed that people were very much into it. In fact, I met some elderly people, who seemed all excited by the elections. No, C'da - the politicians (good or bad) are representing the people. The people (whether they were roundly duped or not) still went to the polls in huge numbers, and voted their representatives. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? Hopefully you are not basing that support on the 100,000-200,000 people protesting the other day. Assam's population, if I remember is 47 million. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves us only with Litikai Assam CM and Assam politicians. *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. Just like these NRAs who would deny Assam its rights to self determination and self-rule and would rather remain a colony for Indian exploitation.They are no doubt the establishment, put in power and sustained by Dilli's reverse Robin-hoodism policies liberally augmented with bribery and protected by its military machine. That is the difference! At 7:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: Ram: I stand corrected on this. Thanks for
Re: [Assam] Compassionate?!
the army higher ups to do the right thing. --Ram I say Army is strategically bungling! They should have maintained a neutral stance"We only followed what Politicians wanted us to" It is clear- India has nobody in the driving seatto say "The buck stops here" mm From:Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Compassionate?!Date:Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:23:42 -0600 MM da, If the army did NOT make at least an effort in that direction, or had been callous or nonchalant we would have felt worse. Now, at least, the army is offering the wife a job, some money and free education for her children. I know, this will not in anyway even scratch the surface of her grief and loss, but we do need to recognize its a small effort by the army higher ups to do the right thing. --Ram On 2/12/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is just a gesture, a gesture nevertheless in the right direction. Ram saw compassion in Indian Army,s handing over a cheque. Should we see it that way--or as ""Bungling,Bunling we shall proceed to become a super power"" mm ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'
If it is happening everywhere, that is if all the states are crying to get out of India, then why not Assam join other states and strengthenthe voice to get out? Why Assam seems to be suffering and crying alone? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia' You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. Really? mm From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:59:09 -0600 And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is the problem. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ram Sarangapani Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Ram: I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. *** There is a simple explanation for it: The insurgency is a a vehicle for getting to the point of being able to change governments for Assam --to be more effective. It is NOT an end. And why is it required? For the simple reason that the current system is controlled by India to serve India's interests, not Assam's. And des-demokrasy is UNCHANGEABLE! Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? *** IF NOT, why do we see no change? Why have changes of government produced any change of policies? And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? At 11:00 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! I haven't seen insurgents meeting the true needs of the people. All we have seen or heard is all the mayhem over the years. How do you put them on a pedestal and claim that they represent the true aspirations of the people? Elections may be orchestrated by politicians. Are you saying that the people are being duped over and over again by these politicains and their goons? If that is the set of people you are working with, how can you NOT say that the insurgents are actually doing the same thing as these politicians are- ie. duping/forcing people to support them? --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busy with elections and campaigns. *** That is a very simplistic way of deciding it isn't it? The same old concept of elections as the test of democracy! IF indeed they do represent the people of Assam, WHY the insurgency? Why did Kakopothar happen? Why are there statewide 'bandhs' back to back? The fact is that the Indian elections are a farce, a sham. The people have no SAY in truly selecting their candidates. The candidates are arbitrarily selected and the campaigns are controlled by vested interests thru their willing servants of the government establishment. The Assam Govt. is NOT therefore a TRUE representation of the people of Assam, nor do they serve their real needs, as has been demonstrated over and over again. Do the insurgents represent the people? If so, can you explain how you have measured that? *** See above! At 10:35 AM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: *** What is missing in these simpleminded verdicts is the fact that Assam Govt. , Assam Politicians. DO NOT comprise the people of Assam. And they are NOT representatives of the PEOPLE of ASSAM. They do NOT? Thats a huge surprise.
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
Barua, Excellent points. If we go by which state or territory was/was not a part of India logic, India may actually come out ahead. Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India. This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country belongs(belonged) to them. They know (deep down) that they will never have an Indian Nation - but to keep the rhetoric going is probably good for exacting out things from the Feds. The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future. So, its better for the insurgents and its supporters to see the light of the day and exact things less than 'freedom' from India. MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The nextPM to see their way again may actually never come. They may have to deal with a Lalu Prasad or some crook the next time, who may not have time (or the intelligence) to deal with something as far away as Assam. I hope they don't miss this chance with the present Indian administration. Already it looks like the insurgents have bitten off more than they can swallow with the sovereignty demand. --Ram --Ram On 2/13/06, Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do these other states' inr terests have to do with Assam's? It has because you asked the question. WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? It nmever WAS a part of India! You mean in the past? But it is now a part of India. Let us talk of the present. Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Kashmir, Andaman Nikobar, Kerela and many other states were never parts of present India. Other states like Tamil Nadu etc were parts of India for some of the time. But what that has to do with the prsent. Are you trying to say that your grandfather were rich and therfore I have a right to be rich? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? *** First of al, what does this have to do with the context: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** And WHY do I have to decide WHO may or may not feel they are not Indians? For that matter why do YOU? If you must go do that in some fori=um that deals with that. I am discussing Assam here. Not Bihasr, not Tamil Nadu, not Kashmir, not Gujarat. What do these other states' inr terests have to do with Assam's? It nmever WAS a part of India! At 4:55 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Now you seem to betalking. So it looks like some states are India and some states will then benon-India. OK let us go with your logic and see where it will lead into. Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state. Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India andnon-India states? For instance, is Bihar a non-India state or India state. What about Kerela? Or Meghalaya or Arunachal Pradesh for that matter? Or our new born sister Sikkim? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. *** And does that mean the other states are NOT complaining --CRYING -- that they are being run ineffectively? And WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? Does it make any sense? At 1:21 PM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: That may be a revelation for you. But it is a fact that : Others are not crying like Assam. Others are not shouting like Assam howineffective their stategovt is. Others are not dying like in Assam. Others are doing insurgency like Assam. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media' Elsewhere in India it is not happening. *** That is yet another gem of a revelation !!! At 11:59 AM -0600 2/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. That is
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in na Yes, yes! Rajen has exclusive rights to inside information. He also has told us that he does NOT read newspapers, and therefore he must have it from the REAL insiders! At 8:03 AM +0530 2/14/06, mc mahant wrote: You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. Really? mm ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat It has because you asked the question. *** I did? I learn something everyday! But I remember differently. It arose from a phoolosophical assertion that all govts. are bad. And I did not make it. You mean in the past? Take a wild guess! But it is now a part of India. *** That is YOUR concept. Not something Assam universally accepts. Or did you forget that? Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Kashmir, Andaman Nikobar, Kerela and many other states were never parts of present India. *** Tell me something I don't know. But what that has to do with the prsent. *** Exactly. What? Are you trying to say that your grandfather were rich and therfore I have a right to be rich? RB *** Is this another eruption of superior logic? At 8:53 PM -0600 2/13/06, Barua25 wrote: What do these other states' inr terests have to do with Assam's? It has because you asked the question. WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent? It nmever WAS a part of India! You mean in the past? But it is now a part of India. Let us talk of the present. Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Kashmir, Andaman Nikobar, Kerela and many other states were never parts of present India. Other states like Tamil Nadu etc were parts of India for some of the time. But what that has to do with the prsent. Are you trying to say that your grandfather were rich and therfore I have a right to be rich? RB ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia'
Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in na If it is happening everywhere, *** That was a response to: And why are people CRYING right here about HOW ineffective Assam's govt. ( just like elsewhere in India) is? Ah Ah You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India ---that is if all the states are crying to get out of India *** And the above is NOT a natural corollary to the former. Or is it? The fact that state govts., created in the image of the Center, and controlled by the center, are just as ineffective and bogus as they are in Assam. And every state is crying about it. Oh I realize it is only a SEGMENT of the population; those who are aware of what is going on--unlike say our NRA experts. The clueless but privileged elite are happy as clams. And why shouldn't they be? Why would they want their golden goose killed? Why Assam seems to be suffering and crying alone? *** Why don't you come for Assam's aid, instead of bad mouthing it all the time, and resorting to phoolosophy when in a jam? What prevents you from doing YOUR fair share? At 9:20 PM -0600 2/13/06, Barua25 wrote: If it is happening everywhere, that is if all the states are crying to get out of India, then why not Assam join other states and strengthenthe voice to get out? Why Assam seems to be suffering and crying alone? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nationalmedia' You cannot slip that phrase there. - just like elsewhere in India Elsewhere in India it is not happening. Really? mm ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Title: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in nat R: Your visualizations enumerated here are NOT the only possibilities. Or are they? For example: Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. *** What if he DID have ULFA links? Would he have automatically forfeited the right to live? And how do YOU know that he did not? The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. *** How do you know that? Is it in the realm of possibilities that the villages did KNOW that he had ULFA links. And what if they came to his defense--although tragically late, because they too are sympathizers themselves ? Is it possible? You asserted that the popular outrage ad NOTHING to do with sovereignty. Is it hard to conceive of the fact that ULFA is synonymous with Assam's sovereignty aspirations ? I can imagine it would be who are in abject denial. But anyone willing to acknowledge reality would agree that it IS so. And if it is so, then how can you assert what you do, with even a modicum of credibility? But its nice to feel that the bandhs/protests are on your side -:) *** Thanks for the thought. c-da At 6:32 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, *** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement. I can visualize the scene. Trying to deduce logically what could have happened. Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. The GOA and the army are nonchallant and did not take steps to inquire/redress the situation People from surrounding villages give support to the Mahantas Politicians (the opposition to the ruling govt.) see this asan opportunity - remember this is election time, and everyone gets into the fray. The ulfa also sees this as a great opportunity to get into this fray (remember Ajit Mahanta is not considered having links with ulfa). The Ulfa calls for a 12 hour bandh. The AASU (which is at loggerheads with Ulfa) also call for a 12 band for the next day. Both bandhs are going to to be successful. Nothing suceeds like bandhs. Even a normal 'drop of a hat' bandh gets near total success, and this tradegy with a number of people dead is charged with emotions is guaranteed to be a success. If one were to assume that the success of the bandh today (by the ulfa) was because people want a 'free Assam', how would you judge the success of the bandh call by AASU tomorrow? Remember, the AASU position is to work within the Indian Constitution and DOES NOT seek independence. So, if both the bandhs are a success, how can you say that they were the clarion call for independence? The same people observing the bandh cannot be for and against independence, can they? So, my conclusion, is that the protests/bandhs have nothing to do with Assam's sovereignty, but more to do with the frustrations at an inept GOA and an army that went berserk. But its nice to feel that the bandhs/protests are on your side -:) --Ram ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Clendestine radio broadcast from Kashmir..
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Re: [Assam] Clendestine radio broadcast from Kashmir..
Hi Babul, Interesting links. Why are these clandestine? They could have broadcast right from Islamabad itself and ISI could have beamed the waves anywhere. After all the iSI is incahoots with these jedhadi elements. BTW: what is that $1 that they returned - didn't get that. --Ram da On 2/13/06, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt2.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-tpg.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt1.jpg ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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C'da*** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind.Well, I am not one of them. I think India would be better of without having to drag Pakistan, B;desh, or Afganistan kicking and screaming into the 21st century. This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country belongs(belonged) to them. *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA does not automatically nullify that right, does it? Sure it did. But the country was largely developed by the 'immigrants'. And its fine to say that the country belonged to the Indians at one time - but to lay claims now? 'Those were the days' claims boil down to only one thing - nostalgia. On the practical side, pigs will have to grow wings for the US to give back land to the Indians. *** WHY should India concede ANYTHING to these scum of the earth?Are we trying to have it both ways again? Your words, not mine. Actually, you may get your wish -:). There may come a time when you have a PM in India who just doesn't care and really may not concede anything. Remember Indira Gandhi. She put down any and all uprising rather ruthlessly - Punjab, Telengana, Naxalite - you name it. Overnight, hard-core Naxals became erudite professors of literature and political science. Then, ofcourse we had no 'democracy' - go figure! Indira Gandhi was at least intelligent, but you could get some guy whose horizon may reach only till Bihar. What do you do then? Wait, I guess till another MM comes along.All I am saying is, this present PMis the best chance insurgents have had in a long time. First time, someone is willing to at least discuss and trying to understand frayed sentiments in the NE. Insurgents can remain stubborn and stick to their demands of sovereignty, and more than likely come back empty handed.Alternatively, they could tone down the rhetoric and seek some plausible/practical way out. --RamOn 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India. *** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind. But the logic! That is what is astounding. This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country belongs(belonged) to them. *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA does not automatically nullify that right, does it? Canada has made accomodations to its indigenous peoples/nations, and in far more enlightened ways than the USA has. But to compare India's treatment of its colonies of the NE to USA treating its indigenous peoples, not as enlightened as Canada for example, is still akin to comparing 'xorogor tora with pw---or thwpa khohu' (likening a star of the heavens to a hemorrhoids on your you-know-what) as the very colorful Oxomiya simile goes. The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future.*** If that IS so, then: o, its better for the insurgents and its supporters to see the light of the day and exact things less than 'freedom' from India. *** WHY should India concede ANYTHING to these scum of the earth? Are we trying to have it both ways again? MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The nextPM to see their way again may actually never come. *** Tsk, tsk! They may have to deal with a Lalu Prasad or some crook the next time, who may not have time (or the intelligence) to deal with something as far away as Assam. I hope they don't miss this chance with the present Indian administration. *** The same could be the case for India too, couldn't it be? Already it looks like the insurgents have bitten off more than they can swallow with the sovereignty demand. *** Heh-heh! Resort to taunting the insurgents when everything else fails! But they have been at it for twenty years. And look at the Darwan-general's record! At 9:25 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Barua, Excellent points. If we go by which state or territory was/was not a part of India logic, India may actually come out ahead. Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India. This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country belongs(belonged) to them. They know (deep down) that they will never have an Indian Nation - but to keep the rhetoric going is probably good for exacting out things from the Feds. The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future. So, its better for the insurgents and its supporters to see the light of the day and exact things less than 'freedom' from India. MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The nextPM to see their way again may actually never come. They
Re: [Assam] Clendestine radio broadcast from Kashmir..
Dada, Clandestine Radio stations are ... station operated by a oppotion parties (ULFA?).These stationsbroadcast in Medium Wave, Shortwave adn FM. Some station even broadcast via satellite. LTTE station is called Voice of Tigers (VoT). Some other stations around India are: Democratic Voice of Burma, Voice of Tebet (via transmitters in Tajikistan), Sedaye Kashmir, Free Kshsmir, Radio Free Asia ((And earlier, Chinese govt has put just jamming signals over all the frequescies) etc. These days, I am not an active shortwave listerer. Regards, Babul On 2/14/06, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Babul, Interesting links. Why are these clandestine? They could have broadcast right from Islamabad itself and ISI could have beamed the waves anywhere. After all the iSI is incahoots with these jedhadi elements. BTW: what is that $1 that they returned - didn't get that. --Ram da On 2/13/06, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt2.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-tpg.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt1.jpg ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org -- Babul Gogoihttp://www.TARSHI.nethttp://www.SexualityInstitute.org http://www.AsiaSRC.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
C'da, Your visualizations enumerated here are NOT the only possibilities. Or are they? Well, I stated they were 'my' visualizations, so would guess people could dream as they wish :) *** What if he DID have ULFA links? Would he have automatically forfeited the right to live? And how do YOU know that he did not? Actually, I had covered that possibility - when I said he ought to be afforded due process. So, whether he was or was not Ulfa/had links is besides the point. The Indian Army cannot behave like insurgents. They are held to a higher standard, and that standard requires that they adhere to the rules of engagement and treat those whom they capture with dignity and due process must be afforded. In that the Army has failed ( at least in this incident). *** How do you know that? Is it in the realm of possibilities that the villages did KNOW that he had ULFA links. And what if they came to his defense--although tragically late, because they too are sympathizers themselves ? Is it possible? Of course, that is a possibility. In that case, all the newspaper accounts of villagers lammenting that Mahanta was an innocent man and had nothing to do with ulfa, etc etc goes to the trash. Then one can deduce that the villagers, in order to get general support from all over Assam pretended he wasn't!! Is that what you are saying? Is it hard to conceive of the fact that ULFA is synonymous with Assam's sovereignty aspirations ? Well, to be frank, ulfa is not what one would call the 'paragon' of insurgents. They don't seem to know where they are headed. If there wrere such aspirations in their nascent stage, they don't seem to exist now, now these ideas are mixed up with other elements like ISI, B'desh, cash carry, Indian elections (ulfa seems to have a great interest in the Assam elections too) etc, etc. --Ram On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R: Your visualizations enumerated here are NOT the only possibilities. Or are they? For example: Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. *** What if he DID have ULFA links? Would he have automatically forfeited the right to live? And how do YOU know that he did not? The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. *** How do you know that? Is it in the realm of possibilities that the villages did KNOW that he had ULFA links. And what if they came to his defense--although tragically late, because they too are sympathizers themselves ? Is it possible? You asserted that the popular outrage ad NOTHING to do with sovereignty. Is it hard to conceive of the fact that ULFA is synonymous with Assam's sovereignty aspirations ? I can imagine it would be who are in abject denial. But anyone willing to acknowledge reality would agree that it IS so. And if it is so, then how can you assert what you do, with even a modicum of credibility? But its nice to feel that the bandhs/protests are on your side -:) *** Thanks for the thought. c-da At 6:32 PM -0600 2/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, *** It will be the ultimate of denial to think that it has NOTHING to do with Assam's sovereignty movement. I can visualize the scene. Trying to deduce logically what could have happened. Mahanta is needlessly murdered by the army, who assumed he had ulfa links. The people in his village knew that he wasn't and that he was innocent. The GOA and the army are nonchallant and did not take steps to inquire/redress the situation People from surrounding villages give support to the Mahantas Politicians (the opposition to the ruling govt.) see this as an opportunity - remember this is election time, and everyone gets into the fray. The ulfa also sees this as a great opportunity to get into this fray (remember Ajit Mahanta is not considered having links with ulfa). The Ulfa calls for a 12 hour bandh. The AASU (which is at loggerheads with Ulfa) also call for a 12 band for the next day. Both bandhs are going to to be successful. Nothing suceeds like bandhs. Even a normal 'drop of a hat' bandh gets near total success, and this tradegy with a number of people dead is charged with emotions is guaranteed to be a success. If one were to assume that the success of the bandh today (by the ulfa) was because people want a 'free Assam', how would you judge the success of the bandh call by AASU tomorrow? Remember, the AASU position is to work within the Indian Constitution and DOES NOT seek independence. So, if both the bandhs are a success, how can you say that they were the clarion call for independence? The same people observing the bandh cannot be for and against independence, can they? So, my conclusion, is that the protests/bandhs have nothing to do with Assam's sovereignty, but more to do with the frustrations at an inept GOA and an army that went berserk. But its nice to feel that the
Re: [Assam] Clendestine radio broadcast from Kashmir..
Hi Babul. It was nice Gchatting with you. BTW: analysts are saying not to buy Google stock as they don't seem to have anything conrete for sometime now, but hold on to them if you already have some. Ram da On 2/13/06, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dada, Clandestine Radio stations are ... station operated by a oppotion parties (ULFA?). These stations broadcast in Medium Wave, Shortwave adn FM. Some station even broadcast via satellite. LTTE station is called Voice of Tigers (VoT). Some other stations around India are: Democratic Voice of Burma, Voice of Tebet (via transmitters in Tajikistan), Sedaye Kashmir, Free Kshsmir, Radio Free Asia ((And earlier, Chinese govt has put just jamming signals over all the frequescies) etc. These days, I am not an active shortwave listerer. Regards, Babul On 2/14/06, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Babul, Interesting links. Why are these clandestine? They could have broadcast right from Islamabad itself and ISI could have beamed the waves anywhere. After all the iSI is in cahoots with these jedhadi elements. BTW: what is that $1 that they returned - didn't get that. --Ram da On 2/13/06, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt2.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-tpg.jpg http://www.schoechi.de/piccla/jkf-kwt1.jpg ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org -- Babul Gogoi http://www.TARSHI.net http://www.SexualityInstitute.org http://www.AsiaSRC.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] whither CIC -facing uncertainity
CIC facing uncertainity The CIC project was a special gift to North East from the former Prime Minister of India Sri Atal Bihari Vaipaiji during the year 2002 with a budget of around Rs 400 crores. This project envisaged to set up Communication Information Centre ( CIC) in all blocks of NE equipping with Computers and satellite internet broadband connectivity with multi dimensional activities towards a resurgent NE. But the sad part is that this dream project is now facing uncertainty due to improper handling from several corners. As per the project plan , CIC will be funded by Dept. Of Technology, Ministry of Communication Information Technology, Govt of India for 5 year (upto 2007) and then it would be handed over to the respective State Govts for further continuation. But surprisingly even after expiry of 3 ½ years, no step has been seen for further continuation of the project. This CIC project was launched in August 2002 with multi dimensional activities ; To establish ICT backbone in rural area , to provide web access and Internet services for rural people, easy access to market information, e-COMMERCE of local resources, to provide e-governance services in rural area, E-education, E-medicine, IT education, capacity building, ICT support to SHG, NGOs, farmers, edutainment, access to govt and socio-economic databases, entertainment, edutainment , E-employment etc. Each CIC is provided with 1 Server, 5 clients, laser printer , DMP, CD writer, web cam, UPS, VSAT internet broadband connectivity, 29” CTV with satellite receiver with two technical CIC operators. The contribution of CIC during the last 3 ½ years in the rural area of North East is immense. It has successfully working as ICT backbone in the entire NE networking with all rural blocks hooking with national NICNET connectivity. Rural youths who earlier never get any chance to access any computer now able to browse website, send email, download materials from internet, making internet friends, online chats, participating in global forum. Rural small farmers are now getting market information, downloading applications, projects; Women SHG are now getting resource materials from Internet, rural unemployed youths are gaining confidence. CIC is taking lead role in knowledge revolution in rural area. As major acknowledgement of CIC, this year 39 nos of persons out of total 155 from the entire country comprising of CIC operators , NGOs activist working in tandem with CIC have been conferred fellowship of “ Jamsethji Tata National Virtual Academy for Rural Prosperity 2006” by His Excellency President of India for rural prosperity through knowledge enrichment and rural knowledge revolution. But inspite of immense contribution of CIC with multi dimensional activities , several corners seem to be unhappy and want CIC’s premature death. a. After investing huge amount in CIC project for development of ICT in rural area, CIC has become a barometer for sanctioning of further similar rural ICT project; an unsuccessful CIC will create national out-cry which will make IT sector for rural masses loser ; similarly a successful CIC will make them gainer which does not make a section happy. b. Government of India has already drafted master plan under National e-governance Action Plan involving enormous budget where CIC is a strong contender as one of the e-governance stalk holders in NE. Moreover it has been demanded that CIC rural students should be involved in establishing E-governance kiosk in villages in cluster approach with CIC as Block nodal centre. Also demand has been raising to involve these rural youths in the on going multi millionsrupees ICT projects viz. Village Knowledge Centre ( 6 Lakh unit in 6 Lakh villages of India), Common Service Centre (1 lakh unit ) which are to be completed within Dec 2007. This has made a section anxious who have been eyeing anxiously on the above fund. c. As per recently implemented Right for Information Act, all government information, activities, expenditure statement should be made public and CIC has become a natural choice to maintain transparency of block offices. This has created a concern for a section that have so far successfully draining public money from block offices . d. Till few days back, many NGOs/ organizations/ Agency etc. have been successfully receiving government money in the name of spreading of Computer Education in rural area but Govt of India is now expressing reservation in sanctioning duplicate projects due to existence of CIC infrastructure who is working well. Also some private computer educational Institutions who have been so far making money charging exorbitant fees from rural gullible youths are facing closure. Now CIC has become a beta noir . e. CIC has succeeded to produce a sizeable data entry operators in local languages and producing quality result i.e. the critical data
