Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Uttam: I perhaps understood your figure of speech, because, when I was referring to the first hand experience, I was mentioning your involvement with the children in the periphery of Guwahati. You know the necessity, you know the real face of India and I was just hinting at you that your experience and your figure of speech did not match. Anyway, I think it clears the mess. If you say so! But I don't necessarily agree with it, as I know, Assam has very poor and very rich people. She has those children that need help with the minimum necessities, and at the same time, those with lakhs of rupees. I know of people spending at least 10 lakhs in their daughter's wedding. So my point was, how is 10/14/17 (different figure in each different news clips) lakhs a big amount? I apologize if I gave the impression that I think that every one in Assam is a Lakh-poti. Also, if a government agency (a corrupted one, if I may say, as I read it in so many places) is against a person, there is a possibility that anything is possible. About his involvement with the murder case, I read that a suspect that was interrogated before, was close to his brother. So I don't exactly know what is the case. As I said I haven't seen/met him for 25+ years, or haven't lived in Assam for more than two decades to know everything. :) But about the other things are from one side only, a powerful one, that is. Many questions come into mind. Like, why would he call someone from Kolkata to Delhi, and not to Guwahati, if at all, he is the one who called. And until we know the truth, I would still go by the saying: Two sides to every coin and every story. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:39:35 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo I wrote a mail for you that would not go. So, saved it to a file. Here it is: Alpana Biadeo I perhaps understood your figure of speech, because, when I was referring to the first hand experience, I was mentioning your involvement with the children in the periphery of Guwahati. You know the necessity, you know the real face of India and I was just hinting at you that your experience and your figure of speech did not match. Anyway, I think it clears the mess. Baideo, he was raided by the CBI, a police organisation. Because, he has been named in a murder case. After his alleged attempt at bribing the police officer of the CBI, he has been accused of some more culpable actions including those under the Prevention of Corruption Act. So, for investigation of crimes under the Penal Code as well as under the anti-gratft Act, the Police may conduct search and seizure called raid. Financial Corruption would point towards black money and the crime he has been accused of may well involve smuggling of the murder weapon. now, it is my turn for a figure of speech:-) Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation, C'da. I just hope that Assam becomes a corruption-free state soon. All that are suspected of killing (including those that are suspected of the secret killing incidents in Assam), all corrupted - engineers, doctors, professors, inisters, police and CBI officers, politicians - all go to prison if/after proven guilty. But would they? Only time would tell. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:45:40 -0500 To: assam@assamnet.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Hi A: Allow me to chime in here: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! *** You seem to be under the impression that only smugglers' or drug dealers' or mega-tax evaders' houses are RAIDED by desi-police/military. It so happens, that they do so, almost whenever they want to, because the police get their warrants for the asking and the military has the open-season, particularly in Assam and that comes with AFSPA. BTW, as long as there are conscientious and competent judicial oversight, there is nothing wrong in searching a residence for evidence . It is a critical tool for investigative agencies. It is warrantless search , seizure, mayhem and meting out of summary justice that is unacceptable in a civilized society. And in this case, we don't know whether a search warrant was issued or by whom. A reporter knowledgeable about such fundamental rights of a citizen would have queried about that. But that maybe rarer than a 'porbotor kaaso-koni' in Dilli or Guwahati. c-da When I said people talk in crores, I thought you would understand that it was a relative term, was a figure
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Alpana Baideo You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ripuns house raided Why? He might have hidden more money there to bribe another honest CBI officer who can predict what is going to happen in a future meeting? By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, June 4 Officials of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) today raided the residence of Ripun Bora in the Bhagadattapur area of Guwahati. Official sources said that the raid was conducted this evening by officials of the Guwahati unit of the CBI after receiving instructions from its Delhi office.The CBI also sealed the rented house of journalist Mukul Pathak in the South Sarania area of the city. In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. _ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Hi Uttam: You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. That makes it even more evident (and my point clear) that somebody has 'aakhej' on him. Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! People (Yes, ordinary people like us! I am not talking about Tata, Birla, Ambani...type) in India talk in crores now, what is the big deal about this or that 14 lakhs for a minister to have in his house or in his bank? Ripun was our classmate in Gauhati University, haven't met him for about 25+ years, but was a simple and compassionate young man then. Our other classmates now tell us that he is a politician alright, but comparatively a good one who has done good for many poor. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:41:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ripun’s house raided Why? He might have hidden more money there to bribe another honest CBI officer who can predict what is going to happen in a future meeting?By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, June 4 – Officials of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) today raided the residence of Ripun Bora in the Bhagadattapur area of Guwahati. Official sources said that the raid was conducted this evening by officials of the Guwahati unit of the CBI after receiving instructions from its Delhi office.The CBI also sealed the rented house of journalist Mukul Pathak in the South Sarania area of the city. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” _ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Alpana Baideo I do not know what with Rs.14 lakhs or that. But in my profession I have atleast seen scores of people ruined not only for theirs but for others corruption. At this moment, I recall one of the finest poets and a fountainhead of modern assam's poetry critics, who died under great mental agony and disillusionment for twenty long years for such a little amount that you'll take back your words. Sorry to disappoint you, there is nothing personal against Ripun Bora, but I cannot agree fully with you. That apart, about India, you can view it any way you please. I know you know better than that because of your own first hand experience. Yes, some people speak about crores, while a great many cannot count beyond three, because, beyond three it is infinity for them ( with due apologies to George Gamow). Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Uttam: You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. That makes it even more evident (and my point clear) that somebody has 'aakhej' on him. Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! People (Yes, ordinary people like us! I am not talking about Tata, Birla, Ambani...type) in India talk in crores now, what is the big deal about this or that 14 lakhs for a minister to have in his house or in his bank? Ripun was our classmate in Gauhati University, haven't met him for about 25+ years, but was a simple and compassionate young man then. Our other classmates now tell us that he is a politician alright, but comparatively a good one who has done good for many poor. In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:41:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Ripuns house raided Why? He might have hidden more money there to bribe another honest CBI officer who can predict what is going to happen in a future meeting?By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, June 4 Officials of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) today raided the residence of Ripun Bora in the Bhagadattapur area of Guwahati. Official sources said that the raid was conducted this evening by officials of the Guwahati unit of the CBI after receiving instructions from its Delhi office.The CBI also sealed the rented house of journalist Mukul Pathak in the South Sarania area of the city. In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. _ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Its easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! Group. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
When I said people talk in crores, I thought you would understand that it was a relative term, was a figure of speech, Uttam. As you said, from my first hand experience of being a person from Assam/India, I know everybody in Assam/India is not a lakh/kuti-poti. But some definitely are. And definitely, none in my family. And as I understood from your mail, you took my words out of context. I do not belong to the group who would say: Let them eat cake, if there is no bread, that is. lol Scarcity of wealth - I may even add, I see poverty all over the place - in my own people - in Assam, in Chennai and everywhere else in India. In fact, sometimes I feel everybody except my relatives, have money there. I do not need to learn anything new about a family of 5 living/surviving/managing in less than Rs. 5000/ in Assam/India - TODAY. I am talking about middle class people like us now, and I am fully aware of people living in less than that amount. But that is a different issue altogether. We are not talking about the mass population but are talking about a minister here. My main question still stands: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:01:30 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo I do not know what with Rs.14 lakhs or that. But in my profession I have atleast seen scores of people ruined not only for theirs but for others corruption. At this moment, I recall one of the finest poets and a fountainhead of modern assam's poetry critics, who died under great mental agony and disillusionment for twenty long years for such a little amount that you'll take back your words. Sorry to disappoint you, there is nothing personal against Ripun Bora, but I cannot agree fully with you. That apart, about India, you can view it any way you please. I know you know better than that because of your own first hand experience. Yes, some people speak about crores, while a great many cannot count beyond three, because, beyond three it is infinity for them ( with due apologies to George Gamow). Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Uttam: You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. That makes it even more evident (and my point clear) that somebody has 'aakhej' on him. Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! People (Yes, ordinary people like us! I am not talking about Tata, Birla, Ambani...type) in India talk in crores now, what is the big deal about this or that 14 lakhs for a minister to have in his house or in his bank? Ripun was our classmate in Gauhati University, haven't met him for about 25+ years, but was a simple and compassionate young man then. Our other classmates now tell us that he is a politician alright, but comparatively a good one who has done good for many poor. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:41:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Ripun’s house raided Why? He might have hidden more money there to bribe another honest CBI officer who can predict what is going to happen in a future meeting?By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, June 4 – Officials of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) today raided the residence of Ripun Bora in the Bhagadattapur area of Guwahati. Official sources said that the raid was conducted this evening by officials of the Guwahati unit of the CBI after receiving instructions from its Delhi office.The CBI also sealed the rented house of journalist Mukul Pathak in the South Sarania area of the city. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” _ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Hi A: Allow me to chime in here: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! *** You seem to be under the impression that only smugglers' or drug dealers' or mega-tax evaders' houses are RAIDED by desi-police/military. It so happens, that they do so, almost whenever they want to, because the police get their warrants for the asking and the military has the open-season, particularly in Assam and that comes with AFSPA. BTW, as long as there are conscientious and competent judicial oversight, there is nothing wrong in searching a residence for evidence . It is a critical tool for investigative agencies. It is warrantless search , seizure, mayhem and meting out of summary justice that is unacceptable in a civilized society. And in this case, we don't know whether a search warrant was issued or by whom. A reporter knowledgeable about such fundamental rights of a citizen would have queried about that. But that maybe rarer than a 'porbotor kaaso-koni' in Dilli or Guwahati. c-da When I said people talk in crores, I thought you would understand that it was a relative term, was a figure of speech, Uttam. As you said, from my first hand experience of being a person from Assam/India, I know everybody in Assam/India is not a lakh/kuti-poti. But some definitely are. And definitely, none in my family. And as I understood from your mail, you took my words out of context. I do not belong to the group who would say: Let them eat cake, if there is no bread, that is. lol Scarcity of wealth - I may even add, I see poverty all over the place - in my own people - in Assam, in Chennai and everywhere else in India. In fact, sometimes I feel everybody except my relatives, have money there. I do not need to learn anything new about a family of 5 living/surviving/managing in less than Rs. 5000/ in Assam/India - TODAY. I am talking about middle class people like us now, and I am fully aware of people living in less than that amount. But that is a different issue altogether. We are not talking about the mass population but are talking about a minister here. My main question still stands: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:01:30 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo I do not know what with Rs.14 lakhs or that. But in my profession I have atleast seen scores of people ruined not only for theirs but for others corruption. At this moment, I recall one of the finest poets and a fountainhead of modern assam's poetry critics, who died under great mental agony and disillusionment for twenty long years for such a little amount that you'll take back your words. Sorry to disappoint you, there is nothing personal against Ripun Bora, but I cannot agree fully with you. That apart, about India, you can view it any way you please. I know you know better than that because of your own first hand experience. Yes, some people speak about crores, while a great many cannot count beyond three, because, beyond three it is infinity for them ( with due apologies to George Gamow). Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Uttam: You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. That makes it even more evident (and my point clear) that somebody has 'aakhej' on him. Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! People (Yes, ordinary people like us! I am not talking about Tata, Birla, Ambani...type) in India talk in crores now, what is the big deal about this or that 14 lakhs for a minister to have in his house or in his bank? Ripun was our classmate in Gauhati University, haven't met him for about 25+ years, but was a simple and compassionate young man then. Our other classmates now tell us that he is a politician alright, but comparatively a good one who has done good for many poor. In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:41:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Ripun's house raided Why? He might have hidden more money
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Thanks for the explanation, C'da. I just hope that Assam becomes a corruption-free state soon. All that are suspected of killing (including those that are suspected of the secret killing incidents in Assam), all corrupted - engineers, doctors, professors, inisters, police and CBI officers, politicians - all go to prison if/after proven guilty. But would they? Only time would tell. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:45:40 -0500 To: assam@assamnet.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Hi A: Allow me to chime in here: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! *** You seem to be under the impression that only smugglers' or drug dealers' or mega-tax evaders' houses are RAIDED by desi-police/military. It so happens, that they do so, almost whenever they want to, because the police get their warrants for the asking and the military has the open-season, particularly in Assam and that comes with AFSPA. BTW, as long as there are conscientious and competent judicial oversight, there is nothing wrong in searching a residence for evidence . It is a critical tool for investigative agencies. It is warrantless search , seizure, mayhem and meting out of summary justice that is unacceptable in a civilized society. And in this case, we don't know whether a search warrant was issued or by whom. A reporter knowledgeable about such fundamental rights of a citizen would have queried about that. But that maybe rarer than a 'porbotor kaaso-koni' in Dilli or Guwahati. c-da When I said people talk in crores, I thought you would understand that it was a relative term, was a figure of speech, Uttam. As you said, from my first hand experience of being a person from Assam/India, I know everybody in Assam/India is not a lakh/kuti-poti. But some definitely are. And definitely, none in my family. And as I understood from your mail, you took my words out of context. I do not belong to the group who would say: Let them eat cake, if there is no bread, that is. lol Scarcity of wealth - I may even add, I see poverty all over the place - in my own people - in Assam, in Chennai and everywhere else in India. In fact, sometimes I feel everybody except my relatives, have money there. I do not need to learn anything new about a family of 5 living/surviving/managing in less than Rs. 5000/ in Assam/India - TODAY. I am talking about middle class people like us now, and I am fully aware of people living in less than that amount. But that is a different issue altogether. We are not talking about the mass population but are talking about a minister here. My main question still stands:Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:01:30 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo I do not know what with Rs.14 lakhs or that. But in my profession I have atleast seen scores of people ruined not only for theirs but for others corruption. At this moment, I recall one of the finest poets and a fountainhead of modern assam's poetry critics, who died under great mental agony and disillusionment for twenty long years for such a little amount that you'll take back your words. Sorry to disappoint you, there is nothing personal against Ripun Bora, but I cannot agree fully with you. That apart, about India, you can view it any way you please. I know you know better than that because of your own first hand experience. Yes, some people speak about crores, while a great many cannot count beyond three, because, beyond three it is infinity for them ( with due apologies to George Gamow). Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Uttam: You have missed another report. A raid in his house at Basant Kunj, Delhi, has yielded another Rs.14 lakh. It is however not known whether the source of such money is disclosed for the purposes of the relevant laws. That makes it even more evident (and my point clear) that somebody has 'aakhej' on him. Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! People (Yes, ordinary people like us! I am not talking about Tata, Birla, Ambani...type) in India talk in crores now, what is the big deal about this or that 14 lakhs for a minister to have in his house or in his bank? Ripun was our classmate
Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune
Alpana Baideo I wrote a mail for you that would not go. So, saved it to a file. Here it is: Alpana Biadeo I perhaps understood your figure of speech, because, when I was referring to the first hand experience, I was mentioning your involvement with the children in the periphery of Guwahati. You know the necessity, you know the real face of India and I was just hinting at you that your experience and your figure of speech did not match. Anyway, I think it clears the mess. Baideo, he was raided by the CBI, a police organisation. Because, he has been named in a murder case. After his alleged attempt at bribing the police officer of the CBI, he has been accused of some more culpable actions including those under the Prevention of Corruption Act. So, for investigation of crimes under the Penal Code as well as under the anti-gratft Act, the Police may conduct search and seizure called raid. Financial Corruption would point towards black money and the crime he has been accused of may well involve smuggling of the murder weapon. now, it is my turn for a figure of speech:-) Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation, C'da. I just hope that Assam becomes a corruption-free state soon. All that are suspected of killing (including those that are suspected of the secret killing incidents in Assam), all corrupted - engineers, doctors, professors, inisters, police and CBI officers, politicians - all go to prison if/after proven guilty. But would they? Only time would tell. In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:45:40 -0500 To: assam@assamnet.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Hi A: Allow me to chime in here: Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! *** You seem to be under the impression that only smugglers' or drug dealers' or mega-tax evaders' houses are RAIDED by desi-police/military. It so happens, that they do so, almost whenever they want to, because the police get their warrants for the asking and the military has the open-season, particularly in Assam and that comes with AFSPA. BTW, as long as there are conscientious and competent judicial oversight, there is nothing wrong in searching a residence for evidence . It is a critical tool for investigative agencies. It is warrantless search , seizure, mayhem and meting out of summary justice that is unacceptable in a civilized society. And in this case, we don't know whether a search warrant was issued or by whom. A reporter knowledgeable about such fundamental rights of a citizen would have queried about that. But that maybe rarer than a 'porbotor kaaso-koni' in Dilli or Guwahati. c-da When I said people talk in crores, I thought you would understand that it was a relative term, was a figure of speech, Uttam. As you said, from my first hand experience of being a person from Assam/India, I know everybody in Assam/India is not a lakh/kuti-poti. But some definitely are. And definitely, none in my family. And as I understood from your mail, you took my words out of context. I do not belong to the group who would say: Let them eat cake, if there is no bread, that is. lol Scarcity of wealth - I may even add, I see poverty all over the place - in my own people - in Assam, in Chennai and everywhere else in India. In fact, sometimes I feel everybody except my relatives, have money there. I do not need to learn anything new about a family of 5 living/surviving/managing in less than Rs. 5000/ in Assam/India - TODAY. I am talking about middle class people like us now, and I am fully aware of people living in less than that amount. But that is a different issue altogether. We are not talking about the mass population but are talking about a minister here. My main question still stands:Why are they raiding his house? He was not charged with smuggling drugs or for having black money!! In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:01:30 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From the Assam Tribune Alpana Baideo I do not know what with Rs.14 lakhs or that. But in my profession I have atleast seen scores of people ruined not only for theirs but for others corruption. At this moment, I recall one of the finest poets and a fountainhead of modern assam's poetry critics, who died under great mental agony and disillusionment for twenty long years for such a little amount that you'll take back your words. Sorry to disappoint you, there is nothing personal against Ripun Bora, but I cannot agree fully with you. That apart
Re: [Assam] From The Assam Tribune Editorial: A relook at Assam's per capita income
Good observation by Mr Das and that he had warned the state govt long ago but no steps were taken and economy continued to slide - however I wonder what did he do - while he was the head of the state (CS). What he says about reform measures is likely useful -- but if we compare Assam with Gujarat, Punjab and Maharashtra as he has done -- we will see that Gujarat has the highest level of cooperative system in India. The people there are very good and doing things in forms of cooperatives - Lijjat Papad and Amul Dairy being the most famos examples. Maharashtra too has a great community spirit - so initiatives have broad based support. Punjab and Southern states have same spirit - South came up after Anna Durai etc if I remember correctly - with even less fertile land and widespread poverty.UmeshRini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Assam Tribune Guwahati, Tuesday, November 22, 2005 EDITORIAL A relook at Assams per capita income H N Das While preparing the Seventh Five Year Plan (1985-90) as the Government of Assams Planning and Development Commissioner I had made extensive research into the behaviour of the time series of per capita income and reworked the figures to find that we were better off in 1950 than in 1984 in comparative terms in relation to all India and other State indexes. This conclusion was published in an article in the issue of the Economic Times dated October 23, 1985. Since then this fact has been publicised by various politicians, economists and others over and over again in various forums. After my retirement in 1995 I made another study of the situation with 1970-71 price index as the base. But I came to the same conclusion that Assam was comparatively better off 40 years earlier. The current figures available on this subject would warrant a relook at the situation during the past one decade with the 1993-94 price index as the base. The published figures show that while the all India average per capita income (PCI) was Rs 7690 in 1993-94, Assams figure was Rs 5715, that of Punjab was Rs 12,710 and of Maharashtra Rs 12183. The small States of Chandigarh, Delhi and Goa were far better off. But these States cannot be compared with the bigger States among which Punjab and Maharashtra were better off than the rest. In 2003-04, that is eleven years, at constant 1993-94 prices the figures stood at Rs 11,799 all India. Rs 6,520 Assam, Rs 15,800 Punjab and Rs 16,479 Maharashtra. This means that while the all India PCI increased by Rs 4,109 Assams PCI increased by only Rs 805. During the same period Maharashtras PCI increased by Rs 4,296 and Punjabs increased by Rs 3,090. The highest increase of Rs 6,983 was, however, recorded by Gujarat from Rs 9,796 in 1993-94 to Rs 16,779 in 2003-04. It is very unfortunate that Assam lagged behind so badly inspite of the fact that our politicians and planners had been properly warned about it and that the Government of India and the Planning Commission were aware of it. If we analyse the yearwise figures for Assam during this period we find that in 1994-95 the States PCI increased by only 0.4 per cent, in 1996-97 by 0.6 per cent and in 1997-98 by 0.1 per cent. Then suddently it fell by 2.3 per cent in 1998-99. That was the trough. From the next year onwards the growth rate of Assams PCI started slowly recovering. It became 2.1 per cent in 1999-2000, 2.7 per cent in 2000-01, 2.1 per cent in 2001-02, 2.6 per cent in 2002-03 and 4.8 per cent in 2003-04. There is no doubt that an improving trend has been recorded. But this is rather slow. Again, the overall PCI increase of only Rs 805 for Assam against the all India increase of Rs 4,109 during the eleven year period from 1993 to 2003 should raise alarm bells and should be seriously viewed by all concerned. This is specially important because Assams PCI in 2003-04 (Rs 6,520) is Rs 5,279 less than the all India average (Rs 11,799) and Rs 10,259 less than the highest big State PCI of Gujarat (Rs 16,779). Another indicator would show how Assam is falling behind. In 1993-94 Assams share in the aggregate Indian State domestic product at constant 1993-94 price was 1.93 per cent. By 2003-04 it fell to 1.40 per cent. This is really unfortunate to put it mildly. Seen against the fact that Assam has 2.59 per cent of Indias population this looks absolutely dismal. Something drastic, something revolutionary needs to be done in order to reverse this trend. And this must be done quickly. The government should focus on a development strategy with maximum emphasis on agriculture and rural development. Since 70 per cent of Assams population depend upon agriculture and since the primary sector contributes 38.69 per cent of Assams State domestic product constant at 1993-94 prices it is obvious that agriculture must be given its due importance. In this context the recent fall in production and productivity of the main grains is rather discouraging.
Re: [Assam] From The Assam Tribune Editorial: A relook at Assam'sper capita income
Umesh: You mean to say these are happening in spite of the dysfunctional GOI? It cannot be true, because this is not happening in Assam exactly because of GOI. The GOI must be playing tricks on Assam. Get rid of GOI so that Assam can be free of corruption and can make real economical and industrial progres. Please revise your comments accordingly. Don't you see we are fighting an war for our independence. Please don't try to divert the issue. RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Rini Kakati ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From The Assam Tribune Editorial: A relook at Assam'sper capita income Good observation by Mr Das and that he had warned the state govt long ago but no steps were taken and economy continued to slide - however I wonder what did he do - while he was the head of the state (CS). What he says about reform measures is likely useful -- but if we compare Assam with Gujarat, Punjab and Maharashtra as he has done -- we will see that Gujarat has the highest level of cooperative system in India. The people there are very good and doing things in forms of cooperatives - Lijjat Papad and Amul Dairy being the most famos examples. Maharashtra too has a great community spirit - so initiatives have broad based support. Punjab and Southern states have same spirit - South came up after Anna Durai etc if I remember correctly - with even less fertile land and widespread poverty. UmeshRini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Assam Tribune Guwahati, Tuesday, November 22, 2005 EDITORIAL A relook at Assams per capita income H N Das While preparing the Seventh Five Year Plan (1985-90) as the Government of Assams Planning and Development Commissioner I had made extensive research into the behaviour of the time series of per capita income and reworked the figures to find that we were better off in 1950 than in 1984 in comparative terms in relation to all India and other State indexes. This conclusion was published in an article in the issue of the Economic Times dated October 23, 1985. Since then this fact has been publicised by various politicians, economists and others over and over again in various forums. After my retirement in 1995 I made another study of the situation with 1970-71 price index as the base. But I came to the same conclusion that Assam was comparatively better off 40 years earlier. The current figures available on this subject would warrant a relook at the situation during the past one decade with the 1993-94 price index as the base. The published figures show that while the all India average per capita income (PCI) was Rs 7690 in 1993-94, Assams figure was Rs 5715, that of Punjab was Rs 12,710 and of Maharashtra Rs 12183. The small States of Chandigarh, Delhi and Goa were far better off. But these States cannot be compared with the bigger States among which Punjab and Maharashtra were better off than the rest. In 2003-04, that is eleven years, at constant 1993-94 prices the figures stood at Rs 11,799 all India. Rs 6,520 Assam, Rs 15,800 Punjab and Rs 16,479 Maharashtra. This means that while the all India PCI increased by Rs 4,109 Assams PCI increased by only Rs 805. During the same period Maharashtras PCI increased by Rs 4,296 and Punjabs increased by Rs 3,090. The highest increase of Rs 6,983 was, however, recorded by Gujarat from Rs 9,796 in 1993-94 to Rs 16,779 in 2003-04. It is very unfortunate that Assam lagged behind so badly inspite of the fact that our politicians and planners had been properly warned about it and that the Government of India and the Planning Commission were aware of it. If we analyse the yearwise figures for Assam during this period we find that in 1994-95 the States PCI increased by only 0.4 per cent, in 1996-97 by 0.6 per cent and in 1997-98 by 0.1 per cent. Then suddently it fell by 2.3 per cent in 1998-99. That was the trough. From the next year onwards the growth rate of Assams PCI started slowly recovering. It became 2.1 per cent in 1999-2000, 2.7 per cent in 2000-01, 2.1 per cent in 2001-02, 2.6 per cent in 2002-03 and 4.8 per cent in 2003-04. There is no doubt that an improving trend has been recorded. But this is rather slow. Again, the overall PCI increase of only Rs 805 for Assam against the all India increase of Rs 4,109 during the eleven year period from 1993 to 2003 should raise alarm bells and should be seriously viewed by all concerned. This is specially important because Assams PCI in 2003-04 (Rs 6,520) is Rs 5,279 less than the all India average (Rs 11,799) and Rs 10,259
