[Assam] The avenging soldier in this report is an Assamese S.K. Rava.
Irate Indian soldier kills three colleagues in Kashmir http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0610221876171505.htm Srinagar, Oct 21, IRNA India- Kashmir-Soldier At least three Indian soldiers were killed and an equal number wounded when one of their colleagues went on a shooting spree inside his camp in Rajouri in southern Kashmir early Sunday. A defense spokesman said the irate soldier later turned the rifle on himself. He, along with two others, was shifted to a hospital in Jammu. The spokesman did not identify the soldier but said he belonged to the signal regiment and was posted at the camp at Narian village. Three Army soldiers died on the spot, spokesman Lt Col R K Chibber said. We don't know the exact reason for the soldier's behavior. An inquiry has been ordered, Chibber said. The three injured, including the irate soldier, were evacuated to hospital for treatment. Such incidents that have taken place from time to time are being attributed to continuous deployment of soldiers in a highly hostile environment, long separation from families and, sometimes, refusal of leave. Defense authorities in Jammu and Kashmir have now enlisted the help of counselors to ease the built-up tension among the soldiers doing counter-insurgency duties in the state. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the incident. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Warm wishes on Eid ul-Fitr from Rini Kakati
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[Assam] jeevan reddy committee report
http://www.hindu.com/nic/afa/ if the recommendations (http://www.hindu.com/nic/afa/afa-part-iv.pdf) are accepted than this is a good example how draconian laws/policies (or a part thereof) applicable in a small region or special cases finally make their ways into the general system. x ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] The avenging soldier in this report is an Assamese S.K.Rava.
Indian Army/BSF/CRPF/Paramilitary/Special police all are increasingly getting self-destructive. Statistics are suppressed ,but enoughget though. Some count is kept. Revealing what? Analyze. mm From:"Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:AssamNet assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] The avenging soldier in this report is an Assamese S.K.Rava.Date:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:03:40 +0100 Irate Indian soldier kills three colleagues in Kashmir http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0610221876171505.htm Srinagar, Oct 21, IRNA India- Kashmir-Soldier At least three Indian soldiers were killed and an equal number wounded when one of their colleagues went on a shooting spree inside his camp in Rajouri in southern Kashmir early Sunday. A defense spokesman said the irate soldier later turned the rifle on himself. He, along with two others, was shifted to a hospital in Jammu. The spokesman did not identify the soldier but said he belonged to the signal regiment and was posted at the camp at Narian village. "Three Army soldiers died on the spot," spokesman Lt Col R K Chibber said. "We don't know the exact reason for the soldier's behavior. An inquiry has been ordered," Chibber said. The three injured, including the irate soldier, were evacuated to hospital for treatment. Such incidents that have taken place from time to time are being attributed to continuous deployment of soldiers in a highly hostile environment, long separation from families and, sometimes, refusal of leave. Defense authorities in Jammu and Kashmir have now enlisted the help of counselors to ease the built-up tension among the soldiers doing counter-insurgency duties in the state. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the incident. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] The avenging soldier in this report is an Assamese S.K.Rava.
Ram, Indian Army-be it a million strong or a crore strong- need not look askance at revellers on their losses. Rather should go into reserarch mode to correct internal maladies. The same as political leaders to go deep and find out who/what did Mumbai suburban or Delhi( last year Diwali )or Malegaon last month- No clue so far!! What 's wrong with RAW? mm From:"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:"Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:AssamNet assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] The avenging soldier in this report is an Assamese S.K.Rava.Date:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:35:48 -0500 Mukul da, Stories like these often make the rounds whenever there is prolonged deployments by any army - it happens here too. Further, such stories often come out so that some would take interest in finding out some scientific/social solution (with India's best interest at heart) Indian Army/BSF/CRPF/Paramilitary/Special police all are increasingly getting self-destructive. Statistics are suppressed ,but enoughget though . Some count is kept. Revealing what? Analyze. mm But, little dosome Indian officials know that there are fringe elements who revel at such news items. Unfortunately, for them the Indian army is a million plus - they would have to wait a long, long time for them all to go berserk.:) --Ram On 10/24/06, Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irate Indian soldier kills three colleagues in Kashmir http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0610221876171505.htm Srinagar , Oct 21, IRNA India - Kashmir- Soldier At least three Indian soldiers were killed and an equal number wounded when one of their colleagues went on a shooting spree inside his camp in Rajouri in southern Kashmir early Sunday. A defense spokesman said the irate soldier later turned the rifle on himself. He, along with two others, was shifted to a hospital in Jammu. The spokesman did not identify the soldier but said he belonged to the signal regiment and was posted at the camp at Narian village. "Three Army soldiers died on the spot," spokesman Lt Col R K Chibber said. "We don't know the exact reason for the soldier's behavior. An inquiry has been ordered," Chibber said. The three injured, including the irate soldier, were evacuated to hospital for treatment. Such incidents that have taken place from time to time are being attributed to continuous deployment of soldiers in a highly hostile environment, long separation from families and, sometimes, refusal of leave. Defense authorities in Jammu and Kashmir have now enlisted the help of counselors to ease the built-up tension among the soldiers doing counter-insurgency duties in the state. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the incident. ___assam mailing list assam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] NY Times Editorial
This is a watershed editorial from the country's most prestigious paper. Along with Bush's abandonment of the stay the course slogan during the last couple of days, the rabidly right-wing columnist Noah Goldberg's admission on print yesterday that he was wrong about the war and numerous other right-wingers heading for the tall-grass looking for cover; the pigeons have come home to roost. As we can see there is nothing to be happy about the sordid mess we are in. Just like there is nothing for Indians to be happy about the mess it is in, be it Kashmir, be it Assam; except that its intelligentsia continues to remain smug in its ignorance and its appalling apathy. The lesson, that even overwhelming force cannot extinguish hatred of the intruder fits Indian military operations like a glove . Time alone will tell if they have the wisdom to pay heed. cm http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/opinion/24tues1.html?_r=1oref=sloginpagewanted=all Editorial Trying to Contain the Iraq Disaster Published: October 24, 2006 No matter what President Bush says, the question is not whether America can win in Iraq. The only question is whether the United States can extricate itself without leaving behind an unending civil war that will spread more chaos and suffering throughout the Middle East, while spawning terrorism across the globe. The prospect of what happens after an American pullout haunts the debate on Iraq. The administration, for all its hints about new strategies and timetables, is obviously hoping to slog along for two more years and dump the problem on Mr. Bush's successor. This fall's election debates have educated very few voters because neither side is prepared to be honest about the terrible consequences of military withdrawal and the very long odds against success if American troops remain. This page opposed a needlessly hurried and unilateral invasion, even before it became apparent that the Bush administration was unprepared to do the job properly. But after it happened, we believed that America should stay and try to clean up the mess it had made - as long as there was any conceivable road to success. That road is vanishing. Today we want to describe a strategy for containing the disaster as much as humanly possible. It is hardly a recipe for triumph. Americans can only look back in wonder on the days when the Bush administration believed that success would turn Iraq into a stable, wealthy democracy - a model to strike fear into the region's autocrats while inspiring a new generation of democrats. Even last fall, the White House was dividing its strategy into a series of victorious outcomes, with the short-term goal of an Iraq making steady progress in fighting terrorists. The medium term had Iraq taking the lead in providing its own security and on its way to achieving its economic potential, with the ultimate outcome being a peaceful, united, stable and secure nation. If an American military occupation could ever have achieved those goals, that opportunity is gone. It is very clear that even with the best American effort, Iraq will remain at war with itself for years to come, its government weak and deeply divided, and its economy battered and still dependent on outside aid. The most the United States can do now is to try to build up Iraq's security forces so they can contain the fighting - so it neither devours Iraqi society nor spills over to Iraq's neighbors - and give Iraq's leaders a start toward the political framework they would need if they chose to try to keep their country whole. The tragedy is that even this marginal sort of outcome seems nearly unachievable now. But if America is to make one last push, there are steps that might lessen the chance of all-out chaos after the troops withdraw: Start at Home For all the talk of timetables for Iraq, there has been little discussion of the timetable that must be handed to George W. Bush. The president cannot leave office with American troops still dying in an Iraq that staggers along just short of civil war, on behalf of no concrete objective other than get the job done, which is now Mr. Bush's rhetorical substitute for stay the course. The administration's current vague talk about behind-the-scenes agreements with Iraqi politicians is next to meaningless. Americans, Iraqis and the rest of the world need clear, public signs of progress. Mr. Bush can make the first one by firing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. There is no chance of switching strategy as long as he is in control of the Pentagon. The administration's plans have gone woefully wrong, and while the president is unlikely to admit that, he can send a message by removing Mr. Rumsfeld. It would also be a signal to the military commanders in the field that the administration now wants to hear the truth about what they need, what can be salvaged out of this mess, and what cannot. The president
Re: [Assam] NY Times Editorial FINALLY!!!
HE DID IT! Ours--not yet! mm From:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] NY Times EditorialDate:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:23:34 -0500This is a watershededitorial from the country's most prestigiouspaper. Along with Bush's abandonment ofthe "stay the course" sloganduring the last couple of days, the rabidly right-wing columnist NoahGoldberg's admission on printyesterday that he was wrong about thewar and numerous other right-wingers heading for the tall-grasslooking for cover; the pigeons have come home to roost.As we can see there is nothing to be happy about the sordid mess we are in.Just like there is nothing for Indians to be happy about the mess itis in, be it Kashmir, be it Assam; except that its intelligentsiacontinues to remain smug in its ignorance and its appallingapathy.The lesson, that even overwhelming force cannot extinguish hatred ofthe intruder fits Indian military operations like a glove . Timealone will tell if they have the wisdom to pay heed.cmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/opinion/24tues1.html?_r=1oref=sloginpagewanted=allEditorial Trying to Contain the Iraq DisasterPublished: October 24, 2006No matter what President Bush says, the question is not whetherAmerica can win in Iraq. The only question is whether the UnitedStates can extricate itself without leaving behind an unending civilwar that will spread more chaos and suffering throughout the MiddleEast, while spawning terrorism across the globe.The prospect of what happens after an American pullout haunts thedebate on Iraq. The administration, for all its hints about newstrategies and timetables, is obviously hoping to slog along for twomore years and dump the problem on Mr. Bush's successor. This fall'selection debates have educated very few voters because neither sideis prepared to be honest about the terrible consequences of militarywithdrawal and the very long odds against success if American troopsremain.This page opposed a needlessly hurried and unilateral invasion, evenbefore it became apparent that the Bush administration was unpreparedto do the job properly. But after it happened, we believed thatAmerica should stay and try to clean up the mess it had made - aslong as there was any conceivable road to success.That road is vanishing. Today we want to describe a strategy forcontaining the disaster as much as humanly possible. It is hardly arecipe for triumph. Americans can only look back in wonder on thedays when the Bush administration believed that success would turnIraq into a stable, wealthy democracy - a model to strike fear intothe region's autocrats while inspiring a new generation of democrats.Even last fall, the White House was dividing its strategy into aseries of victorious outcomes, with the short-term goal of an Iraq"making steady progress in fighting terrorists." The medium term hadIraq taking the lead in "providing its own security" and "on its wayto achieving its economic potential," with the ultimate outcome beinga "peaceful, united, stable and secure" nation. If an American military occupation could ever have achieved thosegoals, that opportunity is gone. It is very clear that even with thebest American effort, Iraq will remain at war with itself for yearsto come, its government weak and deeply divided, and its economybattered and still dependent on outside aid. The most the UnitedStates can do now is to try to build up Iraq's security forces sothey can contain the fighting - so it neither devours Iraqi societynor spills over to Iraq's neighbors - and give Iraq's leaders a starttoward the political framework they would need if they chose to tryto keep their country whole.The tragedy is that even this marginal sort of outcome seems nearlyunachievable now. But if America is to make one last push, there aresteps that might lessen the chance of all-out chaos after the troopswithdraw:Start at HomeFor all the talk of timetables for Iraq, there has been littlediscussion of the timetable that must be handed to George W. Bush.The president cannot leave office with American troops still dying inan Iraq that staggers along just short of civil war, on behalf of noconcrete objective other than "get the job done," which is now Mr.Bush's rhetorical substitute for "stay the course." Theadministration's current vague talk about behind-the-scenesagreements with Iraqi politicians is next to meaningless. Americans,Iraqis and the rest of the world need clear, public signs of progress.Mr. Bush can make the first one by firing Secretary of Defense DonaldRumsfeld. There is no chance of switching strategy as long as he isin control of the Pentagon. The administration's plans have gonewoefully wrong, and while the president is unlikely to admit that, hecan send a message by removing Mr. Rumsfeld. It would also be asignal to the military commanders in the field that theadministration now wants to hear the truth about what they need, whatcan be salvaged out of this mess, and what cannot.The president
[Assam] Tarun Gogoi go and fool around in Delhi. What else are you good for? Your ancestors of the Pong Kingdom cannot have anything but curse for you, BOY.
Gogoi concerned over China plan http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=""> Guwahati, Oct 24: Expressing concern over China's reported plan to construct a dam on river Brahmaputra in that country to divert 200 billion cubic metre of water, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi today urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take up the issue with Beijing. Damming and diversion of such huge quantity of water would hit the state's economy, he said in a statement adding the government would soon constitute an experts committee to study the matter.The Brahmaputra-Barak-Meghna river system contributes almost one-third of the total surface water resource of the country and any large-scale diversion of this water will have serious repercussions on the interests of the N E region and the country as a whole, he said. He sought the Prime Minister's intervention to safeguard the interests of the people of the state as well as the entire country.China is reportedly planning to diver the water to feed its Yellow River. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Amerikan Elekshuns
It looks like this time around is looking very exciting. My predictions: Dems gain 27 in the House Dems gain 7 in the Senate ( at least 6) C'da - how is Claire McCaskill doing against Talent in your neck of the woods? Whats your sense. --Ram ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Amerikan Elekshuns
Ram: how is Claire McCaskill doing against Talent in your neck of the woods? *** It is a tight race. They are pouring money into Talent's campaign like there is no tomorrow. McCaskill too. But it is close. I have not been following the numbers , but 27 dem. gain in the House? Doesn't that seem awfully optimistic? c-da At 10:52 AM -0500 10/24/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: It looks like this time around is looking very exciting. My predictions: Dems gain 27 in the House Dems gain 7 in the Senate ( at least 6) C'da - how is Claire McCaskill doing against Talent in your neck of the woods? Whats your sense. --Ram ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Tarun Gogoi go and fool around in Delhi. What else are yougood for? Your ancestors of the Pong Kingdom cannot haveanything but curse for you, BOY.
Title: Re: [Assam] Tarun Gogoi go and fool around in Delhi. What If you allow, I will release them ALSO-Henh Henh Henh *** SPINELESS!!! At 10:02 PM +0530 10/24/06, mc mahant wrote: Ilove the SUBJECT In the 1st PCG+GOI meeting a year back, yours Truly gave MMS a memorandum Only we can solve the mess India left . Go Talk Sovereignty with Ulfa--we will help India Become a great nation When I read out and presented the paper and explained its essentiality--and also to release the 5 +the Disappeared from Bhutan MMS asked Toruun , what do you think? We all waited with bated breath :He will now rise up as a true leader of the Assamese and demand like Porus didTreat my liberators as equals and talk But Alas! he whimpered If you allow, I will release them ALSO-Henh Henh Henh mm From:Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:AssamNet assam@assamnet.org Subject:[Assam] Tarun Gogoi go and fool around in Delhi. What else are yougood for? Your ancestors of the Pong Kingdom cannot haveanything but curse for you, BOY. Date:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:28:44 +0100 Gogoi concerned over China plan http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=""> Guwahati, Oct 24: Expressing concern over China's reported plan to construct a dam on river Brahmaputra in that country to divert 200 billion cubic metre of water, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi today urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take up the issue with Beijing. Damming and diversion of such huge quantity of water would hit the state's economy, he said in a statement adding the government would soon constitute an experts committee to study the matter. The Brahmaputra-Barak-Meghna river system contributes almost one-third of the total surface water resource of the country and any large-scale diversion of this water will have serious repercussions on the interests of the N E region and the country as a whole, he said. He sought the Prime Minister's intervention to safeguard the interests of the people of the state as well as the entire country. China is reportedly planning to diver the water to feed its Yellow River. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Fashion Show in Asom politics !
The "denigration" that you refer to is not a denigration at all, but a characterization employed to explain the uncritical acceptance of the diktats of authority and authority figures and acquiescence to trampling of democratic principles. I was so incensed by Rajen's rejoinder that expletives dropped off my lips involuntarily. I said to myself: Cool down, Bhuban, there is no usepumping your adrenalin just to stop dead for crap. I do not object to the substance of what he has so painstakingly tried to prove. Chandan,I am afraid you've little conception of even the best democracy at work. Democracy is not the best form of government.Democracy is supposed to be a government of the people. In practice decisions are always taken by one person, perhaps two.There are indeed charismatic leaders who canorganise andlead. And the rest have to follow like sheep. That is normal. There are of course exceptions. And sorry to say this,in spite of your strong advocacy of principles, you too are one the sheep like the rest of us. It is easy to criticise without self-analysis. An ex-Chancellor of West Germany in his memoirs has described George Bush as a Christian fundamentalist who attacked Iraq. Did you protest ? Did your Democratic Senators protest? Did the MPs of UK Parliament protest? Yes, there were protesters, eventhe Prime Minister'sdeputy who of course resigned in protest. Most European allies ofthe UK did not support UK in this war. I can elaborate these points further. I thiink this should do because in theory what you say is right; the ideal I mean. Now the characterization part. To save space, I am not quoting this portion from Rajen's letter. Characterization of what? Not surely for a filmscript or the outline for a Booker Prize winner. I concede the 'kharkhowas' are what he says. We are not proud of it. But so are the Italians and many other nations. Let me quote from Bill Bryson's 1991 edition of Neither Here Nor There which I am reading at the moment: "They don't queue, they don't pay their taxes, they don't turn up for their appointments on time, they don't underake any sort of labour without a small bribe, they don't believe in rules at allAt the time of my visit, the Italians were working their way through their forty-eight government in forty-five years. The country has the social structure of a banana republic,yet the amazing thing is that it thrives. It is now the fifth biggest economy in the world, which is simply a staggering achievement in the face of such chronic disorder. If they had the work ethics of the Japanese they could be the masters of the planet. Thank goodness they haven't." He mentioned Chandra Prasad Saikia and Dr Nagen Saikia. I did not know the former but the latter I know very well. Chandra Prasad Saikia was a past President of Asam Sahitya Sabha and had outstanding literary contribution as I understand.I don't think Chandra Prasad Saikia deserves such an irreverent treatment. Rajen ought not to worry. He had done a little research and circumstances permitting he would also be consulted in the matter, only that his staure has not grown as yet to the level of either Dr Nagen Saikia or late Chandra Prasad Saikia. Another point. It is very easy to comment on the apathy of the masses or the intelligentsia to any specific issue. The tragedy is that the very proponents of ther principles do not live up to their ideals.According to the social scientists this apathy is most conspicuous in the case of people like us who like to see others do the job for them which they like to read in their morning newspapers. Physician! Heal thyself! Best regards Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Brahmaputra may not be mighty anymore
Our government will do very little against the chinese as it lacks ability and ofcourse India needs an able leader like Netaji.thanks pradipBrahmaputra may not be mighty anymore By a Staff Reporter (sentinel assam)GUWAHATI, Oct 23: Worried over Chinas reported plan to dam the Brahmaputra river and divert 200 billion cubic metres of water annually to feed its ageing Yellow river, Dispur is expected to take up the matter with the Union Water Resources as well as the Foreign Ministries.A media report on Monday said though it is still at the discussion stage and presents an enormous engineering challenge, the plan, backed by Chinese President Hu Jintao, aims to take the diverted water to feed north-eastern China watering Shaanxi, Hebei, Beijing and Tianjin areas that could face a parched future.The proposed project, called the Greater Western Water Diversion Project, is part of the gigantic South-North water project that has already been started by China, the report said.Clearly, if the project goes through, it could strangle one of the countrys biggest sources of water.Highly-placed sources said that the Asom Government has taken note of the media report, and is likely to verify the authenticity of the report with the Union Water Resource as well as Foreign Ministries. If China really has such plans, it is a major concern to the State and Central Governments, the sources said.Asom Water Resource Minister Bharat Narah, who is currently in New Delhi, is expected to take up the matter with the Chief Minister when he arrives in the State.It is learnt that Indian officials are preparing for detailed discussions with their Chinese counterparts over the next few months.It is pertinent to note that responding to Indian media reports that China had built a dam on the Sutlej river, the Chinese foreign ministry acknowledged the dam in Zhada county in Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) but said they did it for electricity for the local population. In doing so, they considered fully the impact on lower reaches. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] From Tehelka
This is yet another severe indictment of Indian justice! cm CURRENT AFFAIRS Cover Story GUILTY OF AN UNSOLVED CRIME ? The Supreme Court acknowledges that Mohammed Afzal Guru is not a terrorist and that they have no direct evidence against him. Is he on death row on the basis of a shoddy probe? Mihir Srivastava looks at critical questions still unanswered The thoroughness of the probe can be judged by the court's remarks. It pulled up the police for faking arrest memos and doctoring telephone conversations December 13, 2001. Five heavily armed persons stormed the Parliament House complex and inflicted heavy casualties on the security men on duty. This unprecedented event bewildered the entire nation and sent shockwaves across the globe. In the gun battle that lasted thirty minutes, these five terrorists who tried to gain entry into the Parliament when it was in session, were killed. Nine persons including eight security personnel and one gardener succumbed to the bullets of the terrorists and 16 persons including 13 security men received injuries. The five terrorists were ultimately killed - From the Supreme Court judgement. Six years and three judgements later, we still do not 'reliably' know who attacked Parliament on December 13, 2001. What we do know is that Mohammed Afzal Guru, the alleged conspirator, was awarded the death penalty but is he being made a scapegoat? Is Afzal being held guilty for a crime that is still unsolved? Consider this: the 'comprehensive investigation' of the attack on Parliament was completed in 17 days flat by the investigators - the Special Cell of the Delhi Police. The prosecution story of who attacked Parliament, which is popularly believed to be the real story, is based on the confession of the main accused Afzal Guru to the police under the Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act (POTA). The Supreme Court has dubbed this confession, and thus, in effect, the conspiracy theory behind the attack floated by the police, as unreliable. There are 12 accused in the Parliament attack case. Five of them - Mohammad, Tariq, Hamza, Rana and Raja - were killed when they tried to lay siege on Parliament. The other three - Gazi Baba, Masood Azhar and Tariq, allegedly the masterminds behind the attack and Lashkar-e-Toiba (let) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) operatives - were never arrested. Gazi Baba was shot in an encounter with security forces in 2004. His body was recognised by Afzal's brother. Only four accused were arrested: Afzal Guru, his cousin Shaukat Hussain Guru, Shaukat's wife Afsan Guru and SAR Geelani, a teacher of Arabic in Delhi University. Geelani and Afsan were acquitted. Not one of them was convicted under POTA charges. Afzal does not belong to any banned terrorist organisation. Shaukat was sentenced to 10 years rigorous imprisonment because he knew about the conspiracy. Afzal was given the death sentence on the charges of murder and for waging war against the State. Quick probe but no direct evidence against Afzal The thoroughness with which the investigations of such an important case were carried out can be judged by the remarks made by the Delhi High Court. The court has pulled up the investigators for the production of false arrest memos, doctoring of telephone conversations and the illegal confining of people to force them to sign blank papers. Despite these observations, the courts did not pass any strictures against the officers for their shoddy and illegal investigations, says Nandita Haksar, Geelani's lawyer. There is no direct evidence against Afzal. None of the 80 prosecution witnesses ever even alleged that Afzal was in any way associated with or belonged to any terrorist organisation. He has been awarded the death sentence entirely on the basis of circumstantial evidence. Afzal did not shy away from admitting the possibly incriminating fact that he brought Mohammad from Kashmir and that he accompanied him when the latter purchased a second-hand Ambassador, two days before the attack. The Supreme Court in its judgement observes that even when his lawyer attempted to deny this fact during the trial, Afzal insisted that he indeed had accompanied Mohammad. They didn't need to die: Parliament staff pay homage to security personnel who died in the attack The former Thane Police chief claimed that they had arrested Hamza and handed him over to JK cops in December 2000 Why was the STF's involvement not probed? In the same vein, Afzal maintains that he did this at the behest of the Special Task Force (STF) of the Jammu and Kashmir police. Afzal alleged in a letter to his lawyer Sushil Kumar in the Supreme Court that Davinder Singh, Deputy sp of Humhama, in Jammu and Kashmir, asked him to take Mohammad to Delhi and arrange for his stay there. Since I was not knowing the man, but I suspected this man is not Kashmiri, as he did not speak
Re: [Assam] Amerikan Elekshuns
C'da, Without the Rep. slanted redistricting, the numbers would have been around 45-50. Most analysts think Dem. gains will be around 25-29. It is optimistic, but look Dennis Hastert isjust now been called to testify in the Ethics comm. That can't be any good for Reps. in this late day. I saw an interview withMcCaskill, and seen Talent. She seems really poised. --Ram On 10/24/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram:how is Claire McCaskill doing against Talent in your neck of the woods?*** It is a tight race. They are pouring money into Talent's campaign like there is no tomorrow. McCaskill too. But it is close.I have not been following the numbers , but 27 dem. gain in theHouse? Doesn't that seem awfully optimistic?c-daAt 10:52 AM -0500 10/24/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: It looks like this time around is looking very exciting.My predictions:Dems gain 27 in the HouseDems gain 7 in the Senate ( at least 6)C'da - how is Claire McCaskill doing against Talent in your neck of the woods? Whats your sense.--Ram___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Junk talk about Nehru
Dear Umesh, These are junk talk. Assam has a strong case against Nehru which is very relevant forAssam's well-being today. The junk talk by you and your mentors in the net will weaken Assam's case. Himendra - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: bg ; Himendra Thakur Cc: Assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Nehru's letter I recall reading a couple of years ago that Nehru was against sending army in Kashmir when the Kabailees from Pakistan were capturing parts of Kashmir ---he was advised otherwise by the Governor General Mountbatten whose wife Edwina was Nehur's lover? Umeshbg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.assamtribune.com/oct0806/at02.htmlhttp://www.assamtribune.com/oct0906/main.html Guwahati, Sunday, October 8, 2006 Nehru favoured flow of migrants to NEBy Prabal Kr DasGUWAHATI, Oct 7 â "The refugee problem is one of the two or three problems to which we give first priority in India at present. This applies to the utilisation of our financial resources also. Our development schemes are thought of in terms, to some extent, of refugees. If Assam adopts an attitude of incapacity to help in solving the refugee problem, then the claims of Assam for financial help obviously suffer."The peculiar pro quid pro finds mention in a letter written to former State Chief Minister, the late Gopinath Bardoloi by the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru. The communication to Bordoloi dated New Delhi, May 18, 1949 and bearing number 413 âP.M. was in response to a letter the Assam Chief Minister had written on May 7 that year.The letter was found among the dossiers belonging to the eminent politician late Gauri Shankar Bhattacharya, who shared close ties with Bardoloi. Handing it over to The Assam Tribune today, his son Siddhartha Bhattacharya, senior lawyer at the Guwahati High Court, attested its authenticity. Apart from linking financial flow to the issue of refugees, Nehru in his two-page correspondence expresses his surprise that Bardoloi was finding it difficult to deal "with influx of Muslims into Assam." He then becomes somewhat tentative and says, "I do not think there is a permit system in regard to Eastern Bengal and Western Bengal and possibly no such system exists in regard to Assam either." Later, Nehru hints at devising ways and means to deal with it.In his letter Nehru takes note of Bardoloi's belief that dearth of land in his state was an issue, and contends that if availability of land was a problem in Assam, "it is still less available in the rest of India which is very heavily populated, barring the deserts and mountains."Nehru's posture is in stark contrast to Bardoloi's concern in protecting the interest of his State when the Chief Minister is asked, "Where are these [refugees] to go if each Province adopts the attitude that Assam apparently has done?"Subsequently, the Prime Minister makes his position clearer on the issue and states what appears like words of finality â "Therefore, we have to absorb them and make provision for them so that they might be good citizens. In doing this all provinces have to help and cooperate and it will do no good to a province to refuse cooperation in the national work."Nehru took exception to the stance of one minister of Bardoloi's Cabinet, "I understand that Medhi, your Finance minister, is a strong opponent of any further refugees coming to Assam. I think he is wrong in this." From the letter it becomes patently obvious that Nehru favoured Assam to act as host to refugees flowing in from erstwhile East Pakistan. Some other parts of the letter highlight corresponding views approving an easy acceptance of migrants flowing into the region. On the other hand, Gopinath Bardoloi's concerns revealed a deeper understanding of contemporary reality. In retrospect, no less manifest is the fact that what once was perceived as "national work" by a statesmanlike figure has now become the root cause of a grave problem afflicting the State.http://www.assamtribune.com/oct0806/at02.html Guwahati, Monday, October 9, 2006 Lokapriya letter mentioned Pak agents in StateBy Prabal Kr DasGUWAHATI, Oct 8 â Is the issue of Pakistani agents operating in India a bogey created by vested interests? Quite the contrary, the threat was recognized as early as 1949 by the then Chief Minister of Assam Lokapriya Gopinath Bardoloi. Bardoloi had in fact written to then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru on May 7 that year raising alarm about Pakistan carrying out espionage activities in the State. The response from Nehru in a letter, dated May 18 that year, showed his awareness
[Assam] Information on availability in USA of items of Traditional Assamese Cuisine
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Re: [Assam] From Tehelka
security personnel and one gardener succumbed to the bullets of the terrorists and 16 persons including 13 security men received injuries. The five terrorists were ultimately killed Iwas clear that very evening"This is typical stage-managed RAW stuff mm From:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] From TehelkaDate:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:41:56 -0500This is yet another severe indictment of Indian justice!cmCURRENT AFFAIRSCover StoryGUILTY OF AN UNSOLVED CRIME ?The Supreme Court acknowledges that MohammedAfzal Guru is not a terrorist and that they haveno direct evidence against him. Is he on deathrow on the basis of a shoddy probe? MihirSrivastava looks at critical questions stillunansweredThe thoroughness of the probe can be judged bythe court's remarks. It pulled up the police forfaking arrest memos and doctoring telephoneconversationsDecember 13, 2001. "Five heavily armed personsstormed the Parliament House complex andinflicted heavy casualties on the security men onduty. This unprecedented event bewildered theentire nation and sent shockwaves across theglobe. In the gun battle that lasted thirtyminutes, these five terrorists who tried to gainentry into the Parliament when it was in session,were killed. Nine persons including eightsecurity personnel and one gardener succumbed tothe bullets of the terrorists and 16 personsincluding 13 security men received injuries. Thefive terrorists were ultimately killed" - Fromthe Supreme Court judgement.Six years and three judgements later, we still donot 'reliably' know who attacked Parliament onDecember 13, 2001. What we do know is thatMohammed Afzal Guru, the alleged conspirator, wasawarded the death penalty but is he being made ascapegoat? Is Afzal being held guilty for a crimethat is still unsolved? Consider this: the 'comprehensive investigation'of the attack on Parliament was completed in 17days flat by the investigators - the Special Cellof the Delhi Police. The prosecution story of whoattacked Parliament, which is popularly believedto be the real story, is based on the confessionof the main accused Afzal Guru to the policeunder the Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act(POTA). The Supreme Court has dubbed thisconfession, and thus, in effect, the conspiracytheory behind the attack floated by the police,as "unreliable". There are 12 accused in the Parliament attackcase. Five of them - Mohammad, Tariq, Hamza, Ranaand Raja - were killed when they tried to laysiege on Parliament. The other three - Gazi Baba,Masood Azhar and Tariq, allegedly the mastermindsbehind the attack and Lashkar-e-Toiba (let) andJaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) operatives - were neverarrested. Gazi Baba was shot in an encounter withsecurity forces in 2004. His body was recognisedby Afzal's brother. Only four accused werearrested: Afzal Guru, his cousin Shaukat HussainGuru, Shaukat's wife Afsan Guru and SAR Geelani,a teacher of Arabic in Delhi University. Geelaniand Afsan were acquitted. Not one of them wasconvicted under POTA charges. Afzal does notbelong to any banned terrorist organisation.Shaukat was sentenced to 10 years rigorousimprisonment because he knew about theconspiracy. Afzal was given the death sentence onthe charges of murder and for waging war againstthe State.Quick probe but no direct evidence against Afzal The thoroughness with which the investigationsof such an important case were carried out can bejudged by the remarks made by the Delhi HighCourt. The court has pulled up the investigatorsfor the production of false arrest memos,doctoring of telephone conversations and theillegal confining of people to force them to signblank papers. Despite these observations, "thecourts did not pass any strictures against theofficers for their shoddy and illegalinvestigations," says Nandita Haksar, Geelani'slawyer.There is no direct evidence against Afzal. Noneof the 80 prosecution witnesses ever even allegedthat Afzal was in any way associated with orbelonged to any terrorist organisation. He hasbeen awarded the death sentence entirely on thebasis of circumstantial evidence. Afzal did notshy away from admitting the possiblyincriminating fact that he brought Mohammad fromKashmir and that he accompanied him when thelatter purchased a second-hand Ambassador, twodays before the attack. The Supreme Court in itsjudgement observes that even when his lawyerattempted to deny this fact during the trial,Afzal insisted that he indeed had accompaniedMohammad. They didn't need to die: Parliament staff payhomage to security personnel who died in theattackThe former Thane Police chief claimed that theyhad arrested Hamza and handed him over to JKcops in December 2000Why was the STF's involvement not probed? In the same vein, Afzal maintains that he didthis at the behest of the Special Task Force(STF) of the Jammu and Kashmir police. Afzalalleged in a letter to his lawyer Sushil Kumar inthe Supreme Court that Davinder Singh, Deputy spof Humhama, in Jammu and Kashmir, asked him
Re: [Assam] NY Times Editorial
Thank God! Finally the potseems to be cracking.Hope the conservatives will finally wake up and smell the roses and learn what a make believe worldthey had been living through. So far Iraq is concerned, I can see the countrysplitting into three parts.(US-UK, not Saddam, will go down in history as the splitter of Iraq) I think the party that will be most benefited will be the Kurds; they will get their land and much morewithout fighting. Ironically they will be the lone ally of the West in coming yearsin the desert of anti American Islamic fascists. It will be exciting to watch thephase of post Iraq war. Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: [Assam] NY Times Editorial This is a watershed editorial from the country's most prestigious paper. Along with Bush's abandonment of the "stay the course" slogan during the last couple of days, the rabidly right-wing columnist Noah Goldberg's admission on print yesterday that he was wrong about the war and numerous other right-wingers heading for the tall-grass looking for cover; the pigeons have come home to roost. As we can see there is nothing to be happy about the sordid mess we are in. Just like there is nothing for Indians to be happy about the mess it is in, be it Kashmir, be it Assam; except that its intelligentsia continues to remain smug in its ignorance and its appalling apathy. The lesson, that even overwhelming force cannot extinguish hatred of the intruder fits Indian military operations like a glove . Time alone will tell if they have the wisdom to pay heed. cm http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/opinion/24tues1.html?_r=1oref=sloginpagewanted=all Editorial Trying to Contain the Iraq Disaster Published: October 24, 2006 No matter what President Bush says, the question is not whether America can win in Iraq. The only question is whether the United States can extricate itself without leaving behind an unending civil war that will spread more chaos and suffering throughout the Middle East, while spawning terrorism across the globe. The prospect of what happens after an American pullout haunts the debate on Iraq. The administration, for all its hints about new strategies and timetables, is obviously hoping to slog along for two more years and dump the problem on Mr. Bush's successor. This fall's election debates have educated very few voters because neither side is prepared to be honest about the terrible consequences of military withdrawal and the very long odds against success if American troops remain. This page opposed a needlessly hurried and unilateral invasion, even before it became apparent that the Bush administration was unprepared to do the job properly. But after it happened, we believed that America should stay and try to clean up the mess it had made - as long as there was any conceivable road to success. That road is vanishing. Today we want to describe a strategy for containing the disaster as much as humanly possible. It is hardly a recipe for triumph. Americans can only look back in wonder on the days when the Bush administration believed that success would turn Iraq into a stable, wealthy democracy - a model to strike fear into the region's autocrats while inspiring a new generation of democrats. Even last fall, the White House was dividing its strategy into a series of victorious outcomes, with the short-term goal of an Iraq "making steady progress in fighting terrorists." The medium term had Iraq taking the lead in "providing its own security" and "on its way to achieving its economic potential," with the ultimate outcome being a "peaceful, united, stable and secure" nation. If an American military occupation could ever have achieved those goals, that opportunity is gone. It is very clear that even with the best American effort, Iraq will remain at war with itself for years to come, its government weak and deeply divided, and its economy battered and still dependent on outside aid. The most the United States can do now is to try to build up Iraq's security forces so they can contain the fighting - so it neither devours Iraqi society nor spills over to Iraq's neighbors - and give Iraq's leaders a start toward the political framework they would need if they chose to try to keep their country whole. The tragedy is that even this marginal sort of outcome seems nearly unachievable now. But if America is to make one last push, there are steps that might lessen the chance of all-out chaos after the troops withdraw: Start at Home For all the talk of timetables for Iraq, there has been little discussion of the timetable that must be handed to George W. Bush. The president cannot leave office with American troops still dying in an Iraq that staggers along just short of civil war, on
Re: [Assam] Brahmaputra may not be mighty anymore
I think unless there is some kind of International Law against such action, I don't think India or any other country can do anything. Might is the right. China will prevail. This is not even democracy we are talking about. China can justify that it has every right to divert water in its own land for its economic survival. Luit will be no more the Luit which may be good and bad. I hope somebody will do an investigative write up leaving aside the emotion. Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: Pradip Kumar Datta To: NorthEastIndia ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assamonline@yahoogroups.com ; Assam Foundation ; assam@assamnet.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [Assam] Brahmaputra may not be mighty anymore Our government will do very little against the chinese as it lacks ability and ofcourse India needs an able leader like Netaji. thanks pradip Brahmaputra may not be mighty anymore By a Staff Reporter (sentinel assam)GUWAHATI, Oct 23: Worried over Chinas reported plan to dam the Brahmaputra river and divert 200 billion cubic metres of water annually to feed its ageing Yellow river, Dispur is expected to take up the matter with the Union Water Resources as well as the Foreign Ministries.A media report on Monday said though it is still at the discussion stage and presents an enormous engineering challenge, the plan, backed by Chinese President Hu Jintao, aims to take the diverted water to feed north-eastern China watering Shaanxi, Hebei, Beijing and Tianjin areas that could face a parched future.The proposed project, called the Greater Western Water Diversion Project, is part of the gigantic South-North water project that has already been started by China, the report said.Clearly, if the project goes through, it could strangle one of the countrys biggest sources of water.Highly-placed sources said that the Asom Government has taken note of the media report, and is likely to verify the authenticity of the report with the Union Water Resource as well as Foreign Ministries. If China really has such plans, it is a major concern to the State and Central Governments, the sources said.Asom Water Resource Minister Bharat Narah, who is currently in New Delhi, is expected to take up the matter with the Chief Minister when he arrives in the State.It is learnt that Indian officials are preparing for detailed discussions with their Chinese counterparts over the next few months.It is pertinent to note that responding to Indian media reports that China had built a dam on the Sutlej river, the Chinese foreign ministry acknowledged the dam in Zhada county in Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) but said they did it for electricity for the local population. In doing so, they considered fully the impact on lower reaches. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
Bible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures.UmeshBarua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers.Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop.PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says.Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussionsRajen-da,I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you raise the issue I may point out that NO religion allows women priests --even now. No Pope or Shankaracharya or Imam or Chief Rabbiis a woman . Nonon-white guy has ever become a Pope just as no non-Brahmin has ever beome a Shankaracharya.Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers.Umesh PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad.Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HINDUS: Indians --Hindus esp were content in letting reading of scrptures be the game of a small coterie -- the so-called brahmin priests hence there was no thrust in promoting faith by educating followers to become literate so that they can read scriptures.This is correct, In fact the Hindus were trying to keep the religion of the Vedas very much secret from the public. Thus there was no incentive to evolve a writing method to record the Vedas which was handed over orally for many centuries. Even when writing was evolved, at the inspiration of the Buddhist, this written knowledge of the Vedas was kept as much secret as possible. First the Sudras and women were barred from raeding of the Vedas. Against this Hindu conservativenessm the Christians as well as the Buddhists attitude was to propogate the Dharma to as many people as possible. Buddha's decree, like that of Jesus, was:"Go and tell the people about the Dharma". Along with Buddhism, and the Indian epic story Ramayana, the local languages were developed in many countries besides India. The Vedas on the other hand are still being recited in Sanskrit. Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussionsHi,Today went to see the exhibit - first of its kind --very long queue to enter--how the Bible (Christian religious book) evolved over the first 1000 years of the religion's origin. http://www.asia.si.edu/exhibitions/current/IntheBeginning.htmHow from the time of Dead Sea Scrolls (rolled paper) the book evolved into a modern style book form (evolving booktechnology) and how in the process of its propagation the missionaries even created alphabets (like for Armenian and Georgian) and helped define what books are today. Ofcourse, over time many new additions were there and some like one refering to Jesus as a teacher (Edgerton's book ?) were declared heresies.
Re: [Assam] Junk talk about Nehru
If Nehru did junk so be it.UmeshHimendra Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Umesh, These are junk talk. Assam has a strong case against Nehru which is very relevant forAssam's well-being today. The junk talk by you and your mentors in the net will weaken Assam's case. Himendra- Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: bg ; Himendra Thakur Cc: Assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Nehru's letterI recall reading a couple of years ago that Nehru was against sending army in Kashmir when the Kabailees from Pakistan were capturing parts of Kashmir ---he was advised otherwise by the Governor General Mountbatten whose wife Edwina was Nehur's lover?Umeshbg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.assamtribune.com/oct0806/at02.htmlhttp://www.assamtribune.com/oct0906/main.html Guwahati, Sunday, October 8, 2006Nehru favoured flow of migrants to NEBy Prabal Kr DasGUWAHATI, Oct 7 â "The refugee problem is one of the two or three problems to which we give first priority in India at present. This applies to the utilisation of our financial resources also. Our development schemes are thought of in terms, to some extent, of refugees. If Assam adopts an attitude of incapacity to help in solving the refugee problem, then the claims of Assam for financial help obviously suffer."The peculiar pro quid pro finds mention in a letter written to former State Chief Minister, the late Gopinath Bardoloi by the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru. The communication to Bordoloi dated New Delhi, May 18, 1949 and bearing number 413 âP.M. was in response to a letter the Assam Chief Minister had written on May 7 that year.The letter was found among the dossiers belonging to the eminent politician late Gauri Shankar Bhattacharya, who shared close ties with Bardoloi. Handing it over to The Assam Tribune today, his son Siddhartha Bhattacharya, senior lawyer at the Guwahati High Court, attested its authenticity. Apart from linking financial flow to the issue of refugees, Nehru in his two-page correspondence expresses his surprise that Bardoloi was finding it difficult to deal "with influx of Muslims into Assam." He then becomes somewhat tentative and says, "I do not think there is a permit system in regard to Eastern Bengal and Western Bengal and possibly no such system exists in regard to Assam either." Later, Nehru hints at devising ways and means to deal with it.In his letter Nehru takes note of Bardoloi's belief that dearth of land in his state was an issue, and contends that if availability of land was a problem in Assam, "it is still less available in the rest of India which is very heavily populated, barring the deserts and mountains."Nehru's posture is in stark contrast to Bardoloi's concern in protecting the interest of his State when the Chief Minister is asked, "Where are these [refugees] to go if each Province adopts the attitude that Assam apparently has done?"Subsequently, the Prime Minister makes his position clearer on the issue and states what appears like words of finality â "Therefore, we have to absorb them and make provision for them so that they might be good citizens. In doing this all provinces have to help and cooperate and it will do no good to a province to refuse cooperation in the national work."Nehru took exception to the stance of one minister of Bardoloi's Cabinet, "I understand that Medhi, your Finance minister, is a strong opponent of any further refugees coming to Assam. I think he is wrong in this." From the letter it becomes patently obvious that Nehru favoured Assam to act as host to refugees flowing in from erstwhile East Pakistan. Some other parts of the letter highlight corresponding views approving an easy acceptance of migrants flowing into the region. On the other hand, Gopinath Bardoloi's concerns revealed a deeper understanding of contemporary reality. In retrospect, no less manifest is the fact that what once was perceived as "national work" by a statesmanlike figure has now become the root cause of a grave problem afflicting the State.http://www.assamtribune.com/oct0806/at02.html Guwahati, Monday, October 9, 2006Lokapriya letter mentioned Pak agents in StateBy Prabal Kr DasGUWAHATI, Oct 8 â Is the issue of Pakistani agents operating in India a bogey created by vested interests? Quite the contrary, the threat was recognized as early as 1949 by the then Chief Minister of Assam Lokapriya Gopinath Bardoloi. Bardoloi had in fact written to then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru on May 7 that year raising alarm about Pakistan carrying out espionage activities in the State. The response from Nehru in a letter, dated May 18 that year, showed his awareness of the problem, but at the same time was low in specifics."To some extent, I suppose, this is being done by Pakistan all over India and it is inevitable. But of course, so far as we are concerned, we must try to stop it or find out what
Re: [Assam] Fw: PERSONAL MEDICAL TREATMENT
Very Good! Now look at the same problem low-budgetly: United Group Programs, a health insurer in Boca Raton, Florida, began offering the programme six months ago. With medical costs skyrocketing in the United States where Americans spend an estimated 16 per cent of the GDP on healthcare and in Europe, the idea of going abroad to get healthy is becoming more and more attractive, Newsweek reported. More than 150,000 North American and European are currently seeking medical treatment abroad, it said. Giving instances of the savings, Newsweek quoted GlobalChoice Healthcare, a firm arranging foreign procedures, as saying that angioplasty which costs $50,000 in an American hospital can be performed for merely $6000 in Mohali in India. Can make @ $2000 in Bhalukpung,Dorongiri,Jonai, .MAKE IT POSSIBLE THRO THE MISSION .Ms Rini Kakoty in London will act as facilitator! The magazine quotes Abacas International, a leading travel facilitator, estimating that medical tourism to Asia could generate up to $4.4 billion by 2012. * Assam needs to create 10 Lakh Health workers( each worker on a 5 year service contract)..Idea is to create a delicate, youthful ,caring ,polite band of Health Care Managers with masterity in American ,English, Russian Spanish, Mandarin-- each one highly educatedin Paramedics to receive,care,love,-be friend-philosopher-guide to: · 1 Lakh Retirees beds in Himalayan foothills: treated like beloved Grandparents-till they die · Anytime 2 Lakh health tourists who will go away after he/she becomes cured · Anytime 2 Lakh recuperating from Trauma/Operations/recovery from illnesses And corresponding infrastructure like housing/furniture/Linen/Catering/entertainment /telecoms. Need is NOW! No better place than Assam-Himalayan foothill riversides. mm From: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: [Assam] Fw: PERSONAL MEDICAL TREATMENTDate: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:54:55 -0500 Stare into the cat'seyes for exactly 10 seconds NOW PLEASE SCROLL DOWN ~THANK YOUYOUR CAT SCANIS NOW COMPLETE*That will be $1500 please! image001.gif image002.jpg ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
Do you then have a comarable collection of scripture book in Hinduism? Rajen da - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Bible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures. UmeshBarua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop. PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says. Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Rajen-da, I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you raise the issue I may point out that NO religion allows women priests --even now. No Pope or Shankaracharya or Imam or Chief Rabbiis a woman . Nonon-white guy has ever become a Pope just as no non-Brahmin has ever beome a Shankaracharya. Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad.Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HINDUS: Indians --Hindus esp were content in letting reading of scrptures be the game of a small coterie -- the so-called brahmin priests hence there was no thrust in promoting faith by educating followers to become literate so that they can read scriptures. This is correct, In fact the Hindus were trying to keep the religion of the Vedas very much secret from the public. Thus there was no incentive to evolve a writing method to record the Vedas which was handed over orally for many centuries. Even when writing was evolved, at the inspiration of the Buddhist, this written knowledge of the Vedas was kept as much secret as possible. First the Sudras and women were barred from raeding of the Vedas. Against this Hindu conservativenessm the Christians as well as the Buddhists attitude was to propogate the Dharma to as many people as possible. Buddha's decree, like that of Jesus, was:"Go and tell the people about the Dharma". Along with Buddhism, and the Indian epic story Ramayana, the local languages were developed in many countries besides India. The Vedas on the other hand are still being recited in Sanskrit. Rajen Barua
