Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-29 Thread Rajen & Ajanta Barua
 >supposed to be high security areas 

that is what you think, but in realty not.

Aeroplanes are.

c




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  From: umesh sharma 
  To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  metro trains are supposed to high security areas but none of the heavily 
armed guards tries to remove ski masks for the passengers or their jackets.

  Umesh

  Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh:
I don't know if you got it or not. Let me try again.
If someone wear masks in public place, that will not be a normal case, and 
I donot think anyone will be allowed to pass any security zone with masks. Thus 
you cannot compare wearing a masks to wearing a Burqa which is supposed to be a 
normal dress like a Sikh turban.  One wear Burqa precisely to cover and hide 
the face, and security is not supposed to uncover a Burqa of  a woman's face 
because that will be against culture. Thus wearing a Burqa will be in conflict 
with security.

Please note if someone hides metal under dress, that can be detected.
But a face cannot be detected under a Burqa.

Hope you got it.
Rajenda.
  - Original Message - 
  From: umesh sharma 
  To: Barua25 ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:22 PM
      Subject: Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  so can one hide in big jackets and ski masks which I see so many 
youngsters wearing inside buses and trains in Washington DC.

  Umesh

  Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A general objection to women wearing Burqa and covering her face may be 
security reason. A man can easily disguise and hide wearing a Burqa. I have 
heard that Koran actually does not prescribe covering the face by a Burqa.
Rajen Barua 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:06 PM
          Subject: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also 
curbing cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in 
jail for refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under 
the headgear? 

  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do 
not look any different if security is the concern.

  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =

  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
  By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total 
ban on the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying 
the move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which 
will result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration 
has gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a 
countrywide ban on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already 
outlawed them in specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a 
general election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy 
rather than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their 
stances in recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by 
far-right politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk 
to examine the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new 
legislation could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said 
on Friday this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other 
total coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from 
state schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial 
veil, or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Musli

Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-29 Thread umesh sharma
metro trains are supposed to high security areas but none of the heavily armed 
guards tries to remove ski masks for the passengers or their jackets.
   
  Umesh

Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Umesh:
  I don't know if you got it or not. Let me try again.
  If someone wear masks in public place, that will not be a normal case, and I 
donot think anyone will be allowed to pass any security zone with masks. Thus 
you cannot compare wearing a masks to wearing a Burqa which is supposed to be a 
normal dress like a Sikh turban.  One wear Burqa precisely to cover and hide 
the face, and security is not supposed to uncover a Burqa of  a woman's face 
because that will be against culture. Thus wearing a Burqa will be in conflict 
with security.
   
  Please note if someone hides metal under dress, that can be detected.
  But a face cannot be detected under a Burqa.
   
  Hope you got it.
  Rajenda.
- Original Message - 
  From: umesh sharma 
  To: Barua25 ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban
  

  so can one hide in big jackets and ski masks which I see so many youngsters 
wearing inside buses and trains in Washington DC.
   
  Umesh

Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  A general objection to women wearing Burqa and covering her face may 
be security reason. A man can easily disguise and hide wearing a Burqa. I have 
heard that Koran actually does not prescribe covering the face by a Burqa.
  Rajen Barua 
- Original Message - 
  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:06 PM
  Subject: [Assam] New Dutch Ban
  

  Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 
   
  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not look 
any different if security is the concern.
   
  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =
   
  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  

  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on 
the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban 
on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in 
specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a general 
election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather 
than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in 
recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new legislation 
could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday 
this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state 
schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial veil, 
or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands 
wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything 
but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 
million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they 
approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa 
as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green 
Left, tol

Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-29 Thread Rajen & Ajanta Barua
Umesh:
I don't know if you got it or not. Let me try again.
If someone wear masks in public place, that will not be a normal case, and I 
donot think anyone will be allowed to pass any security zone with masks. Thus 
you cannot compare wearing a masks to wearing a Burqa which is supposed to be a 
normal dress like a Sikh turban.  One wear Burqa precisely to cover and hide 
the face, and security is not supposed to uncover a Burqa of  a woman's face 
because that will be against culture. Thus wearing a Burqa will be in conflict 
with security.

Please note if someone hides metal under dress, that can be detected.
But a face cannot be detected under a Burqa.

Hope you got it.
Rajenda.
  - Original Message - 
  From: umesh sharma 
  To: Barua25 ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  so can one hide in big jackets and ski masks which I see so many youngsters 
wearing inside buses and trains in Washington DC.

  Umesh

  Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A general objection to women wearing Burqa and covering her face may be 
security reason. A man can easily disguise and hide wearing a Burqa. I have 
heard that Koran actually does not prescribe covering the face by a Burqa.
Rajen Barua 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:06 PM
  Subject: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 

  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not 
look any different if security is the concern.

  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =

  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
  By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban 
on the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide 
ban on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed 
them in specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a 
general election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy 
rather than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their 
stances in recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new 
legislation could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said 
on Friday this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from 
state schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial 
veil, or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the 
Netherlands wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals 
everything but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 
1 million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether 
they approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a 
burqa as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition 
Green Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the 
Moroccan community.
  Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in 
schools and pub

Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-29 Thread umesh sharma
so can one hide in big jackets and ski masks which I see so many youngsters 
wearing inside buses and trains in Washington DC.
   
  Umesh

Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  A general objection to women wearing Burqa and covering her face may 
be security reason. A man can easily disguise and hide wearing a Burqa. I have 
heard that Koran actually does not prescribe covering the face by a Burqa.
  Rajen Barua 
- Original Message - 
  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:06 PM
  Subject: [Assam] New Dutch Ban
  

  Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 
   
  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not look 
any different if security is the concern.
   
  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =
   
  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  

  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on 
the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban 
on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in 
specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a general 
election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather 
than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in 
recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new legislation 
could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday 
this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state 
schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial veil, 
or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands 
wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything 
but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 
million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they 
approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa 
as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green 
Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan 
community.
  Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools 
and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should 
not expect welfare benefits.
  "From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very 
bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better," he told foreign 
journalists.
  "But actually hardly anybody wears one ... The fuss is much bigger than the 
number of people concerned."   Since the murder of anti-immigration maverick 
Pim Fortuyn in 2002, the Dutch have lost a reputation for tolerance, pushing 
through some of Europe's toughest entry and integration laws.   Social and 
religious tensions have escalated in the last few years, exacerbated by the 
murder of film director and Islam critic Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan 
militant in 2004.   (Additional reporting by Emma Thomasson) 



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Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-28 Thread Barua25
A general objection to women wearing Burqa and covering her face may be 
security reason. A man can easily disguise and hide wearing a Burqa. I have 
heard that Koran actually does not prescribe covering the face by a Burqa.
Rajen Barua 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dilip/Dil Deka 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:06 PM
  Subject: [Assam] New Dutch Ban


  Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 

  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not look 
any different if security is the concern.

  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =

  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
  By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on 
the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban 
on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in 
specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a general 
election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather 
than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in 
recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new legislation 
could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday 
this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state 
schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial veil, 
or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands 
wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything 
but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 
million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they 
approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa 
as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green 
Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan 
community.
  Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools 
and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should 
not expect welfare benefits.
  "From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very 
bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better," he told foreign 
journalists.
  "But actually hardly anybody wears one ... The fuss is much bigger than the 
number of people concerned." 
  Since the murder of anti-immigration maverick Pim Fortuyn in 2002, the Dutch 
have lost a reputation for tolerance, pushing through some of Europe's toughest 
entry and integration laws. 
  Social and religious tensions have escalated in the last few years, 
exacerbated by the murder of film director and Islam critic Theo van Gogh by a 
Dutch-Moroccan militant in 2004. 
  (Additional reporting by Emma Thomasson) 


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Re: [Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-18 Thread umesh sharma
they should impose their hidden will on everyone who vists their country and go 
the Nordic ( & Canadian ) way -- no clothes at all in public places.
   
  Umesh

Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 
   
  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not look 
any different if security is the concern.
   
  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =
   
  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  

  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on 
the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban 
on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in 
specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a general 
election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather 
than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in 
recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new legislation 
could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday 
this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state 
schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial veil, 
or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands 
wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything 
but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 
million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they 
approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa 
as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green 
Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan 
community.
  Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools 
and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should 
not expect welfare benefits.
  "From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very 
bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better," he told foreign 
journalists.
  "But actually hardly anybody wears one ... The fuss is much bigger than the 
number of people concerned."   Since the murder of anti-immigration maverick 
Pim Fortuyn in 2002, the Dutch have lost a reputation for tolerance, pushing 
through some of Europe's toughest entry and integration laws.   Social and 
religious tensions have escalated in the last few years, exacerbated by the 
murder of film director and Islam critic Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan 
militant in 2004.   (Additional reporting by Emma Thomasson) 


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[Assam] New Dutch Ban

2006-11-17 Thread Dilip/Dil Deka
Is this an infringement on free practice of religion? Is it also curbing 
cultural freedom? Are they going to put the 50 women wearing Burqa in jail for 
refusing to obey the law?
  Are the Sikhs next in line because they also can hide a weapon under the 
headgear? 
   
  The standard winter outer garments with protection for the head do not look 
any different if security is the concern.
   
  What does Mr. Saleh in the Netherlands say about this? 
  Dilip
  =
   
  Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public 
By Alexandra Hudson Fri Nov 17, 1:58 PM ET 
  

  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on 
the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the 
move on security grounds. 
  Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk will now draw up legislation which will 
result in the Netherlands, once one of Europe's most easy-going nations, 
imposing some of the continent's toughest laws against concealing the face.
  "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- 
including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) 
the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry 
said in a statement.
  The debate on face veils and whether they stymie Muslim integration has 
gathered momentum across Europe.
  The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban 
on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in 
specific places.
  The move by the center-right government comes just five days before a general 
election. The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather 
than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in 
recent years.
  Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favor of a proposal by far-right 
politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine 
the feasibility of such a ban.
  Because veils were worn for religious reasons, she had feared new legislation 
could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday 
this was not the case.
  MUSLIM HEADSCARF
  Existing legislation already limits the wearing of burqas and other total 
coverings on public transport or in schools.
  France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state 
schools while discussion in Britain centers on limiting the full facial veil, 
or niqab.
  Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an 
anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be 
enforced against veiled Muslim women.
  The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands 
wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything 
but the eyes.
  Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 
million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they 
approve of burqas or not.
  "This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa 
as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green 
Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan 
community.
  Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools 
and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should 
not expect welfare benefits.
  "From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very 
bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better," he told foreign 
journalists.
  "But actually hardly anybody wears one ... The fuss is much bigger than the 
number of people concerned."   Since the murder of anti-immigration maverick 
Pim Fortuyn in 2002, the Dutch have lost a reputation for tolerance, pushing 
through some of Europe's toughest entry and integration laws.   Social and 
religious tensions have escalated in the last few years, exacerbated by the 
murder of film director and Islam critic Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan 
militant in 2004.   (Additional reporting by Emma Thomasson) 


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