Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[Rajen & Ajanta Barua]

Dilip:
How did I miss the Bogori Gos? The tree has revived fully in the spring now. I 
will post a supllement soon. 
>From what I have seen, Bogori Gos need good sun and high ground (not wet). 
>Here the main thing is to babysit the tree the first frost by covering it with 
>a plastic. Once (and if) it  survive, it will survive the rest of the frosts 
>in its life. Your plant is xos (offspring) of our plant which was originally 
>from Jorhat. Since mine is surviving, I think yours also has the survival 
>gene. Please take care. Best of luck.of . 
Barua 
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  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007


  Barua,
  Bogorir gosdalor sobi kot? 
  Did it get back its leaves? I am about to plant one, an offspring of your 
original plant, I believe. Does Bogori plant like sun or shade? Wet ground or 
dry?
  Dilip
  =

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Chandan:
Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the 
net.
Rajen

Springtime at the Baruas 2007 

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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[Rajen & Ajanta Barua]

Mukulda:
Thanks for your compliments. Yes, these give us great domestic bliss besides 
keeping our blood pressure in control.
Yes, that is a Togor (Gardenia) blooming in Bohag.  I also have one Khorika Jai 
which I will post later.
Yes that is an Am Puli (from South America xos I believe. I heard the news that 
after 18 years now Indian Mango are alloed for import to USA.So we should now 
see Indian Mangos in our groceries soon.)
Sorry for the date. The camera date need to be set.
Thanks
Rajen
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  Barua Sa'ab
   
  That's a great aspect of your domestic Bliss.
  And are DSCN0093/0146 not Togor-blooming at Bohaag Bihu time?
  And isn't N0128 a delicate AAM 
   
  The only one I couln't get right is "Taken on Feb 25,2008"
   
  Great all over!
   
  mm




Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:55:11 -0500
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rajen:


Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been 
wanting to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have some 
EXCELLENT  shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some comments, as someone 
 who has been at it for forty years in photography and thirty in gardening. 
Others who are new to photography and gardening also might find my comments 
useful. I am particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures 
and lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.


Keep up the great work.


C














At 12:08 PM -0500 5/13/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote:
  Chandan:
  Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
  I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to 
the net.
  Rajen

  Springtime at the Baruas 2007

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157600210641008/




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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[Rajen & Ajanta Barua]

Re: Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007Chandan:
Thanks for your compliments. For the time being let me take those without any 
qualification,because you don't know what your comments are doing to my 
photography ego. Thanks again.
Rajen
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  From: Chan Mahanta 
  To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007


  Rajen:


  Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been wanting 
to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have some EXCELLENT  
shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some comments, as someone  who has 
been at it for forty years in photography and thirty in gardening. Others who 
are new to photography and gardening also might find my comments useful. I am 
particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures and 
lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.


  Keep up the great work.


  C














  At 12:08 PM -0500 5/13/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote:
Chandan:
Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the 
net.
Rajen

Springtime at the Baruas 2007

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Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Ram Sarangapani]

C'da


*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of  profound ignorance of modern

history?

Would you like to explain?


Let me try!

First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered "revolionaries". A revolution
(Like the French etc) are a mass-scale uprising of some sort against an
establishment. The ulfa (as some would like to elevate) is nowhere close to
that lable

So, in that context, modern revolutions have always been about "protecting
the masses" against tyrants. In the Assam context, can you give some stark
examples where such a thing has happened? And yes, C'da why is these
"home-grown" revoltionaries hell bent on killing and looting from Assamese
people (and don't forget Dhemaji) - now there was a great example of your
revolutionaries giving up blood & treasure (of course, it matters little
that blood spilled was not theirs).


I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you?

Assuming that  was what  it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram

or JS, in the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play

STUPID and get arrested or get erased in some  encounter, real or fake? Is

this some kind of a question to make the ULFA leaders look  like 'cowards'?

If it is, do you think it is working?

If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and making war plans/strategic
plans against the big, bad ogre called India, it may have
carried some semblence of resptability - but to hole up elsewhere, goad/egg
other to the battles, and all the while amass huge personal wealth, (as
reported by the US think tank - Stratfor. com), getting help from BD intel
and ISI (who will just as easily slit an Assamese throat as they would an
"Indian") is beyond me.

So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a strategic plan - could
have knocked me out with a feather! How could I have missed that


First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it that India

and Indians claim  >ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?

I am just trying here - don't know exactly what JS meant.

Why is this a contradiction - the leaders stay in BD - making the big war
plans, while the "low-level" cadres do the dirty job in Assam.


*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and

dying for a cause.

You may not agree with their cause.


We have all been hearing about this big cause for a long time. Then why is
that the whole of Assam have  NOT joined
and or signed on the dotted line? Do you know why?


That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent

CONFLICT.

Whew! Now that somehow makes us all feel better. Of course, all the people
of Assam gave the green signal for ULFA to go violent and now it (the ulfa)
acts as the sole torch bearer for God & country.

One question, if these 'revs' are NOT even able to fight from their home
base (that they are forced to go to another country to do so), what odds do
you, as a pragmatist, give them for any kind of win?

Even the country these people take refuge in (BD) is not able to take on the
bad boy on the block (India)  what are the chances for the "revs". Do you
think perhaps, that there is no fun for them to end this 'insurgency
Kamadhenu'. Whatever will they do if this all ends - Work for a living? Good
grief ! :)

--Ram



On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Ram:


Just out of curiosity:



>Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,





*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of  profound ignorance of
modern history? Would you like to explain?







>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is

>creating economic and social disorder in our state?


*** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my caliber
would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the point , allow me to
take a shot ( pun intended):


First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it
that India and Indians claim
ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?


I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't
you? Assuming that
was what  it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram or JS,
in the position of those
ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or
get erased in some
encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question to make
the ULFA leaders look
like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?


If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And dumber
expectation.





>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the

>people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?






*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and

dying for a cause. You may not agree with their cause. That is how it works
in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent 

Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[mc mahant]

and leave him there- as this one -in the Australian 
Desert(Assam 's Indian Rupee cannot provide him any subsistence) to polish 
White Man's Shoes?
mm


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>JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)

*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of SUBSTANCE 
or realism behind a charge.  Why would anyone  want to go pick a fight with 
someone who would  proclaim "---The only solution left, I believe, is to 
eliminate every ULFA member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. " It 
would be like challenging an Indian who would put a man on the Moon in 2010; or 
recommend that all those who do not agree with him be banished to 'koliyapani'; 
wouldn't it?

c-da



At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hehehe C'da,
 
I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an extreme outburst, 
probably from someone young - but that is how many of the younger generation in 
Assam feel. What kind of answers do you have for them - or do you think their 
feelings ought to just brushed aside?
 
>But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS in >his place 
>:) :).
 
C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other court. 
People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see what happens. At 
some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs it - I have a feeling, he 
won't. He has done good so far.
 
>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, ?are all it 
>takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would >have been no problem 
>left in Assam , not to mention India.
 
No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.
 
>instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, who will 
>only make the issue more muddy  :-)?
 
Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in Denmark:), and 
no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no sympathazer. I would expect 
them sympathizers to be up in arms even if they circle the wagons and make it 
muddier:)
 
JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
 
--Ram 
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ram:
 
Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful 
recommendations and conclusions.
 
Good that Sharma is letting off steam.  But as an informed and experienced NRA, 
I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma the profound flaws in his 
line of thinking, even though I know you are unable to free your own thought 
processes entirely from a blind devotion to the derelict Indian state  :-).
 
If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, are all it 
takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would have been no problem 
left in Assam , not to mention India.
 
So, what is missing?
 
Don't you think you, as someone more knowledgeable, and more experienced than 
obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him see things in a more 
mature light; instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA sympathizers, 
who will only make the issue more muddy  :-)?
 
c-da
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if there 
was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of audacity :)

 
There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum too.  I 
am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to see waht 
they write.
 
--Ram
 
On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that thisterrorist 
outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how asensible person can ever 
think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barredfrom entering 
Assam.Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionarieskilled 
their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,prosperity and 
freedom on the other. What is even more surprising isthat there are groups(read 
PCPIA and others) who have openly becomethe spokesperson of the outfit. They 
are never short in condemningwhen the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a 
voice wheninnocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, 
itis true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people inAssam but 
then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't havethe disease in the 
first place.Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:- Why 
do they reside in a foreign country, the population of whic

Re: [Assam] Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[Rajen & Ajanta Barua]

GREAT

Your painting on Louve (spelling?)  was great.
What you are painting these days?
Barua

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  From: Mahesh Baishya 
  To: assam 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:21 AM
  Subject: [Assam] Springtime at the Baruas April 2007


  Dear Barua,

  Enjoyed very much going through the photos " Springtime at the Baruas April 
2007. I ditto Chandan's comment.

  Attached is one of my paintings you call it " Springtime at the Baishya's 
studio April 2007 ".

  Mahesh bahishya


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Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Chan Mahanta]

Ram:

Just out of curiosity:


 >Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,



*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of  profound ignorance of 
modern history? Would you like to explain?





 >- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?


*** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my 
caliber would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the 
point , allow me to take a shot ( pun intended):


	First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is 
it that India and Indians claim

ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?

	I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, 
didn't you? Assuming that
	was what  it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram or 
JS, in the position of those
	ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested 
or get erased in some
	encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question to 
make the ULFA leaders look

like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?

	If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And 
dumber expectation.




 >- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?


*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting 
and dying for a cause. You may not agree with their cause. That is 
how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent 
CONFLICT. One side does not agree with the other and neither siude is 
asbout to play dead. Under the circumstances, expecting an antagonist 
here to play NEUTRAL ( or UNBIASED to echo the favorite 
kharkhowa/desi terminology) demonstrates an absence of an ability to 
reason like an adult with ordinary intelligence. But I have trouble 
believing that about JS and I know  you do not fit that mold. So what 
is the explanation Ram?


Anyone expecting an answer to questions like that would merely be 
demonstrating their living in denial, unable to accept the widely 
prevalent and discernible  truths that surround them like so nmany 
Indians seem to do.


I hate to see you act so disoriented a desi, Ram :-)

c-da








At 1:00 PM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da

 >Why would anyone  want to go pick a fight with someone who would 
proclaim "---


There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address this 
utter frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor wrong' 
crowd.  The recommendations from JS may be strong, but there is a 
lot of truth in what he says about the unstable situation in the 
state created by ULFA - and the fact that the state (as it is 
overburdened with other problems) is now having face the 
"insurgency" problem.


Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the questions 
like JS asks/comments:


Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,

- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?

- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

These and other questions have been asked before  - and we have YET 
to receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds  is really NOT a 
solution. Why can't someone just answer to the questions.


-Ram









On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 >JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)


*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of 
SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge.  Why would anyone  want to go 
pick a fight with someone who would  proclaim "---The only solution 
left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their 
sympathizers behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian 
who would put a man on the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those 
who do not agree with him be banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?



c-da






At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:


Hehehe C'da,




I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an 
extreme outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many 
of the younger generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you 
have for them - or do you think their feelings ought to just brushed 
aside?




 >But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS 
in >his place :) :).




C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.

JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other 
court. People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see 
what happens. At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs 
it - I have a feeling, he won't. He has done 

Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[Ram Sarangapani]

Thanks Barua for sharing the photos with us. Great stuff

Ram


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 Chandan:
Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com .
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to
the net.
Rajen

*Springtime at the Baruas 2007*

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Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Ram Sarangapani]

C'da


Why would anyone  want to go pick a fight with someone who would  proclaim

"---

There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address this utter
frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor wrong' crowd.  The
recommendations from JS may be strong, but there is a lot of truth in what
he says about the unstable situation in the state created by ULFA - and the
fact that the state (as it is overburdened with other problems) is now
having face the "insurgency" problem.

Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the questions like JS
asks/comments:

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?

- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

These and other questions have been asked before  - and we have YET to
receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds  is really NOT a solution.
Why can't someone just answer to the questions.

-Ram









On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 >JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)


*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of
SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge.  Why would anyone  want to go pick a
fight with someone who would  proclaim "---The only solution left, I
believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their sympathizers
behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian who would put a man on
the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those who do not agree with him be
banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?


c-da






At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Hehehe C'da,



I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an extreme
outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many of the younger
generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you have for them - or do
you think their feelings ought to just brushed aside?



>But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS in >his
place :) :).



C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.

JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other court.
People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see what happens.
At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs it - I have a
feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.



>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, ?are
all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would >have been
no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.



No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.



>instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, who
will only make the issue more muddy  :-)?



Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in Denmark:),
and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no sympathazer. I would
expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even if they circle the wagons and
make it muddier:)



JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)



--Ram


On 5/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Ram:




Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
recommendations and conclusions.




Good that Sharma is letting off steam.  But as an informed and experienced
NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma the profound flaws
in his line of thinking, even though I know you are unable to free your own
thought processes entirely from a blind devotion to the derelict Indian
state  :-).




If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, are all
it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would have been no
problem left in Assam , not to mention India.




So, what is missing?




Don't you think* you*, as someone more knowledgeable, and more experienced
than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him see things in a
more mature light; instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA
sympathizers, who will only make the issue more muddy  :-)?




c-da




























At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if
there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of
audacity :)



There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum
too.  I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to
see waht they write.



--Ram





On 5/14/07,* Jyotirmoy Sharma* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist

outfit. The only solution left, I be

Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Chan Mahanta]

JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)


*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of 
SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge.  Why would anyone  want to go 
pick a fight with someone who would  proclaim "---The only solution 
left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their 
sympathizers behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian 
who would put a man on the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those 
who do not agree with him be banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?


c-da



At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Hehehe C'da,

I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an 
extreme outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many 
of the younger generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you 
have for them - or do you think their feelings ought to just brushed 
aside?


 >But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS 
in >his place :) :).


C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other 
court. People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see 
what happens. At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs 
it - I have a feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.


 >If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, 
?are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there 
would >have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.


No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.

 >instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, 
who will only make the issue more muddy  :-)?


Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in 
Denmark:), and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no 
sympathazer. I would expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even 
if they circle the wagons and make it muddier:)


JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)

--Ram

On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Ram:


Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful 
recommendations and conclusions.



Good that Sharma is letting off steam.  But as an informed and 
experienced NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma 
the profound flaws in his line of thinking, even though I know you 
are unable to free your own thought processes entirely from a blind 
devotion to the derelict Indian state  :-).



If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, 
are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would 
have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.



So, what is missing?


Don't you think you, as someone more knowledgeable, and more 
experienced than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help 
him see things in a more mature light; instead of passing the buck 
to them despicable ULFA sympathizers, who will only make the issue 
more muddy  :-)?



c-da


















At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward 
post, if there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome 
that fresh air of audacity :)





There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this 
forum too.  I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so 
will wait to see waht they write.




--Ram





On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.

Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb at

Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Ram Sarangapani]

Hehehe C'da,

I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an extreme
outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many of the younger
generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you have for them - or do
you think their feelings ought to just brushed aside?


But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS in >his

place :) :).

C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other court.
People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see what happens.
At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs it - I have a
feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.

>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, ?are
all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would >have been
no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.

No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.


instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, who will

only make the issue more muddy  :-)?

Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in Denmark:), and
no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no sympathazer. I would
expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even if they circle the wagons and
make it muddier:)

JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)

--Ram

On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi Ram:


Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
recommendations and conclusions.


Good that Sharma is letting off steam.  But as an informed and experienced
NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma the profound flaws
in his line of thinking, even though I know you are unable to free your own
thought processes entirely from a blind devotion to the derelict Indian
state  :-).


If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, are all
it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would have been no
problem left in Assam , not to mention India.


So, what is missing?


Don't you think* you*, as someone more knowledgeable, and more experienced
than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him see things in a
more mature light; instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA
sympathizers, who will only make the issue more muddy  :-)?


c-da


















At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if
there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of
audacity :)



There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum
too.  I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to
see waht they write.



--Ram





On 5/14/07,* Jyotirmoy Sharma* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.

Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.

Jyotirmoy


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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[mc mahant]

Does Bogori plant like sun or shade? Wet ground or dry? 
The highlighted are experienced at Madgharia
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the Baruas April 2007
Barua,
Bogorir gosdalor sobi kot? 
Did it get back its leaves? I am about to plant one, an offspring of your 
original plant, I believe. Does Bogori plant like sun or shade? Wet ground or 
dry?
Dilip
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Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the net.
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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

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Barua,
  Bogorir gosdalor sobi kot? 
  Did it get back its leaves? I am about to plant one, an offspring of your 
original plant, I believe. Does Bogori plant like sun or shade? Wet ground or 
dry?
  Dilip
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Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Chandan:
  Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
  I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the 
net.
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  Springtime at the Baruas 2007 
   
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157600210641008/ 
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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

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We call it "Gardenia" in USA.

Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Great photos!!!

Could somebody tell me what is the English/Scientific Name of Togor? Seems like 
in Bengali  the word Togor is used to talk about a Khorikajai-ish flower!!

Priyankoo 

mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { 
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }   
Barua Sa'ab
 
That's a great aspect of your domestic Bliss.
And are DSCN0093/0146 not Togor-blooming at Bohaag Bihu time?
And isn't N0128 a delicate AAM 
 
The only one I couln't get right is "Taken on Feb 25,2008"
 
Great all over!
 
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Rajen:
  

  Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been wanting 
to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have some EXCELLENT  
shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some comments, as someone  who has 
been at it for forty years in photography and thirty in gardening. Others who 
are new to photography and gardening also might find my comments useful. I am 
particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures and 
lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.
  

  Keep up the great work.
  

  C
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  At 12:08 PM -0500 5/13/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote:
  Chandan:  Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.  I could upload 
some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the net.  Rajen 
Springtime at the Baruas 2007 http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL 
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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

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Great photos!!!

Could somebody tell me what is the English/Scientific Name of Togor? Seems like 
in Bengali  the word Togor is used to talk about a Khorikajai-ish flower!!

Priyankoo 

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Barua Sa'ab
  
 That's a great aspect of your domestic Bliss.
 And are DSCN0093/0146 not Togor-blooming at Bohaag Bihu time?
 And isn't N0128 a delicate AAM 
  
 The only one I couln't get right is "Taken on Feb 25,2008"
  
 Great all over!
  
 mm

  
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Subject: Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

   .ExternalClass blockquote, .ExternalClass dl, .ExternalClass ul, 
.ExternalClass ol, .ExternalClass li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}Rajen:
 

 Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been wanting 
to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have some EXCELLENT  
shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some comments, as someone  who has 
been at it for forty years in photography and thirty in gardening. Others who 
are new to photography and gardening also might find my comments useful. I am 
particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures and 
lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.
 

 Keep up the great work.
 

 C
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Chandan: Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com. I could upload 
some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the net. Rajen   
Springtime at the Baruas 2007   http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL 
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[Assam] Is the tide turning in Assam?

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Wow! Is the tide turning in Assam? 
  With all this money coming in and so many projects in the works, it's a 
matter of five to ten years before Guwahati and Assam become the envy of the 
rest of India. 
   
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  Tarun Gogoi – one year of office
— Pabitra Chaudhuri“During his term for the last six years, nothing is better 
illustrated than the liberal doses of aid and grants we have received from the 
Central government. Whenever he has gone on a road-show to attract investment, 
be it in Mumbai, Delhi or Kolkata, he has received tremendous ovation and 
positive response.”

Never in recent times a Chief Minister has secured a second term for sincerity, 
transparency and able leadership as Tarun Gogoi did. The incumbency factor 
never affected him as much as his work during the last 5 years was termed as 
one of the best and he set the foundation for the take off stage of the State 
in spite of multifarious problems like security, mostly created by militancy, 
abetted from across the border, natural calamities like flood and drought and 
sudden uncalled for and unjustified bandhs. In a situation like this it goes a 
long way for Chief Minister Gogoi to lay the foundation for a future growth 
path and dividends of such efforts are being seen and felt now. The greatest 
achievement that Chief Minister Gogoi made was the broadening of the mindset, 
particularly that of the power that be which has percolated down the line. The 
way Guwahati has developed into one of the most fastest growing cities in India 
is due to this broad outlook and the mindset of
 thinking big. Over the years, Assam was in the shackles of self-wallowing and 
blaming the Central government for no growth. But now the situation has 
changed. If a proper proposal is made with facts and figures the Central 
government does not hesitate to open its purse-strings and it is creditable 
that the mind-blowing figure of Rs 20,000 crore has been sanctioned as part of 
its vision for development of Guwahati and its infrastructure. In the immediate 
context Rs 3,200 crore for infrastructure development of Guwahati has been 
approved by the Government of India. With Sri Gogoi’s leadership the days 
self-wallowing about deprivation from the Centre are over and in its place the 
slogan is “here is a challenge we have to meet, however difficult it could be”. 
This attitudinal change has brought about the vigour and vibrancy of the 
Government and the people of Assam. His long experience as MP and Union 
Minister has been of advantage to Sri Gogoi in as much he can feel the right
 pulse of the working of the Central government and set the appropriate tune to 
secure the legitimate interest of Assam. Indeed he has proved that we have the 
capability and the strength to meet the challenges. He is totally addicted to 
quality work with a sense of tunnel-vision for achievement and concentrated 
effort to focus on the growth and development of the State. He has developed a 
kind of participative management which he has made into an art of good 
governance. His periodical meetings with the Deputy Commissioners are one of 
the corner-stones of his style of governance. He is a hard task-master laced 
with old-world manners, sympathy and understanding.

During his term for the last six years, nothing is better illustrated than the 
liberal doses of aid and grants we have received from the Central government. 
Whenever he has gone on a road-show to attract investment, be it in Mumbai, 
Delhi or Kolkata, he has received tremendous ovation and positive response. The 
big houses like Tatas have already committed to set up a 5 star hotel at 
Guwahati and their budget hotel’s work has already started. Reliance is coming 
in a big way, so also Williamson Magor on bio-diesel and other alternative fuel 
projects. Oil India is on its leap forward march in exploration activities in 
Assam, so much so that in the recent round of biddings it has been able to bag 
a few NELP blocks in the North East and in one block it is working with the 
OIL-Govt tie up company. Again the vision of the Chief Minister has been to 
make the new company some what in the line of Gujarat State Petroleum 
Corporation which today has become an international player. But
 to make the new company a viable one, right from the start it has to be 
managed in such a manner as to be free from the straitjacket of bureaucratic 
management and needs to be professionalised. In 

Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

[mc mahant]

Barua Sa'ab
 
That's a great aspect of your domestic Bliss.
And are DSCN0093/0146 not Togor-blooming at Bohaag Bihu time?
And isn't N0128 a delicate AAM 
 
The only one I couln't get right is "Taken on Feb 25,2008"
 
Great all over!
 
mm


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas 
April 2007



Rajen:

Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been wanting 
to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have some EXCELLENT  
shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some comments, as someone  who has 
been at it for forty years in photography and thirty in gardening. Others who 
are new to photography and gardening also might find my comments useful. I am 
particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures and 
lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.

Keep up the great work.

C







At 12:08 PM -0500 5/13/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote:
Chandan:
Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these to the net.
Rajen
 
Springtime at the Baruas 2007
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157600210641008/

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[Assam] Bihu and Jikir

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

I see innocent participation in this picture from the Assam Tribune - Bihu, 
Jikir and, Muslim boys and girls singing together. Am I missing something? 
Comments are welcome, especially from Assam.
  Dilip Deka
   
   
Members of Panigaon-Chamdhara Muslim Youth Association performing ‘Jikir at a 
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Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Chan Mahanta]

Hi Ram:

Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful 
recommendations and conclusions.


Good that Sharma is letting off steam.  But as an informed and 
experienced NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma 
the profound flaws in his line of thinking, even though I know you 
are unable to free your own thought processes entirely from a blind 
devotion to the derelict Indian state  :-).


If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, 
are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would 
have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.


So, what is missing?

Don't you think you, as someone more knowledgeable, and more 
experienced than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him 
see things in a more mature light; instead of passing the buck to 
them despicable ULFA sympathizers, who will only make the issue more 
muddy  :-)?


c-da









At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, 
if there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that 
fresh air of audacity :)


There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this 
forum too.  I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so 
will wait to see waht they write.


--Ram



On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.

Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.

Jyotirmoy


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Re: [Assam] Fw: Springtime at the Baruas April 2007

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Rajen:

Thanks for sharing the images of your backyard.  I know you have been 
wanting to get into photography. Great to see your efforts. You have 
some EXCELLENT  shots here.  I took the liberty of posting some 
comments, as someone  who has been at it for forty years in 
photography and thirty in gardening. Others who are new to 
photography and gardening also might find my comments useful. I am 
particularly delighted to see your sensitivity to colors, textures 
and lighting; not just the star attractions: The flowers.


Keep up the great work.

C







At 12:08 PM -0500 5/13/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote:

Chandan:
Thanks for your help with reference to Flickr.com.
I could upload some recent photos taken in the spring and post these 
to the net.

Rajen

Springtime at the Baruas 2007

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Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Ram Sarangapani]

Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if
there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of
audacity :)

There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum
too.  I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to
see waht they write.

--Ram



On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.

Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.

Jyotirmoy


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[Assam] OBITUARY:Bhabani Charan Sarma: The Assam Tribune

[muktikam phukan]

Bhabani Charan Sarma
 GUWAHATI, May 13 – Bhabani Charan Sarma, retired general manager of United 
Bank of India, died in New Delhi on the night of May 12 following a cardiac 
arrest. He was 78. Hailing from the reputed Khataniar family of Amolapatty in 
Sivasagar, he attained success in his banking career by dint of hard labour. He 
was loved and respected by all those who came in contact with him. His wife 
pre-deceased him in 1989. His demise has cast a pall of gloom among his friends 
and relatives in Assam. He leaves behind two sons and a host of relatives.

   
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[Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[Jyotirmoy Sharma]

After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this  
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a  
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist  
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA  
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living  
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred  
from entering Assam.

Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries  
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,  
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is  
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become  
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning  
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when  
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it  
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in  
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have  
the disease in the first place.

Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is  
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when  
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members  
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by  
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the  
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?

This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be  
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better  
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists  
called ULFA.

Jyotirmoy


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[Assam] Poaching in Kaziranga for Bin Laden

[Sanjib Baruah]

Thought this report in the London Guardian would be of interest.

Sanjib Baruah

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,,2073168,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
Poaching for Bin Laden

In the jungles of India, local animal trappers have a new breed of client: 
Islamic militants using the trade in rare wildlife to raise funds for 
their cause. Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark report from Assam

Saturday May 5, 2007
The Guardian
It is so early in the morning that the cooks in the roadside dhabas along 
India's National Highway 37 are asleep in their kitchens, their tandoors 
unlit. Across the valley of Assam, in this far north-easterly corner of 
India, there is not a flicker of light except the feeble yellow beams from 
the Gypsies, the open-backed vehicles carrying small groups of tourists to 
the edge of one of the world's most bountiful jungles.
Kaziranga - 429 sq km of forest, sandbanks and grassland - was recognised 
by Unesco in 1985 as a world heritage site. Tourists come in their 
thousands to glimpse some of the 480 species of bird, 34 kinds of mammal 
and 42 varieties of fish, many rare, endangered or near extinct, that 
inhabit this remote jungle.
In recent times, however, the wildlife has attracted a new kind of 
visitor. According to India's security services, police, intelligence 
analysts, local traders and forestry officials, Islamic militants 
affiliated to al-Qaida are sponsoring poaching in the reserve for profit. 
These groups have established bases in the formerly moderate enclave of 
Bangladesh and have agents operating all along the country's porous 
2,500-mile border with India. They have gone into business with local 
animal trappers and organised crime syndicates around Kaziranga - as well 
as in parks and reserves in Nepal, Burma and Thailand - in a quest for 
horns, ivory, pelts and other animal products with which to raise "under 
the wire" funds that they can move around the world invisibly.
A small rhino horn, the size of a bag of sugar, with good provenance (the 
beast's tail and ears, presented to a prospective buyer) and in the right 
marketplace (in Asia, Europe or North America), can fetch 20,000. Big cat 
pelts can go for up to 10,000. Monkey brains, bear bile, musk, big cat 
carcasses, elephant feet, tails, horns and teeth have considerable value. 
A shipment worth 2.8m was recently intercepted by UK customs. Profits from 
the trade run from $15bn to an incredible $25bn a year, according to 
estimates from the WWF (formerly the World Wide Fund for Nature). The 
punishment for trading in these items is generally a fine as low as 300 in 
India and 900 in Nepal.
A senior Indian security source, based in the north-east, who has tracked 
the incursion into the trade by Bangladeshi militants, warns that the 
poaching has global consequences. "There is an environmental disaster in 
the offing here, but as pressing are the security ramifications," he says. 
"Only a minuscule percentage of the vast profits need to trickle back into 
a nascent Islamic insurgency in a country like Bangladesh to bring it to 
the boil. And then it can reach out around the world."
In 2000, US president Bill Clinton commissioned "a global threat 
assessment" which concluded that the illegal trade in animal parts and 
endangered species was second only to drugs in the profits it could turn. 
That same year, the UN general assembly expressed its strong conviction 
that the "transnational crime" of trafficking in endangered species had 
growing links with terrorism. The WWF took up the baton and commissioned a 
report from Wolverhampton University that found organised crime was taking 
advantage of existing routes used for smuggling small arms, drugs and 
humans. The UK scene was a microcosm, with 50% of those prosecuted for 
wildlife crimes having previous convictions for serious offences including 
drugs and guns.
That's if there is such a prosecution: ill-defined laws often prevent 
police making arrests. British torpor was highlighted in London in 2004, 
when customs intercepted a multimillion-pound ivory haul but were 
powerless to arrest anyone. Meanwhile, radical Islamists from Bangladesh 
have done what conservationists had long predicted and moved in on the 
endangered species racket.
One has only to tour Kaziranga, or any of the outlying parks in Assam or 
Nepal, to understand why. Dawn breaks as our convoy of Gypsies reaches the 
park. The rangers whisper urgently, "Gorh", the local word for rhinoceros. 
Metres away, eight rhino are lumbering through the rich alluvial mud, 
showing off their prized uni-horn. There are more than 2,000 of these 
short-sighted beasts here, making up three-quarters of the global stock of 
one of the rarest pachyderms in the world. Beside them are scores of swamp 
deer coloured like the scrub. A group of wild buffalo, whose colossal 
horns have the span of a longboat oar, plod by, as does a troop of 
elephants, their tusks glinting in the purple dawn. Somewhere in th